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Sunday, October 18, 2020

The journey sans ticket

A number of people have commented upon something I said in a recent Darkstream concerning what I perceive as the intrinsic advantage of understanding and accepting that you have no chance at being allowed the opportunities that are routinely offered to those who are less talented and less intelligent, but more morally flexible than you. Whether you find this comforting or depressing is entirely up to you.

YOU HAVE NO CHANCE

If you are a good person, if you are a moral person, if you are a Christian, you are not going to be allowed to succeed in the system past a certain level. It’s just not going to happen. But it’s very, very freeing to know this. You’re not going to get the scholarship. You’re probably not going to get the acceptance letter. You’re not going to get the interview. So, this means you have the imperative to go out and make things happen on your own. 

Because here’s the magical thing about it. They can’t create. They cannot create things that are good, beautiful and true. They’re predators and parasites. And so, there’s always going to be a certain amount of room that is granted to people that just do their own thing, or for people who just work outside the system, because that’s where the positive change – the necessary positive change – is going to happen.

What we’re dealing with here is a society that is run by the wicked and is run by the hedonists…and so, you can save a lot of time. The beauty of this is that by knowing that you have no chance to succeed within the system, you can give yourself the opportunity to succeed without it. And the fact that you are never going to be given that handout, the fact that you’re never going to be given that fake, easy, pseudo-success, means the success that you achieve will be real. You’ll never have that impostor syndrome that they’re always talking about.

And so, you have no chance to succeed in the realm of the wicked, but that knowledge frees you to pursue genuine, meaningful and lasting success by pursuing the good, the beautiful and the true.

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75 Comments:

Blogger Randomatos October 18, 2020 11:05 AM  

This is one of those hard but necessary lessons for junior NCOs.

Blogger tweell October 18, 2020 11:13 AM  

Tolkien expressed it beautifully in allegory when Frodo offers the Ring to Galadriel.

“And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!”

She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.

“I pass the test”, she said. “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.”

The Ring inevitably destroys those who wield it, turning them into servants of Sauron. The ticket inevitably destroys those who take it, turning them into servants of Satan.

Anonymous Anonymous October 18, 2020 11:15 AM  

This might be the single most important post you’ve ever created.

Blogger Zundfolge October 18, 2020 11:26 AM  

This is in line with the idea that the real "white privilege" is that us whites can't blame our problems on nefarious external forces so we end up forced to solve our own problems and that makes us better.

Blogger Silent Draco October 18, 2020 11:27 AM  

Outside the system, if I read correctly, is where we create greater works in Truth, Beauty, and Goodness for our families and our allies; this is not shared with the hedonists. Takes a little more effort to do this, but it's far more satisfying. And when they threaten to take everything and officially ruin you, this isn't in the system and they may not be aware of how much is sequestered.

Blogger The Masked Menace October 18, 2020 11:31 AM  

Over two decades ago when I was a young man I questioned my chosen career in business. I had a love for history and had considered being a history teacher when in college. So I scheduled a meeting with the head of the history department of a nearby university to discuss their program. During the course of the interview the professor suddenly asked me what church I attended. I told him. He then excused himself and told me he'd be right back. After fifteen minutes or so I finally realized he wasn't coming back and left.

Reflecting upon it now I think he did me a favor. Since then I've learned that most of what we call history is simply narrative anyway.

Blogger maniacprovost October 18, 2020 11:35 AM  

The downside is that there is a sort of natural monopoly to the social network hierarchy. It's hard to create something like, say, a 3D printer in a garage with zero network.

The opportunities are just harder to get, not impossible to get.

Blogger buzzardist October 18, 2020 11:35 AM  

Most people are nonetheless tricked into thinking they have a chance. It’s sold to us through the culture. Small chances are dangled before us as bait. It’s enough to convince most to keep chasing the chance.

We chase that chance, and then, eventually, the test comes. Will you bend? Will you bend your morals? Will you bend the knee? Will you take the ticket? If you do, you’re locked in. If you don’t, you’re locked out.

“You don’t have a chance” is such an important message to people at any age, but especially to the young. Learn this when you are still a teenager, and your life can be vastly freer and more productive.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 18, 2020 11:37 AM  

Now I just have figure out how to turn this into the full time college teaching gig I've been trying to land for 20 years now.
Can't seem to get past the gatekeepers, so where is the back door in?

Blogger Quartermain October 18, 2020 11:48 AM  

Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people":

First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.

Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.

The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.

Blogger James Dixon October 18, 2020 11:48 AM  

> If you are a good person, if you are a moral person, if you are a Christian, you are not going to be allowed to succeed in the system past a certain level.

And yet, if you merely ask, the path you need to follow to do the things God wishes of you will be revealed. Never despair, with God all things are possible.

Blogger Thomas Bateman October 18, 2020 11:48 AM  

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Blogger ASH October 18, 2020 11:51 AM  

Concerned Trolls will see this as despair. But this motivates me and gives me hope.

Blogger Farwood Bear 2.0 October 18, 2020 11:55 AM  

Mark me down as someone who found this post comforting.

Blogger VD October 18, 2020 11:57 AM  

Can't seem to get past the gatekeepers, so where is the back door in?

Why are you trying to get in at all? You've got the credentials, so start an online teaching course or a local homeschool cooperative. Go direct to the customer. The whole point is to stop looking to the system for support.

Blogger Beloved October 18, 2020 12:02 PM  

Chop off your dick and tell people you're a woman. I think?

Blogger Latigo3 October 18, 2020 12:13 PM  

Thank you. You just keep to our arsenals.

Blogger Republican Mother October 18, 2020 12:29 PM  

This is one of the central ideas to my homeschool, so my kids can keep in mind how the world really works and plan their steps accordingly.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit October 18, 2020 1:00 PM  

As C.S. Lewis said: “The world does not need more Christian literature. What it needs is more Christians writing good literature.”

Or Mrs. Hoyt: Build up, build over, build around!

Those of us who can, must. And who knows? Maybe there are enough of us that the audience for the Superversive can starve the Beast.

Also: stand by those the Beast turns on, as best you can. Though admittedly, that's a much, much trickier river to navigate.

Blogger Jon P. R. October 18, 2020 1:03 PM  

Pseudotsuga wrote:Now I just have figure out how to turn this into the full time college teaching gig I've been trying to land for 20 years now.

Can't seem to get past the gatekeepers, so where is the back door in?



As Vox suggested, your best course forward is to start your own academy and offer courses online direct to students of all ages. And speaking of such a thing, I would be able to build you a platform of your own from which you could offer such courses. It'd be reliable and anti-fragile to have your own rather than to rely on one of the open platforms offered by those that hate us and love an excuse to ban our efforts. If you are interested, reply to me here and we can talk more in a more appropriate place for such a conversation.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 18, 2020 1:21 PM  

What Ricky at #3 wrote. What is sad in life is watching decent people get sucked into that conservative trap and become the Charlie Browns to the Evil Lucys of the world. "One more essay, one more appeal to our common authority and it will get better", uh no it won't.

Blogger Beau October 18, 2020 1:41 PM  

It's liberating to be outside, from the divine commission to establish the Order and build the monastery of Saint Possenti to my What-A-Hoot side-project encouraging evangelism, making micro-loans, and building an orphage in India. I couldn't do these things whle within the existing structure - but now I get to put to use knowledge and experience gained while in the structure earlier.

Don't yield to learned helplessness. Instead of being the tired old guy, after exiting six days in hospital I'm now building an orphange. That seems to me like punching well above my weight class. And the joy obtained from the side-project supplies motivation and insight for establishing the monastery.

Beloved, look up, and do it!

Blogger mickthequick1976 October 18, 2020 1:41 PM  

Better to be a real nobody than a fake somebody.

Blogger pyrrhus October 18, 2020 1:51 PM  

@2. “I pass the test”, she said. “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.”

I read this passage when I was an 18 yo college student....It had a profound effect on me then, and still does...

Blogger Long Live The West October 18, 2020 1:52 PM  

No success in the realm of evil, but to follow after God is to find success in the Kingdom of God. Don't buy into the lie that with 7 billion people you can never make a difference.

Here's another thing to keep in mind. People are desperate for leaders right now. There's a reason why Jordan Peterson became so popular for 'standing up' against the insanity. People are looking to follow someone, many times all you have to do is say yes when the opportunity arises.

Gideon never even lifted a sword in battle against the Midianites.

Blogger Timeo hominem unius libri October 18, 2020 1:53 PM  

For what profits a man if he gains the whole world but keeps his mediocrity? They are not buying freedom but a rotten cage.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 18, 2020 1:54 PM  

"So, this means you have the imperative to go out and make things happen on your own. "

So like in the past. And this makes better people in the long run.
The days of starting out at some plant pushing a broom, being the manager of it 30 years later, then retiring from the same place eventually, gold watch and all, are roughly 50 years gone. The golden age for that sort of thing was 1900 to 1970 ish.
The boomer birthright bonanza days of merely advancing by putting time in and checking off the appropriate boxes vector and end roughly by the late 1990s. I remember that it seemed around that time period such that you had to be "the right kind of person" to get the opportunity. But my scope is limited: I don't know what was going on at higher echelons beyond my reach.
So your Darkstream and apparently leg-growing words is likely touching on things that people are already having a sense for.

Already everybody who cares on political matters and money sources can't help but notice the pattern whereby there is no "patriot" or "conservative" versions of people like Gates, Buffet, Bezos, etc. At best we get someone who plays both sides or is cryptic about it, like Musk.

Looking at the people who get an easy "in", I'm glad I am not one of them. For example, being broke most of my life meant I could never hire a mechanic to fix my old broken vehicles. But I have had a lot of fun doing this stuff myself. The patchwork career life has given me skills that I use and it keeps my mind sharp. I have seen a lot of box-checking boomers whose minds were rotten and half gone by the time they reached 50 because they got the cushy office jobs all their lives.

This track of surviving without the system is not something the the system wants to hear. The premise is spot on. I hope the interest in this spawns a book or manual on the topic. If so I would be happy to donate to such an endeavor.

Blogger Riejun October 18, 2020 2:09 PM  

I wish I'd understood this many years ago... I fell into the "Charlie Brown" trap as mentioned and could never understand why "I" couldn't succeed beyond a certain point in my career... Understand, the system isn't for us.

The interesting thing is that I can't really remember, or recognize, if I was ever offered the "ticket" or through their network, they knew I wouldn't accept or they thought I wasn't worth it... I was in a couple of high-visibility assignments and did a lot of good for the people in the organization... but not a lot of good for the organization. I think I simply failed the audition.

Anyhow, best thing as many have said is to do your own thing or within a very trusted group of like minded.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam October 18, 2020 2:32 PM  

It's freeing to know. Thank you Supreme Dark Lord!

Blogger kurt9 October 18, 2020 2:42 PM  

I'm not religious. But, unfortunately, I think there is a lot of truth to this. However, I think the problem is not hedonism. Rather, it is laziness and sloth that is the problem.

Blogger Avalanche October 18, 2020 2:45 PM  

@27 " pattern whereby there is no "patriot" or "conservative" versions of people like Gates, Buffet, Bezos, etc."

While I could, and I will again when I able, I have in my discretionary spending a standard $50 a month to give to people on the Right. ({B warm G} NOT including my ongoing support to UA.TV, Arkhaven, and hoped-for future crowd funds). Neon Revolt, Jared Taylor, Judicial Watch, Gen Flynn, Paul Kersey, St Kyle of Kenosha, Randall Carlson although he's geology not politics, even Trump in 2016! It's not much --- but it's something! As long as folks on the Right keep waiting for some millionaires to help out... we're losing ground.

Didn't all-y'all's daddies tell you when you was just a yoof: "Just put away $10 a month -- no more than that -- just a mere $10 a month every single month for the rest of your life! Never stop! When it's time to retire, you'll be sitting pretty!"

{sigh} And almost none of us did. So, start now to fix our descendant's futures, if not our own.

Blogger Jack Amok October 18, 2020 2:45 PM  

This is such an important message. When you see others of less talent living in big houses, taking flashy vacations, "providing" for their wives and kids in style, and here you are, busting your ass at a job that's supposed to be in demand and well paying, but you're driving a twenty year old truck and you know your wife would like to update your thirty year old kitchen...

It can be frustrating, it can make you question what you're doing wrong. Why are those other guys doing so much better?

Well, now you know. You know you don't have to question yourself.

You’ll never have that impostor syndrome that they’re always talking about.

I remember the first time I came across this. It's started a new job at a big tech company, and after I'd been there a few months, I had a check-in with the VP who asked how I was doing and if I was struggling with any Imposter Syndrome problems.

With what? He explained it. No, not a problem. Not for me. Certainly there were a few parts of the job I was still working to figure out, but I never had any doubts I was qualified to do it.

Blogger Hammerli 280 October 18, 2020 2:48 PM  

@10: There is one force that can break the Iron Law of Bureaucracy. The Band of Brothers.

A small, highly competent team, working outside the bureaucracy, can work miracles. I've seen it. Helped DO it. Of course, the Bureaucracy often will try to strangle you for showing just how inept they really are...

Blogger Slen October 18, 2020 3:22 PM  

Congrats Vox, an impressive achievement. Well earned! I daresay I've added a few thousand of said pageviews myself; lurking here over these many years. I'd like to Thank You for helping me take stock of my life by taking heed of your various insights. I might add there is also much good counsel posted on these threads by many of your more perceptive commenters. Thanks again.

Blogger cyrus83 October 18, 2020 3:54 PM  

Evident after several years in the workforce, although I have only ever worked for small local companies. Talent and hard work can go a fair bit, but only so long as you're useful to the people really in charge. Those traits are currently useful to them in my current spot but I am quite aware that in the corporate games going on in the background, ultimately skills matter very little compared to the opinions and protection of a couple key people - who are honestly protecting their own interests first and are hardly shy about saying so. Their expectation is the money will act as a handcuff to keep me around, but as with the last job, I will put in notice in a heartbeat if lines are crossed.

I did end up with one of those full-ride scholarships many years ago, I have always kind of wondered how given no ticket was offered along the way, but it was not to a big name place.

Blogger Stryker4570 October 18, 2020 4:32 PM  

Pseudotsuga@9 You could even get a partial leg up by offering your courses on Udemy, until you can get your own platform . Avail yourself of the offer of help in the thread above by Jon P.R. I am teaching myself internet and Social Media marketing using Udemy. For less than $100 I bought several courses. Some of the guys teaching theses courses are making 5-6 figures a month.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash October 18, 2020 5:08 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:The boomer birthright bonanza days of merely advancing by putting time in and checking off the appropriate boxes vector and end roughly by the late 1990s.
It ended with the two-tier union contracts and pensions systems introduced in the late 80's to the 90's. If you were hired after X date, you don't have a pension, you have a 401K, You insurance is both more expensive and your deductible is twice as high. Your pay is 2/3 of people who were hired before X date, and you have no layoff protection. On one job, I missed it by literally 3 weeks.

Riejun wrote:The interesting thing is that I can't really remember, or recognize, if I was ever offered the "ticket" or through their network,
The ticket is always a betrayal. I was told to select one of the people int he group I managed to lay off. Rather than betray them, I took the hit myself. That was the last time I was asked to manage a group.

Blogger weka October 18, 2020 5:44 PM  

@9. If you are a researcher who has to be part of institution you will NOT, repeat, NOT, be promoted beyond Associate Professor/ Senior Lecturer. Your teaching grades will never be sufficient, and you will not get the grant money. Or join the dark side of the force (Big Pharma).

So learn how to do things with no funding. I'm energized. The research money is drying up, but I know how to produce decent bits of work on the smell of an oily rag.

Blogger RedJack October 18, 2020 6:27 PM  

Jack Amok

Funny thing about imposter syndrome. It is something I have never had. I have been competent in just about every role I have tried.

But I have seen many who are not.

We teach success like a gospel, but someone needs to teach failure. Having been offered, and rejected, the ticket, I am very glad I did. My house is old. My friends lower class. My lifestyle not one that is celebrated on TV. However I have freedom. Something most ticket holders do not. That can be cold comfort when you are young, but as I age I value the freedom to have my own friends and life more than the big house.

Blogger RedJack October 18, 2020 6:32 PM  

@9

They may be no way in. If they know what you are, they will not let you in. Go ahead and try, but remember you are going to be in a hostile camp.

Blogger Beloved October 18, 2020 7:25 PM  

@kurt9 "I'm not religious. But, unfortunately, I think there is a lot of truth to this. However, I think the problem is not hedonism. Rather, it is laziness and sloth that is the problem."

Epstein didn't kill himself.

Blogger Zaklog the Great October 18, 2020 9:20 PM  

VD wrote:Can't seem to get past the gatekeepers, so where is the back door in?

Why are you trying to get in at all? You've got the credentials, so start an online teaching course or a local homeschool cooperative. Go direct to the customer.


I'm not him, but I'd suggest part of the problem is these are two different skill sets. There are a lot of people who would be excellent teachers within a functioning system who simply lack the skills or inclinations to create a system of their own, or at least not one they could make a living off of.

Blogger Ricky Rari October 18, 2020 9:50 PM  

"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived." 2 Timothy 3:12-16

Blogger Scott October 18, 2020 10:04 PM  

"Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." I hope all you fine folks remember who said that. Good night and God bless.

Blogger Mary E. October 18, 2020 10:38 PM  

It’d be great to have a list of Unauthorized professionals who make it their business to build platforms, market online, consult, design, write, etc.

Blogger Enjcj October 18, 2020 10:59 PM  

Hm so the just of this is, live frugally. Don't rack your brain as to why you haven't succeeded further in a particular field. Have alternative niches and income streams.

Blogger sammibandit October 18, 2020 11:34 PM  

Imposter syndrome is a product of HR, disparate impact. Without HR and disparate impact there are no cases of imposter syndrome.

Heck, let them. Who needs em?

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 19, 2020 12:43 AM  

Speaking of imposter syndrome, I know a "creator" who has it. He has in his orbit a bunch of SJWs and assorted freaks. His work is, for the most part, mediocre. Not bad, but it won't make him rich. SJWs go out of their way to orbit sci-fi fantasy creators, I have observed in this case. I think he knows deep down inside these people are not real friends and the only reason why he does not get cancelled is because he occasionally pays homage to their ideals in a social media post. He is no based shitlord secretly, but he's not one of those freaks either. Frankly I think the SJWs are trying to use him. And their influence is likely the reason why his work is so bland. I think they attach themselves to amicable creators or producers because, well I guess there is never enough young people getting gayified or something, but at the same time keep them from improving.
Imagine how these people must view J.K. Rowling's realism of late as a most dark betrayal.
Ultimately, as far as who gives out the tickets, it's not these low level wokespittles. That much is certain. The order likely comes from the chutzpah filled backrooms.

Anonymous Anonymous October 19, 2020 12:44 AM  

We are in the world but we are not of the world.

And the world knows it even if we don’t.

I think about this as dealing with reality. Too many of us live on fantasies of how we want the world to be instead of dealing with it as it is.

Blogger Bezzle October 19, 2020 2:29 AM  

And so, you have no chance to succeed in the realm of the wicked, but that knowledge frees you to pursue genuine, meaningful and lasting success by pursuing the good, the beautiful and the true.


If Atlas is to succeed, he must first shrug.

Blogger Pseudotsuga October 19, 2020 3:23 AM  

Jon P. R. wrote:

As Vox suggested, your best course forward is to start your own academy and offer courses online direct to students of all ages. And speaking of such a thing, I would be able to build you a platform of your own from which you could offer such courses. It'd be reliable and anti-fragile to have your own rather than to rely on one of the open platforms offered by those that hate us and love an excuse to ban our efforts. If you are interested, reply to me here and we can talk more in a more appropriate place for such a conversation.

I am interested in learning what can be done!
How shall we proceed, then?

Blogger FisherOfMen October 19, 2020 7:04 AM  

How does Notch fit into this? Did he slip through before they realized video games were a persuasion platform that they needed to co-opt?

Blogger VD October 19, 2020 7:10 AM  

He succeeded on his own. So they bought him out ASAFP.

Blogger buzzardist October 19, 2020 8:19 AM  

There is no back door that isn’t going to leave you smelling like shit. If you couldn’t realize by the end of grad school, or after five years slogging as a part-time adjunct, or after ten years, it’s no surprise that you utterly miss Vox’s message now: You. Have. No. Chance.

That’s the job that you spent a decade in grad school expecting to land, but it’s not the job you will ever get. You remain a slave to academia as long as you keep begging for that job. You will never be free until you walk away and do something else.

Starting your own university might be unrealistic, but it’s the only way that you will get the full-time, tenure-track job that you want. More realistic is to think smaller, more agile, and more anti-fragile. If you can’t think outside the box of traditional academia, you’re never escaping the box that’s held you for the last 20+ years.

Blogger Tino October 19, 2020 10:21 AM  

I have spent some deep hours in contemplation of this post. It explains in one fell swoop several anomalies of my life. Without going into details, I have climbed to rarified heights 3 times only to be denied at the last moment for reasons that made no sense -- but do now. The most egregious example was an anti-cancer device the size of a pack of cigarettes, provably sound in technology and science, where Google Ventures, after passing us (a team of 3) thru 12 vetting steps, suddenly went radio silent, and then unceremoniously sent a letter denying interest in funding at the final moment with the absurd statement "that we were not covered by their charter". WTF!

At the time I simply assumed the tech threatened too many rice bowls. In light of the last 4 years and the post by Vox, it is much more insidious than that.

We are truly in a War of Good v Evil.

Time to utterly abandon the system to its rot, and create the new, outside of it as a full bypass.

Blogger WT874 October 19, 2020 11:16 AM  

Your description of how status and employment advancement work is accurate in my opinion. The only thing I am surprised about is how so many people are still out there who haven't woke up to it yet. Pizzagate isn't just about sickos getting their jollies off, its about assured loyalty to the network. If you aren't a sicko who can be controlled, you aren't going to be allowed anywhere near a position of power and influence.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 19, 2020 1:04 PM  

@47 sammibandit:

Imposter syndrome is a product of HR, disparate impact. Without HR and disparate impact there are no cases of imposter syndrome.

An interesting idea, but it doesn't directly explain how impostor syndrome is a big problem for a lot of MIT undergraduates, and has been so at least since the early 1980s. Don't think disparate impact has a role, MIT can't afford to admit minorities who can't do the work, and through self-selection doesn't have a problem offering admittance to ones who can do the work. Never met one of those who was I was sure was super brilliant, more like solid, middle of the pack for MIT. HR as such can't be in play.

I do have a reliable report it's gotten worse since the 1980s in one large population of engineering students.

Blogger Jon P. R. October 19, 2020 1:45 PM  

Pseudotsuga wrote:I am interested in learning what can be done!

How shall we proceed, then?


I posted a comment on your blog with an email to contact me at.

VD: "He succeeded on his own. So they bought him out ASAFP."

That's absolutely the case. Never seen so much money thrown at an indie game before or since.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 19, 2020 2:22 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:An interesting idea, but it doesn't directly explain how impostor syndrome is a big problem for a lot of MIT undergraduates, and has been so at least since the early 1980s.
When you are little, Daddy magically knows how to solve problems. When you're little, you assume that you will magically know how to solve problems when you grow up.

When you get older, part of growing up is learning that solving problems isn't magic, it's hard and uncertain work and sometimes there aren't good solutions and you have to shield your dependents from the bad solutions, which looks like magic to the children.

When you get older without growing up, you keep waiting for the magic, and you get imposter syndrome.

Blogger Balam October 19, 2020 3:10 PM  

I just got denied a grant to reverse desertification in the biggest hellholes in CA and immediately thought of this post. I'll be going full steam into getting us Agra loans to get an undervalued property and do it myself instead. Thank you Vox because you led me to David the Good which has led to my own attempt to make a permaculture of my own.

Blogger Jon P. R. October 19, 2020 4:52 PM  

Balam wrote:I'll be going full steam into getting us Agra loans to get an undervalued property and do it myself instead.

damn, godspeed to you! that state is lucky to have someone such as yourself, even if they never know it or appreciate your work. i hope you are able to do some good there!

Blogger RedJack October 19, 2020 7:49 PM  

But why? I didn't go to MIT, but a good State (and not in English as our host pointed out). I have been an engineer in many dissimilar industries and have never felt like an imposter. Confused that they put a chemical engineer in charge of automation? Yeah, but I knew I didn't know anything and developed a good bot.

Perhaps it is because I have failed and succeeded enough that neither is a mystery. Doing the "impossible " a few times, and seeing a sure thing explored in a ball of flame, I have few illusions to my supremacy or incompetence

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 19, 2020 10:01 PM  

@59 Ominous Cowherd

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:

An interesting idea, but it doesn't directly explain how impostor syndrome is a big problem for a lot of MIT undergraduates, and has been so at least since the early 1980s.

When you are little, Daddy magically knows how to solve problems. When you're little, you assume that you will magically know how to solve problems when you grow up.

When you get older, part of growing up is learning that solving problems isn't magic, it's hard and uncertain work and sometimes there aren't good solutions and you have to shield your dependents from the bad solutions, which looks like magic to the children.

When you get older without growing up, you keep waiting for the magic, and you get imposter syndrome.


"Impostor syndrome (also known as impostor phenomenon, impostorism, fraud syndrome or the impostor experience) is a psychological pattern in which an individual doubts their skills, talents or accomplishments and has a persistent internalized fear of being exposed as a "fraud". Despite external evidence of their competence...." (Wikipedia, accurately.)

These are people who've been admitted to and are successful, at MIT as undergraduates, and then in the real world. For some reason I was never able to understand, they refuse to believe in their success. They can for example be successful in writing or modifying computer programs of significant complexity, but don't believe they are capable programmers. I can go on and on....

@62 RedJack

But why?

That's the 64 million dollar question. The people I knew were familiar with both failure and success, generally success, were quite successful in the real world ... cognitive psychology would say they have mental filters which prevent them from seeing, from internalizing their successes. When put in situations they were not exactly qualified for, like you the ChemE in charge of automation, they'd adapt, learn and solve the problems they were given. They just can't give themselves the credit they deserve.

Blogger SpiralArray October 20, 2020 12:46 AM  

Vox is certainly correct. As a young man I saw that the liars and cheaters had a distinct advantage. But to really get ahead you've got to use betrayal, now you're getting somewhere! Wasn't my style though, thank God my parents instilled old fashioned values in me.

If you pay your bills, provide for your family, treat your loved with respect, then you can hold your head high. You can feel a genuine sense of pride that's lost on many. I like that feeling.

Blogger Johnny October 20, 2020 3:07 AM  

>Because here’s the magical thing about it. They can’t create. They cannot create things that are good, beautiful and true. They’re predators and parasites.

I've heard this a lot, but how true is it? Maybe I'm just broken by modern media, but sometimes I feel as though stories with some subversion and a tad bit of degeneracy are more entertaining. Could things really be better if we returned to PG-rated classics? Wouldn't it get stale, predictable, and boring? And by what specific standards can we judge legitimate quality of work to say that "good, beautiful, and true" aligned media is better?

Blogger 23pairs October 20, 2020 7:47 AM  

Jon P. R. wrote:Pseudotsuga wrote:I am interested in learning what can be done!

How shall we proceed, then?


I posted a comment on your blog with an email to contact me at.

VD: "He succeeded on his own. So they bought him out ASAFP."

That's absolutely the case. Never seen so much money thrown at an indie game before or since.


Jon P. R., applications in Health for what you developed? iugum at outlook DOT com

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 20, 2020 12:41 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:When put in situations they were not exactly qualified for, like you the ChemE in charge of automation, they'd adapt, learn and solve the problems they were given. They just can't give themselves the credit they deserve.
They think it's supposed to be easy. It's never easy. They're obviously imposters, therefore.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling October 20, 2020 1:26 PM  

@67 Ominous Cowherd:

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:

When put in situations they were not exactly qualified for, like you the ChemE in charge of automation, they'd adapt, learn and solve the problems they were given. They just can't give themselves the credit they deserve.

They think it's supposed to be easy. It's never easy. They're obviously imposters, therefore.


In my experience with MIT students and alums, it would more likely be the opposite. Stuff that's supposed to be hard, that is hard or impossible for most people, they find easy. And for many of them, its been that way all their life, since until they arrived at MIT they weren't surrounded by people even smarter than VD and myself. So that could be part of it, part of their feeling like they're a fraud.

Do you know anyone with impostor syndrome as it's commonly defined (see above)? I think you're labeling something else as it.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope October 20, 2020 3:24 PM  

Or in my case, find a way to statistically justify removing research results that will make the international brand names product show a superior result over the competing product.

Got a demotion over that one, which led to finding a far superior career in another industry.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 20, 2020 6:19 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:In my experience with MIT students and alums, it would more likely be the opposite. Stuff that's supposed to be hard, that is hard or impossible for most people, they find easy. And for many of them, its been that way all their life, since until they arrived at MIT they weren't surrounded by people even smarter than VD and myself. So that could be part of it, part of their feeling like they're a fraud.
School is easy, but the real world is different, with a lot more uncertainty, a lot more reason to second guess yourself. If you expected that when you grew up or graduated you would be anointed by the Good Ideas Fairy and always know the exact right thing to do, that uncertainty is going to be a problem.

Blogger Jon P. R. October 20, 2020 6:43 PM  

23pairs wrote:applications in Health for what you developed?

check your inbox, I have sent you an email, and we can discuss more there rather than clog up things here. a comment section isn't the appropriate place for that, obviously.

Johnny wrote:Maybe I'm just broken by modern media, but sometimes I feel as though stories with some subversion and a tad bit of degeneracy are more entertaining. Could things really be better if we returned to PG-rated classics?

I'd say you possibly are "broken" to some extent by the media that has flooded out over the last century, but also, it is possible you feel this way due to lack of exposure to anything but whatever the hellmouth has put out there.

the hellmouth indeed does not create. they merely copy, adapt, and steal ideas from those with enough of a link to the creative spirit they are able to create themselves. it takes effort to find such creations. whereas, if you merely take a drive you will see billboards, or if you read you will see ads, or if you turn on the tele or watch trending youtube videos you will see more ads. so, passive consumption is easily diverted to the sorts of degenerative and degenerating content the hellmouth produces. we all swim in it so much it's like dfw's related parable about adolescent fish not recognizing the existence or concept of the water they are surrounded by.

i'm very much happy to see, and i am motivated by, the efforts by vox and owen and the other content creators in their efforts with uatv. there are others doing their own platforms as well, too. hopefully, the future brings even more, and the way i see the trends pointing is that direction as more and more creators realize they must move there to ensure an antifragile business model to support their efforts and work producing their content.

it's already too risky and far too fragile to rely solely on the open platforms and their whims as the means of building and reaching an audience when any moment they can pull the plug and wash away the work a creator has done. any creator who takes the creation and production of their content seriously or who relies on revenue from putting it out for consumption needs to accept this is the way things are and rush to establish a backup plan or move over completely and shutter their use of the open platform offerings.

it will take more time for this to occur to the majority who assume falsely they will be spared and left alone. however, regardless the intentions of the owners of an open platform, even if they truly seek to treat creators and their users fairly, the whole structure of such an open platform is doomed to failure and cannot provide an antifragile place for any creator.

any open platform must moderate content to some extent to guard against people posting evil things such as cp or some awful person streaming heinous acts such as that moron in new zealand. and as an open platform grows to the size necessary to maintain themselves monetarily, they must rely on automated censoring and user reports for banning and removal of content and creators--unable to avoid hitting creators and content undeserving of such actions.

privately owned platforms, either for individual creators or for groups of them as uatv has done, is the only true antifragile way forward.

Blogger Jon P. R. October 21, 2020 2:06 AM  

Mary E. wrote:It’d be great to have a list of Unauthorized professionals who make it their business to build platforms, market online, consult, design, write, etc.

i will assume ignorance on your part for recommending this. you realize the people who build platforms for such banned individuals take great pains to hide their identities or face backlash themselves and lose their own access to social media accounts or even their day jobs? i know one example where a dev of such a product lost access to fb only for involvement with a platform and due to that lost many pictures that only existed on fb.

a list of such names is not needed for those who need access to them really, ask around. it would only serve as an easy source of targets for the loser sjw mobs to cancel.

Blogger Writer of Britain October 21, 2020 2:22 AM  

Despite being a fairly good writer who has received praise from more than one upright raconteur - with regards to my prose and literary creations. I know, I know, that I won't receive mainstream success. Britannia is fully drenched in Karen Leftism and let the barbarians be barbaric - and has been for a while. Yes, I remember the Fathers for justice spin on the news and the soft non-punishment of minorities of the early noughties. Indeed I am a young man but let it be known I am a young man with a great memory.

Anyway, to refer again to your post and not get sidetracked; a Christian man, such as myself, who will go against the working class onlyfans, vote-for-Labour culture in which I have grown will not be given opportunity...I will have to make my own opportunity.

Thanks for reading.

Blogger Johnny October 21, 2020 8:50 AM  

>I'd say you possibly are "broken" to some extent by the media that has flooded out over the last century, but also, it is possible you feel this way due to lack of exposure to anything but whatever the hellmouth has put out there.

>the hellmouth indeed does not create. they merely copy, adapt, and steal ideas from those with enough of a link to the creative spirit they are able to create themselves. it takes effort to find such creations.

I can see that when it comes to a subversive hack ripping off a genre legend like JRR Tolkien. But what about other fields? Mainstream music is better than Christian music. Post-Hays Code movies are better than the stuff made during the Hays Code.

Blogger Daniel October 22, 2020 10:29 PM  

You made me want to read it in original language

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