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Thursday, October 08, 2020

VP Debate discussion

I didn't see it. But perhaps you did. Discuss amongst yourselves.

CNN: Harris 59, Pence 38

Drudge: Pence 71, Harris 29

Translation: Pence won handily.

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107 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 08, 2020 8:04 AM  

Honestly I thought GOPe Pence was going to throw this debate like that dirt bag Jack Kemp threw the 96 debate where Kemp legitimized the lefty psycho babble slander "racist" against the GOP's base. So maybe I was wrong but according to Rasmussen something or another that Vdare has been posting Trump is actually losing the white vote to Biden. WTF?

Out on a limb here but in a 4GW framework a Harris presidency would be bad but not the worst ever, she puts an idiot's face on the Deep State's machinations and internal civil war over who loots what.

Blogger Bobik October 08, 2020 8:05 AM  

Pemce totally won. CNN and others are predictably lying about it.

I really liked Pence's performance. Enjoyed it.

Blogger Stilicho October 08, 2020 8:07 AM  

One of the most important aspects was the demeanor of the candidates which sent a powerful message: on one hand, Pence was cool, calm, collected, and confidant; Harris was smirky, unsure, vapid, emotionally incontinent, etc. In short, it was White vs Brown, the West vs the Third World, and no viewer could miss that subtext.

Blogger Karen took the Kids October 08, 2020 8:10 AM  

I watched the whole thing and Pence was very relaxed, professional and hit her rhetorical killshots when he got the opportunity. She is a disgusting excuse of a human being regardless of my biases. Trump would do well to have Pence front and centre more often after the election in my opinion. He may be more relatable than a lot of people, including myself, thought for the last few years.
In terms of the moderator, I thought she did relatively well when the first debate was a pearl clutchers wet dream with Chris Wallace in the hot seat.

Blogger Seth S October 08, 2020 8:10 AM  

Every word out of Harris mouth is a lie, she knows the media will cover for her.

Blogger Clivejiveisalive October 08, 2020 8:13 AM  

Most definitely the kind of woman one shouldn't be in a room alone with.

Blogger Karen took the Kids October 08, 2020 8:13 AM  

First thing CNN posted after the debate : A fly landed on Pences'head during the debate. OMG etc.
Translation - An absolute wash.

Blogger Haus frau October 08, 2020 8:15 AM  

Pence surprised me. Both my husband and I expected a weak, overly-gentlemanly performance, especially since Harris would undoubtedly pull the female/brown victim card if hit too hard.
He was very diplomatically aggressive. Not frenzied like Trump and Biden's exchanges but just enough to keep Harris from throwing lie after lie out there without being called on it. He clearly went out there intending to win which is more than anyone could expect from a GOP approved politician. He made a nice calm, low note to Trump high energy, bombastic style.

Blogger Karen took the Kids October 08, 2020 8:21 AM  

(CNN)CNN Opinion asked contributors for their takes on how Mike Pence and Kamala Harris did at the vice presidential debate. The views expressed in these commentaries are their own.

Sarah Isgur: There was a fly on Pence's head

This level of retardation is what passes for journalism.

Blogger Balkan Yankee October 08, 2020 8:22 AM  

@1: Trump losing the white vote to Biden? That would be a neat trick. Democrat presidential candidates have not won a majority of the white vote since 1964.

As for the VP debate, Tim Kaine feels Kamala's pain.

Blogger Duh October 08, 2020 8:23 AM  

Harris played for her base, slinging debunked hoaxes and refusing to answer whether Biden will pack the court.

Pence was calm, collected and played to moderates and undecided voters.

So,clear win for Pence.

This is reflected by how the lefty media talks about the debate. They spend more time talking about the fly on Pence's head than Harris' performance

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 08, 2020 8:26 AM  

Pence is a worthless cuck, but even a worthless cuck looks better than a stupid brown whore.

Blogger Weak October 08, 2020 8:29 AM  

If CNN says it was that close, then I assume it was a public execution of Harris.

Blogger Doktor Jeep October 08, 2020 8:30 AM  

Pence was the stoic white man telling facts. Harris was the angry brown woman telling lies.
It was like watching civilization itself make a stand.

Blogger basementhomebrewer October 08, 2020 8:31 AM  

He mopped the floor with her. The tell is all the hub-bub around the fly. Obama constantly had flies on his face and no one at a mainstream outlet ever wrote an article about it. They don't want to talk about what was said at the debate.

Blogger crescent wrench October 08, 2020 8:31 AM  

Kamala alternated between displays of full "mean girl Karen" and palpably disingenuous attempts at moral grand-standing on "CNN's greatest hoax story hits"

Pence applied relentless pressure on their nut-job platform: "green new deal", court packing, murdering PA's energy sector.

The man was like a judo 5th dan systematically debunking and countering the media hoax train with sound-byte-tailored explanations of how they are lies followed with relevant parts of the Harris/Biden record that left egg on their faces.

Notable Kamala attack lines that really stuck in my mind:

She insulted the intelligence of anyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size by pretending Trump's trade policy, rather than corona shutdown, created the current economic environment, and even slipped in cheerleading for China.

She was more subtle in her intellectual dishonesty regarding corona death tolls, and while Pence gets a passing grade on defense here for pointing out exactly the fallacious reasoning she was using, he had the opportunity to go on offense re: their open obstruction of corona response and didn't take it.

Overall verdict on this is best delivered by perpetual worry-warts Ali and Cernovich, whose feeds were full of "BOOM!"

Blogger Stilicho October 08, 2020 8:32 AM  

Consider the bias of your source(s)

Blogger Dick October 08, 2020 8:34 AM  

I thought it was going to be a cucky showing from the GOP at first. I was wrong. Pence was outstanding in nailing the crucial points home. Even in the face of that ghastly "moderator".

Blogger PragmaticTroll October 08, 2020 8:40 AM  

The debate was an excellent example of a Bravo that is worthy of the further discussion. Pence communicated the message of the Alpha, showed loyalty, etc.

Blogger Bobik October 08, 2020 8:47 AM  

They talk about a fly. But no one is talking about those huge eyelashes on Kamalas eyes. Is this normal and usual to wear such makeup to work? I dont think so. Prostitute eyelashes.

Blogger Shane Bradman October 08, 2020 8:47 AM  

Pence is easily the better debater. That doesn't mean a lot when it comes to being the right-hand man of the second most powerful man in the world. But he clearly won the debate.

Blogger crescent wrench October 08, 2020 8:49 AM  

Committee on Presidential Debates (Romney-tier TDS GOPe) just tried to make the next debate "virtual" after noticing the BTFO-ing getting harsher and harsher each time for Biden/Harris.

Trump responded in interviews this morning with "how about no"

Blogger fredulent October 08, 2020 9:04 AM  

The pain of watching the debates can be reduced by watching Daisy Cousens live stream on YouTube of watching them.

Blogger rikjames.313 October 08, 2020 9:13 AM  

Our local news this morning were twisting themselves up in knots to say Harris won by a little, which I assume means she lost by a lot.

Blogger Workaholic Bear October 08, 2020 9:23 AM  

Pence is the perfect Bravo and Trump made an exceptionally wise move in picking him

Blogger crescent wrench October 08, 2020 9:25 AM  

I've never seen more transparently bot-netted activity than the "cover" they're trying to run for Harris on twitter.

We're in full masked crying wojak meme territory on the "but she really did win" and "please just look at the fly" line

Blogger Brant Thacker October 08, 2020 9:27 AM  

Those eyelashes are nothing compared to the eyelashes you see black women wearing in inner city neighborhoods. Even those working legal jobs. Probably a “dog whistle” to black women haha.

Blogger Louis Cypher October 08, 2020 9:28 AM  

My summation: It was like watching a well mannered serial killer slowly gutting his victim whilst whispering "No pain. No pain" into her ear.
He dismantled her arguments handily leaving her with little option but to try and assert herself by shuffling the deck and pulling out the "Don't lecture me" which translates into "I don't acknowledge your reasoning but I am Woman hear me roar".

Blogger Aeroschmidt October 08, 2020 9:28 AM  

Harris has such a shrill horrible voice she lost in her first statement.

Blogger Apoliteia October 08, 2020 9:30 AM  

I didn't watch either of the debates (not an American, so not that interested), but what I gather from this discussion, it looks to me that pesonality-wise Pence is to Trump what Axel Oxenstierna was to Gustavus Adolphus. The first fiery and energetic visionary, the another cool and pragmatic implementer.

I don't know how much further the analogy goes, as I'm not clear what role Pence has in Trump administration's behind-the-scenes workings; it might be greater than is publicly let out.

Blogger Fozzy Bear October 08, 2020 9:32 AM  

It was infuriating. Every time the discussion ended with Kamala, Pence was forced to take time from his next question to rebut her worst lies. Every time the discussion ended with Pence the moderator gave Kamala extra time to respond and muddy the waters.

Blogger Avalanche October 08, 2020 9:34 AM  

@20 "huge eyelashes on Kamalas "

Need a meme comparing Pence and his wee fly; and the Camel with her two CENTIPEDES!

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 08, 2020 9:36 AM  

The media gaslighting has reached insane levels. There's 20% of the population that is going to need therapy to remember up from down by the time it's over.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 08, 2020 9:39 AM  

according to Rasmussen something or another that Vdare has been posting Trump is actually losing the white vote to Biden.

The pollsters basically have to say that to make their numbers add up at all. They've admitted Trump has gained with blacks and latinos, yet they insist he's losing to Biden by ever-increasing numbers. That's only possible if he's losing whites like crazy.

Of course, they rarely offer a theory as to *why* he would be losing whites. Usually it's something like, "Suburban white women think he's uncouth," as if that wasn't true in 2016.

Blogger Scoblog October 08, 2020 9:40 AM  

One little remarked on part of the debate was at the end when Harris' husband came out wearing a mask. He was the only one on stage wearing a mask and this was not by mistake. He was wearing a mask to shield as much as possible that she is married to a white man. Mask was also stark white to give his skin a darker contrast with it. I guarantee this is what they were doing.

Blogger James Dixon October 08, 2020 9:46 AM  

> In short, it was White vs Brown, the West vs the Third World, and no viewer could miss that subtext.

Of course, but that merely solidifies the ingrate third world vote for Biden. Since there's no chance they were ever going to vote for Trump, it's not a great loss.

> Prostitute eyelashes.

Don't public speaking trainers always say go with what you know?



> Pence is a worthless cuck, but even a worthless cuck looks better than a stupid brown whore.

Pence's instincts are good, but as you say he's a cuck. He's always been terrified of being called names (see the Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act fiasco for an example). Maybe 4 years of watching Trump at work and seeing the left operate up close has cured him of some of that.

Blogger Fozzy Bear October 08, 2020 9:50 AM  

It was infuriating. Every time the discussion ended with Kamala, Pence was forced to take time from his next question to rebut her worst lies. Every time the discussion ended with Pence the moderator gave Kamala extra time to respond and muddy the waters.

Blogger travvyboy October 08, 2020 9:51 AM  

They are so desperate that I can only assume the fly a deep state contingency plan drone flown to land on his head and give the news something to talk about. It's a more plausible narrative than the Russia hoax.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 08, 2020 9:53 AM  

The salt is flowing on reddit. Best comment I saw: There's a reason Harris got like no votes in the primaries, she's shit at talking.

Blogger Gobilly October 08, 2020 9:59 AM  

most impotant kamalaism everyone has seemed to miss.. she layed the ground with for media coordination on supreme court packing. The narrative from MSM will now be Trump packed the lower coursts so we have to balance that by packing the supreme court. Yes, they are equating filling empty seats with brining in new chairs. And the idiots continued to post pictures of themselves doing anything vapid, continued playing fortnight, and listening to the atrisitc masterpeice WAP.. The USA, in fact, is doomed

Blogger Newscaper312 October 08, 2020 10:02 AM  

Virtual debate is a trap too, in that they would have a tidier technical chokepoint to shutoff Trumps camera as well as mike if they wanted.

Blogger CF Neal October 08, 2020 10:08 AM  

Ahhh...
Having come here for honest-before-God unfiltered opinions of fellow Christian American pats, I. Feel. GOOD.
Better certainly than last night, when at about 17+ mins in, I had all I could take & walked out on my neighbor.
I'll check with him, see how he thought it went; but he'd already pissed me off, complaining about Trump's handling of his hospital visit & medical treatments.
sheesh
We got our work cut out.

wwg1wga

Blogger xevious2030 October 08, 2020 10:10 AM  

"In short, it was White vs Brown, the West vs the Third World"

Only watched a few minutes, and she came off as letting her black side dominate (letting the Indian lapse stood out), so a black vs white. Meaning, I got pretty much the same impression.

Given the incessant/blatant lies by Biden in the debate, and Harris relying on her color, we've moved entirely past communication.

Blogger JD Curtis October 08, 2020 10:18 AM  

Deep State suddenly wants next Trump-Biden debate to be virtual, thus making it easier for Creepy Joe to cheat.
Trump tells the commission to pound sand. Link

Blogger Baron Womb October 08, 2020 10:24 AM  

Spot on. That was exactly how I saw it. And the moderator was again on the side of Harris, cutting Pence off whenever he called her on her lies or made a very strong point that showed Trump was doing a great job. Pence handled himself exceptionally and was (no surprise again) debating 2 people on that stage. The GOP needs to wise up and stop accepting biased journalists as debate moderators

Blogger Mr. Deficient October 08, 2020 10:25 AM  

Well the CPD wants the next debate to be virtual, which smacks of desperation and panic. Basically confirms that Pence won heavily.

Blogger DonJuanBear October 08, 2020 10:26 AM  

Lol... Trump walks away with APLOMB.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8819177/Second-debate-Biden-going-virtual-amid-Trumps-COVID-19.html

Blogger Ska_Boss October 08, 2020 10:35 AM  

Team Biden is just more of the same of Obama and Hillary's disastrous, anti-American laws and policies. We are at the same crossroads now as we were in 2016. I say this as a huge fan of team Trump, but he has only managed to shed some light on the massive swamp and its denizens while constantly defending himself from 4 years of relentless slander, libel, fraud, corruption, incompetence & treachery. Assumimg the election isn't stolen, Trump had better get off the ropes and take the gloves off in round 2 if there's going to be any future for this country.

Blogger pyrrhus October 08, 2020 10:37 AM  

Pence crushed her...which wasn't difficult since Kamala isn't bright, can't think on her feet, and had some difficult positions to defend.

Blogger tuberman October 08, 2020 10:41 AM  

I've been following Pence with skepticism that he might be Deep State, especially after the nonsense around General Flynn. Yet he's not shown many DS traits since then.

I think he may have been on the fringe of Deep State once, but decided to switch sides early in Trump's Presidency? Let me know if I'm missing some facts?

@11

"Pence was calm, collected and played to moderates and undecided voters."

As a good role player he performed very well, even National Review typically gave him credit. Finally they trilled, "Someone with 'Muh Principles.'"

Blogger Moonman's Ray-Ban Sunglasses October 08, 2020 10:43 AM  

Anyone who really agrees with the sentiment that Pence is a cuck: They either have never been put in a position of authority, or have never had to deal with the snakes and ladders of government and corporate life in the 21st Century while being morally correct, educated, knowledgeable and White.

In short, you don't know what you are speaking of.

Blogger Dole October 08, 2020 10:49 AM  

The sound did not work on the stream I watched, even from the body language it was clear that Pence was winning decisively.

Which is not surprising. He is a professional compared to the choir boy. Democrats possibly have selected the worst candidates ever, ideology being their only "strength". Similarly to diversity, it is not an actual strength but a weakness.

Blogger MaskettaMan October 08, 2020 10:51 AM  

Exactly. Trying to alpha a man and looking like a major CUNT instead. Cribbing from Obama for sure.

Blogger Brian Dean October 08, 2020 10:57 AM  

I was wondering if someone more familiar with video editing could comment on this. The supposed "fly" that lands on Pence, looks fake to me. For one thing, it flies way too fast when it lands on his head. Also, I would think a normal fly would fly away if he moved his head that much. Despite the fly being there for a significant amount of time, Pence seems to not notice it at all. You also don't see it fly away. It's just one second it's there, and the next second it's not.

Here's a YouTube link to the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwVRqKhM9Gg

Blogger MaskettaMan October 08, 2020 10:58 AM  

He's a maskcuck. Hiding the mouth shows weakness, he was making himself invisible basically. If he had accidentally taken up more space than Kamela she would have denied him his tendies.

Blogger Dole October 08, 2020 10:58 AM  

The media is focusing on the fly in the debate rather than any substance or anything that Pence did wrong.

Translation: Crushing victory.

Blogger thethirdcoast October 08, 2020 11:08 AM  

The Veep did well, but not spectacular.

Pence is an interesting guy, and one of the best hires in Trump's administration.

Pence has experience on talk radio. He also has executive experience from his time as the governor of Indiana.

He understands that he is there to support, not compete with Trump for the limelight, but he has shown himself capable of holding his own, as he did last night.

I like the fact Pence's background is all Midwestern/Rust Belt. This is also one of ACB's major positives. There are way too many Ivy League morons in DC, and those are the folks who have landed us in the current mess.

As for the fly, I'd ascribe that to Lucifer trying to aid his followers in their time of need.

Blogger Stilicho October 08, 2020 11:10 AM  

Well, Pence's performance certainly made the Bowtie Brigade's black hearts go pitter-pattering like a hard rock drum solo

Blogger RadixMalorum October 08, 2020 11:31 AM  

The key talking point and attack of the lying media is some fly that landed on Pence's head for 2 seconds during the debate. That's all you need to know for who won.

Blogger Crew October 08, 2020 11:41 AM  

President Trump destroyed the Corona Virus like the God Emperor he is!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjvbG0aWsAAi6Cs?format=jpg&name=medium

Blogger pFo Dynamite October 08, 2020 11:45 AM  

Pence was a Gorilla, the only exception being he allowed a fly to Bogart his scalp for the better part of 3 minutes.

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 08, 2020 11:56 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:
Of course, they rarely offer a theory as to *why* he would be losing whites. Usually it's something like, "Suburban white women think he's uncouth," as if that wasn't true in 2016.


If I had to forward a theory combining information from multiple places, Trump is hurting a bit with older Americans (which may skew "white" votes overall, since whites have been reproducing at lower levels year over year for some time now). They are more dependent on MSM for information. This would also explain why Facebook is cracking down so much, since that's the other main news source for older people (all the Q folks I've met IRL are boomers).

Blogger Valar Addemmis October 08, 2020 12:04 PM  

@51

I was worried about Pence, initially. But he's had plenty of chances to undercut Trump to his own benefit and has never taken the shot.

Blogger Dafo October 08, 2020 12:38 PM  

Stock market is up today so Pence must have won.

Blogger mrparabolic October 08, 2020 12:39 PM  

I thought the first presidential debate was a tie and that this one was a clear victory for Pence. But I doubt it will move the needle to much. To the extent there are any undecideds left, I would expect them to gravitate towards Pence's message of low taxes and no left wing radicalism over Harris' "we're not Trump" and "we'll raise taxes" messages.

Blogger Ken Prescott October 08, 2020 12:41 PM  

Pretty fly for a white guy

Blogger tdcommenter October 08, 2020 12:48 PM  

Tim Pool compared Pence's overall performance as an orbital bombardment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc30F8Ov7GA

Harris's identity was like a tough terrain, while the moderator provided the ammunition. Pence had to navigate both before going on his own offensive. It's telling that the MSM is defaulting to mansplaining & fake polls rather than any new memes.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 08, 2020 1:03 PM  

thethirdcoast wrote:Pence has experience on talk radio. He also has executive experience from his time as the governor of Indiana.
He cucked badly then. Perhaps he learned from his failure there.
thethirdcoast wrote:
He understands that he is there to support, not compete with Trump for the limelight, but he has shown himself capable of holding his own, as he did last night.

Valar Addemmis wrote:I was worried about Pence, initially. But he's had plenty of chances to undercut Trump to his own benefit and has never taken the shot.
He's done far better as Trump's #2 than we could have expected, just by not being a retarded nevertrumper. He's probably never going to be able to function on his own in a hostile environment, but he's backed up Trump pretty well.

Bush 1 spent his entire administration undoing everything Reagan had done. A Pence administration might not do that on purpose, but I can't see Pence standing up to the Dems or their GOPe allies. He's going to fold every time somebody whispers ``rayciss'' or ``homophobe.''

Blogger drsmith48167 October 08, 2020 1:29 PM  

Maybe Pence crushing Harris ha something to do with the very public announcement of this very obvious false flag operation allegedly broken up today;

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002/

They are truly getting very very desperate...

Blogger James Dixon October 08, 2020 1:40 PM  

> "I don't acknowledge your reasoning but I am Woman hear me roar".

She hasn't heard yet that Helen Reddy passed away. :)

> I can only assume the fly a deep state contingency plan drone flown to land on his head and give the news something to talk about.

I can think of worse motives, say an infected drone.

> The USA, in fact, is doomed.

Well, duh. How long have we been saying that?

> In short, you don't know what you are speaking of.

Sure we don't.

Blogger James Dixon October 08, 2020 1:46 PM  

> very public announcement of this very obvious false flag operation allegedly broken up today

Kidnapping Gretchen? Yeah, it's fake. Assassination I might buy, but not kidnapping.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 08, 2020 1:57 PM  

Pre-Trump Pence was pretty much the definition of a cuckservative: a conservative who caves in to the left far too often. That's why the GOPe forced him on Trump. But he's been better than expected, as far as we know. He went to that NFL game and walked out when the players knelt, which is something neither he nor any other Republican would have done without Trump in the picture.

Blogger GP October 08, 2020 2:09 PM  

The fly was a drone. Repubs couldn't chance wiring Pence so they used the fly/drone to communicate talking points to Pence.

Blogger God Emperor Memes October 08, 2020 2:18 PM  

That voice...whiny, nasal, smug...I thought Obama was insufferable when he spoke but Harris really takes the cake.

Blogger Kevin Smith October 08, 2020 2:19 PM  

@54

Yep. A direct path, and then doesn't move a millimeter for about a minute. Flies don't do that. I suspect a drone deployed to:
1. Humiliate Pence
2. Bait 'conspiracy' theorists, thus providing an opportunity for a highly distracting 'debunking' campaign.
3. Demonstrate a new technology and making a veiled threat.

Just some high-octane speculation.

Blogger GP October 08, 2020 2:23 PM  

"You also don't see it fly away. It's just one second it's there, and the next second it's not."
Just like in Mission Impossible, after the fly/drone expended its usefulness it self destructed leaving no evidence. Those Trump people are ingenious.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 08, 2020 2:45 PM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:That's why the GOPe forced him on Trump. But he's been better than expected, as far as we know. He went to that NFL game and walked out when the players knelt, which is something neither he nor any other Republican would have done without Trump in the picture.
I'm not yet convinced that he has the stones to operate on his own in a hostile environment, but he has been able to follow Trump's instructions well enough to back him up.

Blogger Azimus October 08, 2020 3:00 PM  

8. Haus frauOctober 08, 2020 8:15 AM
Pence surprised me...


This was Pence's audition for the 2024 ticket regardless of 2020's outcome, afterall.

Blogger Azimus October 08, 2020 3:03 PM  

31. Fozzy BearOctober 08, 2020 9:32 AM
It was infuriating...


Surely you didn't tune in expecting a level field? Don't let it get to you. It is going to get worse in the years to come, guaranteed.

Blogger Brian Dean October 08, 2020 3:09 PM  

@75

The simpler explanation is that someone in the video room, put that fly in there (with a pen or something similar) as a joke during the debate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan October 08, 2020 3:11 PM  

The Outkick twitter poll with 20k votes has Pence at 90% that is probably worth no less than CNN's version.

Anonymous Anonymous October 08, 2020 3:44 PM  

She was a scold. No one likes a scold. Reminded me of an old schoolmarm.

Blogger Commanderz October 08, 2020 3:48 PM  

I watched the debate and it appeared to me that Harris had prepared to debate Trump and not Pence. Every time she said something controversial, she paused and gave the VP a stink face. Clearly she was trying to goad a response which she was prepared to counter. Instead the VP took a note, waited for his time, then tore her a new one...as the kids used to say.

Blogger Azimus October 08, 2020 4:11 PM  

Harris is a fraud. She accuses Biden of racism in front of a national level audience, then agrees to be his running mate. When Colbert asks her about it she says in a do-i-really-have-to-tell-you-this-tone "it was a debate! It was a debate Steve!" So phony quivering voice and emotion and lying is OK on the stage because its all about getting that power? Got it. No need to listen to a word you're quiveringly saying... what a phony.

Blogger het1 October 08, 2020 4:51 PM  

I wonder, why Harris, Pelosi and ALL democrats (not only in USA) have so lying faces.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 08, 2020 6:09 PM  

I don't get the Rasmussen Poll. How can Trump/Pence suddenly be down 12 pt to Biden/Harris?

Have the free-money Boomer-CoV checks suddenly stopped? That might do it. The Good Emperor provides free bread and entertaining circuses.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 08, 2020 6:45 PM  

I don't get the Rasmussen Poll. How can Trump/Pence suddenly be down 12 pt to Biden/Harris?

Have the free-money Boomer-CoV checks suddenly stopped? That might do it. The Good Emperor provides free bread and entertaining circuses.


Yeah, I can't understand it either. Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson soared in the polls after they got covid, but Trump is tanking? Was his debate performance that awful? Or is it simply that the media is that much more hostile to Trump than the Brazilian and British media are to their leaders, and people are eating it up?

Trump is also pushing to make the covid drugs he had more available to the public. He basically served himself as a guinea pig.

There's gratitude for ya...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd October 08, 2020 6:51 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:Yeah, I can't understand it either. Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson soared in the polls after they got covid, but Trump is tanking?
Our polls are crookeder than the British and Brazilian polls?

Blogger dangerdog October 08, 2020 7:19 PM  

Between Democratic oversampling, people hiding their true political leanings to pollsters, and pollsters manipulating the results, I am not surprised most polls show Biden/Harris ahead.

Blogger Moonman's Ray-Ban Sunglasses October 08, 2020 7:24 PM  

@87

The simple answer is that any one poll can't be taken at face value, as it will be a skewed result. One must review the aggregate.

Seeing the Legacy outlets go wild trying to downplay Pence's victory is enough.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 08, 2020 7:27 PM  

My best guess right now is that it's because the covid is getting worse, again. Trump has consistently done better when it's in decline, and very poorly when it's high. In September, it was at a low ebb.

If the covid doesn't go down again before election day, we're screwed.

Blogger VFM #7634 October 08, 2020 7:31 PM  

Between Democratic oversampling, people hiding their true political leanings to pollsters, and pollsters manipulating the results, I am not surprised most polls show Biden/Harris ahead.

The problem is, Rasmussen has consistently been more Trump-friendly.

Blogger Reziac October 08, 2020 7:31 PM  

Back-when, Pence mopped the floor with Kaine (who clearly is not very bright). While he wasn't as impressive this time, and had a smarter opponent, he did yank Kamala's hair a few times, while she didn't really make any new points (but proved that she's happy to regurgitate the usual crap).

Random thoughts:

Kamala was wearing makeup to make herself look darker under the hot lights. Bit surprised she didn't do more claiming of her sacred brownness and blackness.

The moderator is apparently a friend of hers; she slipped up once and started to call Kamala by her first name.

Didn't get the questions in advance? Kamala's first answer was clearly rehearsed, but after that things went off the rails enough that any rehearsed answers became useless (and were not used). Pence is a good debater and did a fair job rebutting her BS, but I think his instincts toward women prevented him from laying on the kill shots she deserved.

I'm not a fan of Pence (his fake-grandfatherly style makes my teeth itch) but he did rightfully play the calm one who actually knows what's going on, while Kamala came off as a self-absorbed bitch cynically using the casting couch.

So, win to Pence.

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If Biden insists on a virtual debate, which Trump has already nixed, Trump should hold a rally that night, and then we'll see what the relative viewer numbers are...

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Remember, polls are not intended to take the public pulse; they are intended to sway the undecided toward the "winning" side (since humans naturally prefer to follow a winner, not a loser). A poll can say anything you want it to, depending on who you poll.

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I'd like to see different debates: Trump vs Kamala, and Pence vs Biden.

Blogger Reziac October 08, 2020 7:34 PM  

Oh yeah, and that (as someone above put it) Kamala's displays of "quivering emotion" like she's about to burst into tears over how mean those GOPs are to all the poor little dirt people. Methinks this was a child who always got her way by threatening to cry, and could have done with a few more spankings.

Actually, she could still do with a few more spankings. Or public whippings.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 08, 2020 8:39 PM  

They're oversampling Democrats by 11% and drawing heavily from CA and NY, just like 2016. Then putting their thumb on the scale beyond that. This time it's not enough to tell people the Democrat is winning to create a bandwagon effect. This time they want the reality to be far enough from the polls to support their "Trump must have cheated somehow" narrative. We'll know they're sticking with that plan if the polls don't shift closer to even as the election approaches, as they normally do.

I watched the debate and it appeared to me that Harris had prepared to debate Trump and not Pence.

Naturally, because she's the real candidate at this point. I think most people realize that if Biden wins, he may not even take the oath before announcing his dementia and passing the presidency to Harris. Pence doesn't matter that much, because Trump is still healthy and energetic. But Harris matters a lot. Her horribleness isn't going to push any Democrats over to Trump, but it might convince quite a few to stay home or vote for their favorite third-party nobody.

Blogger Damelon Brinn October 08, 2020 8:44 PM  

Kamala was wearing makeup to make herself look darker under the hot lights.

She also had very long eyelashes. I wasn't aware of this, but apparently that's a black woman thing.

Blogger Ransom Smith October 08, 2020 8:53 PM  

The problem is, Rasmussen has consistently been more Trump-friendly.
As has been said so many times there shouldn't be a need to repeat it, polls are a reflection of people willing to respond.
And in modern times, the willingness has evaporated.

Blogger crescent wrench October 08, 2020 11:59 PM  

Looks like I spoke too soon on Ali, he's back to despair porn.

https://twitter.com/ali/status/1314406105443786753

Blogger Meng Greenleaf October 09, 2020 12:33 AM  

I feel like we're at a crossroads here. One road leads to a bloody-awful Civil War. Down the other to a civil straightforward repatriation movement with minor bloodshed.

Rasmussen Reports have been friendly to Trump in the past - they might know, empirically, that a few bad polls motivate the lazier of The Base, to get out and vote. How many political victories were lost due to overconfidence?

I was also thinking about the SSH Gamma and Delta. While Gamma are resentful and broken, they do appear to at least have a level of will - they're trying to be human, just failing at many levels. Not to be hard on the Delta, but the ones that I know, particularly those f*cking cucks who are voting Biden, while extremely productive - appear to be NPC.

Do you get that feeling?

I don't think Delta have to be NPC, but falling in line is so natural that this is what some (left-leaning ones particularly) end up becoming.

I think the conservative Delta are different in this respect. Left-leaning Delta are NPC cucks.


Oh, and I was wondering about the Sigma. It seems like they would be most likely to be The Buddha in Buddhism - and don't the Buddha go to level 2?

What's the point in railing against the SSH-machine like a Gamma or working hard like a Delta if you don't get to go to level 2? Anyway, I've been working way too many hours. I feel exhausted and I really need this Trump win for X-mas.

Blogger map October 09, 2020 12:53 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Of course, they rarely offer a theory as to *why* he would be losing whites. Usually it's something like, "Suburban white women think he's uncouth," as if that wasn't true in 2016.

They were calling white suburban women racist for voting for Trump in 2016. Now they are insisting Trump is losing white suburban women?

Blogger map October 09, 2020 12:58 AM  

Gobilly wrote:most impotant kamalaism everyone has seemed to miss.. she layed the ground with for media coordination on supreme court packing. The narrative from MSM will now be Trump packed the lower coursts so we have to balance that by packing the supreme court.

No. The narrative is that Trump "packed" the courts with White people.

Blogger map October 09, 2020 1:22 AM  

dangerdog wrote:Between Democratic oversampling, people hiding their true political leanings to pollsters, and pollsters manipulating the results, I am not surprised most polls show Biden/Harris ahead.

I read finance sites covering the political poll statistics. The gist is that, unlike previous polls that gyrate a lot, Biden's polls have been consistently flat and high, with little movement.

To me, this is an indicator of how fraudulent the polls are. You would see gyrations because, the further out from the election, the more varying the interest and the more wide the swings. There is no way that Biden's polls would be consistently flat unless they were manipulated.

Blogger crescent wrench October 09, 2020 2:32 AM  

map wrote:They were calling white suburban women racist for voting for Trump in 2016. Now they are insisting Trump is losing white suburban women?

Wokeism is the new and trendy religion among white millennial Karens.
They'll publicly evangelize while groaning behind closed doors.
I expect a huge divergence from exit polling among this demographic given how common the "Karen told me in confidence how she's beginning to really hate woke-ism" story is these days.

Preference cascade is imminent, if not this election then 4 years under president woke-scold will do it, especially if DeSantis runs on his FL record.

Blogger David October 09, 2020 4:22 PM  

Brian Dean wrote:I was wondering if someone more familiar with video editing could comment on this. The supposed "fly" that lands on Pence, looks fake to me. For one thing, it flies way too fast when it lands on his head. Also, I would think a normal fly would fly away if he moved his head that much. Despite the fly being there for a significant amount of time, Pence seems to not notice it at all. You also don't see it fly away. It's just one second it's there, and the next second it's not.

Here's a YouTube link to the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwVRqKhM9Gg


I don't think the fly was real either. When you slow down the video, you don't see the fly flying in from anywhere at all. It just appears out of nowhere. It might have been CGI, although I'm not sure how possible it is to pull it off in a live video.


thethirdcoast wrote:
As for the fly, I'd ascribe that to Lucifer trying to aid his followers in their time of need.


That's another possibility. It could have been a demonic illusion, like a UFO. At times, the demons will pull supernatural stunts in the natural world to mock and laugh at the unsuspecting unbelievers.


Blogger VD October 09, 2020 7:01 PM  

I don't get the Rasmussen Poll. How can Trump/Pence suddenly be down 12 pt to Biden/Harris?

All assets activated.

Blogger Writer of Britain October 09, 2020 11:12 PM  

I feel the same way. Yes, she does remind one of an old schoolmarm.

A hint of control-freakery mixed with concern-trollery and naggery. That's what I got from Pence's opponent.

Blogger Gypsy October 10, 2020 9:04 AM  

The meme I've seen and posted is a ultra tight closeup with the fly wearing a MAGA hat.

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