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Saturday, November 21, 2020

Proof is the new evidence

It's interesting to see the mainstream media narrative keep changing over time. From the Daily Mail:

Trump claims that there is 'big voter fraud information coming out concerning Georgia' as he continues to claim he won the election

President Donald Trump continued to allege voter fraud on Saturday

He claimed there is 'big voter fraud information' coming from Georgia

Trump urged his supporters to 'stay tuned!' yet offered no further information on what his campaign claims to have found there

Biden was declared the winner in Georgia after a hand recount this week 

Trump's previous claims of fraud have been widely dismissed as his legal team has failed to supply any proof 

First, the narrative was that there wasn't any evidence, which we're still seeing being ignorantly repeated by a few lagging retards who simply don't know what "evidence" is. Then that shifted to "no strong evidence", which is still the primary narrative despite the fact that no one in the media is even remotely equipped to understand, let alone explain, the significance of the strong statistical and technological evidence that has already been revealed.

Now, the media has begun retreating to the "failed to supply any proof" position, which we can reasonably expect to be abandoned within two weeks. Of course, once the proof is supplied, it's game over for Sleepy Joe and a lot of corrupt election officials.

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82 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker November 21, 2020 11:34 AM  

And hopefully game over for most of the media.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 21, 2020 11:35 AM  

The proof will be akin to the Death Star ripping Alderaan apart.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli November 21, 2020 11:38 AM  

We cannot coexist with these people.

What we're seeing here is not merely new levels of conscious dishonesty, but also new levels of detachment from reality and a decoupling of oneself and one's mind from the simple definitions given to basic words in a language.

They do not believe words have any set meaning. ALL is subject to change and flux to these people. And they, somehow, 'believe' this.

We are quite literally not speaking the same language. The simple fact is that while many of the more intelligent leftists are engaged in a coverup and fraud, there are many that literally do not even know the meaning of 'evidence' anymore. Just as they deny any stable definition for 'marriage', 'male', 'female', or 'violence'. Or any number of other basic terms from the English language.

Considering a greater percentage of the Left is immigrants whose first and even second languages are not English, who have not grown up in households with Western conceptions of justice, law, logic, or language, and who come from nations with average IQs below or at levels of retardation, this is not surprising.

Blogger GammaCatch November 21, 2020 11:38 AM  

"Trump attempts to undermine Election" was the latest shift I saw this week. I think that will be a phrase we will see often as this amazing mess of Evil finally comes to a head after decades and decades and decades.

Blogger Shannon November 21, 2020 11:50 AM  

Why do you think Powell wasn’t Clear on/sure who seized the servers in Germany?

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot November 21, 2020 11:51 AM  

Biden was declared the winner in Georgia after a hand recount this week

What does a recount of fake ballots prove? We're dealing with cask-strength stupid here.

Blogger Ska_Boss November 21, 2020 11:55 AM  

Orange man bad!

Blogger D E K November 21, 2020 12:00 PM  

In numerous other languages there is only one word for proof and evidence...for example Beweis in German. Lucky Englishmen.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei November 21, 2020 12:01 PM  

These people are evil. The regular people sucked in by this lack any basis in logic, proof, classic education, or reality.

Blogger VD November 21, 2020 12:14 PM  

Why do you think Powell wasn’t Clear on/sure who seized the servers in Germany?

Because she's not in the proper branch of the relevant military or the chain of command.

Blogger Crew November 21, 2020 12:16 PM  

And did Obama win his first election by charging his opponents with election fraud?

https://notthebee.com/article/just-a-reminder-obama-won-his-very-first-election-by-charging-his-opponents-with-election-fraud

Blogger Joe November 21, 2020 12:20 PM  

She said a similar thing about the FBI, which was twisted into claims that there are no investigations going on or else she would have said so.

Blogger Rick November 21, 2020 12:30 PM  

“ Because she's not in the proper branch of the relevant military or the chain of command.”

Precisely.
There was some audio of her interview on, I think Glenn Beck, where she said “we were provided” rather than “we discovered”. It felt like a slip. The mental image created was of MI showing her “something”. So there’s definitely more in the hands of, I think, MI that she just doesn’t have as much access to. I do get the sense she was shown (visual, as in video) by MI. She nearly said as much, when she said “they were watching it real-time.” She’s definitely giving us a little more every day, which I think is MI’s plan to get the regular citizens (including us) to accept a little more every day so as not to shock them all at once, or just dismiss it out of hand. It’s like we’re discovering things right along with her.

Blogger Sicilian Switchblade November 21, 2020 12:34 PM  

We are talking about upside-down-world luciferians who actually believe changing the meaning of words will change the reality of what actually is.
These subjectivist retards will never cease to move the goal post and attempt to change the rules as the game is being played then claim victory.

Blogger Timmy3 November 21, 2020 12:38 PM  

I hope we win. Another update on Gateway pundit that more lawsuits coming.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 21, 2020 12:43 PM  

Shannon wrote:Why do you think Powell wasn’t Clear on/sure who seized the servers in Germany?
She hadn't been told, probably for the reason Vox gave.

That means she was going full speed ahead without the server. I find it encouraging that she thought she had a solid case without it. The server just ices the cake.

Blogger Fox Bear November 21, 2020 12:44 PM  

"Reporter's" words as VP leaves briefing without taking questions:

“All of you need to answer this! What is going on? You’re not working with the transition! You’re all part of not recognizing democracy! You’re all undermining the democratic election! Every one of of you! And you won’t work with the transition!”

I see one question in there. Then he kindly answers himself by quickly taking his true form as puppet activist

Blogger OMGDwayne November 21, 2020 12:47 PM  

None of these angels dancing on pinheads much matters at this point. The low level civil war that has existed in the West since the 1960s now must transition into high level. We have to reach 16th-century levels of oppression against the Left. Those guys were committed. We must be committed. Trump is only a placeholder. It's time for a new, draconian function.

Blogger Rek. November 21, 2020 12:47 PM  

What's really clear from their tactics is that the click of satanists and their allies are realy and seriously terrified. They know the jig is up and the ropes are being bought.

Blogger D. November 21, 2020 12:53 PM  

@3

From Ruling Class to Oligarchy
https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/from-ruling-class-to-oligarchy/

Blogger Ranger November 21, 2020 12:58 PM  

In Portuguese, "proof" means "evidência" and "evidence" means "indício". Yes, confusing... h
maybe all this means is that a lot of the people who scream "no evidence" actually have English as a second language (or were never taught proper English)

Blogger Br1cht November 21, 2020 1:02 PM  

I found this piece very informative regarding election fraud and signs if you want something easy for a normie family member or just want a quick catch up.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37243190

Blogger Chiva November 21, 2020 1:03 PM  

First They Laugh At You,
Then They Ignore You,
Then They Fight You,
Then You Win
- Gandhi

Blogger Lazarus November 21, 2020 1:07 PM  

The Blob wants to see the evidence so they can get a head start on countering it. The problem for the Blob is that there is TOO MUCH evidence to know what will be used in court. As SP said, they have 2x the evidence that put half of the prison population in prison. All it takes for the US to declare an overseas election invalid is for observers to be ejected from the ballot counting, and that's the least of the evidence.

Blogger Steve Canyon November 21, 2020 1:13 PM  

Explains why Sleepy Joe wasn't campaigning before the election. He knew he didn't need to.

Blogger Karen took the Kids November 21, 2020 1:15 PM  

I think they expected Trump to concede by now and that was an amateur assumption.

It's clear that the amount of fraud required to counter the Trumpslide overwhelmed even them. They knew he'd win, they just didn't know it would be historical. As a result they've had to completely expose themselves. They now have the media attempting to control the narrative which has failed completely. The amount of denial is fascinating to me, people are having to act borderline retarded in order to legitimise Biden as the successor.

Hundreds of thousands of Trump supporters lined the streets in DC and the only damage was caused by the usual soy infested, molested, sexually ambiguous, mentally ill leftists. Any 1:1 fights that occurred resulted in Antifa getting installed into pavement and long may it continue.

Whatever happens, this has been an eye opening month for anyone that's actually paying attention. If it wasn't obvious before, you can NEVER, EVER trust a Conservative.

Blogger pyrrhus November 21, 2020 1:20 PM  

We are seeing, in part, the fallout from the complete collapse of American education, K-Phd, which has resulted in most people being able to understand even the simplest math or statistical evidence...Some of our opponents in this existential battle are just lying, of course, but many are baffled by what used to be junior high school stuff...

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 21, 2020 1:22 PM  

What Georgia Gov. Kemp has done is appalling to me. In typical pol fashion he tries to have it both ways. He's got the election results now "certified, but not endorsed". He has listed a number of things about the vote which trouble him and that he wants resolved he says, but he certifies anyway. What slop!

That's an absurdity, as he invents a new category for things. The election is either certified or not certified. Those are the two legal states. When you certify, you sign a legal document of certification. Signature = Endorsement. That's what that is.

It's time to follow the law, not to sew parachutes. What he should have done is declare the votes suspect, which in fact he did. And at that point gavel in the legislature to talk about electors. The legal remedies are there, the law is there.

You follow it.

Blogger tuberman November 21, 2020 1:23 PM  

Should be interesting when they get the full numbers of the voter fraud, and yes they well do that.

Blogger Gettimothy November 21, 2020 1:34 PM  

Rek. wrote:What's really clear from their tactics is that the click of satanists and their allies are realy and seriously terrified. They know the jig is up and the ropes are being bought.

Rek. wrote:What's really clear from their tactics is that the click of satanists and their allies are realy and seriously terrified. They know the jig is up and the ropes are being bought.




Bill Kristol is Alarmed


Blogger Tom d November 21, 2020 1:39 PM  

Perhaps my brain has been infected by the zombie gamma hives after years of reading too many online comments, but I can already hear the howls from the court of public opinion that will never accept this..."nu uh, that's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt; you expect me to believe the ruling from a Trump appointed judge; why are you ignoring [trivial, unimportant] fact xyz that clearly debunks this; the liar Trump manufactured that evidence...ect."

Blogger Steve Samson November 21, 2020 1:45 PM  

That means she was going full speed ahead without the server. I find it encouraging that she thought she had a solid case without it. The server just ices the cake.

Precisely.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants November 21, 2020 2:06 PM  

At the risk of sounding smug, Ive been trying tell right wingers how corrupt the elections are in GA for decades now & the truth is, maybe I am feeling a bit smug.
Anyone honest who knows anything about GA internal politics knows the same thing, corruption is the basis on which all elections are built & the more Californians, New Englanders & immigrants flood in, the more corrupt & dirty it has become.

Blogger Unknown November 21, 2020 2:07 PM  

That’s two weeks to shift well over 70 million people from the enemies media, to friendly media. Doable. With the demoralization bypassed, the sense of legitimacy will be crushing. Check mate.

Blogger Shimshon November 21, 2020 2:18 PM  

"They know the jig is up and the ropes are being bought."

When they start appearing in mysterious drops around contested areas instead of bricks, get ready.

Blogger Crew November 21, 2020 2:25 PM  

Some evidence that they were also transferring vote ratios between precincts:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/exclusive-brilliant-american-minutemen-women-just-uncovered-dominion-plot-transferring-vote-ratios-pennsylvania-precincts-video/

Blogger sammibandit November 21, 2020 2:25 PM  

@Rek,

Hate to be that person, but for your sake in the future and others, it's clique, pronounced like you would the brand Clinique.

Blogger Ahnaf Ibn Qais November 21, 2020 2:46 PM  

These Mongrels don't have the faintest clue what the words "evidence" or "proof" even actually mean.

As you noted in an earlier post, when the Mockingbird Press-titutes say "Evidence", they just mean "Testimonials from authority figures we deem relevant". It's just Subjective Bile.

The good news is, the people are awake and not buying into this Farce. They know that:

Statistical anomalies == Evidence
Affidavits == Evidence

Don Lemon and all the other Globalist whores can Meltdown and Holler and Scream "Orange Man BAD!" all they want to; this Farce and Treason will be dealt with *decisively*.

Blogger crescent wrench November 21, 2020 2:47 PM  

I'm perfectly fine with their demands for "proof".

The violation of mathematical law by these ballot returns proves fraud by dis-proving legitimacy.

Blogger B-Rex November 21, 2020 2:59 PM  

I personally know the Georgia recount is likely to continue. the local Republican & Trumo campaign offices are asking for volunteer observers as a 2nd recount is being ordered. Like always, the left tries to call the game before the buzzer so you quit

Blogger Andy Texan November 21, 2020 3:01 PM  

Until Trump came along there was no opposition party in the US. Let's have it out with them here and now.

Blogger Dafo November 21, 2020 3:25 PM  

Some may be over-educated, insulated for too long in an academic environment to the point of losing touch with what is real and what is theoretical.

Blogger Daniel November 21, 2020 3:34 PM  

The last time the media was this openly incompetent was when they were reporting on the Unabomber Manifesto.

Usually they are better at the weasel words. But they are trapped because the lie is just too silly to gain any rhetorical traction.

Blogger Rek. November 21, 2020 3:47 PM  

@sammibandit

Huh. Thanks for pointing that out. I should know better, I speak French.

Blogger Unknown November 21, 2020 3:50 PM  

CNN is trouncing Fox in the ratings post-election. CNN is for sale because its owners want out while it still has some value. Smells like game over to me.

Blogger Rick November 21, 2020 4:06 PM  

Lin Wood just said “a Great Awakening”

https://twitter.com/anonpatriotq/status/1330220575067951105?s=21

Blogger Josh Brown November 21, 2020 4:11 PM  

Also before there was no evidence of fraud there was no basis for even claiming it, claimed the media in unison.

Blogger Didas Kalos November 21, 2020 4:18 PM  

@chive you forgot they literally go insane subpoint. LOL

Blogger Beloved November 21, 2020 4:23 PM  

Sure, but what are they going to do? Burn and loot the remains of the businesses they pillaged months ago?

Blogger RadixMalorum November 21, 2020 4:34 PM  

Next they'll say "there's no widespread proof" that Biden attempted to steal the election.

Blogger FLOlson November 21, 2020 4:34 PM  

28. The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey:

"What Georgia Gov. Kemp has done is appalling to me. In typical pol fashion he tries to have it both ways. He's got the election results now "certified, but not endorsed". He has listed a number of things about the vote which trouble him and that he wants resolved he says, but he certifies anyway. What slop!"

Aww, give the idiot a break. As Sidney Powell pointed out yesterday in an interview, both the Governor and the SOC rushed Dominion/Smartmatic machines for voting in 2019, and got kickbacks from the company. If Sidney states something, take it to the bank. So, both are compromised. Right now, they are trying to figure out which side they should chose, hence the having it both ways. I have a feeling that when Sidney submits her evidence, they will see that they had better cut their losses and not certify the results. Or, they risk going to jail because they knowingly certified fraudulent votes. There is a lot of pressure on those fools right now.

I love this. It's like the Equalizer movies with Denzel Washington, where his character gives the perpetrators the chance to do the right thing, before he serves judgement; severe judgment. This is exactly what Trump is doing with the legal option. Making them choose a side. They had better choose wisely.

Blogger urthshu November 21, 2020 4:55 PM  

>>>Then You Win
- Gandhi

Then they partition your country and around a million die

Blogger crescent wrench November 21, 2020 4:55 PM  

B-Rex wrote:I personally know the Georgia recount is likely to continue. the local Republican & Trumo campaign offices are asking for volunteer observers as a 2nd recount is being ordered. Like always, the left tries to call the game before the buzzer so you quit

Governor Kemp is very clearly trying his best to sweep the fraud under the rug with deliberate half-measures and needs to be ousted via primary.

I wish Ali luck in this task.

Blogger Curlytop November 21, 2020 5:25 PM  

Beijing Brian and Brad should be sharing a prison cell w Aunt Jemima.

Blogger sammibandit November 21, 2020 5:34 PM  

No problem, Rek. Cheers.

Blogger michimartini November 21, 2020 5:45 PM  

There is "Indizienbeweis", right?

Blogger Billy McVein November 21, 2020 7:11 PM  

Video is the best proof. The 8,000,000-pound gorilla, which is Satanism and what entails, has finally been mentioned by someone not considered a "conspiracy theorist":

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/every-lie-will-revealed-going-shocked-level-pdophilia-satanic-worship-lin-wood-not-hold-back-explosive-thrive-time-interview-video/

Pedophilia, Satanism, and even worse (i.e. child sacrifice) are the keys to draining the swamp. And remember, The Exalted One didn't say he was going to drain the USA swamp--the swamp is international in scope.

Ghislaine Maxwell was captured relatively close to the election, and one can only imagine what horrors are on the tapes she had. I have a sneaking suspicion the Trump Administration has those tapes and they just might start getting leaked--or at least being used behind the scenes to start the drain. I'm guessing there were more acts that were filmed in that weird Satanic temple on Epstein's island than just child rape, and I say that not to in any way downplay how repugnant and demonic that is. Imagine if people around the globe see video proof of our "betters" in their $5,000 suits and leer jets that shames people through some false pretense of moral authority performing acts that the most depraved people in Hollywood wouldn't even think of putting in one of their films.

Every cause has, in time, an effect. The effect of evil, eventually, will always be negative no matter how bright and shiny the wide road looks when first embarked upon.

Blogger Avalanche November 21, 2020 7:17 PM  

@16 "That means she was going full speed ahead without the server. I find it encouraging that she thought she had a solid case without it. The server just ices the cake."

Isn't it more the case that the current affidavit evidence and video evidence and mathematical evidence are a for ONE class of lawsuits/criminal cases?

The servers, programming, hardware, IT personnel, supervisors, sellers, maintainers, and etc, are a whole different class of "criminal" in this c-f as against the ballot harvesters, the USPS folks changing dates, the counters falsely counting, the supervisors illegally kicking out count watchers, the ballot markers in the bullpen racing to get 137,000 ballots marked or PDFs printed for delivery and etc.

Then, the state, local, and maybe some federal legislators, who bought the voting systems, and then the suborned judges 'making' law and throwing out cases are yet-another class of criminals.

Blogger Trump Soldier November 21, 2020 8:07 PM  

I'm with Andy Texan, let's just get it on. The fight is here and now.

Blogger crescent wrench November 21, 2020 8:24 PM  

@57

Every time I've seen Lin Wood it has been in headlines making outlandish claims he's never delivered upon. I question the competence of a man who can't even get a slam-dunk defense case dismissed in a red judicial district.

Blogger Shane Bradman November 21, 2020 8:28 PM  

There is obviously fraud in Georgia. Why did they only do a hand recount when they were supposed to do an audit? Nobody could confuse a recount with an audit. We know for certain that they did not check the signatures on the absentee ballots, and that they deliberately avoided doing this.

Blogger My Comment November 21, 2020 8:35 PM  

Here is a crowd sourced list of voting fraud

https://hereistheevidence.com/

Blogger Billy McVein November 21, 2020 9:04 PM  

"Every time I've seen Lin Wood it has been in headlines making outlandish claims he's never delivered upon. I question the competence of a man who can't even get a slam-dunk defense case dismissed in a red judicial district."

You might be right or I might be, we'll see. Either way, this is one hell of an exciting ride.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel November 21, 2020 9:24 PM  

@61

"Nobody could confuse a recount with an audit."


What exactly do you think an audit is?

Blogger RMH in StL November 21, 2020 9:30 PM  

I agree.... I'm clueless as to why Lin Wood is so revered. He seems more like one of those ambulance chasing lawyers who used to do late night ads on local cable channels. His national fame through getting lucky on another slam dunk, settled out of court, case. His help in the Rittenhaus case has been a botched job, in my opinion.

Blogger Up from the pond November 21, 2020 9:35 PM  

Of all the arguments that the election was rigged - vote-counting was paused, election observers were expelled or improperly restricted - the least compelling is the "statistical anomalies" argument.

The versions of this argument that I've seen all amount to the same thing, which is the following (specific numbers may vary): "X class of ballots was running 70/30 Biden/Trump, but at X o'clock, a lot of ballots of that same class ran 90/10. That is statistically impossible."

We know that if one flips a coin an infinite number of times, the result will be 50/50 heads/tails. Should it be considered statistically anomalous if the flips are all heads from flip #30 to flip #300 after having been 50/50 from flip #1 to flip #29?

Answer: no.

Someone might retort that ballots aren't random. We know that certain classes of ballots are going to break more D than R, and vice-versa. But how do they know and show it, these people claiming statistical anomalies? By referring to past election results and polls, or by referring to the tally run up in the current election prior to X o'clock? If the answer is "both," that's a bad sign.

Nobody asked me, but I wouldn't waste time making any statistical argument. Even were such arguments correct, they have a sophistical appearance. The strongest evidence so far is the pause in counting and the interference with election observers, the gold standard of election fraud all over the world.

Blogger CoolHand November 21, 2020 9:39 PM  

@60 You're a fucking retard, or more likely, a shill.

Now, for the FIFTH TIME I will reiterate for you:

LIN WOOD IS NOT A CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY.

He's not the one arguing the Rittenhouse self defense case.

We are well past the point where you not getting this moves from simple stupidity to willful lying.

Direct Question: Do you understand that Lin Wood is not a criminal attorney and that he is NOT Kyle's criminal defense counsel?

You should know the rules of this blog, answer the question or fuck off.

Blogger Akulkis November 21, 2020 11:02 PM  

>> Why do you think Powell wasn’t Clear on/sure who seized the servers in Germany?

Not her people. Attorneys, even prosecutors, generally aren't involved in evidence collection, especially when the evidence is NOT something that they requested the client obtain to strengthen the case.

Trump is controlling that sort of thing and he is keeping his hand close to his chest.

Blogger Akulkis November 21, 2020 11:08 PM  

>> Explains why Sleepy Joe wasn't campaigning before the election. He knew he didn't need to.

Hillary thought the same thing, with her "a dozen donors in a smoke filled room" campaign events.

Blogger Horst November 21, 2020 11:33 PM  

@66

It's absolutely statistically anomalous.

The probability of observing 270 successive heads in a row, on a fair coin, is approximately 5.27e-82. No one will ever observe such an occurrence in their lifetime. For all intents and purposes in the real world this number is zero.

Even assuming the coin is weighted with a probability of heads at 99% observing 270 heads in a row is only 6.6%.

What was reported was thousands of ballots cast for Biden without corresponding gains for Trump. It just doesn't occur even with the most favorable estimates for Biden's popularity in the strongest Democrat locations in the country. This isn't even factoring in physical error, someone will eventually make a mistake and vote Trump or some third party by accident. If there are multi thousand batches of exclusively Biden votes then this is prima facie evidence for fraud.


Blogger crescent wrench November 21, 2020 11:51 PM  

CoolHand wrote:@60 You're a fucking retard, or more likely, a shill.

Now, for the FIFTH TIME I will reiterate for you....


What are you talking about "fifth time?"
I don't remember discussing this guy since the week of the riots and at the time I had mild hope for his efforts.

Blogger Rough Carrigan November 22, 2020 12:00 AM  

#66.
Official vote tallies including massive subtractions of votes is indicative of rigging.

Official vote tallies including 10 or 20 entries after 3 a.m. all with exactly the same proportion of Trump and Biden votes to the thousandth is indicative of rigging.

The former is logically impossible. The latter is statistically impossible.

The fact that the numbers of votes dumped in certain intervals of time are actually physically impossible to have been processed in the interval between the previous vote addition and that one is indicative of rigging.

There are also many circumstantial indicators of fraud which by themselves don't prove anything but which cumulatively give further support to the picture of rigging. By one count there were only something like 115,000 presidential vote only ballots in the U.S. in 2016. There were 95,000 in Georgia in 2020 and 60,000+ in each and every swing state.

Biden did worse than Hillary Clinton in every major city in the U.S. . . . . except Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia and Atlanta, where he broke records.

The % of mail in ballots that were rejected in the swing states was something like 1/20 the rate of rejections in 2016 when there were far fewer and when the people doing it were often people who had consistently sent ballots that way. But suddenly millions more people, including more abjectly stupid Americans, avail themselves of this method of voting for the very first time and the rate of rejected ballots craters? Really.

There are some real impossibilities to be claimed among the statistical evidence and some good circumstantial indicators that aren't in themselves conclusive but which, with other evidence help the facts scream "Fraud!" even louder.

Blogger CoolHand November 22, 2020 12:54 AM  

@71 Aaaaand question dodged.

Who could've seen that one coming.

Blogger crescent wrench November 22, 2020 5:32 AM  

@70

Most people don't comprehend scientific notation. You have to give them a reference number to highlight the absurdity, like the number of stars in the entire universe (1.0e24)

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 22, 2020 6:37 AM  

@73 he's indirectly answered the question. He reads MSM headlines about Lin Wood and has accepted their lies about Trump's legal team. He's trying to propagate those lies here. No I'm going to have to reassess what I've heard from Robert Barnes.

This guy is transparent. His lack of answer, IS the answer.

Blogger Steve Canyon November 22, 2020 7:44 AM  

Her fraud didn't go far enough. Creepy's did.

Neither accurately assessed Trump's personality. They smoked their own supply and thought he'd either cave like Yeb or the "Orangemanbad" bleatings in the press

Blogger Up from the pond November 22, 2020 2:35 PM  

"The probability of observing 270 successive heads in a row, on a fair coin, is approximately 5.27e-82."

That's a remarkable statement. Will you show you work, please? For example, what is your limit? Mine was infinity. I would like to know what happens if the limit is set at the numbers of voters. Is it statistically impossible in an American presidential election for one candidate to get two or three million more votes than the other candidate?

"suddenly millions more people, including more abjectly stupid Americans, avail themselves of [mail-in voting] for the very first time and the rate of rejected ballots craters?"

COVID restrictions, including lockdowns, could explain the increase in mail-in ballots. And if the number of normal people submitting mail-in ballots increased, then it stands to reason that the percentage of rejectable mail-in ballots decreased. We cannot assume that the people submitting mail-in ballots in the past were smarter than average. What we know is that they were less capable.

Some mathematical arguments make sense. For example, that the number of votes in a given county exceeded the number of registered voters in that county. That's evidence of fraud. But I'm seeing many dubious arguments which purport to have something to do with math. One is that it's impossible that Biden got more votes in 2020 than Obama got in 2008 or 2012. That argument assumes that the percentage of shitbirds out there is about the same now as in 2008 or 2012. And it assumes this even after the insane hatred, the bow-tied discomfort, and the resentments harbored by widespread vested interests demonstrably snowballed since 2016.

The point is this. The last thing we need to see in any case that comes before the SCOTUS is not-ready-for-primetime Poindexters sperging about algorithmic departures and mathematical inconsistencies in front of the sagging faces of bored nonquants Kagan, Sotomayor, Thomas, Open Arms Amy, Kegger Kavanaugh, Roberts, Alito, Senile Stephen, and Gorsuch. I think that no mathematical argument, many of which are shaky anyway, will be either understood or accepted, no matter how hot the rhetoric around them is made to be, e.g. "UNPRECEDENTED algorithmic departures!" "AMAZING mathematical inconsistencies!" etc. It is preferable in any case to lead with solid, non-sperg facts such as the pause in voting, the improper restrictions on election observers, and improper ballots being accepted.

Blogger Valar Addemmis November 23, 2020 1:10 PM  

Ranger wrote:In Portuguese, "proof" means "evidência" and "evidence" means "indício". Yes, confusing... h

maybe all this means is that a lot of the people who scream "no evidence" actually have English as a second language (or were never taught proper English)


Those Portuguese term you equate to english "evidence" also correlates fairly well to a use of the term "indicator", which is used often in risk management contexts to mean something that could mean something but doesn't necessarily rise to the level of "evidence". I don't believe it gets used often in law, though.

Just thought that was interesting.

Blogger SirHamster November 23, 2020 2:50 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:That's a remarkable statement. Will you show you work, please? For example, what is your limit? Mine was infinity. I would like to know what happens if the limit is set at the numbers of voters
It is not remarkable at all. You need to do some basic statistics reading, because this is one of the first problems they teach you about.

Key phrase: "Drawing without replacement."

https://www.onlinemathlearning.com/probability-without-replacement.html

Counting votes from a giant pile of ballots is exactly like pulling different color marbles from a jar.

Is it statistically impossible in an American presidential election for one candidate to get two or three million more votes than the other candidate?
Wrong statement. It is statistically impossible to count more than 100 ballots for a single candidate consecutively given a random sample. Getting votes is an end result. Counting votes is a process and is done one at a time.

It's fine if you don't understand the statistical argument, but don't argue against its strength from ignorance.

Blogger Up from the pond November 23, 2020 10:00 PM  

SirHamster wrote:Getting votes is an end result. Counting votes is a process and is done one at a time.

However the vote totals end up, why is it impossible that, say, 8,000 valid ballots for Candidate X come in a chunk of 10,000, especially if that chunk belongs to a class of ballots known to break for one party (e.g. military ballots breaking R or mail-in ballots breaking D)?

We merely have to figure the odds of such a chunk showing up. I estimate they are substantially less than 5.27e-82. As to its being "impossible" to draw 100 consecutives from a binary (or near-binary) sample of 140,000,000, please stop pulling my leg.

Blogger SirHamster November 23, 2020 10:52 PM  

Up from the pond wrote:However the vote totals end up, why is it impossible that, say, 8,000 valid ballots for Candidate X come in a chunk of 10,000, especially if that chunk belongs to a class of ballots known to break for one party (e.g. military ballots breaking R or mail-in ballots breaking D)?
You were given sufficient information. You clearly did not bother to read or understand.

As to its being "impossible" to draw 100 consecutives from a binary (or near-binary) sample of 140,000,000, please stop pulling my leg.
Tards can lead kickass lives too.

Do you know how to calculate the odds of flipping a coin and getting heads 10 times in a row?

A marker for the correct solution is 1024.


All that said, this demonstrates why argument from statistics is not useful for persuading the majority population. Exponents are hard.

Blogger Up from the pond November 25, 2020 8:56 PM  

"argument from statistics is not useful for persuading the majority population"

Agreed.

"Exponents are hard"

I just tried to find 100! (permutations of 100 coin throws) and divide it into 140 million fair votes (sample space). I forfeit the point.

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