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Monday, November 30, 2020

The Terminator of viruses

The real problem with Covid-19 clearly isn't its virulence or its lethality so much as its inexorable commitment.

Doctors and nurses in Italy are astounded at the resilience of one Maria Orsingher, a 101-year-old who has lived through the Spanish Flu, the Second World War, and who has now survived Covid-19… three times.

Orsingher first tested positive back in the early days of the pandemic in February. “In February, mother was hospitalized in Sondalo and then also the doctor of the hospital in Sondalo, where she was treated, told us that she had never had such an elderly person come out of the coronavirus in this way, she was breathing alone and not he had a fever,” says daughter Carla.

Having recovered, the centenarian then celebrated her 101st birthday in July. Unfortunately, she was then hospitalized with a fever in September, at which point she tested positive for the disease a second time and underwent treatment for 18 days. Medical staff were amazed at her resilience and told local media the hospitalization was mostly precautionary. 

Alas, the coronavirus came for her one more time, as she tested positive again last Friday. 

Covid vs Sig. Orsingher is the Godzilla vs Mothra of 2020. 

85 comments:

  1. And yet the Taiwanese seem to be largely immune, even more so than the Swedes!

    https://www.aier.org/article/viruses-lockdowns-and-biomic-learning/

    In all the annals of Covid, Taiwan remains an outlier. Out of a population of 24 million, and an extraordinary population density of 1,739 per square mile, it registered only 573 “cases.”

    At just one test per 100,000 of population, it did the lowest rate of testing in the industrial world, restricting tests to those with symptoms. It imposed the lowest “stringency” of government policy (as measured by one of the world’s most limited lockdowns, far less severe even than Sweden’s, with scant closing of schools, restriction of travel, or banning of gatherings and other events).

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    1. Is that true? I heard that they test and quarantine anyone entering their country and did extensive testing and contact tracing early in the pandemic. That’s probably the main reason why they didn’t need lockdowns, although I would not rule out genetic immunity or social practice.

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  2. There was a theory floating around that the Kung-flu is a failed attempt at a self-spreading vaccine. Since many of the deaths are related to an over-reactive immune system, I am inclined to believe it.

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    1. It’s probably already mutated at least once. Remember the videos of Chinese dropping dead on the street or in offices? I don’t think that they were faking it. Maybe the original “gain of function “ virus was too deadly to spread effectively. If a virus kills its host very quickly it can’t spread to other hosts. There’s also some evidence that some people who have had colds (who hasn’t, I’d like to know) have some immunity; the common cold is also a coronavirus.

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  3. The inexorable commitment of the virus is best documented by running the PCR tests through just as many cycles as necessary to detect a virus fragment. Think positive!

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  4. as to the medical community... we're not dealing with geniuses here.

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  5. She needs to stop letting people test her.

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  6. Covid didn't listen. The third time, she grabs it by the ear, drags it behind the house, and paddles it severely with her second-best wooden spoon.

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    1. Haha! No match for the Italian grandma!

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  7. Getting it once doesn't make you immune even for a few months? So how exactly does this vaccine work?

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    1. More likely the tests are flawed to report false positives.

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    2. Maybe not. We don’t really get immunity for the common cold, which is also a coronavirus. But the good news is that not many people die of the common cold.

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  8. The idea of a false positive literally never occurs to them.

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    1. Of course not. Unlike all the testing procedures throughout history, the COVID test is PERFECT!

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  9. .. is never mentioned by them.

    They know full well this whole pandemic is nothing but false positives.

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  10. OK I’m sure there’s a lot of medical people too stupid to have figured that out.

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  11. How does a vaccine work for something you can get multiple times over such a short period of time?

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  12. Just test the other nostril. It'll come back negative.

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  13. @mgh:

    “Shut up, conspiracy theorist!” they explained.

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  14. Well we better hurry up and jam that vaccine approval through! People are dying by the .00001!

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  15. 8. mgh November 30, 2020 12:21 PM
    Getting it once doesn't make you immune even for a few months? So how exactly does this vaccine work?



    calm your tits, lay back and LURV THE SCIENCE you denier!

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  16. God bless that old woman. He is using her to make a mockery of the virus.

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  17. She'd better watch out for Anthony Fauci and a pillow. She screwing with his case fatality rates...

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  18. 1 true positive, and 2 false positives.

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    1. So, which one is the true positive? The first test? Did the tests get worse as time went on? Isn't technology supposed to improve? 2.0 is surely better than 1.0, right? The test in the middle? Success bracketed by failures? Or was the third test the true positive? And was there any difference that might have distinguished that bout from those which came before?

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  19. @3 If at first you don't detect covid, cycle, cycle, CYCLE again!

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  20. For some strange reason, hospitals get a bunch of money if the patient dies of covid-19. And guess what conspiracy fans, increases in deaths from covid-19 coincide with fewer people dying from other age related diseases, such as pneumonia.

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  21. Is anyone else around her getting it? In other words, is she more or less asymptomatic and otherwise unscathed by COVID? Got to wonder if her earlier exposure in life to the Spanish Flu is helping her in some odd way now.

    Got to be suspicious of those tests too.

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  22. Ah the war on the rona brings more rona!

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  23. Tested positive? Isn't it the case that once you've had it you will test positive for a very long time? My guess is she got it once and she was one of the fortunate ones for whom it is a nothing. Afterward, she got sick with something else but still had ChinkyPox antibodies, twice.

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  24. We have an advantage here in England as we can identify the the enemy of the people, in the form of Thursday night 20:00 happy clapping hour for the NHS, all doe the clap did go up %220 due to the lock down (std)..matt handcock gives his mate 30 million con flu contact. Richie washie our chancellor has made millions of the con flu 12 billion felled app track and trace, 93 % false positive test for con flu. The chicken are coming home to roost, spring to mind. However it seems great times are ahead word on the streets from prominent MPS and it's looking good for nigel of the Brexit party (Reform UK).The God emperor Trump has plans for Nigel.

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  25. Crew wrote:In all the annals of Covid, Taiwan remains an outlier. Out of a population of 24 million, and an extraordinary population density of 1,739 per square mile, it registered only 573 “cases.”

    At just one test per 100,000 of population, it did the lowest rate of testing in the industrial world, restricting tests to those with symptoms.

    Golly gee, it's almost as if the testing causes the cases! Whoda thunk it?

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  26. Getting it once doesn't make you immune even for a few months? So how exactly does this vaccine work?

    It wouldn't, obviously. Not in the definition of "vaccine" anyway. That's why we don't have vaccines for colds. There's no point in vaccinating for something if you won't retain the antibodies for more than a few months.

    But now "vaccine" means "any shot the government and medical establishment want you to take," so you even get people talking about taking a vaccine for a disease you already have.

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  27. There is no flu. There are no other diseases. No other causes of sickness and death. There is only the Assumed-Suspected-Likely-Probable-Presumed Corona-Cooties. If you get sick, it’s the Assumed-Suspected-Likely-Probable-Presumed Corona-Cooties. If you get sick and die, it’s the Assumed-Suspected-Likely-Probable-Presumed Corona-Cooties. It is a jealous virus, and there shall be no other viruses, no other causes of sickness or death, before it.

    Don't forget to get your mRNA-RNA-DNA Vaccine.

    And just a reminder. The 13 Million+ who have tested positive for the CASES! are not dropping dead in the streets, nor are their bodies being stacked on the sidewalks, like we all saw in those China PsyOps videos.

    I have been exposed to 14 CASES! this year. Haven't had so much as the sniffles. Of the 14, 11 had no symptoms, and 3 had the sniffles. None have died, none have been hospitalized and/or ventilated to death. Mind you, these were people wearing face diapers. Myself and my family don't.

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    1. I've had close contact with CASES! This week, loss of smell the positive test the whole shebang. Waiting to see what happens, considering getting a test in the hopes that I can avoid a mandatory vaccine that way. After all, my Prime Minister is "full of antibodies and as fit as a butcher's dog" so the same should be true for me, right? Right?

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  28. Apparently Covid is actually a magical Antigeria Drug... Not one person has died of old age since May!

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  29. Did she bring any papayas with her?

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  30. @8 The vaccine does not immunize you. Unz has a good story on this, with sources from Forbes.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/

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  31. Lifelong drinker and smoker I used to work deals with caught it, he was 70/71. Died pretty quick, 3 days from going to the ER to vent to dead.

    Two other distant acquaintances got it really bad, one is still in the hospital. Most people just got a flu but with no sense of smell.

    Detroit metro area was passing it around hard in both the spring and last month.

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  32. @8 The vaccine does not provide immunity. It does not prevent infection. It does not prevent serious complications or death. Unz has a good writeup, sourced from Forbes.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/

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  33. Most people just got a flu but with no sense of smell.

    Or not even flu. I recently had what I thought was a common cold, but lost my sense of smell, and it still hasn’t come back even though my nose is clear.

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  34. @32 Why is Trump hyping this garbage?

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  35. I heard the astronauts brought COVID back from the moon.
    Damn it! They did everything else right.

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  36. On one side, the medical establishment is pushing the test beyond its limits, resulting in false positives, because more cases means more money, more panic, more pressure for a vaccine. On the other side, communities like mine are urging healthy people to get tested as often as possible to bring the positivity rate down, in hopes that the state will let shops open up more. Between those two motives distorting the numbers in opposite directions, the numbers are meaningless.

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  37. "3 days from going to the ER to vent to dead."

    To vent to dead.

    And how many Doctors and Nurses have we heard now telling them to stop ventilating these people? Right! They're not experts, they are kooks and quacks.

    Anyhow. Vitamin C, D3, and Zinc, with a good swig of Fever-Tree Tonic Water, every other day.

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  38. I had three people in my crews get the Dreaded Chinkypox. One was quite sick, was hospitalized for a few days. One lost his sense of smell, but had no other symptoms. One had no symptoms, period. That last was almost surely a false positive.

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  39. "Eh Coroana, che cazzo fai? I've got cooking to do, so va al diavolo!"

    Them old' Eye-talian ladies are tough as old leather.

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  40. And now Santa Clara County tells us we must quarantine for 14 days if we travel more than 150 miles away from home.

    How are they going to be able to tell that we have done either?

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  41. If you think the medical industrial complex is above murdering someone for that $39,000 that they get for putting a kung-flu victim on a vent I would like to sell you some pristine ocean front land in NM

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  42. I still have 100 lira sitting around somewhere that I will put on the centagenarian Italian mama

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  43. What we may be dealing with is different mutations of coronachan as it spreads globally. Mutations happen just as the weather invariably changes. Usually, the "older" a virus gets, the less lethal it gets. But this is not a natural, organic virus. Parts of it were biomanufactured. And, not every mutation is significant as far as the virus's ease of infection or lethality is concerned. Then again, some mutations are indeed significant.

    Which brings me to the efficacy of vaccines. Will a vaccine developed in the US protect against a variant of coronachan in Italy? Will we be able to develop a vaccine for every iteration of coronachan? Highly unlikely.

    You shouldn't "follow the Science" if Science is hopelessly lost and won't even stop to ask for directions.

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  44. PCR tests are meaningless.

    The creators of the test openly admit the testis based on a totally theoretical RNA sequence from our Chicom friends:

    https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

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  45. Crew wrote:And now Santa Clara County tells us we must quarantine for 14 days if we travel more than 150 miles away from home.

    Numbers must be great there if they think travelling anywhere else increases exposure. Travel restrictions are literally all you need to know about to debunk this whole nonsense.

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  46. Greg wrote:So, which one is the true positive?
    Why do you assume any of them is accurate? Theoretically, at over 100 years of age, she'd have about a 50% chance of even surviving, let alone recovering without significant impact.

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  47. Unknown wrote:Lifelong drinker and smoker I used to work deals with caught it, he was 70/71. Died pretty quick, 3 days from going to the ER to vent to dead.

    I have an uncle who is a lifelong drinker and smoker and lost 25+kg fighting 2 different types of cancer. When he got the corona I thought that was it, but ,thankfully, he recovered.

    Also a cousin, who was recently laid to rest because of melanoma, contracted the covid-19 during his treatment, but it was asymptomatic...

    Their immune system had to be quite weakened, still the covid was not severe. Makes me wonder if it all comes down to personal susceptibility.

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  48. A 101 year old woman getting sick is not news. COVID tests are obviously worthless. Elon Musk tested 4 times in one day, 2 positive and 2 negative. You'll get similar results testing a grapefruit.

    The whole thing is just a scam. Anyone see that Johns Hopkins study that said there was no impact to overall deaths due to COVID? They found that deaths from other causes had dropped an equivalent amount vs the COVID deaths... of course it was quickly yanked/censored.

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    1. It's archived here

      https://web.archive.org/web/20201122214034/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

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  49. @51: There seems to be some sort of correlation between obesity and lack of ability to fight the 'Rona.

    Perhaps it has to do with the fact that vitamin D is fat soluble and thus not available to help fight the 'Rona.

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  50. It never occurs to the experts this old lady has Delta Force for an immune system and is toying with covid like you would with a retard.

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  51. I remember my grandmother getting the flu-virus, then flu complication pneumonia. And she died. Like thousands of others. I don't remember the face diaper cult demanding everyone wear a face diaper for grandma, or any other numbers of grandmas who died of flu-virus complications. Think of the lives we could have saved if we had worn face diapers from birth. Or, maybe their lives didn't matter. And only the Corona-Cooties lives matter, because the they told us that they matter?

    Now I wonder, am I a flu-virus murderer? Have I ever passed on the flu-virus to someone, someone in my family, maybe a stranger, who died of flu-virus complications? I will contemplate that as I wear a face diaper for life, building up the exhaust from my lungs on the inside of my face diaper, creating my own viral-load.

    Will I ever forgive myself? I will now immerse myself into virtuous self-pity at the possibility of being a virus-murderer.

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  52. I did read today where CDC is considering dropping the 14 day quarantine for people who've been exposed to someone else w a confirmed case down to 10 or even 7 days.

    Apparently large majority of those who do catch it are showing symptoms within the shorter window.

    Someone w some sense realizing 14 days discourages people from participating in contact tracing efforts.

    Back to my wife's illness last week: moderate fever, peak only at 101, but felt really bad for 3 days: head and body aches, chills. Then mild headache and fatigue a few more days after fever gone. Never had respiratory symptoms.

    Did wonder if COVID, but both rapid test and a full test negative. Also negative for flu. No signs of sinus infection it UTI. I had taking even more D3 and C for a few days, plus zinc and quercetin.

    Head scratcher. Virus X? Or maybe COVID after all but a test failure? Doc thinks rapid test has higher false negatives than claimed, but standard test?
    I felt mildly cruddy earlier last week but never a fever.

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  53. Japanese women are struggling not with the virus, but with the restrictions and the social isolation, there committing suicde at an alarming rate, my wife was at hospital last week and they had 2000 empty beds, we will never no how many people have died this year through the incompetence of the governments handling of this scamdemic.

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  54. But as an M.D. the obvious thing is she is having the typical URIs of the elderly, it's incidental that she tests positive since the test for COVID is garbage. The fact that hospital-based docs keep responding to the test as if it were Gospel really angers me.

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  55. Covid-19 aka the retarded terminator virus. Can't die and can't be killed.

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  56. So much for the immunity after testing positive myth.

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  57. @55, Right. They've been telling us for years that tens of thousands of people, especially elderly, die every winter from the flu. They get the flu, it weakens them and wears down their immune system, and they die of pneumonia or other conditions they already had. It was their justification for pushing a flu vaccine every year, yet they never suggested doing anything else to prevent the flu from spreading, other than basic hygiene.

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  58. Them old' Eye-talian ladies are tough as old leather.

    And now you know the dark secret of exactly where VD gets his 'goatskins' for the Libraria Castalia books. And why production of same has been delayed - they just won't die!

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  59. No way I'm betting against an Italian matriarch.

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  60. Interesting how ANTIFA is in the COVID mix:

    https://www.rt.com/news/507389-berlin-germany-covid-protests-video/

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  61. 9. Snidely Whiplash November 30, 2020 12:23 PM
    The idea of a false positive literally never occurs to them.



    never occurs to them? they literally COUNT on False Positives.

    that's why they run 40 cycles per sample.


    61. Owen November 30, 2020 4:57 PM
    the common cold is also a coronavirus.


    SOME Common Colds. Coronaviruses historically account for about 15% of CC afflictions with the majority being caused by Rhinovirus variants.

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  62. Centurion Revolt wrote:So much for the immunity after testing positive myth.

    Why? Someone who's had it surely would test "positive" a second time using those defective testers! Besides, just testing opositve m only means there's some bits of virus of some sort, in you; not that you're sick again!

    Don't confuse testing positive with actually having the disease!

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  63. Defective tests.

    Based on Elon's experience they are coin flips for positive.

    To a larger extent when you read the literature of how it works with an engineering mindset it is laughably garbage. Repeated RNA synthesis into DNA and testing on a fragment is not science or the neighbor of science.
    But if you believe in these tests then Biden winning without cheating isn't a stretch.

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  64. VFM #7634 wrote: Most people just got a flu but with no sense of smell.

    Or not even flu. I recently had what I thought was a common cold, but lost my sense of smell, and it still hasn’t come back even though my nose is clear.


    It may come back in a few months if you make sure you eat right. And sleep well.

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    1. Lost my sense of smell. But inwas on a hunting trip so it didn't stop me. Wife was much sicker

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  65. Ominous Cowherd wrote:I had three people in my crews get the Dreaded Chinkypox. One was quite sick, was hospitalized for a few days. One lost his sense of smell, but had no other symptoms. One had no symptoms, period. That last was almost surely a false positive.

    They probably have a Zinc deficiency as a result of the infection. So they need to top up on Zinc to restore their sense of smell over time.


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/karen-selick/coronavirus-crisis-reopens-150-year-old-controversy/

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  66. @28 "That's why we don't have vaccines for colds. There's no point in vaccinating for something if you won't retain the antibodies for more than a few months."

    I don't think that's correct. A common-cold vaccine that actually worked would give you some immunity to that specific version of the cold virus: usually rhino, sometimes {cue scary music} CORONA virus. Several corona and many rhino viruses have caused the common cold to run through the U.S./world.

    The rhino virus, like the flu virus, mutates constantly; it reassorts its genetics via contact/swapping bits with other viruses, so that sort-of effective for the last rhino/corona virus vaccine only partially works, or sometimes doesn't work at all, on the next year's mutated version.

    By analogy, each year's flu "vaccine" is a mix of possibles; Pharma's best guess of which of the many possible viruses might make the flu sweep through each winter. Some years they hit it very well, some year's they're off by a mile. Hence, a "bad" flu season.

    The vaccine doesn't change, the immunity doesn't weaken that quickly; the virus outpaces our drugs: its a bio-arms race and we usually lose!

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  67. @30 "Not one person has died of old age since May!"

    Those shock-value seizure videos got the world’s attention. Odd how there was no seizures anywhere else outside of Wuhan ... and odd how the mainstream media has never reported that fact.


    Absolute stunner of an article, by a stats prof. The graphs are amazing! And there's a fellow "Maxwell" in the comments with fantastic data...

    John Hopkins University originally published this study by "Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master's degree program at Hopkins," but after it was vaporized, now you can only see the archive here [https://web.archive.org/web/20201122214034/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19] from which:

    "These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States."
    ...
    "Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same."
    {and}
    ...
    .. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.
    ...

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  68. @40 "Anyhow. Vitamin C, D3, and Zinc, with a good swig of Fever-Tree Tonic Water, every other day."

    Ideally, add Quercetine with bromelain -- Quer.serves as the ionophor doing what hydroxychlorquine does; either one is the agent that helps move the zinc into the lung cells. The zinc prevents viruses from hijacking the cells' reproductive machinery, which destroys the lung tissue. But, the tests that say hydroxy "doesn't work" nearly all gave it to patients already in the ICU when the lung cells were already shot, and usually without the zinc! GREAT way to knock down a cheap 60-cents/pill replacement for the $300/pill Remdesivir.

    You CAN take Quer. and zinc prophylactically -- i.e., as a preventive. Google the recommended doses; it's not expensive. Keep your D3 levels high -- take 5,000 IU a day. The excellent vit. D specialist Dr Holtorf recommends: *10k* IU/day PLUS 50K IU once a week. You want to bring your serum (blood) levels up around 60-70 ng/dL.

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  69. "1 true positive, and 2 false positives."

    I wouldn't bet on even one, and it's not even a false positive. It's a "creatively detected" positive of a "creatively described" "creative disease". If you don't get it, look up "creative acquisition".

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  70. "My guess is she got it once and she was one of the fortunate ones for whom it is a nothing."

    And I'm one of the fortunate ones who hasn't been killed by a lightning strike.

    "That's why we don't have vaccines for colds."

    Haha, yes we do have vaccines for colds, did you notice the clowns here in clownworld?

    "The vaccine does not immunize you."

    Thank you Captain! Any word on what it was actually designed to do? This is a bit too big of a psyop for it to just be about making bank off of snake oil injection sales.

    "More likely the tests are flawed to report false positives."

    Naive. They're working as intended.

    "It’s probably already mutated at least once. Remember the videos of Chinese dropping dead on the street or in offices? I don’t think that they were faking it. Maybe the original “gain of function “ virus was too deadly to spread effectively. If a virus kills its host very quickly it can’t spread to other hosts."

    It's a nice thought, and matches long term propagation of diseases being inversely proportional to their lethality. Well, at least, right up until you remember that the latency period has always ended long after the contagious period began, and just how long that interim is.

    For reals? It was here in the states and had already passed by before they even announced the first cases. It didn't take five+ months to get around the world, it was already on the second lap sometime during month one or two of it being recognized.

    "We don’t really get immunity for the common cold, which is also a coronavirus."

    Vice-versa: The corona virus, which is also a common cold.

    Thank you, no, I'm nowhere near peak cynicism yet, and still batting a thousand on my crown-bullshit virus predictions since early March. Next prediction, one of the real reasons for quarantine is to keep people from organizing open revolt against Glob Of Homos inc. One of the other reasons is to shoehorn more people into the force multipliers of malicious social media corporations.

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  71. Rhinovirus keeps on spreading. All the other viruses are gone.

    Outworld in data shows positive tests way outstrip deaths from

    Excess deaths are close to zero some negative net maybe small positive.


    What’s going on??

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  72. "What’s going on??"

    Thousands of pathological liars lying, and unable to keep the story straight.

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