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Sunday, November 29, 2020

This is civil war

If what Gen. McInerney is saying is true, the US is already in a state of civil war:

Lt General Thomas McInerney and Lt General Michael Flynn gave interviews to WVW Broadcasting Network today. It was Flynn’s first interview since his pardon. In stunning testimony, McInerney stated his sources have told him U.S. Army Special Forces, possibly the famed Delta Force, raided the CIA-run server farm in Frankfurt, Germany.

5 soldiers were killed in the ensuing firefight, as well as one CIA paramilitary; the CIA personnel were allegedly flown in from Afghanistan for security, according to related news reports.

It is worth observing that is at least four more fatalities than were suffered by both sides combined at Fort Sumter. Of course, it's only technically civil war, since the CIA is loyal to the globalists, not to the American nation.

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149 Comments:

Blogger pyrrhus November 29, 2020 8:53 AM  

McInerney is a real warfighter, with more than 400 missions, so don't doubt him at all...but we, of course, don't know his sources

Blogger Canadian Warlord November 29, 2020 8:57 AM  

If this is true, we're seeing the same split as the "Twilight 2000" game. Which I believe was written by CIA game theorists?

MilGov vs. Civgov. Military versus CIA. In that scenario, it's outside pressure that brings the split. Here and now I expect the opposite - if the USA really is in internal turmoil, a foreign power may take advantage.

Blogger McChuck November 29, 2020 8:57 AM  

It was most likely the group stationed in Germany. They're only an hour or so from Frankfurt by Autobahn.

Blogger Gary Hoenig November 29, 2020 8:57 AM  

Wow. Just wow. My biases are screaming this isn’t legit, but it does seem possible, even likely.

Blogger #7139 November 29, 2020 9:01 AM  

This is civil war

Yup

Blogger glueballs November 29, 2020 9:07 AM  

Any doubt that loyal Americans will kill other loyal Americans? The guys sent in to do this job are the best of the best and even they lost five guys. Personally, I don’t eat at Five Guys but that’s a personal dietary preference.

Blogger Balkan Yankee November 29, 2020 9:12 AM  

If McInerney's sources are correct, then the CIA likely knew the miltary was coming beforehand given the disproportionate casualty count favoring the CIA. That also likely means the CIA smoked the servers before the military could recover them intact.

Blogger Lazarus November 29, 2020 9:14 AM  

McInerny did an interview on Nov. 1 revealing the problem with the Dominion computers in great detail.

davejanda.com

Blogger Harry_the_Horrible November 29, 2020 9:15 AM  

Did they get the servers?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2020 9:16 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:McInerney is a real warfighter,...
McCain was a ``war hero,'' so I'm still skeptical.

Blogger Lazarus November 29, 2020 9:22 AM  

I would not be surprised if the Art of the Deal guy is working out a way for Biden to concede in exchange for not subjecting him to a firing squad.

Blogger PubliusFlavius November 29, 2020 9:24 AM  

imo the 'first shots' fired, were all the lies coming at us from from Fux news et all.

stealing elections is an act of war.

Maria is one of the few uncorrupted ones left, has the president on today.

Blogger Done with it all November 29, 2020 9:26 AM  

This cannot stand. We let it get here. We have to fix it. It is our sacred duty. If we don't we are not free and our children will be slaves. This is a hill worth dying for. "And we burned in the camps, as we didn't love freedom enough". - Sholtzinietzen (sp?)

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume November 29, 2020 9:29 AM  

I can't find a link right now but there was an anonymous report last night on one of the chans that gave a more detailed account of what McInerney said. They mentioned that the Army deaths were passed off as a helicopter crash in Eygpt and the CIA officer was killed in Somalia. There are MSM articles that would appear to corroborate that.

https://apnews.com/article/egypt-peacekeeping-forces-israel-middle-east-7b8ed7e765afc9196ff7b595c7865cbc


https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/25/politics/cia-officer-killed-somalia/index.html

Blogger Unknown November 29, 2020 9:31 AM  

As if we needed more evidence that the entire CIA needs to be nuked from fucking orbit.

Blogger tuberman November 29, 2020 9:31 AM  

@1

>> but we, of course, don't know his sources

What does that even mean, "don't know his sources?" He appeared on with General Flynn. So, if we had the people remaining who actually carried out the op, what would you say next? That you need videos of the full op with picture of everyone involved during the op, and even during the firefight? Well, then you could say, "That can be staged." And, BTW, you can ask, "Please tell us about who gave you the Green Light."

I'll bet you can come up with even some more "stuff" for absolute, pure, proof.

Are General Flynn and General Thomas McInerney credible to you? That's the question, and if not, why not?

Blogger shoe November 29, 2020 9:33 AM  

Impossible that didn't make intrrnational headlines.

Blogger Starhemberg November 29, 2020 9:34 AM  

“Related news reports “ those would be ?????

Blogger Rick November 29, 2020 9:35 AM  

I’m not inclined to doubt Gen Flynn. I have no reason to. And it seems unnecessary for him to say it, unless it’s for our sake because it’s true. Sort of like a heads up to be prepared. I’m going with: true.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 29, 2020 9:36 AM  

@Canadian Warlord? May take advantage?

What part of CCP's "War By Other Means" are you not understanding?

Blogger Troy Lee Messer November 29, 2020 9:37 AM  

Didn't Sydney say something a few days ago about stuff falling into the hands of the good guys? Is this that?

Blogger Beans: Soaked and Strained November 29, 2020 9:38 AM  

In the linked video the juicy info from Lt Gen McInerney starts at approximately 43 minutes into the interview

Blogger 7916 November 29, 2020 9:38 AM  

Twilight 2000 did have a pretty believable backstory, and brings back good game memories. I'll have to dig out the base game manual to refresh.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 29, 2020 9:39 AM  

MilGov vs. Civgov. Military versus CIA. In that scenario, it's outside pressure that brings the split. Here and now I expect the opposite - if the USA really is in internal turmoil, a foreign power may take advantage.

My father is expecting the Chinese to go all-in on the side of the Democrat states if there’s an actual split. The red states would have a decided advantage otherwise, but millions of PLA troops backing up the Democrats might negate that, like a bigger version of the Angolan Civil War where Cuba got involved.

Blogger VD November 29, 2020 9:43 AM  

If McInerney's sources are correct, then the CIA likely knew the miltary was coming beforehand given the disproportionate casualty count favoring the CIA. That also likely means the CIA smoked the servers before the military could recover them intact.

Not necessarily. It's always more dangerous if you're trying to capture rather than kill. Also, even wiped servers can be recovered. If they didn't have the time to physically destroy them, the data will likely be recovered.

Blogger Andy Texan November 29, 2020 9:47 AM  

Mike Adams has reported this as well from his sources. See naturalnews.com situation podcast.

Blogger DonReynolds November 29, 2020 9:51 AM  

Oh no. Now the Leftists will point to this story as PROOF that the ballots were stored in a secure location, even if that location was outside the USA. The fact that data farm security shot it out with regular Army Special Forces, resulting in six deaths (with no mention of wounded), screams that the data farm computers were not just laying around (like the ballots themselves) for "outsiders" to tamper with. Of course, the voting data was in the hands of "outsiders" to begin with and the shoot-out resulted when they refused entry to the US military on foreign soil.

None of that information should have ever left the United States.... Not to India or Germany or China or Russia. In fact, I would even say state voting data should not even leave the state to a national center. The states conduct the election and the two pairs of individuals seeking national office are merely a sideshow. In the Constitution, it is the state legislatures that cast the Electoral College votes, not the pretense of any popular vote. That is why all the wrangling over the popular vote is nothing more than a public relations contest. The President (and VP) have never been elected by the voters and won't be in 2020 either.

One final point, that never gets mentioned, is the legal concept of "confusion". This may be why WE keep seeing mention of the fact that it is no longer possible to separate the illegal votes from the legal votes, for a number of reasons... including the fact that the required envelopes have been deliberately discarded or destroyed. If you have used deceit to get some of my marbles and mixed them in with your marbles, so that MY marbles cannot be identified with certainty, then you may lose them all to me, because you made it impossible to identify the marbles that are mine.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 29, 2020 9:51 AM  

@balkan
The standard rule is attacker 3x of the defender for success. More fortification. Whether time constraints or need for discretion ruling out a larger force, might not have had optimum numbers.

Blogger d November 29, 2020 9:54 AM  

President Nixon was deposed by boastful Pol Pot devotees of Harvard Law, aided and abetted by everyone who is anyone in the Western hemisphere.

And no one was executed.


The republic was lost long ago to the same judeo-atheist mystics who tortured some sixty six million Christian peasants to death in the USSR. For fun.

The point is, let's get past this bit about believing some self-employed lawyer is going to fix this. We are ruled by lawless, merciless mystics. There is no "this ends badly" because progressive degeneracy has no bottom. (And so new beginning.) We must fix this ourselves.

Manually. Physically.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 29, 2020 9:58 AM  

If this is literally true, have to watch out for diversion with the China-Iran-Russia stuff.
Real issue is our internal bastards.
Of course our competitors would snoop if not meddle, just like we (CIA?) would.
Traitors first.

Blogger LoneWolf November 29, 2020 10:01 AM  

On a related note:
"https://www.timesofisrael.com/nuke-chiefs-death-said-to-be-highpoint-of-israeli-efforts-to-sabotage-iran/"

I look for Israeli involvement in the Frankfurt job as well.

Blogger Starhemberg November 29, 2020 10:01 AM  

Did you not say the servers were irrelevant, if the data Pakets were sent ?

Blogger Sam November 29, 2020 10:03 AM  

The CIA possessed defensive advantage. The op had to be swift; guards were given orders to destroy equipment if breached (they always are).

SF may have walked into a kill-zone, or set off a claymore. Likely given the speed necessary.


Blogger tuberman November 29, 2020 10:05 AM  

@OC

>> McCain was a ``war hero,'' so I'm still skeptical.

McStain was Never a "war hero" in the actual military, and the info on him being a traitor had been out a long time. General Thomas McInerney was introduced by General Flynn, and there's never been an undercurrent of General Thomas McInerney taking the ticket. The fact that he was introduced here by Flynn is a message.

Blogger JWM in SD November 29, 2020 10:08 AM  

I listened to the whole thing. What they're advocating is for Trump to ignore the EC deadlines and stay in office to keep his oath against enemies foreign and domestic. If Flynn were not on that call himself my first reaction would be that this is disinformation. It still could be albeit it implicates Flynn. This is straining credulity. Its either Smith Mundt disinformation or it's real. Either way, we're going to find out by the 14th of December. God help us if it's real because the deep state is going to release their own Krakens to stop it and they won't give a shit about the public at large.

Blogger Gregory the Tall November 29, 2020 10:11 AM  

https://www.sott.net/article/444955-United-States-European-Command-USEUCOM-did-take-control-of-Vote-Switching-Servers-in-Germany

Blogger David Stanley November 29, 2020 10:13 AM  

If...

Blogger JWM in SD November 29, 2020 10:13 AM  

Mine too. The only thing that keeps me from dismissing completely is the fact that Flynn was on the call essentially saying that we are already in 4GW with ccp. He echoed what SP has been saying just short of commenting on the servers in Frankfurt. We're going to know in short order if this bullshit.

Blogger Doom November 29, 2020 10:17 AM  

VD wrote:If McInerney's sources are correct, then the CIA likely knew the miltary was coming beforehand given the disproportionate casualty count favoring the CIA. That also likely means the CIA smoked the servers before the military could recover them intact.

Not necessarily. It's always more dangerous if you're trying to capture rather than kill. Also, even wiped servers can be recovered. If they didn't have the time to physically destroy them, the data will likely be recovered.


Sydney Powell said these data were being compiled. This one specifically. If I believe some information from Canada, Spain, and maybe another place in Germany, were also providing material. I don't think they destroyed even that server. Or... they had an offsite backup, which was also grabbed. Especially if they were more prepared than the enemy, which would match with them having been watching and knowing for a while.

Blogger pyrrhus November 29, 2020 10:19 AM  

@23. And certainly, if this facility was guarded by Afghan paramilitary, it was a lot more than one...I expect the others were captured (or killed later) and are being interrogated on some military base, along with any CIA personnel at the site.

Blogger Elder Son November 29, 2020 10:19 AM  

It's also possible that the CIA Paramilitary could have been there within minutes catching the SFOD-D off guard. More than likely, there already was a CIA Paramilitary detachment on sight, the SFOD-D having to brute their way in on unfamiliar ground, being time is of the essence. BTW, the CIA Paramilitary is no joke. And some may have even known each other, maybe.

I guess no one reads Robert Ludlum or Tom Clancy?

Blogger Guy Incognito November 29, 2020 10:23 AM  

The thing is, there have been pictures of the servers being loaded that have been circulating around the web. If legit, I don't think they had time to "smoke the servers".

I say that because I've literally assisted a CIA station that was closing shop inside an embassy in a hurry.

No, I'm not some secret squirrel, I just held a clearance and they needed help destroying tons of stuff.

In addition to whatever software wipes were done to the hard drives, we pulled every motherboard and every chip on the motherboard and destroyed them with hammers.

I don't mean just CPUs. I mean hard drive controllers, motherboard north/ south bridge. All PCB was folded and snapped at least twice, and all hard drives were drilled repeatedly through the platter area before being crushed with a hydraulic press.

IF the pictures I've seen circulating are legit, and IF the account of the raid is correct, the bad actors were likely caught by surprise.

Blogger boron November 29, 2020 10:24 AM  

My first thought, looking at the forest, is that no matter who comes out on top, the Socialist-Progressives have attained their objective:
total disruption of the United States of America.

Blogger MidnightSun November 29, 2020 10:29 AM  

The covert civil war has been going on for decades. Only now has it shown its ugly face and come into the mainstream. Many have died by 'mysterious means' over this decades long war; Journalists, movie stars, politicians, and citizens trying to expose the real enemy have been silenced. I believe it has been a Mossad operation from the start. Only now are we seeing the build up of actions of those who have been subverting the United States for decades and those trying to fight off this chameleon of an enemy.
"There Will Be War" a great title by Jerry Pournelle that our host and Castalia House provide us with is a good read on the subject.

Blogger sykes.1 November 29, 2020 10:36 AM  

This cannot possibly be true. Even if McInerney said it, he has no first hand information.

If this story did happen, there would be shooting in the streets of DC right now.

Blogger Canadian Warlord November 29, 2020 10:38 AM  

Arthur Isaac,
Should have clarified: foreign power taking advantage in a foreign theatre. And you're correct, there has already been advantage taken on USA home turf, by foreign powers. I think the two situations can feed each other in an unstable oscillation.

Blogger OVB November 29, 2020 10:43 AM  

I just listened to McInerney’s portion of the interview. To be clear, he said that he believes the servers will show the real magnitude of the vote switching, and that this will probably be done at the Supreme Court. So, from his perspective at least, he doesn’t think the CIA was able to destroy the server data. Still, five soldiers dead in one raid is a massive casualty list. Oof.

Blogger Moonman's Ray-Ban Sunglasses November 29, 2020 10:49 AM  

I was up early and saw our host posting this in real time. I've had a few hours to mull it over and ruminate.

The five casualties, if accurate, says to me it was not coordinated as well as some of these things normally are and/or the offending parties were on a heightened footing. SWAT goes in with a pre-ordained amount of force. Special Forces more so. That means either a) they were expected and b) the Special Forces guys expected zero resistance from pencil pushers and c) they were operators and not pencil pushers and d) both sides had expressed sanction to throw fire. It turned out no to be effective fire because Americans were shooting at other Americans.

One out of four means War. I'm embracing the power of 'AND'.

Blogger Dole November 29, 2020 10:50 AM  

@47 Do you have the transcript, at which point does he mention the dead soldiers?

Blogger Duh November 29, 2020 10:54 AM  

Five dead special forces ops means a heavily guarded server containing valuable data.

If the server was wiped there is little need for this much firepower.

Blogger FLOlson November 29, 2020 10:55 AM  

I am so thankful Trump is still the sitting POTUS. His head and reactions are cool, calm, and collected. Right now, this is still at a low level of actual fighting. Fighting justified by Trump's EOs. I think back on the Southern hotheads who were itching for war before trying other ways to avoid it before attacking Ft. Sumter, giving the North a reason to invade. A Civil War II will most likely be devastating for too many of us.

That said, if Biden is seated as POTUS by corrupt courts, after they see the evidence presented from the servers, etc., there will be no other choice.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 29, 2020 11:01 AM  

@40 pyrrhus
Not Afghan paramilitary.
American CIA paramilitary who'd been brought from Afghan theater. Likely former SOF types themselves

Blogger JWM in SD November 29, 2020 11:01 AM  

I agree it may not be true but why would there be shooting in the streets of DC now?? No, if true,, that comes after the masses realize Trump is not leaving. We'll know by the 14th.

Blogger Cappuccinobear November 29, 2020 11:02 AM  

"We will know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
William Casey CIA director in his 1st 1981 staff meeting.

Blogger Arthur Isaac November 29, 2020 11:03 AM  

@skyes "This cannot possibly be true. Even if McInerney said it, he has no first hand information."

Could you explain the epistemological process where you rule out what a total stranger has available as first hand information? I didn't see that stated anywhere.

"If this story did happen, there would be shooting in the streets of DC right now."

Why? Who leads who? Who starts shooting at who? Cold wars heating up don't result in linear escalation or we'd all be playing Fallout IRL.

Blogger TMLutas November 29, 2020 11:06 AM  

It's not civil war yet. Prior to Sumter there was a declaration of secession and violence quickly led to population movements so that people could get on the right side of the lines. Prior to current events, not so much and the movements aren't happening. That's not only a distinction but a major difference.

When Bosnia descended into civil war they were living cheek to jowl with each other. That changed pretty quickly and shows that humans haven't changed much when well mixed populations have a civil war.

When we get population movement like that in the USA, then it'll be civil war.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast November 29, 2020 11:08 AM  

I hope it's real and Trump finally does what he has to do to put these animals down, no matter how many people get taken out.

He should also issue an EO declaring these lockdowns unconstitutional along with social distancing rules, nask mandates, etc.

If he'd done all these things from the start, he might have gotten 90 or 100 million votes instead of 70 or 80 million.

Blogger "William Berke" November 29, 2020 11:09 AM  

This makes sense, the media has been preparing viewers for death tolls they don't understand all year.

Blogger Riejun November 29, 2020 11:11 AM  

Many "U.S." agencies have foreign elements that are only loyal to those U.S. agencies. CIA, SOF, other agencies have a lot of foreign mercs working directly for them OR have access to these mercs on a moments notice. The CIA paramilitary teams (depending on mission) are a mix of former U.S. military and these foreign mercs. Both CIA and SOF can easily tap into foreign militaries as well.

Blogger Felix Bellator November 29, 2020 11:18 AM  

@24 VFM #7634 - Chinese all in for Democrat states?

1. Democrat "states" are mostly city-states surrounded by a lot of "red" territory.
2. How long and wide is the logistical tail that China can use to project force into U.S. territory?

Are the Chinese capable of disrupting large American cities? Definitely, but the two dozen Dormers would play merry hell too. But invasion? We should be so lucky and grateful for the opportunity, sort of.

Blogger Stilicho November 29, 2020 11:23 AM  

How are they gonna get millions of chinx here? Plus, I am no fan of china but this is not how they try to project power. Boomer fantasy.

Blogger Crew November 29, 2020 11:24 AM  

@45: I don't think you understand what they will do to keep us enslaved!

I pray for those who died to bring us the truth!

Blogger Stilicho November 29, 2020 11:25 AM  

Biden conceding in order to stop the lawsuits and concurrent public examination of the fraud, treason, etc. is a very real possibility.

Blogger DiGi377 November 29, 2020 11:25 AM  

Slightly off topic byt Thomas Wictor's analysis of the Iranian event is worth a look. Uploaded 11/28 on YT.

Blogger Stilicho November 29, 2020 11:27 AM  

Meh, don't apply the McCain brush to anyone who served. John McTreasonstain was a special kind of evil.

Blogger liberranter November 29, 2020 11:29 AM  

Of course, it's only technically civil war, since the CIA is loyal to the globalists, not to the American nation.

This is a VERY important point to remember.

Also, can we assume, based on this incident (and assuming for now that McInerney's source was both accurate and truthful) that the U.S. military's Special Ooerations Forces are loyal to the Constitution and the People of the United States (and thus, in this case, the President)? If the answer to that question is "yes," then that is VERY bad news for the Cabal.

Blogger Joeplanet November 29, 2020 11:29 AM  

The difference here is that people in the military/former military regard him as a hero. Not the media. Learn some discernment.

Blogger SmokeyJoe November 29, 2020 11:38 AM  

@Canadian Warlord @7916

Twilight 2000. That brings back some fun gaming memories!

Blogger Johnny November 29, 2020 11:41 AM  

On an even odds bet, I would take it that the shootout didn't happen. Too perfect, too much of a fun fact to be true. On a did they seize the server, an easy it happen.

No idea if it is reliable, but the following gets into this stuff a little more.
https://www.monkeywerxus.com/

Blogger carnaby November 29, 2020 11:46 AM  

Wanted: killer evidence like audio/video of obama delivering 100k votes in person and laughing like a maniacal villain while confessing to all the crime.

Needed: Trump victory

The election was obviously corrupt and unfair on a million levels. Continue to hope and know that you cannot have all the information at this point. Be ready in the event you can play a part. If some of the evidence turns out to be silly bunk, so what? Couldn't be worse than having a serially creepy senile old fool for president. That's more unbelievable than all the conspiracies combined.

Go Trump!

Blogger Doktor Jeep November 29, 2020 11:47 AM  

It's feasible that the CIA would attempt to maintain a record of what happened. Information is control.

Blogger Gregory the Tall November 29, 2020 11:47 AM  

"Either way, we're going to find out by the 14th of December."

Question to lawyers:
Is there really no way of reversing or delaying the decisions of the electoral college if there are no clear and final court decisions by the 14th of Dec.? Fraud usually has statutes of limitation between five and ten years, not just six weeks...

Blogger Submitted2Christ November 29, 2020 11:50 AM  

Fraudulent election results be damned.

If the Dems get away with this fraud then the constitution and western way of life are completely done anyway. The work that needs to be done here must be done one way or another.

Seems like we are all out of cuck-options.

Blogger Rick November 29, 2020 11:52 AM  

Yes, and I think the fact that McInerney (retired) would speak of the server and op, but that Flynn “didn’t want to talk about it” leads me to believe that Flynn is back in the admin (if he was ever out).

Blogger Rick November 29, 2020 12:01 PM  

Video and comms of the operation may be as valuable if not more than capturing the server. It will show the people operating the server and defending it. I think that’s better than essentially a silent server. It’s like having the murder weapon and video of the murder.
Remember, they’ve warned us that they demand evidence (by which they mean proof). They’re gonna get that in spades.

Blogger Rick November 29, 2020 12:02 PM  

That’s not their objective. That’s just a means to it.

Blogger jarheadljh November 29, 2020 12:03 PM  

Five soldiers are dead to seize CIA computers used to alter the outcome of a presidential election, and that is the end of the CIA.

Blogger Rick November 29, 2020 12:04 PM  

How the hell do you know what McInerney has?

Blogger Br1cht November 29, 2020 12:04 PM  

Balkan Yankee wrote:If McInerney's sources are correct, then the CIA likely knew the miltary was coming beforehand given the disproportionate casualty count favoring the CIA. That also likely means the CIA smoked the servers before the military could recover them intact.

If they knew I think that they would have evacuated the facility instead of ambushing 5 triggerpullers that there is an literal abundance.

Spec op usually go very smooth with low/no casualties or totally effed like in Panama with high casulaties. It´s enough with one guard being awake and on his guard to bring the pain to Elite operators, no man is super human no matter the training.
The differance between a sleeping or unfocused guard and one that takes his mission serious is the most important factor that you can´t train your guys for and if the facilty were hardened against the usual tech of surveillance the brave lads went in blind.

Remember the heroes in prayer tonight.

Blogger jarheadljh November 29, 2020 12:07 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote: MilGov vs. Civgov. Military versus CIA. In that scenario, it's outside pressure that brings the split. Here and now I expect the opposite - if the USA really is in internal turmoil, a foreign power may take advantage.

My father is expecting the Chinese to go all-in on the side of the Democrat states if there’s an actual split. The red states would have a decided advantage otherwise, but millions of PLA troops backing up the Democrats might negate that, like a bigger version of the Angolan Civil War where Cuba got involved.


WOLVERINES.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2020 12:10 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:... millions of PLA troops backing up the Democrats might negate that ...
Crossing the Pacific would be a long march indeed.

The Chinks would be hard pressed to invade across the Taiwan Straights, let alone across the whole Pacific. If our Navy put to sea they would at least be a hazard to navigation, and could probably sink all the Chinese fleets despite our diversity.

The Russians and the Chinese have very little transport, simply can't do long-distance logistics on any large scale. The Chinks could probably commandeer many of the cargo ships that stop there, but they couldn't protect them between there and here.

Blogger Mr Smith November 29, 2020 12:11 PM  

CIA Paramilitary

Black Rifle Coffee Company strikes again.

Blogger Critias November 29, 2020 12:12 PM  

When the USA had all those soldiers in Germany for defend Europe exercises, were they also looking for CIA sites where the servers might be or was all that information captured on election night in the White House?

Blogger Molibdenum November 29, 2020 12:12 PM  

@OVB

No, it isnt. Only someone who doesn't understand how bad indoor fighting can be when you're the aggressor would say that. Do you know how many things go wrong even in an ideal situation like the Iranian embassy hostage crises that the SAS broke up in the late 70's? And they weren't even fighting people more or less on their level.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 29, 2020 12:15 PM  

The real fun could be coming if things don't work out one way or the other:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/civil-unrest/why-america-faces-a-civil-war-there-is-no-alternative/

Blogger Avalanche November 29, 2020 12:16 PM  

@34 "McCain was a "war hero," so I'm still skeptical."
"McStain was Never a "war hero" in the actual military, and the info on him being a traitor had been out a long time."

NoName was only EVER a hero to the fake news! He was a lying treasonous prop they hauled in and out to make the sleeping populace feel bad for him. If he had NOT been an admiral's kid, he'd've been buried from public view when he got home.

Of course, when you get tipped to his daddy-the-admiral being front-line involved in STOPPING the defense forces from rescuing the U.S.S Liberty from the (((attack))) with missiles, torpedoes, and napalm -- including machine gunning her launched life rafts! -- it suddenly becomes a whole lot clearer! Thirty-four dead crew and 171 injured.

And while I'm at it: ever heard of the U.S.S. Forrestal -- or as we called her: the U.S.S. Forest-fire? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfnlWKdD2fI Look into *whose* missile was set off on the flight deck and caused that fire. Killed 134 sailors and injured 161.

I hope both NoName and his traitor-father are burning in the fiery pit till the end of time!

Yeah, I'm ex-Navy; how did you guess?!

Blogger Ransom Smith November 29, 2020 12:16 PM  

Flynn is a spook. And from what I've read he's one of the best spooks and wrote the book on spookhood.
So no matter what is true and isn't there's a better than good chance he's running Trump centered disinformation.
Fighting fire with Greek fire.

Blogger Latigo3 November 29, 2020 12:19 PM  

This sounds like the Denzel Washington movie that I just saw, Safe House, except in reverse. Not the greatest movie, but in it a CIA Safe House was breached by some baddies, except here the good guys were getting in. If it happened, the statement about more Delta casualties than CIA para's makes sense. You always need more force to attack than to defend, it was the CIA's house.

Blogger SouthRon November 29, 2020 12:22 PM  

Any thoughts on why the 305th being a training BN would have been involved in this?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2020 12:26 PM  

tuberman wrote:General Thomas McInerney was introduced by General Flynn, and there's never been an undercurrent of General Thomas McInerney taking the ticket.
I know nothing about McInerney, and nothing about Flynn except that Trump seems to be using him, and not as a . My point in @10 was that ``war hero'' means nothing.
d wrote:President Nixon was deposed by boastful Pol Pot devotees of Harvard Law, aided and abetted by everyone who is anyone in the Western hemisphere.

And no one was executed.

Trump isn't Nixon. He isn't going to give up the way Nixon did.
d wrote:The republic was lost long ago to the same judeo-atheist mystics who tortured some sixty six million Christian peasants to death in the USSR. For fun.

The point is, ... We must fix this ourselves.

Notice that if there really is a shooting war going on between Deep State factions, we're only getting unverifiable rumors of it. Neither Trump nor Cabal have any intention of bringing any of this to the attention of the normies, and neither side will brook any interference from outsiders like us.

If we take matters into our own hands, we are going to be fighting Trump's side as well as the other side. If we must go that route, and I'm not sure that we must, then we would do well to let the two sides exhaust one another first.

Blogger Wazdakka November 29, 2020 12:30 PM  

LoneWolf wrote:On a related note:

"https://www.timesofisrael.com/nuke-chiefs-death-said-to-be-highpoint-of-israeli-efforts-to-sabotage-iran/"

I look for Israeli involvement in the Frankfurt job as well.


I would suspect the Israelis of playing both sides, and against themselves aswell. As good as they are at doing everyone else in, they have a habit of stabbing themselves in the back.

Blogger The Last Roman November 29, 2020 12:30 PM  

US Army doctrine requires 5 to 1 odds before launching an attack. As for the servers, I can only speak for US Army, and State Dept., not CIA, but the destruction of sensitive and secret info is always the priority when being overrun.

Blogger R Devere November 29, 2020 12:36 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:My father is expecting the Chinese to go all-in on the side of the Democrat states if there’s an actual split. The red states would have a decided advantage otherwise, but millions of PLA troops backing up the Democrats might negate that, like a bigger version of the Angolan Civil War where Cuba got involved.
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If the CCP is stubborn enough (or fearful enough) to do that, then they can kiss the Three Gorges Dam goodbye!

And that would mean what, about 60% of arable acreage n China and 60% of their manufacturing is gone in about three days, with no nuclear fallout!

That's what they would get for building that YUUGE failure of a project out of cardboard. One cleanly placed J-dam and China is moved from geopolitical maps for decades!

Blogger kurt9 November 29, 2020 12:36 PM  

The CIA paramilitaries are actually contractors. The CIA itself is a bunch of analysts sitting at desks in Langley. These guys live the international life because they like it. It is certain they do lots of stuff to make money on the side (arms dealing, drug trafficking, working for the Chinese, etc.). If civil war comes, which side will these paramilitaries be on? One possibility, if there are people with deep pockets on our side, would be to simply pay them to retire to some beach in Africa. These guys can continue to live their lives and make money on their own without being involved in the fracas of a U.S. civil war. This is assuming they are amoral enough to go for such a deal (probably true for most of them).

Blogger Unknown November 29, 2020 12:38 PM  

Trump did say he was a "wartime President" fighting the "invisible enemy".

Blogger Daniel November 29, 2020 12:38 PM  

This is a clean victory if the servers are recovered, and a less clean victory if the data is destroyed. The only victory for the CIA was to repel Delta force entirely, and even that would have been short term.

The truth is out there, and this is a war for the truth.

Biden didn't win.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 29, 2020 12:53 PM  

If Delta ran into a Chinese beehive, that would explain it as well. Who were the CIA guys? Actual Americans? Chinese SF? Imagine the movie The Rock, and the events being roughly similar.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 29, 2020 12:56 PM  

There is no 2022

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 29, 2020 1:07 PM  

The SF/SOCOM/DELTA/SEAL missions you hear about being perfectly executed are that way for a reason. Time, planning, enemy forces.

Without the proper amount of time and planning being there, for whatever reason, you will have casualties. That's war. It's hell. Especially when the guys you're going up against in their house are on your level.

Here we had SF fighting a peer force on the enemy's turf. Hasn't anyone seen Home Alone?

This is why JFK created SF to begin with. To fight the CIA. This is why Trump reorganized the DOD this month. The SECDEF is now an operator. And SF reports directly to him.

Shut up with all of your ignorant bitching about McInerney.

You're not going to be able to look at the mission planning or AAR.

You have a divine privilege of living right now and seeing the 1% of what we are allowed to see.

Ludlum would have killed his own mother to be able to write about this.

Or maybe he did?

Blogger Tom Bombadil November 29, 2020 1:11 PM  

Sounds a lot like the server was blown up. That would explain the casualties.

Blogger Daniel November 29, 2020 1:11 PM  

Can you imagine the underground going negotiations?

Blogger The Homeless IT Guy November 29, 2020 1:11 PM  

@66 by large the people that make up that community are very individualistic and pro individual rights and classic founding fathers ideas of the republic. And like any war between good and evil the good guys believe in the mission and each each other vs the bad guys being at best hired guns or motivated by 'bad' thus victory is assured

Blogger Moonman's Ray-Ban Sunglasses November 29, 2020 1:19 PM  

@86

That training film was mandatory for everyone. It made it seem as if the enlisted sailors were to blame, even the Chief who grabbed the extinguisher in a vain effort to fight the initial blaze before he got vaporized by the second explosion.

If the sailors are to blame, then why not everyone within the chain of command, all the way up to Zumwalt and beyond? Surely 'Reverse Ace" McCain should have been cashiered, right? I mean, that's the Navy way, right?

Goddamm Navy.

Blogger Jack Amok November 29, 2020 1:25 PM  

"CIA paramilitary" are usually former Special Forces soldiers who've retired from the military to make better money doing an easier job - typically they defend a target (like here) instead of their old job of assaulting the target (i.e. 'door kickers', again, like here).

If this is common knowledge in the special forces community, I wonder what impact it'll have on the CIAs ability to recruit?

Blogger Jack Amok November 29, 2020 1:31 PM  

That also likely means the CIA smoked the servers before the military could recover them intact.

As far as whether the servers were wiped or not, the same story says "Subsequent review of the secured servers yielded proof that China, Iran, and Russia were involved in the attempted coup against President Donald Trump..." which implies they were sufficiently intact. Of course, you're always free to believe news reports a la carte if you prefer.

Blogger cisbio November 29, 2020 1:37 PM  

There will be no Civil War. But pointless murder sprees and militia stand-offs increasingly likely.

Blogger jarheadljh November 29, 2020 1:42 PM  

Critias wrote:When the USA had all those soldiers in Germany for defend Europe exercises, were they also looking for CIA sites where the servers might be or was all that information captured on election night in the White House?

Slight correction : Sidney Powell Confirms Rumor Is True: Trump Was Watching The Fraud Happen In Realtime On Election Night From Eisenhower Building SCIF!
https://freshamericannews.com/sidney-powell-confirms-rumor-is-true-trump-was-watching-the-fraud-happen-in-realtime-on-election-night-from-eisenhower-building-scif/

If memory serves this broke on TheMarshallReport, but here it is from the video interview - Lt. General McInerney Says “Kraken” is the 305th Military Intelligence Battalion
https://repub.li/lt-general-says-kraken-is-305th-military-intelligence-battalion/

It all points to one very obvious observation, do you really think that the guy warning about voter fraud via computerized voting machines in 2012[Trump] would base his entire reelection strategy around those machines? Or would he make immediate plans to catch them cheating in the act while planning his election around alternate victory strategies?

I might do the first thing, but then I'm exceptionally lazy and would absolutely never be in Trump's position. I will never have an empire like Trump, but then I also do not want an empire. I want a comfortable bed to sleep in, a decent kitchen in which to cook, and a workshop to tinker in. And my own outdoor gun range.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 29, 2020 1:45 PM  

Prior to Sumter there was a declaration of secession and violence quickly led to population movements so that people could get on the right side of the lines. Prior to current events, not so much and the movements aren't happening.
You don't live in the exurbs.
My little town, an hour from the nearest large city with any jobs, that in 30 years has gone fron 1100 to 1300 people, has 3 housind developments going in, doubling the population. Go on Realtor.com some time and check the price of rural building lots.

Blogger Newscaper312 November 29, 2020 1:54 PM  

@Snidely
Hopefully none of those are "affordable housing" like that SOB Obama accelerated in so many places like my City, injecting the hood into the suburbs. Strangely, it's always in functional middle and slightly upper middle areas and never in the very nicest where the local TPTB live.
Things go really sideways people know where they live, and the only action won't be cordoning off, if not evicting, "diverse areas".

Blogger Snidely Whiplash November 29, 2020 2:05 PM  

No, not with houses starting in the "low 400s" that locals can't afford.
Diversity requires bus service, a clue for all y'all suburbanites.

Blogger RadixMalorum November 29, 2020 2:07 PM  

If Trump prevails he needs to purge the alphabet orgs post haste.

Blogger Jack Amok November 29, 2020 2:17 PM  

You don't live in the exurbs.

Yes. I'm surprised this needs to be repeated once again, it's been said so many times, but clearly...

This isn't North vs South. It's not Red States vs Blue States. It's Democrat-run big cities vs everyone else.

In completely unrelated news, it's a nice day, I think I'm going to go for a hike along the pipeline trail. That's the pipeline that supplies Seattle most of its water. It runs right behind our exurb, many miles long, running through some fairly thick woods. It makes for a pleasant hike. If you want a longer hike, you can follow the pipeline trail until it crosses the power line trail - that's the one that follows the big high-tension lines that bring electricity to Seattle from the massive hydro projects on the other side of the mountains.

Blogger xevious2030 November 29, 2020 2:18 PM  

“Or would he make immediate plans to catch them cheating in the act while planning his election around alternate victory strategies?”

That would be a necessary combination to begin from.

Blogger thethirdcoast November 29, 2020 2:18 PM  

Don't be too shocked by the five casualties.

The direct action teams fielded by CIA SAD (Special Activities Division) are staffed by ex-Special Forces guys.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 29, 2020 2:47 PM  

That's a nice power and water intersection you've got there.

Blogger Damelon Brinn November 29, 2020 2:54 PM  

Booby-traps with explosives could account for casualties, but would be a poor way to destroy data on hard drives.

Blogger phil g November 29, 2020 2:56 PM  

I'd wait for additional confirmation. The general has a spotty rep. May be true, but I'm going to wait for additional info.

Blogger David November 29, 2020 2:56 PM  

Anyone else keeping a mental list of names/locations of people in their community that support the pedocracy? You know, for a hypothetical rainy day? Facebook may not be the best place to provide any actual personal information, but it sure makes it easy to compile such a list.

Blogger Boaty Bear November 29, 2020 3:03 PM  

Havent they already got millions there?

How do they project power again?

Blogger Matthew T November 29, 2020 3:39 PM  

@Snidely - it's a bit of an aside, but when we moved last year, I told my wife, there are various criteria one could use to decide whether a place is "rural enough". One of mine was, MORE than an hour from a city (the difference between being an exurb and truly rural). Another was, I wanted it to be a place that was not only pretty rural at the moment, but had no chance of becoming a suburb 20 years from now.

Anyway yeah, I know COVID has been part of it, but in my picturesque rural area tons of people have been moving in over the past year or so, looking for something more laid back and "safe".

Blogger Inquisitor Benedictus November 29, 2020 3:39 PM  

Sidney Powell has corroborated this on Twitter.
Screenshot:– https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1606680313626.png

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 29, 2020 4:16 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:pyrrhus wrote:McInerney is a real warfighter,...

McCain was a ``war hero,'' so I'm still skeptical.


I knew both men as it happens. McCain was charismatic and a people person. Also, a ticket-taker. I liked him at first, then grew to despise him.

McInerney is gruff and aloof but decidedly not a ticket-taker. Not a people person. He's very hard to like at first, but he grows on you.

FWIW

Blogger Rick November 29, 2020 4:17 PM  

Insurrection Act

Blogger Josh Brown November 29, 2020 4:45 PM  

Too many decades ago my grandfather opined that CIA stood for Criminals In America.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 29, 2020 4:52 PM  

@7 We don't know the actual casualty count.

Someone saying they were in the CIA posted on 4chan noted that the CIA lost 10 and an additional 15 CCP operatives killed. It could be that the one CIA casualty acknowledge was the only on book operative at the facility.

Of course we will never know the truth but, on the face, 5 Spec Op casualties makes more sense on a raid when with a casualty count of 25 for the enemy than it being 1 to 5.


Blogger eclecticme November 29, 2020 5:01 PM  

Guest Lt. General McInerney and Mary Fanning start around 30 min.
McInerney talks about the server seizure in Germany around 43 min. Does not mean it is true but worth paying attention to.
https://youtu.be/kzFyUBwAMoA?t=2590

Blogger Beloved November 29, 2020 5:01 PM  

Respect is due the CIA para's. They put up a good fight.

They lost, of course. I wonder if this will have any impact on their recruiting. It's easy to hire mercs who expect a good paycheck and low risk of fighting. It's another to expect Delta Force to kick down your door.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 29, 2020 5:24 PM  

McCain as a charismatic people person???

ROFLFLFLFL

OK MEGHAN

Blogger teslawasframed November 29, 2020 5:49 PM  

Your comment got a belly laugh from this guy. Well said.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf November 29, 2020 6:06 PM  

Incredulous astonishment sums up my feelings.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey November 29, 2020 6:08 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:McCain as a charismatic people person???

ROFLFLFLFL

OK MEGHAN


Oh, but he was. He definitely knew how to work a room. When I first met McCain he was the top-surrogate for our campaign, and by a mile. He was something of a sensation actually.

Doesn't mean he wasn't an evil little prick behind it all (which he was).

Blogger Azimus November 29, 2020 7:09 PM  

125. TheproductofafineeductionNovember 29, 2020 4:52 PM
Someone saying they were in the CIA posted on 4chan noted that the CIA lost 10 and an additional 15 CCP operatives killed. It could be that the one CIA casualty acknowledge was the only on book operative at the facility.


The higher the casualty count, the less likely this actually happened. Think about it, how do you keep a lid on even one burst of automatic weapons fire in Frankfurt? Was everybody using crossbows and knives? Suppressors? What about the bodies?

If it did happen, and I am a bit skeptical, I could see a higher casualty rate for white hats because they probably have zero mission prep/recon time, and had to take additional risk if recovery of the operational server was the object.

In a scenario where 25 men are guarding something incognito and engaged in a firefight to protect it, I'm trying to figure out why the CIA would place so much value on it. Its just hardware and programming and data, all of which is easily recreated for some five-figure sum. Why not simply destroy it? What is the purpose of putting a guard on it, much less 25 men? Why not eliminate the risk once its served its purpose? Why not bring it to Langley?

The only thing I can think of is that it wasn't theirs to destroy and the owner wanted it kept as a future bargaining chip (to control Biden, for example), and the black hats would not move against the owner to eliminate it. So instead they reinforced it.

I don't know. Jury's out for me on how it was recovered. Lets just see it.

Blogger The Lab Manager November 29, 2020 7:15 PM  

Josh Brown wrote:Too many decades ago my grandfather opined that CIA stood for Criminals In America.

It's been a while since I listened to some of the podcast online, Joseph P Farrell talks much about how the NSA and CIA were all infused with funds after WWII from the loot from Nazi Germany and Japan. No wonder JFK tried to tamp them down; they have been a parallel government for decades now.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 29, 2020 7:25 PM  

@132

I cant say for sure, but asuming CIA anon is legit rather than a larp, then I think it safe to assuming that the CIA facility is in an area devoid of population. Moreover, how do we know that the fight didn't occur underground? After all the Pentagon allocated $572 million to train for large scale subterranean combat so I'd say it's a possibility back in 2018.

As for the bodies, if there were 15 CCP agents we will never hear about it. As for the other 10, maybe more accidents will occur in the coming weeks or perhaps they are not American assets.

Don't know, CIA anon could be a larp, but we are hearing from multiple people and sources something went down so I'm inclined to believe that there was a raid on the server.

Blogger BufordTJustice November 29, 2020 7:41 PM  

Inquisitor Benedictus wrote:Sidney Powell has corroborated this on Twitter.

Screenshot:– https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1606680313626.png

That's not Sidney Powell's Twitter account, that "Major Patriot" tagging Sidney Powell.

Blogger CoolHand November 29, 2020 7:49 PM  

@135 Look at the very top, she retweeted it, numbnuts.

Blogger Jack Amok November 29, 2020 9:03 PM  

Was everybody using crossbows and knives? Suppressors?

Of course they were using suppressors. They're standard for operators. More for the flash than the bang, but I'm sure every carbine in the raid was suppressed.

Blogger Silly but True November 29, 2020 9:14 PM  

I’m not sure if this be good or bad, but on Wednesday, Germany’s Federal Administrative Court — it’s top administrative law version of SCOTUS — ruled that Germany is not responsible for ensuring US complies with international law in case associated with US assassination (murder?) drones launched from Rammstein AFB.

Blogger Silly but True November 29, 2020 9:26 PM  

Either the cover story or source for the conspiracy story; who tf knows:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/static.theintercept.com/amp/somalia-cia-michael-goodboe.html

The one truth is that if anti-Trump globalists are flying CIA enforcers back to Germany from Somaliafghanistan then isn’t Trump’s promise to bring troops out of foreign wars being fulfilled? Go Brennan, I guess?

Blogger Didas Kalos November 29, 2020 9:43 PM  

CIA corruption https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Gladio-Paul-L-Williams-audiobook/dp/B00WAFNR7G/ref=sr_1_2?crid=OP1YEUD3WA2J&dchild=1&keywords=paul+williams+books&qid=1606704158&s=books&sprefix=Paul+eilli%2Cstripbooks%2C202&sr=1-2

Blogger Ominous Cowherd November 29, 2020 11:46 PM  

The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:McInerney is gruff and aloof but decidedly not a ticket-taker. Not a people person. He's very hard to like at first, but he grows on you.
Your good opinion of him is a good sign. It's encouraging that at least one general officer is not definitely a traitor.
tuberman wrote:McStain was Never a "war hero" in the actual military, and the info on him being a traitor had been out a long time.
Most of the retired military I work with are seriously shocked to hear me call McCain a traitor. In their minds he's the Hero of Hanoi. Patriots might be found in the military, but so are traitors. Ex-military people are silly sheeple about as often as life-long civilians are.

Blogger Pytor November 29, 2020 11:53 PM  

There is an aspect to this civil war of trump demolishing the national security state in a very clever way. All the nat sec laws are used to create a nascent American aristocracy. Jimmy Boots explained how nat sec laws allow men like Epstein to rape kids with impunity bc the blackmail generation is "a matter of national security" also, a secret court system and classified tech, and on and on. By using the military and secret courts and nat sec law, trump shows them how the national security state can be turned against them. The motivation of elites to build a crazy unconstitutional nat sec apparatus will be reduced long after trump is gone bc they wont forget the lesson of how easy it can be flipped against them.

Blogger Moonman's Ray-Ban Sunglasses November 30, 2020 1:55 AM  

Maybe I'm immune, but I was never 'charmed' by McCain or Bill Clinton or any of the other people the legacy media told me I should be charmed by.

I never found anyone charming, whatever the fuck that means. Women were to be pursued for sex and marriage and Men were competition for same, unless they were brothers or friends. My bullshit shields are always at maximum and I always found the opposite sex to be far below me in terms of intelligence.

As far as politicians go, I never had a desire to be sodomized. I always assumed that 'charming' was an euphemism for that.

Blogger CF Neal November 30, 2020 3:43 AM  

Thanks, guys -- and gals.

Y'all do all the dirty digging, I just re-post facto.

wwg1wga

hehe

#GodWinsALAWYS
JESUSaves completely!
HolyGhost seals the deal.

MARANATHA

Blogger Avalanche November 30, 2020 7:21 AM  

@72 "Is there really no way of reversing or delaying the decisions of the electoral college if there are no clear and final court decisions by the 14th of Dec.?"

If we're going to hang 'our' lawsuits on the Constitutionality -- and un- --then we will not be trying to override another of the Constitution's directions / boundaries.

And the Constitution already provides for the next step if the electors cannot be decided by the 14th: it goes to the House of Reps, and each STATE gets one vote. Repubs have 27 to Dems 22. And Trump wins again.

Blogger Avalanche November 30, 2020 7:38 AM  

@103 "If the sailors are to blame"

{gag}

Have you tipped to the "Fat Leonard" "scandal"? Not a scandal, it's grift and treason! But the Navy apparently doesn't want to call it that! And God knows the MEDIA won't touch it!

Goddamn Navy, indeed.

Blogger Avalanche November 30, 2020 8:00 AM  

@141 "Most of the retired military I work with are seriously shocked to hear me call McCain a traitor."

A thing I find truly demoralizing is, *I* was introduced to the (((murderous attack))) on the U.S.S. Liberty IN the Navy! Back in the late '70s and early '80s, it was still 'taught' -- unofficially, of course! -- to new Navy personnel. Officers were at least; dunno what the enlisted were told. Early part of "my awakening" that started me down the dark path!

New Navy folks I meet now go deer-in-the-headlights when I probe... And, dammnit, one flight deck ops 'kid' (in his late twenties) blew me off with "if it doesn't affect operations, I don't need to know it." Really shocking -- at least to me.

Blogger flyingtiger November 30, 2020 9:19 AM  

Since the 70s, the CIA has para military units. How many is classified. At first they were low quality and had problems even functioning against 3rd world enemies. These units were commanded and manned by 2nd rate military officers and soldiers. Now it may be different. I bet the CIA is exempt from affirmative action policies. Now the best would want to work for them.

Blogger Akulkis December 01, 2020 7:41 PM  

Using hammers? Does the state department not know what thermite grenades are and what their primary purpose is?

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