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Monday, December 14, 2020

And which god is that?

Beth Moore, one of the leading Jezebels of the Southern Baptist Convention, openly attacks Christian nationalism:

I do not believe these are days for mincing words. I’m 63 1/2 years old & I have never seen anything in these United States of America I found more astonishingly seductive & dangerous to the saints of God than Trumpism. This Christian nationalism is not of God. Move back from it.

This is precisely why women are to be silent in the Church. Those who wish to teach men are possessed by a spirit that rebels against both God and man, and inevitably attempt to lead those men away from Jesus Christ and towards servitude to the god of this world.

The Bible says the nations will survive until the end. It is globalism, which is at its heart Babelism, that is opposed to the nations, as well as to both God and His Son. Which means that Beth Moore is a ticket-taking creature of Babel. You can see how these creatures always, always, lie. How can Christian nationalism not be of God, unless that god is the Promethean god who is the prince of this world?

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127 Comments:

Blogger Ogden Frost December 14, 2020 6:00 AM  

Amen.

Blogger Veritax December 14, 2020 6:02 AM  

What problem is she trying to fix by saying this? How would this really further God's kingdom? This only hurts the church and this country. Do you think she's lost her mind, or do you think she's really sold her soul?

Blogger doctrev December 14, 2020 6:05 AM  

I'm sure Rod Dreher ruined his pants with paste over her "brave" stand.

The more people insist that the President has a cult, the more I insist that EVERY single leader other than Trump has betrayed us. Now people will take bats to the heads of all the false prophets. It's called loyalty, and Beth Moore wouldn't recognize it if it kicked her in the ovaries.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock December 14, 2020 6:10 AM  

63 1/2 years old

What adult speaks like this?

Of course, the replies are chock full of "You go girl!" idiocy, including about that very "63 1/2".

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 14, 2020 6:11 AM  

Hillary v.2.0?
The level of the Lie in this tweet is absurd.

Blogger Doom December 14, 2020 6:13 AM  

They are trying to kill all the churches by installing vipers as the elites. I don't know about you, all they are doing is helping me define my understandings much better. Understandings which do not include them.

The church is much like science. There is the body of knowledge/wisdom. There are practitioners, both avocational and vocational. And, of course, there is the physical buildings and such. From what I am seeing, they are losing everything they obtain dominion over.

But the faithful are becoming all of the church. Not necessarily a bad thing. I don't think governments and billionaires will continue to fund churches no one attends. To that end, oddly, the covid shutdowns are probably doing a service here. The churches get to decide whether they will continue being against their people or, that part of the church, cease to be. I love watching leftist religious elites realizing the crushing of their people, which they have supported... is ricocheting to lethal to their income ways. No parishioners giving, because they aren't going (or giving to those supporting shutdowns). And without a headcount, .gov and else won't support them that way. It's... wonderful, on that front.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 14, 2020 6:13 AM  

Christian nationalism is the only thing left in the world that is of God.
She sounds worried. And so she should be.

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 14, 2020 6:22 AM  

Boy howdy is President Trump exposing the rot.

I was wrong about his response to Covid. I should have waited more than 48 hours.

I think Beth is afraid she is going to be exposed the rest of the way with all of the recent disclosures.

Blogger jrapdx December 14, 2020 6:28 AM  

Isn't it arrogant for mere humans to presume they know God's mind regarding His view of "Trumpism" or for that matter anything else?

And here we thought God works wonders in mysterious ways, maybe even via Trump. A modicum of humility goes a long distance when doing the work of leadership, especially of a church.

A mentor taught that we learn only when listening to others and not a thing from pushing one's fabulous "wisdom" on others.

So it seems clergy, and swing-state judges, failed to learn that lesson, the damage they inflict is obvious.

Blogger Lazarus December 14, 2020 6:29 AM  

Maybe she doesn't have a copy of Strong's Concordance.

Blogger Unknown December 14, 2020 6:29 AM  

It's not difficult: she's on the other side, plain and simple.

Anyone who lived through the communist take-over of every institution of the USA over their lifetime and can say, apparently without irony, that it's *Trumpism* that is "astonishingly seductive & dangerous to the Saints of God" must be a Godless communist themselves.

The whore of Babylon is "Church, Incorporated". Change my mind.

Blogger Ferdl December 14, 2020 6:33 AM  

The development within the various protestant churches in the US is a topic that I would like to know more about. Are there any serious attempts to restore what has been destroyed in the past decades? I don't know much about Protestants, but given that they have broken away from the Catholic Church I would imagine that the threshold for the remaining "more orthodox parts" of those churches to break away yet again would be lower than it would be for Catholics. Is that true? And is that something that plays any role in the fight against the builders of the new Tower of Babel? Or is there no real (organized) resistance against the promethean forces?

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 6:41 AM  

If these churches have any inclination of maintaining a true Christian alignment, they will identify these blasphemers and excuse them from the the table entirely. While I hope this is the case, we haven't seen it so far.

Blogger Bogey December 14, 2020 6:43 AM  

One of the most disappointing moments in the bible:
Kings 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

Blogger islanti December 14, 2020 7:35 AM  

The "progressive" Churchian movement strikes again.

Blogger Veritax December 14, 2020 7:35 AM  

Heads up: YouTube App on my phone is not working. There are reports that YouTube and Google services are down worldwide. I was, however, able to get on YouTube via webpage.

Blogger Nemesis The Warlock December 14, 2020 7:37 AM  

"All progressive Christians are atheists;" - 2 John 9

Blogger Catchthefox December 14, 2020 7:38 AM  

heretics gonna heretic, antipopes gonna anti.

Blogger Harambe December 14, 2020 7:38 AM  

WRE

Blogger CM December 14, 2020 7:48 AM  

The Bible says the nations will survive until the end. It is globalism, which is at its heart Babelism, that is opposed to the nations, as well as to both God and His Son.

Amen, Amen, Amen.

I did a lot of Christian formation in elementary and high school - meaning, I took my faith seriously as a child and it grew in those years. Then I learned history. Interpreting history through a biblical lens had me identifying as a nationalist at a young age.

I wish I was a better communicator so I could give it the defense it deserves from a biblical perspective. I have heard the complaints that libertarians have been becoming nationalists and The Libertarians are angry about it and are convinced it has nothing to do with libertarianism, but nationalism is, through free association, libertarianism scaled up to a group level.

Blogger Iskander Magnus December 14, 2020 7:55 AM  

She’d make a great Reform Rabbi for a cuddly Tikkun Olam synagogue .

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 7:56 AM  

Most American politicians are quick to invoke God but I seldom hear them be more specific. At both Easter and just the other day for his Christmas message, Trump made statements that no Christian denomination would find fault with. I can not recall another President that has done that in living memory. I’d love to be corrected.

I just thought Russel Moore was a spineless cuck before but with a wife like this, he may be a far more sinister character than he looks.

Blogger The Lab Manager December 14, 2020 7:57 AM  

Wow! Another candidate for a helicopter ride if an Augusto Pinochet for America ever comes around.

I'm not into the church lifestyle, but how many of them are like this across the board?

Blogger Robert Browning December 14, 2020 7:58 AM  

That is the second time I have heard that. They are pushing Christian fascism as a meme. For the usual reasons of course, hatred of the innocent Christ.

Blogger Emil December 14, 2020 8:03 AM  

There's a show they're pushing hard now, the queen's gambit, which peripherally appears to promote the same egalitarian, women-are-the-same-as-men worldview. Already chess streamers are promoting articles about how the real reason there's only one female in the top 100 grandmasters is because of patriarchy and how poor women have such a tough time. Feminism is in lockstep with globalism. They are being used as pawns to empower the women and guilt the soyboys into submission.

Blogger Dirtnapninja December 14, 2020 8:07 AM  

I wonder what her opinion of Jewish Nationalism is.

Blogger FALPhil December 14, 2020 8:09 AM  

I am glad I am not the only one seeing this. I have known that Beth Moore was a wolf in sheep's clothing for over a decade when my wife came home from a women's study, troubled over some things in the book the group was using which was authored by Ms. Moore. We got out Bibles out and painstakingly deconstructed Moore's logic. When my wife went back to the study, she pissed just about every woman there off. The leader went to the pastor to complain. Fortunately, the pastor had not taken the ticket and supported my wife. He then suggested that the group jettison the book and select one by R. C. Sproul.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 14, 2020 8:12 AM  

“Calling on us to love our enemies, Christ meant the personal enemies of a man himself (“your”, “you” Matthew 5:43-47; Luke 6:27-28), his own haters and persecutors, whom the offended, naturally, can choose to forgive or not forgive.

Christ never called us to love the enemies of God, to bless those who hate and trample upon all that is Divine, to assist blasphemous seducers, to kindly sympathize with the obsessive molesters of souls, to be in awe of them and to possess a strong sentiment that nobody standing in opposition should interfere with their villainy. The contrary is in fact true, both for such people and even for those incomparably less guilty.

Christ also had fiery words of reproof (Matthew 11:21-24, 23; Mark 12:38-40; Luke 11:39-52, 13:32-35, 20:46-47, etc) and the threat of severe retribution (Matthew 10:15, 12:9, 18:9, 34-35, 21:41, 22:7, 13, 24:51, 25:12, 30; Mark 8:38; Luke 19:27, 21:20-26; John 3:36), and the driving out of a scourge (Matthew 21:12; Mark 11:15, Luke 19:45; John 2:13-16) and impending eternal torments (Matthew 25:41, 46, John 5:29).

Therefore, a Christian who strives to be faithful to the word and spirit of his Teacher is not at all called to unnaturally force to tenderness and affection towards the impenitent villain as such, and he cannot find in Christ’s commandments either a reason or pretext for evading resistance to villainy.”

- Ivan Alexandrovich Ilyin, On Resistance to Evil by Force

Blogger David December 14, 2020 8:19 AM  

This year has been very illuminating as to sheep and goats.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 8:25 AM  

These poseur Christians think Christians who don’t accept the secular morality invented and promulgated by atheists (who hate you and think you worship a fake magic sky fairy) aren’t real Christians. It’s pure subversion. You can love people from other nations without changing your country’s immigration policy or giving them tax revenue. Those are earthly things. If you really want to express love to them, share the gospel with them. Otherwise, you are just making their time spent walking to hell more comfortable. Inconveniently for atheists, spreading the gospel doesn’t require effacing national identities to pave the way to a world of atomized individuals with no family, no community, no countrymen, and no purpose in life apart from climbing a corporate ladder.

Blogger LateIntoTheFray December 14, 2020 8:28 AM  

Christ tells us in his great commission, to go and make disciples of all Nations. Not too hard to understand....

Blogger Parallax December 14, 2020 8:41 AM  

My wife #walkedaway from her years ago.

Anecdote: I recently visited a church and was curious about the name of their youth group and asked the female in charge what it meant. She said very pointedly: “It means they’re HOT FOR JESUS.” She didn’t blink, wink or smirk. I, my wife and a friend all looked at each other in mild amazement and amusement waiting for the punch line. Wasn’t coming. When our friend, a member of the church, asked the female if she was aware of how that slogan sounded she shrugged and defended it with an almost “whatever” attitude. Another neo-Babylonian in charge of the future.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 14, 2020 8:43 AM  

Years ago a fellow airman told me with a straight face that if he didn't go to church on Sunday, he'd be carousing and sinning.
"So what if you get snowed in or the bridge was out?" I asked.
"No difference", he said.

And people like that are why these glitterbug fake and gay ministries are not laughed at all the way back to the darkness. They are merely filling in a role for which the table was set: extremely weak-minded deleterious people of the sort you can't have a civilization with.

It's almost a form of simping. But instead of sending some e-thot money for her soiled underwear, they offer money and support for equally filthy rags.

Finally, the "always offended" church ladies of the 80s who were playing records backwards and the always triggered SJWs are not as far apart as it seems. Practically the same op. It's like the people running that old op re-tooled for post Christanity, but it's still religion.

Blogger Beloved December 14, 2020 8:43 AM  

Nowhere in the New Testament is any church more than a group of Christians gathering in someones house. The idea that Christians need giant organizations and temples / dedicated church buildings is tradition not scripture.

Still, it's important to gathrt together with other Christians in worship regularly. If anyone here doesn't belong to a church, consider joining or starting a bible study group.

Blogger Bogey December 14, 2020 8:47 AM  

@17 Extremely important follow up verse.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

Blogger Beloved December 14, 2020 8:55 AM  

"Isn't it arrogant for mere humans to presume they know God's mind regarding His view of "Trumpism" or for that matter anything else?"

It's pretty arrogant to assume that because you don't know something it must not exist.

2 Timothy 3: 16-17

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

We can know exactly what God wants us to know. He wrote a user manual for our lives.

You can be reasonably certain that if God exists, and he wrote scriptures for our instruction, that he would maintain the integrity of his instructions for all time.

This gets into Bible Versions, but it's not complicated. Pick one, preferably an older widely available version to avoid modern bullshit, and stick with it.

I like the King James.

Beyond that, God hasn't stopped talking to his children. If you have a question you can ask him. You may not get the answer immediately, but you will be answered.

Blogger FALPhil December 14, 2020 8:56 AM  

Veritax wrote:What problem is she trying to fix by saying this? How would this really further God's kingdom? This only hurts the church and this country. Do you think she's lost her mind, or do you think she's really sold her soul?

Veritax, see my post @27. She has been this way for a loooonnngg time. After doing a little research, I have found that she is consistent, too. She has been as controversial among bible-believing congregations as she has been a darling to evangelical churchians. IMO, she is a heretic.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 14, 2020 8:58 AM  

Unknown wrote:... I would imagine that the threshold for the remaining "more orthodox parts" of those churches to break away yet again would be lower than it would be for Catholics.
In short, the denomination doesn't matter.

Salvation comes from faith in Jesus the son of God. The denomination and its hierarchy has nothing to do with salvation. It's good to unite with fellow believers, and it's evil to unite with the apostate.

When Rome went astray a thousand years ago, Orthodoxy dropped them and stuck with God. When Rome went astray again, we dropped them and stuck with God. When the SBC goes astray, we drop them and stick with God. All denominations are human institutions, all the human institutions fail, and God's Church depends on none of them.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 8:59 AM  

Jesus Christ himself called his own mother "woman" and told her to shut up.

Blogger Th3 J3st3r December 14, 2020 9:06 AM  

"I’m 63 1/2 years old"
That's where I knew it would all start going downhill.

Blogger Darold Stagner December 14, 2020 9:08 AM  

The Southern Baptist Convention has been this way for a while. Its all black now and its criminally converged.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey December 14, 2020 9:09 AM  

I cannot understand American evangelicals a lot of times.

Christian Zionism = Good
Christian Nationalism = Evil

Why can't they see the absurdity of this position?

Blogger Yukichi Sensei December 14, 2020 9:17 AM  

I doubt she regularly reads the Scriptures.

Blogger dienw December 14, 2020 9:22 AM  

Lesbian Lutheran Bishop Eva Brunne removes crosses, ‘less offensive to Muslims’

Blogger YoyaBear December 14, 2020 9:26 AM  

Pastors have allowed, without scrutiny, Beth Moore’s bible studies to be used by their ladies groups for 2 decades. If you want to see the gateway by which Satan entered your flock, here’s your sign. It’s Beth. With her “Bring Jesus Inside You” sick nonsense.

Blogger PJW Gent December 14, 2020 9:32 AM  

The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey wrote:I cannot understand American evangelicals a lot of times.

Christian Zionism = Good

Christian Nationalism = Evil

Why can't they see the absurdity of this position?

Once Satan's blinders are on their eyes they can't see much of anything that goes against his wishes.

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 14, 2020 9:36 AM  

Ishtar strikes again.

Blogger YoyaBear December 14, 2020 9:39 AM  

Pastors have allowed, without scrutiny, Beth Moore’s bible studies to be used by their ladies groups for 2 decades. If you want to see the gateway by which Satan entered your flock, here’s your sign. It’s Beth. With her “Bring Jesus Inside You” sick nonsense.

Blogger YoyaBear December 14, 2020 9:40 AM  

Pastors have allowed, without scrutiny, Beth Moore’s bible studies to be used by their ladies groups for 2 decades. If you want to see the gateway by which Satan entered your flock, here’s your sign. It’s Beth. With her “Bring Jesus Inside You” sick nonsense.

Blogger Unknown December 14, 2020 9:42 AM  

Long his subversion had sought to control

The Western female mind and so her womb,

To make of it the Aryan future’s tomb

By corrupting the gift that was maternal

Until she either was infertile

Or open only to his feral other,

No less than his slave army’s mother,

No more than a savaged piece of meat,

A trophy for whom no war was fought.

http://forthesonsofthewest.home.blog

Blogger RedJack December 14, 2020 9:52 AM  

@42 because they are emotional. But I can't blame them to much. I was more a Christian Zionist, till I met Christians that fled the Holy Land. Now, I am trending to Crusader

Blogger Homesteader December 14, 2020 10:02 AM  



Crunchy Cachalot said-

" 'I'm 63 1/2 years old'

What adult speaks like this? "

None.

A 12 1/2 year old does, though.

Blogger RedJack December 14, 2020 10:03 AM  

Emil wrote:There's a show they're pushing hard now, the queen's gambit, which peripherally appears to promote the same egalitarian, women-are-the-same-as-men worldview. Already chess streamers are promoting articles about how the real reason there's only one female in the top 100 grandmasters is because of patriarchy and how poor women have such a tough time. Feminism is in lockstep with globalism. They are being used as pawns to empower the women and guilt the soyboys into submission.

For a while, I was pretty in to chess. Not "good" at chess, but good enough I went to some tournaments and saw "good" players. The reason women typically don't do well in chess is how their minds work. Spatial reasoning and such. Same reason men and women give directions totally different. I knew one woman chess player back then, and she did it because her husband was one of the masters.

Not saying there can't be a unicorn woman master, but the odds and biology aren't that way.

Blogger Chiva December 14, 2020 10:08 AM  

If she sees peoples adoration of Trump as an evil thing then what does she see of the adoration from her followers to her?
Pride is an insidious flaw.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 14, 2020 10:11 AM  

Chip Hazard wrote:Secondly, you do realize that in allowing women to take over Protestantism you basically sunk the whole ship
``Protestantism'' was never a single ship. When a denomination gets subverted, it's no big deal. Salvation comes from faith in Jesus.

Blogger IamDevo December 14, 2020 10:13 AM  

Not sure if someone posted this before, but Beth Moore is not married to Russell. Her spouse (I refuse to refer to him as her husband, as that implies a Biblical union) is named Ken, according to her website, which is quite enlightening for other reasons, as well. She is filled with the Jezebel spirit, rebellious to legitimate authoirty and entirely self-willed and motivated. May she (and Russell, for that matter, but for other reasons) eternally burn in Hell unless they sincerely repent and atone for their apostacy.

Blogger Rek. December 14, 2020 10:18 AM  

What's the fact that she is 63 !!and a half!! have to do with anything?

Blogger Republican Mother December 14, 2020 10:22 AM  

She's a product of the "Copypasta" church. Lifeway, the Southern Baptist publishing company makes merchandise of souls with their endless studies. Beth Moore is Lifeway's biggest moneymaker. No one in the church knows how to write their own lessons anyone, and if they do, no one wants to listen to them unless they come slick off the Lifeway press. This takes the gift of teaching away from saints and makes them repeaters. No one wants to go to these churches anymore because no creativity is allowed, no innovation tolerated. My family is blossoming after leaving the Babel Building.

Blogger Jack Morrow December 14, 2020 10:22 AM  

Jon Harris has just addressed this at Conversations that Matter.

Blogger Jason the Gentleman December 14, 2020 10:28 AM  

If anyone has examples of exposing her lies to their wives, I'd appreciate hearing them as I now have to tell my wife who has enjoyed some of her materials in the past. Might even get to do an old fashioned book burning if any of her books malign my shelves.

Blogger hysteropotmos December 14, 2020 10:29 AM  

What amuses me is that this is her reaction to evangelical civic nationalism. Enjoy the inevitable, lady.

Blogger CF Neal December 14, 2020 10:38 AM  

LOL
She's taking a well deserved BEATING, so to speak, among comments.
Speaking of "Reform Rabbis" -- here in my little hometown of Huntington, western WV, local newspaper front page picture featured new rabbi in town. A "man." I thought, "Well, THAT'S an improvement from the former female convert-to-Judaism." Until I read:

A LOVER OF MAGIC, A RABBI FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES & OWNER OF FOUR DOGS & THREE CATS W/ HIS PARTNER STEVE...

And there that's the way it is.

Blogger Crush Limbraw December 14, 2020 10:40 AM  

A number of commenters here have indicated an interest to learn more about church convergence. Vox labeled it years ago - Churchianity!
If you want to learn more - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=Churchianity&updated-max=2019-07-10T09:14:00-07:00&max-results=20&by-date=false&m=1 - that is a collection of headnotes of articles from DaLimbraw Library on the subject (many by VD), arranged by relevance. You can flip the list to by date.
Personal anecdotal experience - a younger friend began to discover that his church's youth group teaching was counter to his personal beliefs, so he asked me for resources to arm himself for the upcoming challenge. I simply emailed the same link - he's working through it now - and told me he's gaining allies as well. It takes time - just as it took to converge while we all slept.
BTW - when Vox commented on Bruce Charlton's piece, I did some more digging - found this jewel - https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2020/12/old-age-is-partly-about-re-evaluating.html - about old age.
63 and 1/2 years old? Most of today's oldsters have been seduced to remain forever immature - truly a siren song of the danged Jezebels all around us.

Blogger Azimus December 14, 2020 10:40 AM  

Syllogism of the Female Church Leader:

Statement: It is unchristian and sinful to believe things I personally disagree with.
Statement: I personally disagree with X.
Conclusion: Ergo X is unchristian, and must cease.

Blogger RandyJJ December 14, 2020 10:44 AM  

@44 Chip Hazard

Secondly, you do realize that in allowing women to take over Protestantism you basically sunk the whole ship. They destroyed personal property in the name of the Temperance movement, shrieked like harpies to get the vote, cucked men into Prohibition, and fucked up the entire electoral process.
Something that a lot of Catholics seem to have a hard time understanding is that you can't "take over" Protestantism. You can take over branches, groups, communities, but there is no centralized source of "Protestantism" that can be taken over. These western females larping as spiritual leaders have zero influence on Protestants in Africa, Asia, the Middle East, etc. (not to mention the large swathes of Protestants in the west that don't get media recognition). And once they are gone, they are gone. It's not like their words are part of a Protestant canon.

Don't project Catholic assumptions.

And not that it matters, but since you bring it up, Catholic Poland gave women the right to vote before Protestant USA did. Women's suffrage is hardly a Protestant issue.

Blogger yohee December 14, 2020 10:45 AM  

@42 "American Christianity" is widely divergent from "Classical" Christianity (only America could produce the Prosperity Gospel and advance it as Christian). The Puritans came here to "perfect the church in the wilderness" and to the bring that perfected church to everyone. When the Puritans lost their faith they didn't lose the compulsion to make the rest of the world think like them. some trace the origin of American Exceptionalism to this lapsed theological belief. In such an environment the rise of "Christian Zionism," really any sect/heresy, can almost be expected as the culture at large rejects thousands of years of theological development.
Everyone is a theologian, everyone a pope.
There's a reason there's 35,000 different "churches" in America.

Blogger rcocean December 14, 2020 10:49 AM  

I'm always amazed at how ahistorical these people are. If the Church believed patriotism and nationalism was OK for 200 years, why would it suddenly be wrong now?

What's even more hilarious is the Trump's "nationalism" is nothing more than average "patriotism" circa 1970. Nothing he says would've surprised JFK, Reagan or even Hubert Humphrey.

Blogger Azimus December 14, 2020 10:52 AM  

VD:
It is globalism, which is at its heart Babelism, that is opposed to the nations, as well as to both God and His Son.


The Tower of Babel is not just a lesson for Sunday School children. It starts in Genesis with Nimrod (first warlord, first manmade religion) and works right through to Revelation - Babel and Babylon the Great are one and the same. It is also the origin of the "city vs rural" war that many here are using to describe the current state of American politics.

It also says in Revelation that in the end One-World Progs/Babel/Babylon will wage open war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them.

God made the nations, so that men would seek Him Acts 17:26-28

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 10:55 AM  

@68

"...you can't "take over" Protestantism. You can take over branches, groups, communities"

You just affirmed the point. "Self-ownage beta "acksully" Smart Boy" for 500, Alex.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 10:57 AM  

"They destroyed personal property in the name of the Temperance movement, shrieked like harpies to get the vote, cucked men into Prohibition, and fucked up the entire electoral process."

I notice no one tried to 'disprove' this statement. Because you can't.

Do not attempt to correct your intellectual betters.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 10:59 AM  

"When a denomination gets subverted, it's no big deal. Salvation comes from faith in Jesus."

Then why bother having a church at all, my son?

Rhetorical, of course.

Blogger Manuel December 14, 2020 11:00 AM  

"Which god is that?" A question to ask of anyone who preaches Churchianity

Blogger Parallax December 14, 2020 11:01 AM  

For my wife, it wasn’t one thing but several red flags. First of which was the female population breathlessly complimenting Moore as if she wrote 50 Shades of Christianity. Moore’s ascension also occurred during the wave of vapid relationships books* that taught you how to have the best marriage from now-estranged, divorced and fallen Christians and the explosion of Jesus is My Boyfriend worship music. And of course my constant ridicule of Moore didn’t encourage her to remain a fan.

*one book taught how to experience a, get this, soulgasm. Oh did I have fun with that. My wife closed the book and threw it in the garbage. God bless her.

Blogger VD December 14, 2020 11:05 AM  

Zip it, Chip. Keep it up and you'll be banned.

Blogger Reichenberg December 14, 2020 11:05 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Chip Hazard wrote:Secondly, you do realize that in allowing women to take over Protestantism you basically sunk the whole ship

``Protestantism'' was never a single ship. When a denomination gets subverted, it's no big deal. Salvation comes from faith in Jesus.


Salvation comes from faith AND water baptism.

MK 16:16 "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. "

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

protestants twist and turn the latter into meaning "accepting Jesus into your heart", whereas the passage explicitly mentions water (=baptism) as a condition.

Blogger phil g December 14, 2020 11:18 AM  

"Woman" in that time was abmn honorary title of respect. Context is helpful you idiot.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 11:23 AM  

Been a bit angry as of late, everyone. A little harsh on my end.

Blogger jimmy_the_freak December 14, 2020 11:23 AM  

She reads scripture, but only the parts that reinforce her worldview.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 14, 2020 11:26 AM  

I don't know theology from geology but let me say that Ms Moore is probably disappointed she is too old for an onlyfans account.

Blogger CM December 14, 2020 11:32 AM  

Firstly, Christ never dictated that women could hold positions in the Church precisely because of this shit.

I agree with you in the main, but not your argument. This is the logic Credo Baptists use to delegitimize paedo baptism. Because the Bible doesn’t explicitly state you can baptize infants, you can not baptize infants.

Jesus didn’t spend a lot of time the ins and outs of running a local church, so he never really explicitly promoted anyone for teaching it.

But Paul does, because he is dealing with churches. And he does explicitly forbid it.

Blogger Daniel December 14, 2020 11:39 AM  

63 1/2 is an attempt to unBoomer herself. Because she knows we wont need her, wont feed her, when she's 64.

Blogger Reichenberg December 14, 2020 11:39 AM  

Chip Hazard wrote:Been a bit angry as of late, everyone. A little harsh on my end.

A good Spiritual Director can help. If you are Catholic, that is.

Blogger Daniel December 14, 2020 11:43 AM  

Catholics who don't read the Bible just look ridiculous when they conjure strawman the protestant bogeyman. This lady ain't the pope.

She isn't even an altar boy.

Blogger Reichenberg December 14, 2020 11:54 AM  

CM wrote:

But Paul does, because he is dealing with churches. And he does explicitly forbid it.


Where does Paul forbid infant baptism?

Blogger Elder Son December 14, 2020 11:57 AM  

The world is always attempting to separate what God has joined together.

And always attempting to put together what God has separated.

And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Now imagine globohomo X's a thousand, compared to the "and this they begin to do" globohomo we are now living in.

The Church is no place for John Lennon imagine emotionalism. The world hates God. They want to imagine Him into nonexistence.

Blogger Beloved December 14, 2020 12:01 PM  

Church of Thyatira gonna Whore of Babylon, Vatican gonna AntiChrist.

Blogger CM December 14, 2020 12:06 PM  

Women teaching.

Blogger CM December 14, 2020 12:08 PM  

Let’s revisit my first comment on this thread. I wish I were a better communicator .

Blogger Doc December 14, 2020 12:13 PM  

"63.5? OMG!!! You look fantastic. Not a day over 63...."

Blogger Beloved December 14, 2020 12:17 PM  

"You can love people from other nations without... [giving] earthly things. If you really want to express love to them, share the gospel with them. Otherwise, you are just making their time spent walking to hell more comfortable."

Churchian claptrap.

James 2: 14-17

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Matthew 25: 35-40

35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’

It doesn't matter if you know they're drug addicts abusing Christian Charity. You are commanded to help those who ask for it.

"But my precious money!" Ira screeched.

Deal with it.

Blogger Chill Penguin December 14, 2020 12:19 PM  

@34 that's a little extreme. Paul claimed the right to live off tithes even though he never asserted it, and you need at least 9 families in your church for your bishop to live off your tithes, though such a small church probably doesn't need a full-time bishop.
Paul told Timothy and Titus how to select bishops: they must be the husband of one wife. Peter was the first bishop and Paul was never a bishop.
What we're not supposed to have is denominations setting themselves up as lords over God's heritage [1 Peter 5:3].

Blogger Nemesis The Warlock December 14, 2020 12:24 PM  

Absolutely true and enforcing it cost me half my church, but at least we don't have any progressives left.

Blogger Chill Penguin December 14, 2020 12:27 PM  

@71 Hebrews 10 says not to forsake the assembly, and 1 Cor 5 about church discipline implies that people should be going to church. Only independent churches can practice 1 Cor 5.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 12:31 PM  

@11 You aren't wrong. Organized Churchianity is at war with the organic Church. Baal likes orgs, as they are soulless vessels easy to corrupt and control. The actual people are another matter.

I don't view the infiltration of the Southern Baptists as a take over, rather I see it as maggots cleaning out an already dead corpse. I've mentioned that the Evangelical end of Christianity is very Zen and prefers practice to theory and ritual. This combined with rabid pushing of Bible study has been leading them away from organized church for years now. Home churches are on the rise, which is the solution to the problem, as it's hard to infiltrate for long without being detected.

Beware of those who try to "unify" the Church, as Church is always following Christ and the Holy Spirit and thus does not need what it already has. People arguing for unity are usually the ones with an agenda of their own and want to appropriate you for it.

Blogger Nemesis The Warlock December 14, 2020 12:43 PM  

Absolutely true and enforcing it cost me half my church, but at least we don't have any progressives left.

Blogger Nemesis The Warlock December 14, 2020 12:44 PM  

Absolutely true and enforcing it cost me half my church, but at least we don't have any progressives left.

Blogger RandyJJ December 14, 2020 1:20 PM  

@69 Chip Hazard

"...you can't "take over" Protestantism. You can take over branches, groups, communities"

You just affirmed the point. "Self-ownage beta "acksully" Smart Boy" for 500, Alex.


"the point" [that I was addressing] = Women have been allowed to take over Protestantism.

Saying that they can't is affirming they can.

A = NOT A.

You are an idiot.

Blogger Elder Son December 14, 2020 1:34 PM  

"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them."

Not, are gathered under the roofs of any number of denominations calling itself Churches.

Also, not where two or three are gathered in my name, plus Jezebel.

To the body of believers gathered in my name, that makes up the Church in Philadelphia: I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name.

Blogger The Critical G December 14, 2020 1:37 PM  

"63 *and a half* years old..."

This alone tells you she has the mind of a child.

Blogger Reichenberg December 14, 2020 1:57 PM  

CM wrote:Women teaching.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Elder Son wrote:"For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them."

Not, are gathered under the roofs of any number of denominations calling itself Churches.


1) Back then, under the guidance of the Apostles, everyone had the same teaching. they also believed in the transsubstantiation, the bread and wine becoming the Body and Blood, based upon the words of Christ. Jn 6:48-58 is beautiful exposition of this.

2) denominations are not persons. (maybe they are legally, but that is just a legal abstraction)

Blogger rcocean December 14, 2020 1:57 PM  

quit derailing every religious thread into Catholics v. Protestants. we all know why you're doing it. IN the 1930's the CPUSA actually funded a "protestant" radio station that did nothing but attack Catholicism.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 1:58 PM  

@82

I was requested to relax by our host. I complied, as this is his house; I was a bit out of line with my anger.

You should do the same. Sarcasm and snark is for teenage girls and Gammas. Thanks.

Blogger d December 14, 2020 2:04 PM  

Anyone ask for her thoughts on the the other 85% of the world; those armies of national socialist invaders lawlessly lieing their way into Christendom from their racially pure fatherlands of hermetically sealed borders, each tribe of which is mutually incompatible with, and utterly intolerant, of hers and all other races?

La Raza, comrades.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 14, 2020 2:08 PM  

The Critical G wrote:"63 *and a half* years old..."

This alone tells you she has the mind of a child.

It's a rare woman who doesn't.

Anonymous Anonymous December 14, 2020 2:11 PM  

@97

At the behest of our host I'm gonna defer. Thanks.

Blogger Elder Son December 14, 2020 2:32 PM  

Christ Jesus is not the Catholic and/or the Protestant Church.

Nor will you find the trappings of either in His Temple.

Blogger John (not the pope) December 14, 2020 2:36 PM  

She's trying to maintain her book sales market & high-$ speaking fees. Birthright sold for mess of pottage.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel December 14, 2020 4:41 PM  

@101

Good grief. Yes already.

I am so tired of the circular firing squads assembling as the left is approaching with A-10 Warthogs.

I am Catholic. I am disgusted by this harridan, as much as I was by the "nuns on the bus". Why? Because in spite of their doctrinal differences, they have one thing in common- they want to make a false god in their image.

I will not ignore the rot on my side of the Tiber or celebrate that on yours. If you are a Protestant grieved by this, I am too. Just as I am by light shoes Jimmy Martin.

Why should I celebrate an infection or perhaps a better analogy is cancer, because right now, that's what we have that threatens us all?

It's one thing to argue theological doctrine, it's another thing to make pseudo-theological arguments from personal incredulity as the SJW crowd on all sides does.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly December 14, 2020 5:10 PM  

@90 If we are "commanded" to give to those that ask for it, what do we do with Mark 1:35-38? Or if you scoff at spreading teaching instead of giving material things, what to do with John 6:26-27? Churchian claptrap may be a better handle for you to comment under than comment on.

Blogger SurfingUSA December 14, 2020 5:19 PM  

"This is precisely why women are to be silent in the Church."

Leftist women, sure. Oh wait, let them say what they want, who even cares?

Righteous women belong anywhere they want, in church or the body politic.

See, the ONLY FOUR JUDGES in the nation who have supported Patriots, and have done so in brave and eloquent fashion:

Judge Patricia McCollough (Roman Catholic) -- PA
Chief Justice Patience D. Roggensack -- WI
Justice Annette Kingsland Ziegler -- WI
Justice Rebecca Grassl Bradley WI

The dissents of the Wisconsin SC Justices starts on p. 13
https://www.news8000.com/content/uploads/2020/12/Supreme-Court-Opinion.pdf

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 14, 2020 5:28 PM  

SurfingUSA wrote:Righteous women belong anywhere they want, in church or the body politic.
See the thing is, righteous women are the women who don't want to be in positions of power and leadership.
Yes, even including judges.
None of those women is righteous, even if they are right, and you need to read your bible a lot more seriously.
A man who follows the lead of a woman is not a man. A woman who desires to lead men is not a woman.
Every church that ordains women ends in homosexuality, anti-nationalism, anti-natalism, pro-abortion, and finally, now, pro-trans. Every SINGLE one. Pattern recognition is for humans, not algorithms.

Stop being a pathetic cuck.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel December 14, 2020 5:31 PM  

She is bothered by Christian Nationalism based on white interests. You see, it interferes with Christian Nationalism centered on Zionism and Jewish Power.

She wants Christianity to be anti-national on whites to be pro-national with Jews.

She fell for the bait-and-switch. Jews don't attack white nationalism as an attack on all nationalism. No, Jews weaken white nationalism to then make whites serve Jewish nationalism(or even supremacism).



Blogger SurfingUSA December 14, 2020 7:50 PM  

@111. Snidely Whiplash

Who's the pathetic cuck? The MEN at Scotus (exc. 2), the men on the PA and WI SCs, the MEN at the various federal circuits.

And you yourself. A pathetic dinosaur, left behind the times.

Better recognize your allies when you see them, or you will have none. There are braver women than any man, and more cowardly men than any women.

And you can keep your advice about reading my Bible to yourself. I've got no use for 98 percent in it, certainly none of the Old Testament.

The one gem in it:

The Sermon on the Mount is a thing of beauty, and that's the only page relevant to my life. The "God" portrayed in the Old Testament, is nothing less than creepy, compared to the gentle steel of Jesus.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 14, 2020 8:36 PM  

SurfingUSA wrote:Who's the pathetic cuck? The MEN at Scotus (exc. 2), the men on the PA and WI SCs, the MEN at the various federal circuits.
Any man who lets a woman tell him what to do is a cuck. Especially you are a cuck, begging a woman to take you in hand and tell you what to do. Hoping you can see a real man satisfy her, because you know you are to weak and limp and spineless to ever do so yourself.

SurfingUSA wrote:Better recognize your allies when you see them, or you will have none.
You are not my ally. You are my enemy, the enemy of God, the enemy of my people, the enemy of all that is good or decent or worth saving from this disaster your type have made of our civilization.

There are braver women than any man, and more cowardly men than any women.
This is a lie, and you know it is a lie, which is why you must shout it all the louder when it is contradicted.
Stop lying.

SurfingUSA wrote:And you can keep your advice about reading my Bible to yourself. I've got no use for 98 percent in it, certainly none of the Old Testament.
SurfingUSA wrote:And you can keep your advice about reading my Bible to yourself. I've got no use for 98 percent in it, certainly none of the Old Testament.
The Sermon on the Mount is a thing of beauty, and that's the only page relevant to my life. The "God" portrayed in the Old Testament, is nothing less than creepy, compared to the gentle steel of Jesus.

You have no idea of what the Sermon on the Mount was about, what it means or the lessons contained therein. The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament. If you reject Him in the Old, you reject Him in the New. You just like it because you falsely think it affirms you in what you want to do.
Go be a creepy atheist Gamma Commie pedophile somewhere else. You are not one of us. You were never one of us. You have nothing in common with any of us and you are not smart enough to be allowed to speak here.

And take off that ridiculous trilby.

Blogger HoosierHillbilly December 14, 2020 8:36 PM  

What a big boy you are Surfing! Look at you, using your new insults like the cool kids next door. Mother will be so proud.

Blogger John Rockwell December 14, 2020 8:59 PM  

There is also evidence of Prometheans/Heretics infiltrating the Bible Translation committee of the NIV.

Resulting in the Promethean abomination of TNIV and NIV 2011:
http://www.bible-researcher.com/cbmw.niv2011.2.pdf

Which seeks to erase sex roles in the Old Testament and the New Testament.

On the one hand erasing the Patriarchal sex roles of Ancient Israel. And erasing the forbidding of teaching and leading Men in the New Testament.

Opening the way of Witches like Beth Moore to take the reins and lead astray.

Blogger David The Good December 14, 2020 9:31 PM  

@SurfingUSA

Reject the Word and you reject God.

You have no right to expound on what women should be doing in the church when you serve Satan.

Repent or you will burn.

Blogger Jack Amok December 14, 2020 9:38 PM  

The "God" portrayed in the Old Testament, is nothing less than creepy, compared to the gentle steel of Jesus.

Ah, there's the confusion. You're worshiping Jesus Church, the mythical founder of the cult of Churchianity. These other people are worshiping Jesus Christ, the historical founder of Christianity.

Blogger The Last Roman December 14, 2020 10:16 PM  

Beth Moore is a jew name

Blogger HoosierHillbilly December 14, 2020 10:17 PM  

Jack, you may be onto something there...knows a select area of the Bible, likes the "gentle steel" of Jesus, rants about MEN, and team go-grrl. Oh, sorry, Surfin, you are probably a bit old for grrl. Girl back in your day. Or maybe bird or some other ridiculous boomerism.

Want to take bets on which coast our old girl lives on?

Blogger Wes December 14, 2020 11:20 PM  

"And you can keep your advice about reading my Bible to yourself. I've got no use for 98 percent in it, certainly none of the Old Testament."

As the saying goes, a closed mouth gathers no foot.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel December 15, 2020 12:19 AM  

@SurfingUSA: Are you Beth Moore?

Blogger Jack Morrow December 15, 2020 12:29 AM  

Jack Morrow wrote:Jon Harris has just addressed this at Conversations that Matter.

A.D. Robles has also weighed in on Beth Moore and Christian nationalism.

Blogger Kirk Parker December 15, 2020 7:12 AM  

Can you recall a specific or two? That would be helpful.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 15, 2020 11:51 AM  

Red screen appeared to start around 11AM EST.
Note: no red screen when accessing via incognito tab

Blogger Beloved December 16, 2020 11:27 AM  

We are commanded by our Lord in Matthew 5: 42

"Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away."

The scriptures you quoted do not contradict my argument. Follow to the Lord, or horde your precious money.

Blogger Chicken Tender December 18, 2020 8:36 AM  

The mention of Beth Moore being the wife of Russell was a bit of a puzzle. She may not be the literal wife of Russell but she is in the same spirit as he is. A destroyer, divider and corrupter of less discerning women and the men they influence. Damned wolves come in and screw up stuff when the good shepherds die off.

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