Monday, December 21, 2020

Christmas gifts from the VP

CodeMonkeyZ reports that President Trump is giving the 7 States in contention one more chance to clean up their fraud and get their State in order.

Dec 24: Pence is expected to tell state legislatures with dueling electors to immediately address the contention in their states to a resolution. States may: split electors, certify contested electors, conduct forensic studies, etc.

Jan 6: Not resolved? Throw out their electors.

And if a State doesn't like it, then it can go complain to the Supreme Court. Where it doesn't have standing anymore. 

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Blogger Nate December 21, 2020 8:36 PM  

now see... this is credible to me just because it fits with Pence's boy scout personality. Pence is the kind of man that would need to give this sort of warning before he took his shot.

Blogger Bogey December 21, 2020 8:37 PM  

Rep. Paul Gosar,
"Just left the Oval with @realDonaldTrump and several other members of Congress. Stay tuned..."

Mark Meadows @MarkMeadows
"Several members of Congress just finished a meeting in the Oval Office with President @realDonaldTrump, preparing to fight back against mounting evidence of voter fraud.
Stay tuned."

"Jan 6: Not resolved? Throw out their electors."

DC is going to be flooded with Trump supporters on that day and night. Pretty sure they aren't going to start a riot but if the other side tries, well...

Blogger Doubting Thomas December 21, 2020 8:42 PM  

So let it be written, so let it be done

Anonymous Anonymous December 21, 2020 8:44 PM  

Roberts would let them have standing because Democrats.

Blogger Ross December 21, 2020 8:47 PM  

Go over to Bill Still's Youtube channel. Very interesting discussion of a 4Chan post between Bill and Dr Jerome Corsi. They think the post has credibility and if it is true then the US is in for an interesting Christmas period.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 21, 2020 8:50 PM  

To sacrifice the first born son

He's Creeping Death

Blogger Yukichi Sensei December 21, 2020 8:53 PM  

Pray for Pence. Electo-archconverter in chief-priest.

Blogger tdcommenter December 21, 2020 8:56 PM  

@1 That's Race Bannon for ya.

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2020 8:58 PM  

Throw out their electors...And please certify the Trump electors...

Blogger pyrrhus December 21, 2020 9:00 PM  

Amusingly, Thomas Jefferson, as VP, certified three irregular Georgia electors in 1800, giving him the Presidency outright, without going to the House, where he might have lost....

Blogger Zorlig December 21, 2020 9:01 PM  

I've been waiting for this. Each time Trump's case has been thrown out their arguments also increasingly throw out any move that Trump can unquestionably legally make, like decorating declaring martial law, or Pense exercising the powers granted to him by law in this process. Like you say, following their own recent rulings, they are without standing to do anything about it.

Blogger Bellomy December 21, 2020 9:03 PM  

If this is true, it's a genius idea.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 21, 2020 9:05 PM  

The last thing I would ever expect from John Roberts is consistency.

Blogger Ransom Smith December 21, 2020 9:09 PM  

I can legitimately imagine Pence with a smug grin as Kamala wenches out from the sidelines.

Blogger FUBARwest December 21, 2020 9:11 PM  

Absolutely love how things always come back to bite them in the ass. The hypocracy will only shine a brighter light on the problem.

Blogger Cinqueports December 21, 2020 9:12 PM  

I have trust in Pence to do the right thing as he sees it and without fear. He has been much abused by the left because of his faith. Had he any personal foibles worth mentioning, the left would have found them by now. I think he understands that abandoning Trump would: a) be dishonorable; b) earn him the enmity of his Christian base; and c) provide him no protection from the leftist mob should they prevail due to him having caved.
If our informant is correct, the legislatures have very little time to put their spines in order (not likely to get Trump to 270). In that case the election is immediately thrown into the House (as newly elected on Trump Coattails and which Trump seems to be putting in line).
A couple of moderately observant of acquaintances (both of whom assume without evidence that I support Biden) who were crowing on December 14 are suddenly concerned that they really don't have it in the bag yet. That is a good sign.

Blogger Lazarus December 21, 2020 9:15 PM  

Thomas Wictor explained this awhile back

Blogger Blume December 21, 2020 9:16 PM  

Please let this be true. Either that or a rubicon crossing are the best christmas presents we can get this year.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 21, 2020 9:24 PM  

My guess is that a few states 'decertify' their elections and 'recertify' with Trump as the winner. Thereby giving him over 270.

Blogger Bogey December 21, 2020 9:25 PM  

Guessing how each state will go PA, GA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, NM, that should give Trump 305 electors and Biden 233.

Blogger Old Griz December 21, 2020 9:37 PM  

The Georgia senate races are critical for Pence. If the Dems win, the senate is 50-50. One or two RINO defectors and Kamala could end up Trump's VP.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 21, 2020 9:43 PM  

@14 Ransom Smith. i had no idea Wench was a verb.

Blogger basementhomebrewer December 21, 2020 9:49 PM  

The State legislatures will do as we have seen them do this whole time, sit on their hands. They won't do anything one way or the other. Pence is going to toss all their votes because they will choose to dither rather than take a stand.

As for residents of those States? Take note of who to primary when this is all said and done, meaning all of them.

Blogger Phelps December 21, 2020 9:52 PM  

This is the reason for the Jan 6 protest by Trump. If there isn't an angry Republican mob outside, the Republican reps will cuck in a heartbeat. A real protest from the right will stiffen their spines.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2020 9:52 PM  

This looks a lot like JM's option 3, from the previous thread:
JM wrote:3. Throw out all votes from all contested states. Neither candidate gets 270. Much more moral than 2--sends message that corruption will not be tolerated. Requires much more spine than 2, but less than 1. Explicitly kicks the can to Congress.
with a side order of ``you states can still fix your screwups,'' which further reduces the requirement that Pence nut up and do something good.
Cinqueports wrote:I have trust in Pence to do the right thing as he sees it ...
As he sees it? That's a weak reed, because he's a spineless cuck who cucks eagerly at the first frown. If somebody says something mean, he'll reflexively fold. We saw it when he was governor of Indiana, and if we're relying on ``the right thing as he sees it,'' we're likely to see more cucking and jiving.

Blogger Unknown December 21, 2020 9:57 PM  

You don't understand what just happened today. Tens of millions of people just got red-pilled on how quadrillions of dollars are moved around. They are out for blood.

Blogger Cedric December 21, 2020 9:59 PM  

The Supreme Court has already had its credibility completely torpedoed. They are done as a political entity, which was an excellent move to close out early.

Blogger Chip Hazard December 21, 2020 10:00 PM  


Pence is a good man. I've met him.

He's put up with a lot of abuse from the Left as well as the Right, the fake Right, and the Alt-Right.

Blogger Jswenson December 21, 2020 10:02 PM  

Isn't Pence Deep State? Trump needs to remember that he can't trust anyone in his inner circle, and it is he, and he alone, that will need to cross the Rubicon.

Blogger D. December 21, 2020 10:25 PM  

Georgia GOP Rep. Hice Reports on White House Meeting With Pres. Trump and V.P. Pence: Vows to Object on Jan. 6 to State’s Electors

Blogger Mast Abeam December 21, 2020 10:29 PM  

Hi Vox, I followed some of the links you put forth from Dan @Codemonkey and found a great break down of U.S.C. 3 1-21 from Ivan Raiklin.

the article:

Blogger Mast Abeam December 21, 2020 10:31 PM  

Edit Ron @CodemonkeyZ

Blogger Heath D December 21, 2020 10:41 PM  

Merry Christmas and God Bless TGE and his supporters! Long live America!

Anonymous Anonymous December 21, 2020 10:46 PM  

I've read on several sites today that foreign intelligence agencies were monitoring the election in real-time and have passed the proof of fraud over to the Trump team:

I don't doubt the Trump people have absolute proof of fraud, although I highly doubt the implication our people didn't have possession of the proof and the foreign intelligence agencies came forward to the Trump teams pleasant surprise. We probably won't find out the real deep story behind all that, but for our purposes who knows and who cares as long we get our victory. I'm not tired of winning in the slightest.

Blogger Ghost of Nathan Bedford Forrest December 21, 2020 10:53 PM  

Deus vult!

Blogger Dafo December 21, 2020 11:05 PM  

Love it. Sure, states can run their elections however they like, but they can’t send out conflicting results. Seems the state legislatures (and the people who elected them) cannot be ignored after all.

Just my two Pence.

Blogger MichaelJMaier December 21, 2020 11:07 PM  

Sean Carnegie wrote:Roberts would let them have standing because Democrats.


Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeBron James loves Asian Rape Farms and Slave Labor ) December 21, 2020 11:28 PM  

Where it doesn't have standing anymore.

in such an eventuality, i expect Roberts and the rest of the Lawless, Treasonous robes to reverse their own < 2 week old ruling and accept an accelerated challenge from the Cheating States.

Blogger Kirk December 21, 2020 11:29 PM  

Before Pence, at least one congressman and one senator need to object, and then at least one chamber (house or senate) will have to side with Trump, no?

If Mitch does not support Trump, it won't be up to Pence if I read correctly.

Blogger Kingkong December 21, 2020 11:53 PM  

That last sentence blew my mind a bit, maybe what the supreme court did was part of the plan all along.

Blogger Stilicho December 21, 2020 11:57 PM  

It is interesting that allowing the swing state/Biden state governments a chance to certify the fraud a second time is include in the possible options. This would serve to include additional evidence of fraud that has come to light since the original certifications (such as the Antrim County Dominion machine forensic analysis plus anything else that comes to light before re-certification) as part of what those officials are certifying. If one were building a case against such officials...

On the other hand, if they re-certify and re-validate the slates of Biden electors, it takes away the easy lay-up for Pence to toss any state votes where ther are competing slates. Pence can still do it, but it won't appear as easily justifiable in the court of public opinion. Potentially giving up an easier path to victory suggests Trump's team is playing for keeps.

What we don't know is what is going on behind the scenes. What various officials and Congressmen have benn shown and told privately--which also plays into keeping Republicucks from cucking if the election is thrown to the house. Media discussions assume Republican majority House delegations would vote for Trump, but experience shows that cuckservatives will betray him any time they think they can get away with it. So again, we are left wondering about possible machinations behind the scenes and what further evidence may be being revealed as part of them.

Blogger Jmacpatriot December 21, 2020 11:58 PM  

This is the plan...Christmas Eve off tamps down the rancor from the leftover Obama syncophants in DC...One short week and then another Federal holiday, and Supremes don't have standing to compel VP to certify contested Electors. Sole authority to accept Electors resides with the President of the Senate...or he throws out both sets from the contested States and President wins re-election 232 to 227. 12th Amendment says simple majority...All legal with historical precedent and if Biden contests it is on him to prove the legality of the DEM electors from the contested States. The onus shifts...the fraud is exposed. Jan 6 DC is flooded with red hats and MAGA flags so there will be overwhelming support from the citizenry. Sidney Powell is tagged with Special Counsel duties by the new AG with Barr retired and the Hunter Biden case moves ahead since it has been in active investigation for two years and is most likely 99% complete. Cufflinks will be in style...Then its a question of acceptance or not from the left.

Blogger Dafo December 22, 2020 12:19 AM  

Just thought that if Pence takes down their cheating results, he would have a great chance of serving following the God Emperor’s 2nd term. Having been the only one with power to protect the people’s votes and the stones to actually do it could go a long way. Let’s see.

Blogger D. December 22, 2020 12:19 AM  

Sean Spicer Interviews Rudy Giuliani on Latest Developments and Legal Election Processes, Two Groups Have Distinct Approaches

Blogger SciVo December 22, 2020 12:28 AM  

@ Billy McVein:

I don't doubt the Trump people have absolute proof of fraud, although I highly doubt the implication our people didn't have possession of the proof and the foreign intelligence agencies came forward to the Trump teams pleasant surprise.

It's plausible in that it's standard Five Eyes practice to spy on each other and then share the data with the target. Basically, the Anglosphere's intel agencies are colluding to help each other get around their respective no-domestic-spying laws. So it might be true, and also no surprise at all.

Blogger Make Mine Texas December 22, 2020 1:27 AM  

It is when Kameltoe does it.

Blogger damaris.tighe December 22, 2020 2:48 AM  

Didas Kalos wrote:@14 Ransom Smith. i had no idea Wench was a verb.

My grandmother used to say darkly that men "were out wenching". Northern English.

Blogger CoolHand December 22, 2020 3:15 AM  

@45 That would be some pretty glorious symmetry for Trump to use FiveEyes spying to destroy the cabal after the cabal tried to use it to destroy him and failed.

An extra special twist of the shiv, that one.

Blogger Bogey December 22, 2020 3:28 AM  

The more I think about this the more risky it sounds, the one thing that we can be sure of are the Republicans tendency to cuck. I'm not even sure the legislatures would have to cast their own elector votes, maybe they can just reaffirm the fist electors sent without risking their own careers and lives.

In the latest update Pence was present at the latest meeting. No remote meetings now, can't take a chance on it being intercepted. Has to be something big.

Blogger Unknown December 22, 2020 3:28 AM  

Everyone could see how anti-Semitic that bill is, Israel should get at least 6 quadrillion dollars MINIMUM.

Doesn't anyone in the US care that the growing number of holocaust survivors might need more money despite Israel having a 10+ billion budget surplus for at least 5 years in a row now?

That's no way to treat God's Chosen, you anti-Semites!

Think of the survivors, please, they need your money, you filthy goyim!

In 2016:
"There Are Just 100,000 Holocaust Survivors Alive Today"

In 2020:
"There are 192,000 Holocaust survivors living in Israel"

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz December 22, 2020 3:42 AM  

Also connected: Google vs. 35 States.
At last someone understood that "the control of the money flow = the political power".
I does not matter from that money come from, be it private sector, gold mines or overinflated CIA budget. My guess is that China is just a fellow traveler of BigTech trying to werstle pover from the US Gov.

Anonymous Anonymous December 22, 2020 4:56 AM  

@30 I hope he (and any others planning act in such a way) have some good protection lined up. He's liable to have an "accident" over the Christmas break.

Blogger Kilo4/11 December 22, 2020 5:38 AM  

@21 Old Griz: "One or two RINO defectors and Kamala could end up Trump's VP." Wouldn't mind seeing that. Endless opportunities for TGE to humble her and we get to watch! After 4 years of psychological torture she will be a broken shell, happy to flee Washington forever.

Blogger Ranger December 22, 2020 7:26 AM  

@53 She'd end up dangerously and crazily in love with him; women love Alpha bad boys, even more when they are their direct superiors in a power hierarchy.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 22, 2020 7:31 AM  

What's the seventh state? I only know of six, though there might possibly be as many as fourteen, including all of Maine's electoral votes instead of just one and Nebraska's one that Trump allegedlylost. Fourteen states that Trump actually had stolen from him, accoding to OANN.

Along with the ooenly disputed six, they are- California, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, Maine, New Hampshire and, I think, Connecticut and Rhode Island.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 22, 2020 8:10 AM  

Chip Hazard wrote:Pence is a good man. I've met him.
I heard similar stuff about Carter. Pence may well be saved, but he seems to think Jesus was nice, and bad theology makes him useless.
Dafo wrote:Just thought that if Pence takes down their cheating results, he would have a great chance of serving following the God Emperor’s 2nd term. Having been the only one with power to protect the people’s votes and the stones to actually do it could go a long way. Let’s see.
If he actually stands up to the Left and the media, that would go a long way to redeem him. I still don't see him as an adequate successor to Trump.

Blogger Ranger December 22, 2020 9:14 AM  

@Vox, if Pence is, as assumed by many, a Bravo, will the Bravo's tendency to follow and defend the Alpha (Trump) overrule any Swampiness that Pence may have?

Blogger Ranger December 22, 2020 10:02 AM  

@55, I believe it was New Mexico that also sent alternative electors. It's a great thing they did, otherwise I'm not sure if Trump would have a majority of Electors if ALL are counted (or if NONE in dispute are counted).

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 22, 2020 12:54 PM  


Blogger JM December 22, 2020 1:56 PM  

Azimus wrote:52. Professor of LogicDecember 21, 2020 2:40 PM

3. Mike Pence throwing out the fraudulent electoral votes on January 6

What happens if Pence throws out both sets of electors for the states who submitted two? Then nobody gets to 270, and it goes to the House, correct? I expect that to be how it happens. Unless of course we wake up on Christmas morning and find that the internet is down, then something more exciting happened.

It's important to future generations that he not choose to disregard the alternate electoral votes. It's even more important that he disregard obviously corrupt votes. As we are seeing, when the Supremes fail us, it could be used as a backup. Option 1 would be best, provided he has enough spine to do it.

Blogger MrNiceguy December 22, 2020 5:19 PM  

You know he'd send her as the official Administration representative at Biden's funeral.

Blogger MrNiceguy December 22, 2020 5:21 PM  

The important question: Is she good at making sandwiches?

Blogger Professional Mathlete December 22, 2020 8:02 PM  

Pence’s way is better. Only thing I can envision right now that would create some legitimacy.

Blogger Kilo4/11 December 22, 2020 8:54 PM  

@61 Nice.

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