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Monday, December 07, 2020

Flynn team collects MI Dominion data

Even some local sheriffs are in on the steal, but they can't stop what's coming.

0902 EST – Local sheriff tried to prevent Flynn forensics team from entering courthouse in Antrim County – but they are now in!

0950 EST – Flynn cyber team has removed Dominion hard drive and is copying, will take 6-8 hours

1230 EST – Antrim County Administrator tries to take pictures and dox forensic team, forced to delete pictures

2300 EST – Flynn Cyber Team Successfully Collected Antrim County, MI Dominion Hard Drive Data…Analysis Tomorrow

Looks like everyone is going to learn that military intelligence is not an oxymoron after all. 

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78 Comments:

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira December 07, 2020 7:05 AM  

Nice to hear that doxxing moron was forced to delete the pictures. Military doesn't play games.

Blogger Dave Rolf December 07, 2020 7:09 AM  

Vox, do you believe that this whole process needs to be finished before 14th December when the Electors meet and vote? If Joe Biden gets 270 electors but received electoral votes that are illegitimate, where would that lead the process?

Does Donald Trump need to make his move and Cross the Rubicon before they vote on 14th December?

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli December 07, 2020 7:15 AM  

Please God.

Blogger Akulkis December 07, 2020 7:17 AM  

"1230 EST – Antrim County Administrator tries to take pictures and dox forensic team,”

That right there is an arrestable federable offense, interfering with a federal officer who is performing his official duties.

Blogger Cedric December 07, 2020 7:18 AM  

That's some awfully suspicious behavior from the county officials if there's nothing to find there.

Blogger peacefulposter December 07, 2020 7:45 AM  

Perhaps military intelligence hasn't yet been "diversified" like the rest of the military.

Or the military police. Where is Jack Reacher?

Blogger Unknown December 07, 2020 7:45 AM  

Probably not the same team who got the data from Maricopa County (AZ), but I would bet the same team is analyzing the data

GA/MI, AZ look like Team Trump is going to force a flip of the EVs by demonstrating undeniable fraud. PA Legislature seems to maybe have grown a pair and will send Trump Electors to DC.

GA/MI + AZ + PA == Trump re-elected *without* having to Cross the Rubicon, which once he's "re-elected" he'll probably have to do anyway.

Blogger Ken Prescott December 07, 2020 7:45 AM  

6-8 hours to copy a hard drive?

How much data does a voting machine need?

Blogger Eduardo December 07, 2020 7:47 AM  

Time to go water my popcorn plantation...

Blogger AJ Popo December 07, 2020 7:50 AM  

I have so little faith in the courts and legislatures that I assume the plan is to present the evidence to the American people before crossing the Rubicon.

I really hope that's true.

Blogger Rocklea Marina December 07, 2020 7:53 AM  

Can you imagine being in the way of anything General Flynn is trying to achieve right now? Sonetimes when the wicked flee they really are being pursued.

Blogger teemac December 07, 2020 8:01 AM  

starting to get real for the little people at least

Blogger Trooper Dean December 07, 2020 8:01 AM  

Hi

Blogger Jpc December 07, 2020 8:03 AM  

How long does it take for a news station to start reporting (not offering opinions or following DNC press releases)?
This is incredible stuff!

Blogger Balkan Yankee December 07, 2020 8:03 AM  

Civic officials behaving like they have something to hide from former military intelligence officials.

We don't see that every day.

Blogger Trooper Dean December 07, 2020 8:05 AM  

How is the local sheriff blocking a court order

Blogger basementhomebrewer December 07, 2020 8:07 AM  

Normalcy bias is strong. State officials are openly opposing any efforts to examine the vote data and many people still think there is "no evidence".

Blogger shoe December 07, 2020 8:10 AM  

Why would the team report to Flynn? He is not part of the President's legal team. They would report to Jenna Ellis or her surrogate. They did conduct a forensic audit yesterday according to court order but this is made up.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 07, 2020 8:19 AM  

That the attempt to dox the team didn't end with a rifle butt to the teeth is why this snarking douchebaggery continues.
Its like were all effete butlers compared to our grandfathers.

Blogger onyomi December 07, 2020 8:22 AM  

Don't know if this particular find will move the needle, but glad to see they are at least adopting a more aggressive approach. Anything they're happy to hand over with ample warning after going through a bunch of legal procedures is unlikely to matter.

Blogger Brant Thacker December 07, 2020 8:24 AM  

Sounds like civil war to me.

Blogger Dark Herald December 07, 2020 8:25 AM  

I called some long time residents of Antrim county.

Sheriff Daniel Bean is a Republican. No surprise since Antrim is as Redneck as you can get.

However, he was challenged in the primary for his badge this year.

And pulled off what they described as a "surprise" win.

Read from that what you will.

Blogger thethirdcoast December 07, 2020 8:30 AM  

Here is a photo of the Antrim County Sheriff:

http://www.antrimcounty.org/sheriffs_admin.asp

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 07, 2020 8:46 AM  

And people thought the pardon was so he could have a happy Thanksgiving ha. The ride never ends

Blogger Gettimothy December 07, 2020 8:51 AM  

Local sheriff tried to prevent Flynn forensics team from entering courthouse in Antrim County – but they are now in!


Must of been some persuasive rhetoric!

I wonder what it sounded like.

Blogger Harambe December 07, 2020 8:55 AM  

They gon' learn today

Blogger The Last Roman December 07, 2020 9:03 AM  

This is good to hear: "Patriots had circled the courthouse preventing county workers from wiping the machines until the forensics team arrive." Everyone can do their part, even civilians.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 07, 2020 9:14 AM  

More interesting is that the team was accompanied by MI legislator GEN Jack Bergman RET. I'm wondering now how many of the upper ranks forced out by Obummer are working for the White hats.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 07, 2020 9:15 AM  

@ken I think it's 22 Machines

Blogger Leahn Novash December 07, 2020 9:21 AM  

They're likely copying the entire harddrive. OS included.

Blogger Andrew Jackson December 07, 2020 9:24 AM  

Perp walks please!

Blogger Louis Cypher December 07, 2020 9:24 AM  

It doesn't take that long to image a drive so I'm guessing they are going to try and capture images and logs of everything in that building. I'm curious as to why this is Flynn's team. If the Sheriff tried to stop them then who told him to try? Who specifically told the workers to go in and delete the data?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 07, 2020 9:28 AM  

thethirdcoast wrote:Here is a photo of the Antrim County Sheriff:
...
A picture is worth a thousand words.

Effete butlers, indeed.

Blogger Silent Draco December 07, 2020 9:37 AM  

Ken Prescott, imaging the hard drive can take up to 6-8 hours to copy and then confirm the entire drive contents (all sectors) were transferred intact in the original configuration, and without upset. Transfer includes all sectors, to cover files that were accidentally erased on purpose but can be recovered. This includes time to restart, preferably on a fresh drive, for an imperfect copy. Also need hard-copy paperwork to certify the steps and establish chain of custody. I would not be surprised that multiple certified copies were imaged, in case of "unfortunate accidents."

Blogger maragaretwalker December 07, 2020 9:38 AM  

The Michigan Secretary of State tried to get election data scrubbed last week in a memo.
https://nationalfile.com/michigan-secretary-of-state-issues-order-to-delete-election-data-amid-audit-calls/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 07, 2020 9:38 AM  

My state went Trump by 15% but my county "leans" Democratic, but my vote was tallied by a Dominion machine so I wonder how much that "lean" is actually a thumb on the electoral scale.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 07, 2020 9:40 AM  

Hey sheriff Butterball, a Hostess Twinkie van overturned on the highway. Quick. Go.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 07, 2020 9:48 AM  

...Can you imagine being in the way of anything General Flynn is trying to achieve right now?..

Yeah. I bet he is a man on a singular mission pulling on all his spook hat tricks.

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 07, 2020 9:56 AM  

Intel operators don't mess around. Especially when it comes to Information Operations like the one we're currently in.

As for the reporting about scrubbing, $20 says these idiots are just deleting files, thinking that's enough. That's cute.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 07, 2020 9:59 AM  

"Just following orders".

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 07, 2020 10:01 AM  

A rifle butt to the teeth would have been good.

A bayonet to the gut would have been even better.

Blogger Chiva December 07, 2020 10:05 AM  

@Silent Draco. Also one of the final steps would be to get rolling checksums of the data contained on the original devices for verification purposes to ensure the data on the copy devices has not changed after the copy is complete.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 07, 2020 10:05 AM  

Great detective work. If your apparent inference is correct, and I don't see how it could not be, Bean needs to be arrested yesterday.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 07, 2020 10:09 AM  

He looks like he might be about halfway through the transition process.

Blogger Krymneth December 07, 2020 10:32 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:6-8 hours to copy a hard drive?

How much data does a voting machine need?


Putting numbers on what Silent Draco said: Assuming they are using cheap old-style spinning hard drives, they read at maybe 50 megabytes/second. If you have a terabyte drive in them, which is very cheap in bulk now, that's 6 hours just to dump the drive once. Forensically, you need the whole drive, not just the currently-written files.

The drives may be smaller than that, but the forensic process may involve reading it more than once for verification, so, multiply and divide by small integer factors to taste.

As for why they may have such large drives, every drive you can buy now is massively larger than a voting machine needs, and there is some reason they ought to buy a bit upscale for such a use which may push capacities higher. (You want the cheating in the system to be done by software; Dominion/Smartmatic/etc is just straight up in trouble if a hard drive fails.) Systems may also have multiple drives for redundancy, and, again, forensically, you need an image of everything in the system, not just what is being "used".

So, yes, multiple hours. If they were putting SSDs in there, it might go much faster, but at the moments the economics don't favor that for mass-produced machines that don't need that level of performance.

Blogger OneWingedShark December 07, 2020 10:33 AM  

Ken Prescott wrote:6-8 hours to copy a hard drive?
How much data does a voting machine need?
Leahn Novash wrote:They're likely copying the entire harddrive. OS included.
The only time I've had that long of a time to copy a hard drive is when it was starting to fail and I threw in in the disk-duplicator. —Retrying/reading off those failing sectors can be a pain.— Even the big 12TB+ drives don't take six hours under normal conditions.

AJ Popo wrote:I have so little faith in the courts and legislatures that I assume the plan is to present the evidence to the American people before crossing the Rubicon.
I really hope that's true.

I've come to the conclusion that the most corrupt and lawless of the branches is the Judiciary. Take, for example, the notion of "standing", which is a relatively new legal-concept and designed to preemptively dismiss a complaint. We saw this used in most of the Obama eligibility cases. Another example is the concept labeled "Judicial Immunity", wherein the courts have declared themselves above the law, thereby they are in de facto sedition and rebellion against the Constitution which imposes strict language against government. Even though it's 5 years old, this article about a judge just making up a criminal charge is illustrative when it says: "A judge has absolute civil immunity, even if the action “was in error, was done maliciously, or was in excess of his authority,”" — got that? A judge cannot be held accountable even if he operated outside of lawful authority "with malice aforethought".

Balkan Yankee wrote:Civic officials behaving like they have something to hide from former military intelligence officials.
We don't see that every day.

Indeed.
What's really weird about the whole thing is that virtually all Americans you "meet on the street", regardless of (R) or (D), want a fair/just and reliable vote.

Blogger Angantyr December 07, 2020 11:06 AM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:That the attempt to dox the team didn't end with a rifle butt to the teeth is why this snarking douchebaggery continues.

Its like were all effete butlers compared to our grandfathers.


Exactly. This happy horseshit would end in about .03 nanoseconds if some teeth were knocked out.

Blogger Krymneth December 07, 2020 11:10 AM  

In terms of crossing the Rubicon, the die is pretty much cast; it must be done. The enemy will permit nothing less.

What Trump is doing now, though, is getting the consent of the governed. I think it is a bit ironic that people who grow up in democracies/republics, nominally systems built on the consent of the governed, end up with the wrong idea of what it is. Democracies/republics tend to leave you with the idea that the consent of the governed is 50%+1 votes (real votes, not fraud votes), but that's only correlated, not the actual definition.

It's more like a weighted average of how strongly people consent, and the current government/status quo gets a rather whackingly large vote in the weighted average. It's hard to put numbers on it, but regimes in practice can in practice survive for long periods of time with just something like a 30% consent, as long as they don't let the people who don't consent get too strong, extreme, or organized. Skillful government perhaps might even let it get down to %15-%10, though that becomes very dangerous; they're dancing on the edge of a cliff there and you can get collapse-of-Soviet-communism levels of problem if you fail.

I infer (as I mentioned on SG) from the fact we had a poll about a week-and-a-half-ago about how many people consider the vote illegitimate, but we haven't heard any updates since, that Trump is making progress on convincing the people that this is not a legitimate election. I believe the idea was to set up a narrative "oh look at all the idiots who think this was stolen, go make fun of them and socially pressure them" but the narrative started to be busted when the numbers tipped so far that it started to provide social proof to us doubters instead and they realized even a lying poll was too dangerous and they needed to just kill the whole line of inquiry.

As long as that is the direction of the momentum, Trump's position is getting stronger every day, and thus, hurry would be counterproductive.

Which means that those of us who are already convinced get to be impatient waiting, but it's the plan for a reason. Violence is inevitable, but there's a big difference between a populace that isn't clear on who is who and has a non-trivial amount of support for the fraudsters and Cabal, and a populace that may even vaguely disapprove of the violence or be annoyed at the martial law but no longer supports the fraudsters enough to be willing to take any concrete step to support them and allows Trump to do what needs to be done, even if they mau-mau him in the process.

If Trump had moved the day after election, it would have been civil war. If Trump moves now, it might not be civil war but might still net damage the body politic. If Trump moves in a week or two, it will be violent but there starts to be a realistic chance that what comes out the other end is more like a country in recovery from a big tumor being removed than someone blasted to bits on a battlefield.

Blogger Bezzle December 07, 2020 11:11 AM  

@8. Ken Prescott December 07, 2020 7:45 AM
6-8 hours to copy a hard drive?
How much data does a voting machine need?


I would assume they're doing a full sector-copy using the likes of ddrescue. This would clone the entirety of the device, including hidden or encrypted partitions.

Blogger Unknown December 07, 2020 11:27 AM  

Abandoned school bus full of voting machines in Buckeye AZ, east of Phoenix.

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/election-2020/school-bus-breaks-down-in-maracopa-county-az---loaded-with-voting-machines/93674641/

Blogger Didas Kalos December 07, 2020 11:32 AM  

About now would be a good time for Team Trump to release (er, leak) some interesting photos from Weiner's laptop.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 07, 2020 11:33 AM  

shoe wrote:Why would the team report to Flynn? He is not part of the President's legal team. They would report to Jenna Ellis or her surrogate.
Unable to read your own sentence? That's a new level. Why can't Gen Flynn have been hired by the Trump legal team specifically for this sort of action? He would probably be the very best person in the country to do this.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 07, 2020 11:41 AM  

Pre-op or post-pop is the only question that comes to mind.

Blogger Dafo December 07, 2020 11:48 AM  

An exact copy would take more time than just dragging files over. They probably want the deleted bits, too.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 07, 2020 12:18 PM  

Is anyone going to bet money that the pardon sent to Flynn accompanied a recall to active duty?

Flynn is a Lieutenant General. They are subject to recall as long as they are alive.

Blogger liberranter December 07, 2020 12:26 PM  

That didn't work at Nuremberg and it's not going to work with the Trump Team Tribunals either.

Blogger Angantyr December 07, 2020 12:32 PM  

It occurs to me, however, that perhaps the rifle butt to the face did not happen because they were using M4 carbines, with their relatively delicate stock arrangement.

Not like the good old days with the M-14/Garand/M1903 where a sturdy butt stroke could be performed with marvelous effectiveness.

As Confucius once said, "That'll leave a mark!"

Blogger Jack Amok December 07, 2020 12:33 PM  

The switch is definitely no longer set to "normal" if a Sheriff can't prevent someone from entering his own county courthouse. I'd very much like to know details of how that confrontation played out.

Blogger liberranter December 07, 2020 12:39 PM  

@ 50 Unknown:

Abandoned school bus full of voting machines in Buckeye AZ, east of Phoenix.

Just to set the record straight, Buckeye is located 60 miles west of Phoenix. Although it's become somewhat developed over the last 10-15 years, a lot of it is still open desert, so that's as good a place as any to ditch a school bus (or anything else) and have it not be found for a while.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 07, 2020 1:08 PM  

Angantyr,

Exactly why I use the Ace SOCOM 2 rifle stocks for any rifle I build that wasn't lost in a canoe accident, which is all of them.

It's made for the buttstrokez and even has a no shit meat tenderizer on the bottom of the stock, just in case the raison d'etre isn't clear.

Blogger Gator McCluskey December 07, 2020 1:36 PM  

@60 $250 for a stock?!?! that is too rich for my blood.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 07, 2020 1:56 PM  

You get what you pay for

Blogger CarpeOro December 07, 2020 2:07 PM  

The disapprobation or sneering at "military intelligence" is like any blanket slander. It avoids defining what it is or what expectations are. I remember someone in the military dumping on them for Korea and advising MacArthur to not make the landing at Inchon. No mention of the information that was gathered and provided to MacArthur regarding troop strength, tidal charts, etc. What is the function of Military Intelligence? To provide information and recommendations - not make the final decisions. Since I had served in intelligence at the time, if I had the chance to raise the question, my question to him would have been "So you think there is an issue with how it is performed and your in the military. When did you put in your request to transfer to intelligence?" If you have a problem with something, casting aspersions and not providing solutions doesn't cut it. Unless you think it shouldn't exist to begin with of course, which is a valid position.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 07, 2020 2:35 PM  

@60: the stock and the bayonet are the big plusses of the Garand and M14. The little pointy thing we can lock onto the flash hider of the FALs is nice, but neither the FALs nor the ARs are optimal clubs.

Blogger Gator McCluskey December 07, 2020 2:50 PM  

@62 true, but an A2 stock is only $60. I'd have no problem buttstroking a commie with that and I can use the extra $190 for ammo!

Blogger Gator McCluskey December 07, 2020 2:52 PM  

@62 having said that, that stock is cool as hell and I WANT ONE!!!

Blogger El Rojo December 07, 2020 2:59 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:My state went Trump by 15% but my county "leans" Democratic, but my vote was tallied by a Dominion machine so I wonder how much that "lean" is actually a thumb on the electoral scale.

The perennial DNC "Thumb on the Scale" could be a real big issue going forward...

Many of us grew up being told that we were in a more or less 50-50 country.

What happens if it is revealed that the US is actually more like 60-40? And it is only due to pervasive DNC fraud that the 50-50 illusion has been maintained?

A whole lot of people are gonna be just a wee bit upset...

Blogger Jack Amok December 07, 2020 3:01 PM  

The schoolbus story was of course rapidly "debonked" as not full of voting machines, but rather just office equipment bought at auction.

Just what is the truth? I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me if The Swamp was throwing out clickbait bogus fraud stories to try and discredit real fraud stories - "See, those stupid Trumpers were wrong about the school bus, you should ignore everything else they say too."

The school bus story is odd. We'll see. Or not, the story might just disappear into the desert the way the school bus was supposed to.

Blogger Angantyr December 07, 2020 5:23 PM  

kennymac wrote:@62 true, but an A2 stock is only $60. I'd have no problem buttstroking a commie with that and I can use the extra $190 for ammo!

Yeah, but if your stock gets smashed you won't be able to use your rifle very well, if at all. Remember, your recoil spring and buffer go in there - damage that badly enough and you will end up with a very clumsy and delicate club.

Blogger eclecticme December 07, 2020 6:10 PM  

I understand that the Dominion source code is not available to the govt. I find that shocking. Given that, I wonder how long it would take to decompile the machine code into a source code? It would be nice to see what the program actually did. I would imagine it would take months or years? I recall the Stuxnet virus took Symantech maybe a month to decompile, using teams working a total 24 hours per day distributed around the globe.

Blogger Jack Amok December 07, 2020 7:03 PM  

I wonder how long it would take to decompile the machine code into a source code? It would be nice to see what the program actually did. I would imagine it would take months or years?

Doubt it would takes months, certainly not years. In the mid-2000's, when Microsoft released a Windows security update, it took hackers less than a month to reverse-engineer the fix and so figure out what vulnerability Microsoft had patched. Ergo, by release a fix for a publicly unknown exploit, they started the clock ticking on it being created.

And that was for a massively complex operating system fifteen years ago. I imagine Dominion could be reverse engineered in a matter of hours today.

Blogger Jack Amok December 07, 2020 7:16 PM  

Yeah, but if your stock gets smashed you won't be able to use your rifle very well, if at all. Remember, your recoil spring and buffer go in there - damage that badly enough and you will end up with a very clumsy and delicate club.

I have a telescoping stock on one of my ARs. Not a very expensive stock, it has a knurled screw to setting the tension on the lock pin, and a set screw for the tension screw. I suppose I should have use locktite or something on the set screw, because making the gun go bang a lot caused the set screw to back out, then the tension screw loosened, and then the recoil on one shot cased the stock to collapse.

The rifle started Failure-to-feed short stroking after that, and it kept short stroking until I pulled the buffer and spring out, cleaned them, and put them back in. Never saw any obvious damage, but it definitely didn't like the stock collapsing on a shot like that.

I ordered a MagPul replacement.

Blogger map December 07, 2020 7:50 PM  

thethirdcoast wrote:Here is a photo of the Antrim County Sheriff:

http://www.antrimcounty.org/sheriffs_admin.asp

A picture is worth a thousand words.


ooofff...

He needs a forensic examination of all of his computers, all of his USB drives, including ones hidden in the walls, and an examination of his backyard.

Blogger map December 07, 2020 7:56 PM  

I think federal forces use the Opentext EnCase platform and AccessData to do forensics. They have a full suite of tools from acquisition to analysis.

The forensic copies would be bit-by-bit copies from the first bit of the first sector to the last bit of the last sector. The process also includes verification of the data integrity and hashing the entire drive. It can take a long time depending on granularity.

Blogger map December 07, 2020 8:05 PM  

Has anyone considered reinforcing AR parts with LineX or some other truck bedliner?

Blogger eclecticme December 07, 2020 11:17 PM  

I recall that the Dominion systems store the vote totals as floating point numbers. This was justified as the system was also used for COOP and home owners associating voting. I wonder if the values themselves would be used to show vote counting fraud. How many zeroes are there after the vote count totals?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 08, 2020 9:37 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Exactly why I use the Ace SOCOM 2 rifle stocks for any rifle I build ...

It's made for the buttstrokez ...

Now that I've had a chance to look at them, they look like they are a higher quality version of the standard AR buffer tube. Stoner's design is an adequate target rifle, and pretty shitty for any serious social purpose, and I don't see that this changes that.

Blogger Greasy Bear December 10, 2020 1:03 PM  

I thought the state sherriff was allowed to deny federal agents.
Maybe my civics education is faulty. Glad the agents got through though.

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