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Friday, December 18, 2020

It's perfectly safe!


Only confirmed idiots will be getting this "vaccine". It hasn't been comprehensively tested for efficacy, it obviously hasn't been tested for long-term health effects, it hasn't gone through the normal scientific testing routines, and most damningly, the manufacturer is not liable for any adverse effects. And it's being relentlessly pushed by a group of people who very publicly advocate lowering the global population, so it won't be even a little surprising if scientists eventually "discover" that it inhibits fertility.

This YouTube comment pretty much sums up the current situation: 
Now guys look, I know this looks bad, yes. I know that the nurse who took this vaccine that was developed in under a year and has no long-term testing, has fallen completely unconscious five minutes after taking it. And sure we faked the first nurse getting the vaccine by just having him get poked with a needle while the guy administrating it pretended to inject him with an empty syringe. Sure we're threatening the medical licenses of doctors who express even the slightest reservations about this vaccine and actively silencing and banning the accounts of people who are saying they don't trust the vaccine and shitposters making memes about it. But I think you're just being paranoid and engaging in misinformation and contributing to the formation of baseless conspiracy theories.
But let's be fair. These covid vaccines may well have a positive eugenics effect over time, as only the less intelligent will be dumb enough to take it.

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Blogger maniacprovost December 18, 2020 8:02 AM  

Wait.... Has the intellectual level of mainstream discourse now dropped below the level of YouTube comments?

Blogger The Observer December 18, 2020 8:05 AM  

In before the usual shills come packing in to tell us how it's completely safe and we're all being paranoid.

Blogger Mirko i Slavko December 18, 2020 8:07 AM  

Darwin award vaccine.

Anonymous Anonymous December 18, 2020 8:13 AM  

The less intelligent, and/or the cowardly.

The latter are worse, no?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 18, 2020 8:15 AM  

HL Mencken approved

Blogger The Lab Manager December 18, 2020 8:19 AM  

Good point:
"Private businesses like Walmart or airlines can require you to take the vaccine before entry, I just don't want the government to mandate it," is a blue-pilled libertarian take, and shows that you have the brain function of a clubbed seal.

Blogger Keef December 18, 2020 8:20 AM  

Sigh...I think so. You can actually find a touch of coherence on YouTube comments

Blogger Emmanuel December 18, 2020 8:24 AM  

You are young and healthy. People over 70 (or with heavy preconditions) could/should definitely go for the vaccine, regardless of risks.

Blogger Doctor Boom December 18, 2020 8:26 AM  

When memes make themselves.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 18, 2020 8:29 AM  

My greatest personal moral struggle is on the one hand the efforts of the eugenics movement and their evil while at the same time, lots of stupid people deserving evil.
It strikes me as a little bowtie-ish trying to save the very people who would sooner vote me into a gulag.

I think that the "people in control" pushed this "every man a king and gets a girl" thing at the start of the industrial revolution because the IR needed lots and lots of bodies. Now look at the world up to its neck in deleterious retarded and unhealthy genetics. Nature never came up with results like this. Did civilization get this bad before? I don't know.
But now the Promethians see AI and automation afoot, and having decided so many people are not needed, have, as Roosh once wrote about, turned everything towards anti-fertility. But notably its targeted. The elites want only dumb mutt mix race types who will never dream past the quickest gratifications and indulgences remaining for whatever tasks a robot can't do or would be too much tech for.

But in the end, noticing that the kind of people wanting a vaccine are also the same people who wear a mask while alone in their car, want to declare all guns banned and anybody who disagrees should be shot, and other forms of control freak "Karenism", I think "let them have it and make sure their kids get it too".

Anonymous Anonymous December 18, 2020 8:30 AM  

I unfortunately know a lot of family members and friends who will take it eagerly. They've really done a good job of making many normies think any questions you raise about vaccines are "anti-science". I told one person I spoke to that I was going to let all the important people and then the less fortunate go before me. The politicians, lawyers, public servants, TikTok dancers... ah I mean nurses and bankers and corporate CEOs etc.. These people all need priority of course. Then we can't forget the less fortunate so I am happy for the minorities and immigrants to go next.

Then if they really insist, they can have a couple of police hold me down and force that shit into me too.

Blogger Timmy3 December 18, 2020 8:31 AM  

First responders and seniors are getting it first. The rest of population won’t get it for months later. Best to wait. Other vaccines are coming online. You can choose which ones to try out.

Blogger Homesteader December 18, 2020 8:31 AM  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/?sh=1f417b705247

https://www.unz.com/topic/coronavirus/


It's worse than that- as Hazeltine points out- the trials didn't even have immunity as a criteria for success. The vaccines do not confer immunity.

And- they are mRNA; technically, not really a vaccine at all, as there is no attemuated or killed virus therein.

And- The spike protein issue vs. fertility; I knew the fix was in when I googled those terms, and converged google shot back a page of "debunked" results. (Infertility could not possibly be determined in less than a year.)

Along those lines-we need an InfoGalactic search engine.

Blogger JG December 18, 2020 8:34 AM  

The mRNA vaccines were developed based on work done on MERS and SARS viruses, which are also coronaviruses. All of those vaccines weren't approved due to an array of side effects, which included DEATH.

Now they are foisting this abomination off on us with "emergency" approval, which is nothing more than skipping 99% of the regulatory approval cycles for a normal vaccine, which usually takes 10 years and far more studies than they've done on the mRNA vaccines. The vaccines were deliberately NOT tested, even on lab animals, to discover if they had any effect on fertility or child bearing. And given that the vaccines were funded by the same people who want to reduce the world's population... you can figure that out for yourself.

Blogger Boaty Bear December 18, 2020 8:39 AM  

"as only the less intelligent will be dumb enough to take it"

Stories of sterilization have been around a few weeks, I said to Mrs Boaty Bear that i was fine with that, for the same reason.

Blogger Rex Little December 18, 2020 8:41 AM  

Apparently, Mike Pence is First Idiot

Blogger Jpc December 18, 2020 8:41 AM  

Let them off!
And let's see how things stand in 3 months.
On another note in the EU it's been revealed (accidentally)
The cost of a vaccine has a x 10 price range depending on the supplier.
1.85 euro for the Astra/Oxford not for profit and absolutely hammered by some elements in the MSM.
To 18.50 for the Modena and Pfizer offerings.
The JnJ GSK come in at the 8 euro mark.
These numbers were not to be revealed for commercial confidentiality agreement reasons.
During a deadly pandemic that 99% of the people that contract it survive.
Oh wait something isn't right here!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 18, 2020 8:41 AM  


"US Vice President Mike Pence publicly receives Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine" https://twitter.com/i/events/1339921347216986114?s=09

Is Pence dumb?
Did he actually take the vaccine, or is it another fake injection?
Is he palsied now?

Blogger James G. December 18, 2020 8:42 AM  

Bigbrain tinfoil hat take: This vaccine is for the really big genocidal virus being released next year. The compliant people will be the ones left surviving (with the less able-bodied of them succumbing to eugenic culling), the non-compliant will die through the new virus, hence global slave class secured.

I'll be down in the basement if you need me.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2020 8:45 AM  

Makes me wonder why the GE is pushing the vaccine so much.

Blogger Rocklea Marina December 18, 2020 8:45 AM  

God help us. Watching that was a gut punch.

Blogger David McCarthy December 18, 2020 8:51 AM  

How do you resolve Trump's apparent going all in on the clearly evil vaxxes and your admiration of him?

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen December 18, 2020 8:51 AM  

Let's advocate that all members of the MSM and the political class be the first ones to take the vaccine. The ones who are into mask shaming should themselves be subjected to vaccine shaming. I have a feeling that the narrative of the reporting will quickly change from an out of control pandemic to "there is nothing to see here". So, in that sense, the vaccine would have done its job in stopping the pandemic.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan December 18, 2020 8:52 AM  

Over at Unz there is a piece by a Nation of Islam fella that hits home when it comes to Pfizer and blacks accepting more crap drugs and vaccines. When a guy from NOI sounds more credible then the hand picked clown leading this charge that says something to me.

Did the article on sea power turn out to be crap?

Blogger dtungsten December 18, 2020 8:52 AM  

Has the intellectual level of mainstream discourse now dropped below the level of YouTube comments?

Only below the higher level YouTube comments as of yet.

Blogger Randomatos December 18, 2020 8:54 AM  

"Regardless of risks." Let's pause just a moment on that bit of dumb and see if the poster can recognize his error.

Blogger Rory December 18, 2020 8:55 AM  

There is a friggin PREVENTATIVE and *CURE* for Covid - numerous studies from around the world.... yet ?

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Blogger phunktor December 18, 2020 8:56 AM  

for decades i've been preaching that any nation doing a mass immunization of its population should make the neighbors very very nervous.

Blogger Brett baker December 18, 2020 9:00 AM  

Kinda makes sense, tbh.

Blogger Timmy3 December 18, 2020 9:01 AM  

Biden is getting it next. Trump doesn’t need it since he already had the coronavirus.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 18, 2020 9:02 AM  

Even Trump has his limits of persuasion.

Either that or being a Boomer has cursed him with believing in vaccines.

Blogger Jose Miguel December 18, 2020 9:03 AM  

It is more wisdom than IQ. My family members with IQ's less than 100 don't want it, the ones North of 115 except me all want it. In between is a coin flip. The strongng correlation is with how materialistic they are.

Blogger George D. December 18, 2020 9:04 AM  

The fact that the injection consists of mRNA chain and the fact that we are expected to get regular shots due to "short lived in unity" brings thoughts of gene therapy. AC thinks it might be something similar to SSRIs.
On the positive, less than 10% of the medical workers in my country are willing to take the shot. The previous narrative was that the antiepidemic measures were in place because the medical workers advised the government that they are paramount. The present narrative is that the doctors are not informed about the medical properties of vaccines, and so the government has to make sure they are better informed. 180 degrees turn in narrative. Yesterday doctors geniuses and heroes, today doctors dumb, simple and villains. Btw is it the same in other countries, this might be pre-planned preventive strike, common for all countries included in this operation.

Blogger binks webelf December 18, 2020 9:05 AM  

There are so many videos now emerging of various elite figures "getting the jab", where the cap is obviously still on the syringe, the needle itself retracts into the syringe, or (one presumes) they're getting some Vitamin B shot, saline, IV fluid, water, or something OTHER than the alleged mRNA + God-only-knows-what Fauci/Gates non-vaccine.

Example: https://twitter.com/nickkeca/status/1339897567384133637

This may well be a global-scale crime against humanity, with people rushing to get the mystery-jab because Science Man say so. Me & mine will trust in the immune-systems God gave us. The various Drs. Mengele out there can get stuffed.

Lord have mercy upon us all.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 9:05 AM  

Most of your criticisms are covered by the FDA concept of it not being "approved," the word of art they use in the materials for Pfizer/BioNTech's Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) materials and you should indeed be skeptical of vaccines this early in that process. That's why they're being given first to those in the very highest priority categories, initially hospital health care workers in the US so we don't have to bend the curve so much, locally for me the ceiling for hospital capacity is staff, not raw beds.

Which conveniently is the best place to have an anaphylactic shock adverse event, which is being watched for very carefully, could be something you'd never find in a Phase III trial no matter how long it lasts with in this case 21,000 people being given the vaccine. So if it's say a 1 in 100,000 event you're not likely to find it until Phase IV, "post-marketing." And if turns out to be that sort of frequent, it's not going to get licensure for general populations. Which according to a very unreliable source needs six months of safety data instead of the two for an EUA, this is after all a Trump Operation Warp Speed (OWS) operation.

For the liability issue and the creation of a new "vaccine court" when there already was one established for childhood vaccines that was extended to smallpox after 9/11, you need to ask Team Trump why they're so cheap, no other adult vaccines have such protection, the insane US civil court system means OWS would have to pay a lot more per dose.

As far as "inhibiting fertility," it's been reported that 20% of men with confirmed COVID-19 cases report pain in their testes, and this is being investigated with concerning results so far, there is no risk free option, natural infection or vaccine. Taking a step back, a big advantage of mRNA vaccines is that they're so simple they can be easily tested to make sure they've got only what they claim to have, specific lipids and mRNA just for a stabilized spike protein, no complete but reproduction gimped virus vector (the AZ/Oxford clown show, Sputnik V, and Janssen), no adjuvants to make the immune system pay close attention to just that protein (Novavax, which hasn't even started its US Phase III trial).

Blogger Dos Voltz December 18, 2020 9:06 AM  

Ivermectin and HCQ cocktail are cheap and highly effective. Therefore the "health care" industry (read: sickness prolongation racket) is loathe to advocate them.

Seems like most "frontline heroes" would prefer to topple all the statues of Hippocrates and change their oath to "first, do harm."

Blogger Rory December 18, 2020 9:08 AM  

Covid cure - make it all go away in ONE WEEK!... Karl D - https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240963

Blogger basementhomebrewer December 18, 2020 9:12 AM  

The one thing normies should have gleaned from this whole episode is that the powers that be can neither be trusted nor relied upon, and I am not talking about things outside the narrative.

The government, scientists and news outlets down played the virus from January till mid March. They told people masks weren't effective till April when they reverse coursed and said "oops we were lying because we needed the masks". They fumbled around without any coherent plan or strategy for 6 months. They, still aren't recognizing that they over reacted based on the data now available about both how contagious the virus is, and how deadly it is.


That is all based on a total normie, mainstream point of view. None of them ask themselves, "What if Cornavirus really was as contagious and deadly as we were lead to believe?" 6 months to get a coherent plan of action together, which still doesn't completely lock down movement of people from hot zone foreign countries, would have been way too late. Millions and likely tens of millions of people would have died in the US.

With all that normie level knowledge, they are still trusting that the authorities know what they are doing and can be relied upon. It should have been a giant wake up call that they need to rely on their own judgement and resources.

All that to sum up MPAI.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2020 9:15 AM  

We have investigated our self's and found we did nothing wrong. Yours faithfully the jab company....looking for ways to kill the fake con flu, which has a recovery rate of 99.8 % in England.

Blogger CopperMaran December 18, 2020 9:17 AM  

1)Please stop being racist toward people over 70.

2)Who's going to be the caretakers when all the healthcare workers mandated to take the vaccine can't function?

3)How's PP going to make any money?

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 9:18 AM  

@13 Homesteader: Hazeltine is insane, he claims "Any vaccine trial should include regular antigen testing every three days" Who would sign up to be stuck with a needle every three days for six months? Instead, they do the usual, how many symptomatic and serious cases of the disease in each "arm" of the trials, vaccine and placebo.

And- they are mRNA; technically, not really a vaccine at all, as there is no attemuated or killed virus therein.

So the very vaccine that gave us the name, Variolae vaccinae, smallpox of the cow AKA cowpox, a live virus along with all the other live virus vaccines developed in the last century plus, including for measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), varicella (chicken pox and shingles) and oral polio vaccines are not actually vaccines?

These mRNA vaccines are just like all others in what I'm now calling the "active" class, except they only deliver the mRNA for one protein, not all of a virus, fangs removed or reproduction gimped. The relatively few cells they hijack pump out that protein for a relatively short time before the mRNA gets recycled, bits of that protein get presented on the surface of these cells, the immune system recognizes them as alien and mounts the most complete response you'll get from a vaccine.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 18, 2020 9:19 AM  

Thanks for the laugh. I needed that this morning. Unfortunately, there's probably a lot of truth there.

Blogger Inquisitor Benedictus December 18, 2020 9:20 AM  

Good podcast to follow these past weeks.
https://www.healthrangerreport.com/

Blogger Inquisitor Benedictus December 18, 2020 9:20 AM  

Don't you believe in SCIENCE!?

Blogger Alexei December 18, 2020 9:22 AM  

Saline shot FTW.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2020 9:27 AM  

If Trump is concerned about "nation security," why is this vaccine still being pushed by Trump, Pence (who stated that he will soon take it publically) and other politician? Saving the electorial system more important than maintaining healthy citizens? I hope this scam gets cleaned up as well as the electorial sytem.

Blogger The Observer December 18, 2020 9:27 AM  

My greatest personal moral struggle is on the one hand the efforts of the eugenics movement and their evil while at the same time, lots of stupid people deserving evil.
It strikes me as a little bowtie-ish trying to save the very people who would sooner vote me into a gulag.


Eugenics is perfectly doable on a civilisational scale without the woo-woo nonsense of the 20th century. Wasn't it like 50% of adult men historically never got to have children, as compared to 10% of women?

Constant downward pressure on people to make sure that undeserving people fall over the generations. Monasteries and nunneries were great places for maleficents to wind up -- abandoned kids on the doorstep? Worthless second son of an aristocrat? Off to a life serving God, you don't get to breed.

Death penalty needs to be brought back en masse, people of European descent have lost the art of a good public hanging, fun for the whole family. Culling the criminal and evil.

A way for the truly exceptional of people from the masses to be raised not to the lower ranks of the upper class, but to shoot to the top; I can't think of a European example off the top of my head but the valedictorians of the Chinese Imperial Examinations according to legend would marry the Emperor's daughters.

Christian societies can be charitably and humanely eugenic without resorting to the typical fear porn that accompanies any discussion of the subject, which basically boils down to "Nazi!"

I think that the "people in control" pushed this "every man a king and gets a girl" thing at the start of the industrial revolution because the IR needed lots and lots of bodies. Now look at the world up to its neck in deleterious retarded and unhealthy genetics. Nature never came up with results like this. Did civilization get this bad before? I don't know.

People who chop off their dicks don't breed, trigglypuffs don't breed, wine aunts don't breed, once the support system is yanked out from the mass inner-city baby mamas, they won't breed either. Hedonists don't breed, "I'm not ready to have a kid" and "look at the terrible state of the world, it would be bad to bring a child into it" people don't breed, and now that homosexuals don't need beards any more they won't breed, either. The list goes on.

Even in the mouse utopia where all resources were infinite, the mice found a way to off themselves. Nature finds a way.

Blogger NoobishTitan December 18, 2020 9:27 AM  

What does trump have to gain from pushing this?

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 18, 2020 9:28 AM  

They've got a copper jacketed lead vaccine that is 100% effective for preventing all future illness. Side effects include a momentary excruciating headache. Results may vary slightly.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 9:30 AM  

@17 Jpc:

On another note in the EU it's been revealed (accidentally)
The cost of a vaccine has a x 10 price range depending on the supplier.
1.85 euro for the Astra/Oxford not for profit and absolutely hammered by some elements in the MSM.
To 18.50 for the Modena and Pfizer offerings.
The JnJ GSK come in at the 8 euro mark.


GlaxoSmithKline's vaccine failed pretty early in the game, in the doses they chose not enough of an immune system response in the elderly, see the 4x antigen flu vaccine for them of the same protein plus adjuvants type, so they're going to have to up the dose and try again, maybe by the end of 2021.

Don't know why Janssen, a unit of Johnson and Johnson's is so high, unless you're correct about the AZ/Oxford Strong Women can't make a vaccine work except by accident clown show being not for profit. They have accepted a great deal of money from Trump's Operation Warp Speed and other government sources.

The mRNA vaccines use very different technology, you're creating a mRNA in bulk instead of a protein or a virus, so we shouldn't be surprised their new technology costs more. In their favor their theory is very good, aside from the anaplactic shock problem with Pfizer/BioNTech the theory is proving itself well in practice, and they're very simple, as I noted before, can be the most easily checked for something evil being slipped into them.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 9:34 AM  

@28 phunktor:

for decades i've been preaching that any nation doing a mass immunization of its population should make the neighbors very very nervous.

Absolutely; without a convincing reason like a novel virus pandemic, it's a clear sign they're preparing for a bioweapon attack on the rest of the world, this is an old Cold War concept. So we should be checking out the PRC vaccines very closely to see if they haven't had COVID-21 or COVID-22 antigens slipped into them, something I've been discussing with Matt Bracken on Gab.

Blogger Haus frau December 18, 2020 9:35 AM  

"You are young and healthy. People over 70 (or with heavy preconditions) could/should definitely go for the vaccine, regardless of risks."

Regardless of risks? Are you retarded? The vaccine could very easily carry greater ricks for everyone than the an active case of covid. Older, less healthy people would suffer far worse from the side egfects of this witches brew and pharma/medua all know it. They are already putting out articles telling the public not to be alarmed by the coincidental deaths of nursing home patients directly after receiving the covid vaccine

Blogger JinMichigan December 18, 2020 9:37 AM  

@22

I struggle with this question daily.

I have yet to resolve in my mind the distrust I have for BigPharma, BigGovernment and the personalities involved that I am sure are not interested in the health and safety of We the People, with President Trumps endorsement of a vaccine that I see as the actual bioweapon unleashed against the deplorables. I lay awake at night trying to see a path where President Trump is again steps ahead of the evil doers with this endorsement.

Blogger john clark December 18, 2020 9:39 AM  

You should check out the comments on Garland Thumb’s channel. Makes Platos Academy look like morons.

Blogger pyrrhus December 18, 2020 9:40 AM  

Pence took the shot? Hope it was saline solution, he needs to be healthy on Jan.6....

Blogger WT874 December 18, 2020 9:40 AM  

The most damning thing is that if the vaccine messes you up bad there is absolutely no recourse whatsoever. I am no legal expert but MSM is claiming that the companies are immune from lawsuits. So if you do get infertile, or lose control over half your face for life, or whatever else, you are just SOL, prole. No thanks.

Hey vox, I would appreciate some advice on how family members, old boomers, might be convinced to put the pause on taking it. At least until a better idea of long-term effects is known. These old boomers aren't exactly on top of things like this and you have to be pretty subtle if you intend to actually convince them. Its sorta difficult when they don't really put in the time to know things better from something other than MSM.

Blogger Prof. Spudd December 18, 2020 9:43 AM  

How do you resolve Trump's apparent going all in on the clearly evil vaxxes and your admiration of him?

If I was Trump, I would be doing it to shut up the leftards. And I'd also be presuming that those who will actually take it will be left-wing pro-vaxxers who are scared of the disease.

Blogger pyrrhus December 18, 2020 9:45 AM  

"Regardless of the risks"? You've got it backward, the vaccine will be more dangerous and less effective on the elderly because of their weaker immune systems...the ordinary flu vaccine evaluation at the CDC made that point, which was removed at the insistance of Big Pharma...

Blogger Haus frau December 18, 2020 9:47 AM  

My veterinarian wont even vaccinate my dogs when they have diarrhea or a low fever. These vaccines are known quantities, in use for decades. Now they're going to inject millions of vulnerable nursing home and medically compromised patients with a rushed experimental non-vaccine. Its outright murder.

Blogger Stilicho December 18, 2020 9:47 AM  

It is incredibly racist for any white American to be given this vaccine before every single POC in this country gets it. Then every single remainin Biden voter (if any can be found via a full signature review of every mail in ballot)

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 18, 2020 9:48 AM  

I lost someone very close to me a couple of weeks ago due to this thing. Wasn't the person I was expecting, either. It didn't help that she had significant cardiovascular issues that likely contributed to her death.

That said, I'm staying as far away from that needle as possible. I may be at risk, but I'm not suicidal.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 18, 2020 9:51 AM  

You can choose which ones to try out.

There's our resident moron. As if you can "try out" vaccines like a pair of shoes.

The vaccine is a pass-fail IQ test, just like the masks.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2020 9:53 AM  

Fix the Electorial system but still push the vaccine? What good is an electoral system if citizens are unable to vote because they are sick or dead? And these vaccines are allegedly going to be part of a world wide tracking system. Free and fair elections by people are not free in an unfair system?

Blogger braq December 18, 2020 9:54 AM  

>the manufacturer is not liable for any adverse effects.

This is true for all vaccines. Congress set up a special vaccine court in 1986 so that purveyors of these miraculous elixirs cannot be held liable for ill effects.

This evasion of responsibility has led to an explosion of long-term human experimentation on American children, as the roster of mandatory jabs has expanded from a few in the 1970's to today's 36+ prior to the age of six.

>It hasn't been comprehensively tested for efficacy, it obviously hasn't been tested for long-term health effects, it hasn't gone through the normal scientific testing routines

To a lesser extent, this is also true for most vaccines. They are developed and deployed much sooner than the decades necessary for long-term effects to emerge. Flu vaccines often aren't double-blind tested as the CDC has determined this to be "unethical":

>For example, ACIP now recommends annual influenza vaccination for all U.S. residents aged 6 months and older. These universal vaccine recommendations make it unethical to perform placebo-controlled RCTs because assigning people to a placebo group could place them at risk for serious complications from influenza. Also, observational studies often are the only option to measure vaccine effectiveness against more severe, less common influenza outcomes, such as hospitalization.

Most European countries don't even bother recommending annual flu vaccines except for seniors, yet experience similar rates of disease as the US. Flu vaccines are just another Big Pharma/CDC-promoted racket.

Blogger nbfdmd December 18, 2020 9:55 AM  

I'm still trying to decide if this whole Covid thing is really just a massive eugenics operation. We know that Bill Gates and his ilk have been talking about overpopulation for years, and have been actively working to reduce specifically sub-Saharan African population, through various means.

Now comes this virus, which (apparently) unlike influenza, is highly vulnerable to Vitamin D. As a result, black people are more likely to get sick. Of course, the media is more than happy to make blacks extra scared as well.

This results in a pincer attack: the virus itself might be killing blacks disproportionately (and who knows how many are dying in Africa), and the vaccine, which will be taken mostly by blacks, might be sterilizing.

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz December 18, 2020 9:56 AM  

As a real beard Santa, it did my heart good yesterday, when a mother of two very small children was thrilled to find out I was willing to do pictures without a mask. Maybe there's Hope yet...

Blogger Daniel December 18, 2020 9:57 AM  

China virus, China cure. Nothing like AIDS. Nothing at all.

Blogger Duh December 18, 2020 9:57 AM  

In other news: Pentagon chief halts all Biden transition meetings

"Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller ordered a Pentagon-wide halt to cooperation with the transition of President-elect Biden, shocking officials across the Defense Department"

*Grabs popcorn*

https://www.axios.com/pentagon-biden-transition-briefings-123a9658-4af1-4632-a6e6-770117784d60.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

Blogger Pencil Maestro December 18, 2020 10:01 AM  

You're assuming they can make such a virus. I think they'll do it right after they land on the Moon.

Blogger Doctor Boom December 18, 2020 10:02 AM  

David McCarthy wrote:How do you resolve Trump's apparent going all in on the clearly evil vaxxes and your admiration of him?

Can't and won't speak for VD of course, but Trump has a rather well-earned reputation of being a germaphobe (at least, he did all those years I lived in NJ while he was amassing his NYC RE empire). I think KungFlu really spooked the shit outta him, and then he got it anyway.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 18, 2020 10:07 AM  

"shocking officials across the Defense Department"
Even imaginary pearl-clutching is funny.

Blogger Cedric December 18, 2020 10:08 AM  

Oh man the shills have showed up now.

Blogger JD Curtis December 18, 2020 10:09 AM  

Pentagon wide halt to Biden transition team just ordered

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1339946748115075072

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 10:10 AM  

@33 George D.:

The fact that the injection consists of mRNA chain and the fact that we are expected to get regular shots due to "short lived in unity"

The former means they're just like all other live virus vaccines, see my @41 comment. The latter is not a "fact," it's a hypothesis totally at odds with the serological (blood) studies on people who've recovered from COVID-19 or have gotten these vaccines that indicate they get a full immune system response including the memory cells that prime the body for another attack. Of course, the latter is also a hypothesis that has to be tested in the real world, no way to know for sure as each day passes with or without lasting immunity.

Blogger Krymneth December 18, 2020 10:11 AM  

The intriguing thing is, there's no way to know what's in the plunger getting pushed on TV. The vaccine could be an instant death injection but the guy on TV getting it can be getting a saline solution, so I'm still intrigued to figure out why they're faking it so badly. I've heard the "someone's trying to promote skepticism" theory but I'm not sure that works for me... if that was the goal, there are better ways of attaining it. (An explanation of why someone is doing something must not merely provide a "fake because" for what they are doing, it must show why they consider that their best possible action.)

James G. wrote:Bigbrain tinfoil hat take: This vaccine is for the really big genocidal virus being released next year. The compliant people will be the ones left surviving (with the less able-bodied of them succumbing to eugenic culling), the non-compliant will die through the new virus, hence global slave class secured.

I can put your mind at ease for that one. That plan wouldn't work. You'd be decreasing your spread rate because the immune can't get it or spread it, so it would never get to the "targets" in the first place.

(I don't think there's anybody who could produce an injection that did something like "make them immune to the disease but leave them still spreading it as if they were sick"; the "spreading it" and "being sick" are just too intertwined with each other because the very act of burning energy "spreading it" is a great deal of what makes you sick in the first place.)

(Also, I think the evidence suggests against the idea our Satanic overlords are interested in creating fit populations culled from physical weakness.)

Blogger Franz Lyonheart December 18, 2020 10:12 AM  

During a deadly pandemic that 99% of the people that contract it survive.
Oh wait something isn't right here!


Much higher even: Above 99.5% survival rate; as high as 99.95% estimates.

Whilst the vaccine is being marketed even using their own, low, much abridged "testing" standards as being only "90% effective". So, even in their own words, it is safer to just get infected and to survive, than it is to allow them to inject the vaccine into your (or your child's) body!

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 December 18, 2020 10:13 AM  

Notice something else: despite being vaccinated, she's still wearing a mask.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 10:14 AM  

@47 The Observer:

Death penalty needs to be brought back en masse, people of European descent have lost the art of a good public hanging, fun for the whole family. Culling the criminal and evil.

England did this or exile, and starting in the 13th Century had a steadily decreasing rate of interpersonal violence until they reversed a lot of policies after WWII. But looking at them post-WWII, I'm not so sure getting rid of these genes so thoroughly is such a good idea.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 10:18 AM  

Emmanuel wrote:People over 70 (or with heavy preconditions) could/should definitely go for the vaccine, regardless of risks.
Regardless of risks? That is not well thought out.

Getting the disease and getting it over with has a known risk, which with treatment is quite low even for the high risk groups.
* Hydroxy/zinc/Z-pack is very effective, with a known, low risk.
* Ivermectin is more effective yet, again with a known, low risk.
* The various new, profitable anti-virals have some effectiveness, high cost and unknown risks, since they are new.
* These vaccines are not intended to prevent the disease, and have unknown risk.

If you are over 70 and healthy, you might have twenty reasonably healthy years left, perhaps ten or fifteen active, productive years. Why risk throwing that away to prevent a disease that isn't a big threat to anyone of any age who is in fair health?

Blogger David McCarthy December 18, 2020 10:19 AM  

"Truly I tell you, whatever you did for the least of my brothers and sisters of mine, you did to me"
Your argument is not sinful. It is wicked. And quite literally murderous. I pray that the worst people on earth do not take these vaccines. Let God sort them out. We fight the wicked in moral ways only.

Blogger The Other Donald December 18, 2020 10:20 AM  

@8 Emmanuel
I'm over 70 and healthy, and I'm not taking the vaccination.
No thank you, but no.

Blogger Daniel December 18, 2020 10:24 AM  

who the fuck would vaccinate children with 0% chance of being ill with circovid??
yet cowards idiots will do it

Blogger kurt9 December 18, 2020 10:28 AM  

The liability situation is worse than you realize. Not only are the manufacturers immune from liability, these COVID-19 vaccines are not even covered by the "vaccine court" (a notorious kangaroo court) either. Lastly you cannot sue any government agency like the FDA or the politicians for pushing it. If you take the vaccine and end up with long term autoimmune conditions, there is NO remuneration of any kind whatsoever.

No liability, no mandates.

Blogger Homesteader December 18, 2020 10:29 AM  

WouldBeTellingDecember 18, 2020 9:18 AM
@13 Homesteader: Hazeltine is insane, he claims "Any vaccine trial should include regular antigen testing every three days" Who would sign up to be stuck with a needle every three days for six months? Instead, they do the usual, how many symptomatic and serious cases of the disease in each "arm" of the trials, vaccine and placebo.

And- they are mRNA; technically, not really a vaccine at all, as there is no attemuated or killed virus therein.

So the very vaccine that gave us the name, Variolae vaccinae, smallpox of the cow AKA cowpox, a live virus along with all the other live virus vaccines developed in the last century plus, including for measles, mumps, rubella (German measles), varicella (chicken pox and shingles) and oral polio vaccines are not actually vaccines?

These mRNA vaccines are just like all others in what I'm now calling the "active" class, except they only deliver the mRNA for one protein, not all of a virus, fangs removed or reproduction gimped. The relatively few cells they hijack pump out that protein for a relatively short time before the mRNA gets recycled, bits of that protein get presented on the surface of these cells, the immune system recognizes them as alien and mounts the most complete response you'll get from a vaccine.


"Hazeltine is insane"-

Ad hominem. Read the linked article. He's not insane merely because you disagree with him over owies.


vac•cine văk-sēn′, văk′sēn″►
n. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing severe infection.
n. A preparation from the cowpox virus that protects against smallpox when administered to an individual.

I'll grant the "portion of the pathogen's structure" point.

So, given that mRNA vaccines are essentially untested technology-will YOU be getting one, WouldBeTelling?



Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 10:32 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Is Pence dumb?

More cuck than dumb, I think. He's never going to pass up a chance to be a noble loser.
Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Is he palsied now?
We can't expect to get immediate adverse reactions every time. It may be just as well. If he had been incapacitated, I believe Senator Grassley is the senate president pro tem, and would be his replacement? Not sure he's less squishy than Pence, and perhaps more likely to be a Chinese-owned traitor.
David McCarthy wrote:How do you resolve Trump's apparent going all in on the clearly evil vaxxes and your admiration of him?
Trump is president of a nation of fools, half of them below average intelligence, and most of them easily led by every pied piper who comes by. He has to do something to counter the Chinkypox hoax, and this is something.

Blogger Dole December 18, 2020 10:32 AM  

I would rather take cyanide.

At least with cyanide you know what you are dealing with.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey December 18, 2020 10:36 AM  

braq wrote:Most European countries don't even bother recommending annual flu vaccines except for seniors, yet experience similar rates of disease as the US. Flu vaccines are just another Big Pharma/CDC-promoted racket.

In the US, at least, and most likely across the West, flu deaths are *not* tallied. They are projected from a mathematical model, on the assumption that tons of flu deaths happen off the radar screen. CDC admits this straight up on their website, and you can did down through the mortality data -- only about 3k deaths per year are ever actually tallied. The rest are projected.

These numbers are also thought to be exaggerated by many, for the express purpose of motivating people to get a flu shot. The CDC and NIH people want everybody to get a flu shot. Even this year at one point Dr. Birx, I think, or Dr Fauci said at one of those daily briefings that if any good comes from all this COVID madness, it will be that more people will get their flu shots.

This is how the current ethics in CDC and NIH (and WHO, etc) work:

Vaccines are good.
Taking a vaccine is good citizenship.
Promoting vaccines is good governance.
QED - Measures to increase vaccination (by hook or crook) are good.

The hubris of the professionals never accounts for the possibility that they got the vaccines horribly wrong, or that a malignant actor has spiked or hurried the punch.

Blogger One Deplorable DT December 18, 2020 10:38 AM  

Only confirmed idiots will be getting this "vaccine".

Yep. Some here may be surprised to see me agree as I've clashed with them in the past over vaccines. I am neither pro vaccine nor anti vaccine. I believe in looking at each specific vaccine, its ingredients, how it has performed over time, and making an informed assessment of the risks and benefits. (That said, I am absolutely and firmly against vaccines forced at any level of coercion, including enrollment requirements by schools and entry requirements by private businesses.)

These covid-19 vaccines haven't even been studied for one full year. Therefore it is impossible to make an informed risk assessment. Everything else needs a minimum of five years for FDA approval and for good reason. It could be argued that even five years isn't enough for a vaccine. We can't know for sure if these vaccines confer any real or lasting immunity to covid-19, to say nothing of how ignorant we are regarding potential long term side effects.

And that's why everyone involved is covering their asses. The companies involved would not touch this without more legal protections beyond their existing legal protections. The FDA has setup a network for tracking adverse reactions unlike any before it because they know damn well there will be adverse reactions and a lot of them. Even the media is in on it and has been caught discussing whether or not to publish stories of adverse reactions as they might damage the narrative.

I haven't even touched on 'conspiracy theories' because I don't need to in order to argue against these rushed vaccines. Anyone who takes one of them is a damn fool. If you're so scared of covid that you are considering one of these vaccines then it's time to read up about Ivermectin and the EVMS MATH+ critical care protocol. And find a doctor who will use that protocol with you in the event you become seriously ill.

Anonymous Anonymous December 18, 2020 10:39 AM  

Vox, you must be ever so proud to have rated your very own dedicated Pharma shill who reliably shows up to "educate" the unwashed with his scientific sophistry.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 10:39 AM  

@56 WT874:

The most damning thing is that if the vaccine messes you up bad there is absolutely no recourse whatsoever. I am no legal expert but MSM is claiming that the companies are immune from lawsuits. So if you do get infertile, or lose control over half your face for life, or whatever else, you are just SOL, prole. No thanks.

George W. Bush and company set up a new "vaccine court," the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) as part of the 2005 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act, see this government page for Federal Register updates for COVID-19. From memory, compared to the old Reagan era one for childhood vaccines, the period to make claims is shorter, 1 vs. 2 years, the award is capped at the same $250,000, but I'm not sure if there's an extra $250,000 in case the emergency therapeutic results in death.

@58 pyrrhus:

"Regardless of the risks"? You've got it backward, the vaccine will be more dangerous and less effective on the elderly because of their weaker immune systems...the ordinary flu vaccine evaluation at the CDC made that point, which was removed at the insistance of Big Pharma...

Citation Needed for the latter, for Big Pharma's response was an I'm sure more expensive vaccine with four times the amount of antigens. My Silent Generation father's old enough to have started getting it, says he noticed a difference in the acute response after getting vaccinated by them.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 18, 2020 10:45 AM  

Can I have more of that valuable energy commodity like last year?

Blogger Duh December 18, 2020 10:45 AM  

And according to his schedule, Trump is meeting acting defense secretary Miller in the Oval Office at 330 today

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 18, 2020 10:46 AM  

People who chop off their dicks don't breed, trigglypuffs don't breed, wine aunts don't breed,

They reproduce via school indoctrination and child molestation.

Blogger Matrick December 18, 2020 10:46 AM  

I don't think it's as much of a problem for blacks in Africa, as they aren't deficient in vitamin D.

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 10:47 AM  

meh. DrWho got the vaccine wednesday morning. no problems. sore shoulder just like its supposed to be.

Risk benefit. I understand people that are around covid all the time wanting to get it. plus there is a gadgety nerdy science thing about the way the pfizer vaccine works that intrigues the very educated.

Blogger Skyler the Weird December 18, 2020 10:48 AM  

We can blame all the side effects and morbidities on Orange Man Bad.

Blogger Silly but True December 18, 2020 10:51 AM  

As a show of just how great the empathy and regard for the plight of their fellow man exists within the alt-right, we gladly step to the end of the line allowing the most needy to get the first 240 years of covid-vaccines first.

The alt-right will be making the ultimate sacrifice in the face of media-and-leftist-leading certain death in deferring vaccine. Surely all the leftists will praise us for our compassion?

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 10:54 AM  

practically every doctor at our little small town hospital has gotten it, and so have most of the nurses. so far so good. no one has had any issues with it.

Say what ya want about the vaccine... Trump did one hell of a job with the logistics of this.

Blogger Azimus December 18, 2020 10:54 AM  

Thank goodness there were so many people wearing white coats to help her!

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 10:57 AM  

"Citation Needed for the latter, for Big Pharma's response was an I'm sure more expensive vaccine with four times the amount of antigens. My Silent Generation father's old enough to have started getting it, says he noticed a difference in the acute response after getting vaccinated by them."

never... never.. let your parents get that "for seniors" flu vaccine. Unless you hate them.

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 10:59 AM  

"And it's being relentlessly pushed by a group of people who very publicly advocate lowering the global population, so it won't be even a little surprising if scientists eventually "discover" that it inhibits fertility."

Also the pfizer vaccine is completely different from the moderna vaccine and Pfizer didn't take a single dime from anyone, including bill gates and the US government.

I'm not shilling here.. I didn't get it and I'm not getting it and my kids aren't getting it. but facts are facts. the companies are different, the vaccines are different, and they shouldn't all be lumped in together.

Blogger Crew December 18, 2020 10:59 AM  

Taking the Flu vaccine raises your risk of dying from CoronaDoom!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/study-flu-vaccine-raises-risk-covid-death-correlation-confirmed-scientific-analysis/

Oh, by the way, if you are old, you can be killed by other common cold viruses as well:

Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection

Blogger The Observer December 18, 2020 11:02 AM  

They reproduce via school indoctrination and child molestation.

That assumes that political affiliation and behaviour is not affected by one's genetics. Even VD states that Gamma is primarily genetic.

Any fast-spreading (on a generational scale, anyway) disease burns itself out once it consumes all susceptible hosts, leaving the remainder of the herd immune.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 18, 2020 11:03 AM  

Oh man the shills have showed up now.

It's pretty obvious when they all have the same script. But in this case, "Why is Trump pushing this vaccine?" is a legitimate question. I don't think there's a nefarious answer. He's not perfect, and it's a generational thing.

Blogger Héctor December 18, 2020 11:10 AM  

The Observer wrote:Eugenics is perfectly doable on a civilisational scale without the woo-woo nonsense of the 20th century. Wasn't it like 50% of adult men historically never got to have children, as compared to 10% of women?

Constant downward pressure on people to make sure that undeserving people fall over the generations. Monasteries and nunneries were great places for maleficents to wind up -- abandoned kids on the doorstep? Worthless second son of an aristocrat? Off to a life serving God, you don't get to breed.


Most men did reproduce, however their bloodlines were wiped out in wars, duels, barfights, famines or plagues. That's why they don't show up in genetic analysis of lineages today and remember frequent wars all in all meant LESS MALES AROUND. It wasn't that they were rejected by picky women or were to shy or "inadequate", it was they either died in war, work accidents or their sons or grandsons died in such circumstances (most works were really dangerous back then), whereas females just got to sleep with whoever won the battles and female bloodlines died in less numbers as well. That was the "course of nature" before water sanitation and the green revolution of the 20th century.

No industrialists and social engineering required to make people breed and increase numbers once sanitation was taken care of.

The Observer wrote:Death penalty needs to be brought back en masse, people of European descent have lost the art of a good public hanging, fun for the whole family. Culling the criminal and evil.



Agree wholeheartedly and not only in Europe, add most of the world as well.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 18, 2020 11:11 AM  

Total insanity, Nate. Your weak spot is exposed. You are inexplicably naively faithful in the modern pharmacology industry.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky December 18, 2020 11:13 AM  

Yes, the plethora of drug companies making various vaccines all based on the same mRNA tech is a great comfort. Like being able to choose between Smith & Wesson, Colt, or Springfield for your game of Reverse Russian Roulette.

Will I get an immediate seizure? Bell's Palsy? Or a mystery illness 20 years down the line? Let's spin the wheel!

Blogger Elder Son December 18, 2020 11:13 AM  

Age Group: Infection Fatality Rate: Survival Rate:

0-19 0.00003% 99.997%
20-49 0.0002% 99.98%
50-69 0.005% 99.5%
70+ 0.054% 94.6%

And people are so scared of this, because of the incessant horror stories of the worst cases that are no better and no worse than the worst Flu symptoms, and the incessant YOU GOTTA GET TESTED! and OMG! I GOT/THEY GOT THE CORONA-COOTIES! they will get the first of its kind mRNA-RNA-DNA Vaccine created in less than a year.

Despite the fact that thousands of Doctors, Nurses, Virologists, Immunologists, etc. have... never mind, they are not the "experts", are just kooks, and have been censored.

But yeah, if you take the vaccine, you're an idiot.

The amount of times I and my wife have been exposed to people with confirmed 40+ cycles PCR CASES! we should have been in the ICU by now, being ventilated (to death), at the least have sniffles. Or just dropped dead in a China street.

Blogger David McCarthy December 18, 2020 11:17 AM  

I have heard Trump publicly state vaccine skepticism in the past. Once you open pandoras box there is no going back. He knows these vaccines especially are poison. For so so many reasons he knows these vaccines are evil. If you have the mind to negotiate middle east peace, and you surround yourself with people who are the best and brightest and most moral, he knows.

Blogger ChewbacaTW December 18, 2020 11:21 AM  

Dear God... I dare say there are more black pills about a crappy vaccine than there are about The GE retaining his office.

Blogger maragaretwalker December 18, 2020 11:21 AM  

I want to thank the nurse for giving us a demonstration of the effects of the vaccine. She is unfortunately, young enough to be sterilized bt some "unknown" side effect as well.

Blogger Geir Balderson December 18, 2020 11:22 AM  

Ok, let's see how Nancy Pelosi, Dr. Fauci and Chuck Schemer fare when they take this suspicious concoction of Dr. Bill Gates' machinations. Yes, how will they all do ?
I just heard on the news that Creepy Joe will take it next week. Saline anyone? Will anyone verify he is actually be taking it or is it , of course, kabuki theater?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 11:26 AM  

Nate wrote:Risk benefit. I understand people that are around covid all the time wanting to get it.
The vaccine risk is unknown, the disease risk is known to be very low. If you're around the chinkypox all the time, just get it and get it over with.
Nate wrote:... the companies are different, the vaccines are different, and they shouldn't all be lumped in together.
One thing they all have in common is no long term testing, no clue about long term effects. Another common thread is that most of them don't even claim to prevent the disease.
Might as well get the disease and get it over with, because the vaccine isn't going prevent that. It isn't going to do anything, if you're lucky.

Blogger Homesteader December 18, 2020 11:33 AM  

Of course, all of this poses larger questions.

1. Why the unprecedented lockstep media campaign?

2. Why the supression of effective COVID-19 treatments that involve older, safer drugs?

3. Why the reversal in the mask policies, after March, when it is known that masking has no effect on viral illness transmission?

4. Why the truncating of every standard testing protocol for vaccine development, for an illness that currently has a worldwide survival rate of 99.8%?

If I were a conspiracy theorist who frequented
alt-right blogs, I'd probably postulate a scenario
where the Chinese, in conjunction with their bought and paid for Democrat minions, deliberately created a doomsday media campaign using an American made virus in December 2019, with the thought of causing an economic and social crisis aimed squarely at unseating Trump, AND, perhaps, getting a little Agenda 21 and Georgia Guidestone action in too; you do have to throw your dogs the occasional bone.

(Spike proteins and Syncytin 1; will the placenta and sperm of recipients be compromised?)

After all, Rabbi Rahm enjoins us to never let a crisis go to waste, and for this sage advice, we are grateful.

But, all of that, after all, would be crazy talk.



Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 18, 2020 11:34 AM  

"Seems like most "frontline heroes" would prefer to topple all the statues of Hippocrates and change their oath to "first, do harm.""

No worries, they already don't take the Hippocratic oath, they take a malicious fake version that allows them to administer "birth control" and murder babies, among other things, because the real one doesn't.

"So the very vaccine that gave us the name... ...are not vaccines?"

So the self posed vaccine expert, you, can't read plain English? Go away, shill.

"These mRNA vaccines are just like all others in what I'm now calling the "active" class"

All others = 0. Go away, shill.

As others have pointed out, you first, but I'll add "me never".

Blogger George D. December 18, 2020 11:36 AM  

Umm... The blog post now shows the video of journalists being surprised at Biden's lead in Michigan, and not the nurse fainting. Is it just me, did Vox change it, or foul play?

Blogger RJ December 18, 2020 11:41 AM  

"How do you resolve Trump's apparent going all in on the clearly evil vaxxes and your admiration of him?"

Because the "experts" told him that millions of Americans would die if they didn't get vaccinated.

One thing you need to realize about Trump is that he isn't this authoritarian that the MSM has made him out to be. Trump is a CEO who relies on the experts to provide him with information, and to get the job done. It's his biggest weakness as President.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2020 11:45 AM  

The death shot.

Blogger kurt9 December 18, 2020 11:49 AM  

Nate wrote:practically every doctor at our little small town hospital has gotten it, and so have most of the nurses. so far so good. no one has had any issues with it.

Say what ya want about the vaccine... Trump did one hell of a job with the logistics of this.


This is fine on the surface. But the real issue with vaccines for most people is long term are autoimmunity conditions. Until now, I thought these were due to the Thimerosal used as preservative as well as some of the adjuvants used in conventional vaccines. What initially excited me about this new mRNA technology is that it does away with both Thimerosal as well as other metal containing adjuvants. I honestly thought this might be the first truly safe vaccine.

Now I'm reading reports about people showing initial autoimmune reactions from this vaccine. That tells me that there is something about vaccination itself that causes autoimmunity, and that its not all due to Thimerosal or adjuvants.

The problem with all of this is that autoimmunity problems build up over time and usually do not become quite apparent until about 5-6 years later. If 100 million people get this vaccine, we could have a good 20-30 million of them having serious autoimmune problems around '25 or '26. I have no intention of being one of these statistics. Autoimmune conditions are quite nasty and most of them are currently incurable. Note all of the drug ads on television. Most of these are for autoimmune conditions. These drugs used to treat these conditions are effectively chemotherapy drugs. They are intended to weaken the immune system (the last thing you want to do in any circumstance) and have a whole host of side effects of their own.

I believe the massive increase in autoimmune conditions in Americans over the past 30 years is iatrogenic, and is due to the massive increase in vaccinations in the U.S.


Blogger Cinco December 18, 2020 11:49 AM  

Or I can just take my chance with the 0.001515% fatality rate...

Blogger Cedric December 18, 2020 11:53 AM  

It's pretty obvious when they all have the same script. But in this case, "Why is Trump pushing this vaccine?" is a legitimate question. I don't think there's a nefarious answer. He's not perfect, and it's a generational thing.

They argue about the specifics and how awesome the mechanism works, while ignoring in entirety the main criticisms that don't even discuss its implementation. Also, the main resident shill only shows up on these posts, no commenting on others that I have seen.

As to why Trump is pushing the vaccine, that is a fine question. I don't know the answer to it. In his past, he's been fairly critical of vaccines, so I can only think there's a specific goal he's attempting to achieve with it.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 18, 2020 11:59 AM  

3. Why the reversal in the mask policies, after March, when it is known that masking has no effect on viral illness transmission?

I think the reversal on masks was to spread the virus faster.

Remember that they originally said that the virus couldn't be stopped from spreading--at least not without a total quarantine for weeks that's impossible today--because of the long incubation period. So the goal was to "flatten the curve" enough to let the hospitals keep up while the virus spread until we reached herd immunity. That was the plan.

But then with the lockdowns and closed schools and social distancing, we flattened the curve down to nearly zero in most places. I was joking in late April that babies were being born faster than new Covid cases in my county, so we were moving *away* from herd immunity. And that's when they suddenly did an about-face on masks.

We know that masks don't stop the transmission of virus. So what do masks actually do? Well, they give people a false sense of security, so they don't feel that they have to stand back 6 feet in the checkout aisle anymore, or wash their hands well and sanitize surfaces regularly. They don't need to stay home when they feel cold symptoms coming on, because the magic face diaper will catch anything. So they're no longer doing the other things that would actually protect them and others.

A mask also catches droplets, so when you touch your face (studies show we touch our face 23 times/hour, and futzing with a mask has to raise that number), you can transfer the virus caught in your mask to your hands and then to surfaces others will touch, which is how viruses are actually spread most of the time.

So I think they realized that we'd flattened the curve too well, and if we were ever going to get to call this thing over, they had to get people to spread it faster. Masks were a good way to prompt that. The psyop nature of it and the class warfare with the Karens is a bonus.

Blogger kurt9 December 18, 2020 11:59 AM  

The fundamental problem with vaccines is that the underlying molecular biology of how they work, and how adjuvants work in particular, has NEVER been properly researched. They literally DO NOT KNOW how adjuvants work. So when you get a vaccine, you are receiving a compound that they actually do not understand on the molecular level how it works.

Going for such a treatment is fine if you have an actual problem and you have no other recourse for dealing with it. But if you are healthy and full of energy and vitality, you should NEVER go for any medical treatment unless you have a problem that actually interferes with your quality of life and well-being. The risk-benefit trade off is simply not worth it.

Blogger Canada78Bear December 18, 2020 12:00 PM  

The first line workers being 'encouraged' is disgusting.

But if Biden supporters want the shot I'd donate to give them Starbucks gift cards for taking it...

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 12:02 PM  

"The vaccine risk is unknown, the disease risk is known to be very low. If you're around the chinkypox all the time, just get it and get it over with."

its not very low if you're the only anesthesiologist employed by the hospital and if you miss two weeks of work the hospital loses 2 weeks of OR cases, probably has surgeons go elsewhere... losing that business permanently.. not to mention you're now having lesser skilled people tubing your covid patients... which is a nightmare.

They aren't weighing the risk of being harmed by the disease. They can't afford to miss work... and the country can't afford for them to miss work.

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 12:04 PM  

"Another common thread is that most of them don't even claim to prevent the disease."

The pfizer vaccine absolutely does claim to prevent the disease. 95% effective in adults. in human tests of 40k volunteers.

Blogger Piqua Bear December 18, 2020 12:05 PM  

It's okay if old people die from vaccines but not okay if they die from covid. Got it.

Blogger Unknown December 18, 2020 12:09 PM  

Ny local Catholic newspaper today featured an article about why taking the vaccine is an "act of charity." Whatever spin required, it seems, will suffice

Blogger Nate December 18, 2020 12:10 PM  

"Total insanity, Nate. Your weak spot is exposed. You are inexplicably naively faithful in the modern pharmacology industry."

***chuckle*** You dumbass... I was an anti-vaxxer before they had a name for anti-vaxxers.

I won't be getting the vaccine and none of my kids will. I'm just reporting actual boots on the ground facts. as of this morning I know about 20 people have gotten the vaccine. none of them are having any problems.

Blogger Matrick December 18, 2020 12:11 PM  

I hear it said that being vaccinated protects those who cannot be vaccinated, but I've never seen any figures on what proportion of people that is.
To me, the idea of risking the health and fertility of the strong to protect the weak is quite obviously dysgenic.

Blogger Homesteader December 18, 2020 12:19 PM  

Patience.

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 12:25 PM  

@20 "Makes me wonder why the GE is pushing the vaccine so much."

He's working to turn the stampede...

See my comment here:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/forensics-report-antrim-county-mi.html#c376217000386226442

and the vote of agreement -- thank you very much, very gratified! Stg58/Animal Mother -- here:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/forensics-report-antrim-county-mi.html#c1683561777187915565 on turning the stampede.

Blogger David McCarthy December 18, 2020 12:27 PM  

Trump chose his advisers. One way or the other a leader has to be fully accountable for his decisions. Nearly every person in this community with a high IQ knows this one is a no brainer. The result of these vaccines is going to be horrific on the American people, possibly as much as anything the left has ever pushed. Ask yourself - How much do you value the permanent end of a man's bloodline?

I value words. Read Donald Trump's words in regards to these vaccines. As of today he is all in.

Something has to give. There might be a reasonable explanation that I don't know about. I'm all ears.

Blogger Arthur Isaac December 18, 2020 12:38 PM  

If a vaccine gets people moving and the economy going again it's still the lesser of the evils.

I'm not taking it though.

Blogger CharityBear December 18, 2020 12:39 PM  

Disagree regarding the eugenics claim. Mostly midwits will be taking it. There is a truth to the < 100 iq not trusting 'science' and having similar opinions in the grand scheme of things as those > 130 iq.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 18, 2020 12:42 PM  

Trump was mocked for his vaccine skepticism by none other than Bill Gates in a speech he gave where he accurately quoted TGE raising concerns that RFK Jr makes all the time. At the same time Trump knows MPAI and act like lemmings.

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 12:42 PM  

@35 "a big advantage of mRNA vaccines is that they're so simple they can be easily tested to make sure they've got only what they claim to have,"

Yeah and thalidomide had in it "only what they claimed it to have." If you can test arsenic 'to make sure IT only has in it what they claim is in it,' you gonna down a swig?

Do you really trust the CDC? Masks, no masks, masks, no mask, mask in group, masks when you're home alone?! THAT CDC? Supporting the hiding, outlawing, and finally flat-out lying about hydroxychloroquine and now ivermectin? They are KILLING PEOPLE by lying. Why do you think they're tell the truth here, this one time?!

Blogger Prof. Spudd December 18, 2020 12:44 PM  

"Truly I tell you, whatever you did for the least of my brothers and sisters of mine, you did to me"
Your argument is not sinful. It is wicked. And quite literally murderous. I pray that the worst people on earth do not take these vaccines. Let God sort them out. We fight the wicked in moral ways only.


Oh, spare me the cucking.

You may not recall but back in March and April the Democrats, and even many Republicans, were declaring that we'd have to be in lockdown until we have a vaccine.

If Democrats and NPCs want to get a vaccine if it means that the rest of us are able to live, let them. I don't see how it's "wicked".

Blogger stevo December 18, 2020 12:50 PM  

The secret of Covid is it only kills the dying.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 18, 2020 12:52 PM  

If fertility is the only problem with the vaccine then only geezers should get it.
And gammas.
Omegas don't need it because they already live in quarantine anyway.

Blogger Cabraxas December 18, 2020 12:56 PM  

Video of a nurse collapsing to the floor after receiving the vaccine.

https://twitter.com/SomeoneAskTheQ/status/1339701597862027268

Note: CHI Memorial Hospital is a not-for-profit, faith-based hospital located in Chattanooga, Tennessee. In other words, white rural Christians are being selected as the first victims of this vaccine. I don't call that a coincidence.

Blogger Pedro the Cat December 18, 2020 12:58 PM  

I look at the coof vaccine brouhaha in this way:

When confronted by the news that he had lost the election by people who routinely lie, cheat, and steal as well as use the courts as a protector and not for justice, Trump chose to not believe them and fight it. They also have the MSM to push and shill for them. He had better info.

I am being confronted by people and companies that routinely lie, cheat and steal as well as use the courts as a protector and not for justice. The vaccine promoters and companies ALSO have the MSM push and shill for them.

I reserve the right to make my own decision based on the prior behavior of others which is a a better bet. I also believe I have enough info to refuse the "vaxx" just as President Trump does to fight the election "result".

Blogger Rory December 18, 2020 12:58 PM  

#114 Homesteader....

to add some questions - if you had the 'rona - and you have antibodies (now supposedly 'good' past 8 months!) *WHY* oh *WHY* must the mask be required? a one size fits all deal?

Others can speak better to this than I - yet in a military conquest there are various forces used, ground, air, underwater, etc to defeat the enemy.

*WHY* is the ONLY discussed route to defeat covid the supposed vaccine? why not a multi-pronged approach of Hydroxy, and/or Ivermectin, vaccine, etc? If this is supposed to be SOOOO BAAAAAD - don't we really wish to conquer it once and for all?

I think I just answered my own question....
oy...

Blogger Elder Son December 18, 2020 12:59 PM  

"none of them are having any problems."

Yet. Except for a few. Elsewhere.

Anyhow, just in time for when Trump is booted from office:

The American Medical (Malpractice) Association: Trump is soon to be gone! A miracle has happened! We have suddenly found that hydroxychloroquine works!

And:

US GOVERNMENT ISSUES ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT REPORT ON TAKING VITAMINS C, D, AND ZINC: Today the US National Library of Medicine and National Institutes of Health published another major report spelling out the preventative healthcare, or prophylaxis, of Vitamins C, D, and zinc to prevent Covid-19.

And:

US “Authorities” Quarantine Their Own Pfizer Vaccine - they quarantined several thousand doses of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine in California and Alabama this week after an “anomaly” in the transportation process caused the storage temperature to get too cold. Colder than minus 70 degrees Celsius.

And so much virtue:

Pfizer’s CEO hasn’t gotten his Covid vaccine yet: Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla hasn’t received his company’s Covid-19 vaccine shot yet, saying Monday he and other executives will not “cut the line” as U.S. officials kick off a massive effort to distribute the vaccine across the country.

And:

Has anyone seen the FDA's Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines working list of possible adverse event outcomes, but "subject to change"?

And:

The PCR test IS the pandemic. “Anyone can test positive for practically anything with a PCR test, if you run it long enough.” ~ Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD (Nobel Prize Winner for inventing the PCR test).

And:

How Changing the Definition of Pandemic Altered Our World: Now, nine months into the pandemic, mortality statistics clearly show the truth: The COVID-19 pandemic is a pandemic in name only. In reality, there’s no excess mortality,6,7,8 and had it not been for the World Health Organization changing the definition of “pandemic,” COVID-19 would no longer be an issue.

I have thousands of these on my blog going all the way back to February 2020. These are just a small recent grab example. And after all these months of reading and posting, one has to wonder, what is the real reason why they are desperate to vaccinate you with a mRNA-RNA-DNA vaccine?

Does anyone wake up in the morning and say to themselves, "What a massive gaslight psyop!"

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 1:01 PM  

@59 "Now they're going to inject millions of vulnerable nursing home and medically compromised patients with a rushed experimental non-vaccine. Its outright murder. "

Several of y'all are missing the point, I believe. YES of COURSE it's outright murder -- have you missed ol' Dollar-Bill Gates saying he WANTS to kill off the majority of the population? Where do you think Cuomo and the other three governor-murderers got the idea to 'innoculate' nursing homes with a virus specially made to kill off old folks?!

My own personal viciousness wants us to offer it freely and FIRST to the imvader groups in the U.S. Including the 'reparations for slavery' group. I'd rather THEY be the animal-test trials for the vaccine. And if it works okay, and "only" damages their fertility too, well I'm all for that too! OUR nation will know to avoid it.

But no one is suggesting giving it to old folks for THEIR health! You're missing the barb!

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 1:04 PM  

@64 "ACIP now recommends annual influenza vaccination for all U.S. residents"

Then add in that the flu vaccine, in a Pentagon study, SEEMED to cause vaccine receivers to get COVID more easily than the non-vaccinated. Of course, the military requires all active duty folks to get the flu vax every year anyway...

Blogger Newscaper312 December 18, 2020 1:06 PM  

I am not anti-vaxx as such but def a wait and see on this one. Mid 50s with a sort of semi-asthma (asthma like response once get a lung infection, not otherwise) so in the non-trivial risk group.
Talking to my older sister, 62, about it. She was a social worker with FL Public Health around 9-11, and took Smallpox and Anthrax vaccines offered at that time. Of course the minorities all blew it off.
She dies think in hindsight that some of her allergic sensitivities and other mild auto-immune issues started as a result of that, looking at the timing.

Blogger Jack Amok December 18, 2020 1:08 PM  

As to why Trump is pushing the vaccine, that is a fine question.

Because for everything else that he is or isn't, he's still a Boomer.

Blogger Noah B. December 18, 2020 1:09 PM  

"One way or the other a leader has to be fully accountable for his decisions."

The person deciding whether or not to be vaccinated is the ultimate authority on this matter, not Trump. In this capacity he's just an adviser to each citizen. Much to his credit he has fully supported the individual right to choose whether or not to receive vaccination.

Based on what we know it looks absolutely insane to vaccinate children and young adults with this. There's no practically no benefit for them while the risk remains unquantified.

Blogger Owen Martin December 18, 2020 1:11 PM  

The goal is to reduce the population. Leaving the smart ones to survive means lower birth rates.

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 1:15 PM  

@65 'the virus itself might be killing blacks disproportionately (and who knows how many are dying in Africa),"

There is a surprisingly LOWER incidence of COVID in Africa. The guess, before they quit talking about it at all, was because hydroxychloroquine is available over the counter there -- and massively cheap -- and is used by pretty much everyone to stave off malaria. Shhhh, mentioning hydroxy will get you banned by the socials...

Next up for shunning? Ivermectin. Get it while you can! Works extremely well pre-exposure, post-exposure, and in mild, moderate, and severe (hospitalized) active infections -- and oddly enough: in what they call 'long-haulers': the folks suffering damage AFTER having had COVID! If your doc will write you a scrip and you fill it now, you can have it on hand, at need. Promise your doc you'll only take it if he says 'go.'

You can point out that the pharmacies have been having a massive run for many months on hydroxy -- BY DOCTORS!! They write scrips for themselves and their families... so they HAVE it, before the local pols outlawed it!

This half-hour video is important:
https://marketsanity.com/chris-martenson-best-covid-treatment-to-date-by-far/
"Peak Prosperity: Best Covid Treatment To Date By Far!"


Also maybe go read here: About "legally" forcing vaccinations ... what we-all don't know, going back to 2003 and the threat of a smallpox attack... Any y'all know about this?! (Wanna bet MORE states have now given themselves this sharp sword? "As of August 1, 2011, forty states have passed various forms of MSEHPA legislation.")

Peter Sandman's guest book, where I posted/quoted these:
"http://www.psandman.com/gst2003.htm#avalanche"
Smallpox vaccination: Can we trust the government?

Blogger Joerg F. December 18, 2020 1:17 PM  

"My greatest personal moral struggle is on the one hand the efforts of the eugenics movement and their evil while at the same time, lots of stupid people deserving evil. "

What does that even mean? Since most here are Christians, it should be clear that God wants everyone to come to repentance. Without eternity, this world full of blood, gore and injustice wouldn't make sense one bit, and suicide would be preferable.

And all those around here who denigrate "losers" wouldn't want to live their lives either! Would you want to have an IQ around 90? No. Being ugly? No. A hunched back? No. Mental illness? And so on.

Women aren't these great, spiritual beings with clear insight into a man's quality. Having a women doesn't mean anything. My father's a creep, a hunchback, small-weinered narcissist who is mentally ill and calls himself a "solipsist". Needless to say, I inherited his lousy genetics.

Roosh with his thousand women is a good example that our origins are a slap in the face, a result of the fall (imagine having such a father!). Andy Nowicki wrote about this as well in his "Confessions".

Re. "The Observer": well, who had those untermenschen you write about? Right, women who reproduced. With men. Also, "nature finds a way" is hardly a Christian way to look at it. Again, without eternity, suicide would be the rational choice.

This is the dilemma of the modern atheists: they affirm life, even though without God, they have to affirm a meat grinder, as "inmendham" (YouTube) called it; or alternatively, unintelligent design.

Regarding men who reproduced or not: who cares? Aquinas was a genius, but very fat and a social autist, he never talked to women again after he chased a whore out at age 18 his brothers forced on him. The three thinkers Vox Day likes the best are Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius and Aquinas.

Even a 200 IQ guy like Langan did not breed. He himself wrote (it's on knowledgebase.ctmu.net):

'[...] Right. As far as Germany is concerned, everyone is forever knocking the
so-called “nazi stud farms” of the 1930’s and 40’s. But before one can
even dream of doing this in any meaningful way, one must consider the
alternatives available in the present reproductively degenerate
environment … and we’re not just talking about genocidally replacing
indigenous Europeans with maladaptive foreigners. (As I say, the situation
here is nearly as bad. As one of the premier bouncers in New York, if not
the best-known of all, I was nothing if not accessible to women. That I
didn’t get any reproductive play on Eastern LI, where rich and pampered
women abound, and that I simultaneously watched these decadent party girls
having out-of-wedlock children by a succession of dunces, creeps, and
minority players, is really quite informative when you come right down to
it.) Truly, the Caucasian genome is in freefall.'

Certainly, I wouldn't have chosen my lousy loser existence which cannot be improved, because you cannot "improve" on crappy genetics. Even German Christian physician Karl Weissbrodt was in favor of eugenics.

Remove eternity, and suicide would be the rational choice. Re. Christ, one can only say that He did not claim that marriage is sin, like the gnostics did, but that's about it. It is a purely personal choice. And as Nowicki noted, who has two children himself: even if whites bred more, immigration would still be a problem that we would have to tackle.

Maybe I should look for software that is able to deliver the raw blog post of Vox Day only, because these comments often just plain suck.

Blogger Warunicorn December 18, 2020 1:19 PM  

Matrick wrote:I hear it said that being vaccinated protects those who cannot be vaccinated, but I've never seen any figures on what proportion of people that is.

To me, the idea of risking the health and fertility of the strong to protect the weak is quite obviously dysgenic.


And noticing this makes you a global pariah, because, "Why do want to kill grandma, you leper!"

Mass psychosis has gripped the easily-led and manipulated.

Blogger Johnny December 18, 2020 1:25 PM  

My take on Trump is that he doesn't know much about covid-19, nor the vaccine, and that what he says is just playing to the public, followed if popular appeal supports.

Being a high risk old guy, I will take the shot, but not right away and maybe never. Depends. Otherwise I like the situation we are in. All the chicken-littles are going to be forced to think about it. Do I risk the disease or do I risk the shot? Once they start thinking, their ideas about policy will become more flexible.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 1:27 PM  

@77 swiftfoxmark2

Notice something else: despite being vaccinated, she's still wearing a mask.

Vaccines invoke an adaptive immune system response, which takes a week or more to develop; in the meantime, your innate immune system does its best to keep you alive.

@79 and @113 Ominous Cowherd

* These vaccines are not intended to prevent the disease, and have unknown risk.

Nope, read the Phase III protocols for both, Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna. They're intended to provide sterilizing!!! immunity, an unartful word of art used by vaccine people for, if it works for you, we will never, ever be able to get a culture of live viruses from you.

@84 Homesteader:

Nope, Hazeltine is stark raving mad to think you can recruit multiple representative populations of 15-60,000 people who will agree to get stuck every three days for two years, much more than an "owies" if on the finger, and they'd have to go all over your body for veins if they need that quality of blood.

So, given that mRNA vaccines are essentially untested technology-will YOU be getting one, WouldBeTelling?

I expect I'm going to be infinitely more likely to take one of these vaccines than you be to sign up for such a trial. And note the weasel word "essentially" because they are indeed tested, and being tested more, Phase IV "post-marketing" now. We can discuss if they're not tested enough, by normal standards of course not, but that's always an issue with a new drug or vaccine, 2, 6, 12, 24 months, eventually you have to try them out on general populations.

However I'm in the very lowest priority group, retired but under 65, so I have no choice but to watch this drama play out until it's possible to get one.

@88 One Deplorable DT

These covid-19 vaccines haven't even been studied for one full year. Therefore it is impossible to make an informed risk assessment. Everything else needs a minimum of five years for FDA approval and for good reason.

Citation Needed. Because while I haven't tried hard yet, I've never heard that drug and vaccine Phase I-III trials take five years, and this could be confirmed with some quality time spent on ClinicalTrials.gov.

The problem with your requirement for a sufficiently informed risk assessment is that we're already conducting an experiment on a vast scale, hundreds of millions of people getting the wild type virus in an uncontrolled fashion, to the extent something that looks like it's an accidentally released true mad scientist gain of function experiment is "wild." We know morbidity from COVID-19 exists, can be very bad, can be widespread, so it's an issue of balancing two risks.

From a societal or humanity surviving point of view, perhaps you'd want a spread of people taking various vaccines, and a cohort only getting natural immunity from the wild type virus. If the PRC continues to pump out pathogens as they've done for centuries, we might just need to make such hard choices.

@107 Jab Burrwalky:

Yes, the plethora of drug companies making various vaccines all based on the same mRNA tech is a great comfort.

I generally define "plethora" as more than 2 or 3, depending on how different the third's is, it's not very far along anyway. Lots more viral vector vaccine candidates, and a couple Western protein ones, although Sanofi/GSK didn't get their initial dosing for the elderly right, so they're now way behind, maybe by the end of 2021.

Will I get an immediate seizure? Bell's Palsy? Or a mystery illness 20 years down the line? Let's spin the wheel!

You're also spinning the wheel on what happens if you get the wild type virus, there is no "no risk" option.

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 1:28 PM  

@76 "Whilst the vaccine is being marketed even using their own, low, much abridged "testing" standards as being only "90% effective". So, even in their own words, it is safer to just get infected and to survive, than it is to allow them to inject the vaccine into your (or your child's) body!"

We aren't hearing much about the requirement to keep the @#$%^&* stuff at NEGATIVE 100-degree F! And even then, it only lasts ~10 days. There is no hospital, clinic, drugstore or supermarket that has the ability to keep ANYthing at -100 degrees! Apparently Big Pharma/Pfizer and the military have some version of transport 'suitcases' that can manage to way-past-ice-cold temps -- UNTIL opened...

Add in each case apparently holds .. I heard either 5,000 or 50,000? doses? So how are they planning to gather up that many people to be shot all at once, within ten day, less travel time from the plant. And then HOW do you get them back in 21 days for the second shot.

You younglings may not remember the dispensing of the polio vaccine on sugar cubes and/or by shots; where entire schools and workplaces were lined up for a couple hours and vaccinated en masse. I chose the sugar cube. But, that was room temp; no need for super-cold.

Nah, *I* can't help but think this whole vaccine thing is crap to distract the stampeding cattle until the Rubicon is crossed and the traitors are arrested and jailed. The military spreading out across the country "with vaccines" may just be a way of getting more troops pre-placed.

Blogger Elder Son December 18, 2020 1:30 PM  

Pentagon: Troops Won’t Be Required to Take Coronavirus Vaccine: Members of the military won't be required to take a coronavirus vaccine when it comes available through a new trial plan the Pentagon announced Wednesday, but that could change if the Food and Drug Administration moves beyond the emergency approval that currently allows for the initial distribution of the vaccine.

"Voluntary for everyone," Army Lt. Gen. Ronald Place, chief of the Defense Health Agency, told reporters at a press conference at the Pentagon. "No ifs, ands or buts about it. Voluntary for everyone."

But:

The Pentagon plans to publicize at least five senior leaders' receiving a dose, including acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller "to message the safety and efficacy" of it, Hoffman said, "and encourage all eligible personnel to take the vaccine."

The swoon factor:

The move follows similar commitments from former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, along with several governors and public officials.

Trust us.

Anyhow, all this info is at your fingertips. After turning off the Boobus Narrative Tube, and reading months of articles from the "experts" on the Corona-Cooties he said/she said - yes/no/maybe - flip/flop, and the "not expert kooks according the experts", I have come to the conclusion that all of this is nothing more than Operant Conditioning by the "experts". https://infogalactic.com/info/Operant_conditioning

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 1:30 PM  

@114 Homesteader

4. Why the truncating of every standard testing protocol for vaccine development

Because that's not true? Only two shortcuts have been taken for these two mRNA vaccines: animal testing was started at the same time as Phase I human testing, a risk for the humans which paid off fantastically, and obviously only 2 months of safety data for an FDA Emergency Use Authorization(EUA), not licensure for general populations. The biggest truncation? Researchers not having to pause their work until they get their next grant.

(Spike proteins and Syncytin 1; will the placenta and sperm of recipients be compromised?)

If this is an issue, it's also one for getting infected by the wild type virus. In which case we'll have to have words with the CCP.

@119 kurt9

Now I'm reading reports about people showing initial autoimmune reactions from this vaccine.

I really want citation or pointer on this, because I haven't heard it at all (anaphylactic shock is very obviously not an autoimmune reaction).

These drugs used to treat these conditions are effectively chemotherapy drugs.

As someone who's Silent Generation father has one, not as the first line, those are steroids, which have their own nasty complications. You go for the chemothearpy drugs, real ones not "effectively" in his case, if/when steroids stop working. And that's also not good at all.

@123 kurt9:

The fundamental problem with vaccines is that the underlying molecular biology of how they work, and how adjuvants work in particular, has NEVER been properly researched.

Possibly true for adjuvants, definitely not true for vaccines in general.

They literally DO NOT KNOW how adjuvants work. So when you get a vaccine, you are receiving a compound that they actually do not understand on the molecular level how it works.

So avoid the ones with adjuvants, which I've gotten the strong impression are needed for making protein only vaccines work, like Novavax's for COVID-19 (but they've not even started their US Phase III trial, just a half sized one in the UK). And be very, very careful with wounds, lockjaw is an ugly way to die.

@125 Nate

"The vaccine risk is unknown, the disease risk is known to be very low. If you're around the chinkypox all the time, just get it and get it over with."

its not very low if you're the only anesthesiologist employed by the hospital and if you miss two weeks of work the hospital loses 2 weeks of OR cases, probably has surgeons go elsewhere... losing that business permanently.. not to mention you're now having lesser skilled people tubing your covid patients... which is a nightmare.

They aren't weighing the risk of being harmed by the disease. They can't afford to miss work... and the country can't afford for them to miss work.


This is very true in my local area, and was a big issue before our hospitalized cases dropped by 1/5 in the last week, we'd exceeded our capacity for 150 miles in all directions. Locally, it was never the number of raw beds, but tens of people not being able to work because of COVID-19.

Blogger Kevin Smith December 18, 2020 1:51 PM  

@13 "converged google shot back a page of "debunked" results. (Infertility could not possibly be determined in less than a year.)

Along those lines-we need an InfoGalactic search engine."


Absolutely. I now consider Google results as 'latest propaganda'. Although their very reliable if one is idly looking up celebrity trivia.

@1 Yes.

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 1:52 PM  

@125 "They aren't weighing the risk of being harmed by the disease. They can't afford to miss work... and the country can't afford for them to miss work."

OR they can use ivermectin (or hydroxy and zinc) as a *proven* prophylactic and treatment and NOT get sick or get well fast!

What's your 'hospital with one anesthesiologist' going to do if the UNTESTED vaccine makes him permanently unable to work?! If you're going to roll the dice -- at LEAST roll them with PROVEN EFFECTIVE prophylactics and treatments, which exist and have YEARS of safe use behind them!

It's NOT 'vaccine or nothing.' It's: WHY are they hiding, disparaging, lying about and actually outlawing EFFECTIVE AND SAFE treatments that already exist?!? And why don't you know about this?

You've let them lock you into a binary choice when it's SO.NOT.THE.CASE.!!! They're MURDERING people in order to keep the populace stampeding in the direction they want!

Blogger Ingemar December 18, 2020 1:54 PM  

They'll invent a new cause of death to divert blame from the Coofid jab:

Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (SADS)

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 1:59 PM  

@126 "The pfizer vaccine absolutely does claim to prevent the disease. 95% effective in adults. in human tests of 40k volunteers."

Aw, come on Nat, do you have your whole retirement portfolio tied up with this?

The human tests are done in CAREFULLY chosen groups of folks who must be allowed by ethical trial boards: so, young-ish, healthy, no autoimmune conditions, no general genetic or epigenetic issues, and so on. People who have bad reactions are often taken OUT of the test cohort and don't finish the whole test period.

That also means no old geezers with heart or lung conditions or uncontrolled diabetes or any of a variety of 'folks we can't test this on' diseases and syndromes -- even though they FULLY intend to use it on those folks when it's approved.

You wisely don't trust the govt, but somehow you DO trust, if not all of Big Pharma, then your fav one actor of that group?

Blogger OneWingedShark December 18, 2020 2:04 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:My greatest personal moral struggle is on the one hand the efforts of the eugenics movement and their evil while at the same time, lots of stupid people deserving evil.
It strikes me as a little bowtie-ish trying to save the very people who would sooner vote me into a gulag.

The solution is simple: Do Justly, pursue Righteousness.
The greatest exemplar of this solution is none other than Jesus, who came and died for those who put Him to death, turning The Greatest Injustice in History into the purchasing of Righteousness and Mercy for many.

Unknown wrote:Makes me wonder why the GE is pushing the vaccine so much.David McCarthy wrote:How do you resolve Trump's apparent going all in on the clearly evil vaxxes and your admiration of him?
Quite simple: My Trust and Hope are not in Trump, for he is irrelevant — my savior is Jesus the Risen, Conqueror of Death.

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Even Trump has his limits of persuasion.
Either that or being a Boomer has cursed him with believing in vaccines.

His actions indicate that like many Boomers he believes "stocks [F500/NASDAQ/etc] = economy", which is a troubling proposition when you consider something like the Fortune 500 autoselects for the most pricy stocks, thereby destroying insight into the state of the real economy.

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:Notice something else: despite being vaccinated, she's still wearing a mask.
A sign of submission.
Tennessee had it right:
Article I, Section 2.
That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 2:06 PM  

@129 " as of this morning I know about 20 people have gotten the vaccine. none of them are having any problems."

When? One, two weeks ago? Three at the outside? How LONG do you think it takes for a vaccine never before tried in humans -- and on this case NOT tried in animals -- and for a VERY short time -- to cause actual real problems?

Analogy? "I nailed together a bridge across the 40' deep chasm that has to be crossed over every day. I tested it by walking over it a few times, and it seems solid. Now I'll start letting everyone and everything cross the bridge; it didn't fail when I went over it a few times, so why will if fail when a herd of COWS walks over it!"

If you're an anti-vaxxer, and I'm getting VERY close to being one myself, howinthehell can you think THIS rushed, not-well-tested drug-thing can POSSIBLY be safe to give to millions of folks?! Or are you also onboard -- as I am -- with the world needing a MASSIVE culling; and here's a way to do it?

Blogger kurt9 December 18, 2020 2:08 PM  

So avoid the ones with adjuvants, which I've gotten the strong impression are needed for making protein only vaccines work, like Novavax's for COVID-19 (but they've not even started their US Phase III trial, just a half sized one in the UK). And be very, very careful with wounds, lockjaw is an ugly way to die.

I do plan to get another tetanus shot if I can get one that is tetanus only. The problem is that most tetanus vaccines are combined with something else (I can't remember off the top of my head) and that combination vaccine has problems. The other issue is if you go in for the tetanus shot, they often try to browbeat you into getting the flu shot, which I will not get under any circumstances whatsoever.

BTW, the molecular biology of adjuvants has not been worked out, at all. Vaccine researchers are actually quite open about this fact when asked about. One researcher has been quoted called adjuvants the "dark underbelly" of vaccine science because it is not understood.

There are reports on the internet of autoimmune reactions to the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.

Blogger Homesteader December 18, 2020 2:22 PM  

@ telling-

Cut the Smart Boy crap.

Per the rules of the blog-

Did you actually read the Hazeltine article, or not? If so- what are your specific refutations, aside from "nope, he's insane?"

And- when the COVID 19 vaccine is made available to you- will you consent to receiving it, or not?

Yes, or No?

Blogger David McCarthy December 18, 2020 2:24 PM  

Projection. You are cucking for Trump.

"My neighbor's an idiot. I sold him some chlorine for his well but really it was cyanide. So technically I didnt poison his well. Anyway his whole family is dead. I am the good guy in this story in case it isn't obvious"
-VFM #7634

Blogger Avalanche December 18, 2020 2:37 PM  

@155 "You're also spinning the wheel on what happens if you get the wild type virus, there is no "no risk" option."

Wrong. Just flat-out wrong.

You're so focused on vaccinevaccinevaccine, you've ignored entirely SEVERAL effective and very effective treatments and prophylactics.

You've removed off your 'spinning wheel' EVERY option except vaccine or death. And even taken off the "~99.5% who get COVID DO NOT DIE" option! You don't have a spinning wheel, you have a toggle: no vaccine or death.

There is no "no risk" option for anything on the planet! But there IS always a risk-benefit balance to be considered.

The risk of a mostly untried vaccine -- and we can argue about where a shorter-than-one-year "trial" of ANYthing injected into a body -- might land on a been-adequately-tested to not-really-tested continuum -- MUST be weighed against: is there a safe/safer and effective treatment?

Yes, there are several -- the fact that malign/evil pols have been locking down and arresting doctors for prescribing them does not mean they don't work. Banning mention of them on the socials does not mean they don't work. Claiming falsely that there MIGHT be heart problems with hydroxy -- when it's been prescribed literally MILLIONS of times for 20+ years with almost no bad effects except in those rare cases when dosing is done wrong, must be balanced against the countries where some districts did use it and had extremely low bad COVID effects as against nearby districts that didn't use it and had many deaths.

You're arguing without one FULL side of the argument!

Blogger One Deplorable DT December 18, 2020 2:48 PM  

@155 Citation Needed. Because while I haven't tried hard yet, I've never heard that drug and vaccine Phase I-III trials take five years, and this could be confirmed with some quality time spent on ClinicalTrials.gov.

My mistake. The average time for FDA drug approval in the United States is 12 years. Not 5. I threw the number 5 out there because it's the expected total study/approval time for another drug I was reading about recently. But that's one with far less potential for destroying lives than a wayward vaccine.

And we have had vaccines go sideways multiple times in the 20th century. The safety profile of a vaccine is not something you can produce and evaluate in months.

The problem with your requirement for a sufficiently informed risk assessment is that we're already conducting an experiment on a vast scale, hundreds of millions of people getting the wild type virus in an uncontrolled fashion...

Two wrongs do not make a right. Also: this is not humanity's first coronavirus pandemic. Not by a long shot. So I take issue with the characterization that a bad coronavirus season is an uncontrolled experiment in the same way that these rushed vaccines are.

We know morbidity from COVID-19 exists, can be very bad, can be widespread, so it's an issue of balancing two risks.

How exactly do you balance against an unknown variable? What if these vaccines end up enhancing the ability of covid-19 or a future coronavirus strain to invade, replicate, and kill? That's one of the risks with vaccines, and it's a risk that takes years to evaluate.

From a societal or humanity surviving point of view, perhaps you'd want a spread of people taking various vaccines, and a cohort only getting natural immunity from the wild type virus.

Or, you know, maybe give Ivermectin to people at risk and people who land in the hospital. And let the rest of us develop herd immunity the old fashioned way.

@158 The biggest truncation? Researchers not having to pause their work until they get their next grant.

No, the biggest truncation is the mere 2 months of safety data. You cannot know that a vaccine is safe in 2 months. Period.

If this is an issue, it's also one for getting infected by the wild type virus.

No. Not necessarily at the same level, not necessarily at all. A mRNA vaccine is not a live virus or even a dead one and you have no inherent guarantee that it will follow the same biological pathways to the same end results. You can only know that with years of observation.

Blogger Bezzle December 18, 2020 3:13 PM  

You too can now die minutes apart.

Blogger David McCarthy December 18, 2020 3:24 PM  

Well good thing I wasn't talking to you.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 18, 2020 3:25 PM  

The rush to get the vaccine out did all of us one huge favor, even if somehow Biden is installed next month, making it mandatory, and having Bill Gates design the nano-tech to track us will be more difficult to get started.

Blogger Elder Son December 18, 2020 3:28 PM  

From: RADM Denise M. Hinton, Chief Scientist, FDA.

To: Pfizer Inc., Ms. Elisa Harkins.

December 11, 2020

Snippets:

I have concluded, pursuant to Section 564(d)(2) of the Act, that it is reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine, when used to prevent COVID-19 and used in accordance with this Scope of Authorization (Section II), outweigh its known and potential risks.

I have concluded, pursuant to Section 564(d)(3) of the Act, based on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, that it is reasonable to believe that Pfizer-BioNTechCOVID‑19 Vaccine may be effective in preventing COVID-19 when used in accordance with this Scope of Authorization (Section II), pursuant to Section 564(c)(2)(A) of the Act.

And:

Y. All descriptive printed matter, advertising, and promotional material relating to the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine clearly and conspicuously shall state that:

This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 16 years of age and older.

Well, it all sounds so reasonable to me, I am heading out the door now to get my mRNA-RNA-DNA vaccine.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144412/download

Blogger Crew December 18, 2020 3:46 PM  

Maybe it's a conspiracy to eliminate blacks!

https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2020/12/18/insanity-wrap-110-go-to-the-back-of-the-vaccine-bus-whitey-n1218205

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 4:31 PM  

@137 Avalanche

Do you really trust the CDC? Masks, no masks, masks, no mask....

The same CDC of the US public health community which holds infectious disease control in disdain, which is written in blood when we get a problem? This community focused on "lifestyle" issues like banning Big Gulps and guns? Not at all; I guess it's a good thing the rather paranoid FDA is in charge of licencing vaccines....

@156 Avalanche

We aren't hearing much about the requirement to keep the @#$%^&* stuff at NEGATIVE 100-degree F! And even then, it only lasts ~10 days. There is no hospital, clinic, drugstore or supermarket that has the ability to keep ANYthing at -100 degrees!

That's only the BioNTech vaccine, civilans could keep Moderna's cold enough with non-frost free fridges and freezers. One of my local hosptials rented the ultra-low-temperature (ULT) freezer needed, otherwise there's this stuff known as dry ice.... And it lasts for months at that tempreture, it's 5 days after being thawed in a fridge.

Everything else you say in this comment is thus wrong, for example, my local hosptial received about 2,000 doses, which are provided on the condition half are used now, and the other half for the second booster dose in three weeks.

@162 Avalanche

The human tests are done in CAREFULLY chosen groups of folks who must be allowed by ethical trial boards: so, young-ish, healthy, no autoimmune conditions, no general genetic or epigenetic issues, and so on.

From the advisory committee briefing papers, Pfizer has 850 subjects for each arm of the Phase 2/3 study >= 75, 4,300 >= 65. Of the 43,000 total Phase 2/3 participants 8.4% have diabetes and 7.8% pulmonary disease. Moderna has 3,500 subjects for each arm of their Phase III trial > 65 years of age. Of the 30,000 total Phase III participants, 9.4% have diabetes, 4.8% "chronic lung disease," 4.9% "significant cardiac disease," and 6.5% "severe obesity."

@164 Avalanche

on this case NOT tried in animals

Both mRNA companies infamously started their animal trials at the same time their Phase I trials on humans.

@166. Homesteader

@ telling-

Per the rules of the blog-

Did you actually read the Hazeltine article, or not? If so- what are your specific refutations, aside from "nope, he's insane?"


Not my problem if you can't be bothered to read and remember what I said about what he said. See again @41 and @155.

And- when the COVID 19 vaccine is made available to you- will you consent to receiving it, or not?

Yes, or No?


Not a decision I can really make for months, being in the lowest priority group, so neither yes nor no today.

169. One Deplorable DT

@155 Citation Needed. Because while I haven't tried hard yet, I've never heard that drug and vaccine Phase I-III trials take five years, and this could be confirmed with some quality time spent on ClinicalTrials.gov.

My mistake. The average time for FDA drug approval in the United States is 12 years. Not 5.


You're asking the wrong questions, it's not how much time do researchers and companies take to bring a drug or biologic like a vaccine to market under normal conditions, without for example purchase guarantees if FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) level successful, it's how long does a Phase III final safety and efficacy trial take, and before that Phases I (not long, it's all about dosing) and II.

And I won't quibble about your counterclaim that the most severe truncation was only 2 months of safety data from half the trial population. Although now it's 3 months for Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna's additional time clock started ten days later on November 30th when they delivered their EUA application to the FDA.

Blogger Angela December 18, 2020 4:32 PM  

@John Clark, I do believe his proper name is Flannel Daddy.

Blogger Anne December 18, 2020 4:49 PM  

Even for the big genocidal viruses, the solution is the same as for COVID. You know in the middle ages, the people who survived the black plague didn't do so because they were vaccinated.

Blogger Major Styles December 18, 2020 4:51 PM  

Another possibility, completely opposite from the vaccine being deadly. The vaccine basically does nothing and is really just a cover for a another Jewish cash grab.

Covid vaccine = Another Chaim Levin hustle

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 4:56 PM  

Nate wrote:... if you miss two weeks of work the hospital loses 2 weeks of OR cases,...

They aren't weighing the risk of being harmed by the disease. They can't afford to miss work...

The problem here isn't the disease, it's the two weeks. It'll take around 3 to 5 days to get over the chinkypox, then another 8 to 10 days to appease the panic cultists. If you're ministering to people who have chinkypox, there's no reason not to work while sick with it yourself, once you get past the first couple of days and are feeling pretty good again.

In short, the real risk here is not the disease, but the official response to the disease, which is utterly inappropriate for this mild infection, and utterly inadequate for any serious plague.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope December 18, 2020 4:57 PM  

Nate, in all seriousness, your wife probably should get the vaccine. Most of the hospitalists and intensivists where I work are getting it for similar reasons.

Please let us know how she and her colleagues do with the second shot in 21 days.

We are scheduling people so they don't work for two days at least after the second shot.

Much appreciated due to your established credibility.

Blogger Elder Son December 18, 2020 4:58 PM  

Remember, the PCR test is the pandemic. Anyhow, this really shouldn't be "Breaking News" to anyone who has been paying attention.

WHO (finally) admits PCR tests create false positives - Warnings concerning high CT value of tests are months too late…so why are they appearing now? The potential explanation is shockingly cynical.

So why has the WHO finally decided to say this is wrong? What reason could they have for finally choosing to recognise this simple reality? The answer to that is potentially shockingly cynical: We have a vaccine now. We don’t need false positives anymore. Notionally, the system has produced its miracle cure. So, after everyone has been vaccinated, all the PCR tests being done will be done “under the new WHO guidelines”, and running only 25-30 cycles instead of 35+. Lo and behold, the number of “positive cases” will plummet, and we’ll have confirmation that our miracle vaccine works. After months of flooding the data pool with false positives, miscounting deaths “by accident”, adding “Covid19 related death” to every other death certificate…they can stop. The create-a-pandemic machine can be turned down to zero again. …as long as we all do as we’re told. Any signs of dissent – masses of people refusing the vaccine, for example – and the CT value can start to climb again, and they bring back their magical disease.

http://tapnewswire.com/2020/12/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives/

Devious! Devious I say!

Just get your shot people.

Jon Rappaport has been talking about this for months now.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/?s=PCR+Test&submit=Search

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 5:01 PM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:We know morbidity from COVID-19 exists, can be very bad, can be widespread, ...
All clearly false.
We know that morbidity with the chinkypox exists.
Morbidity from the chinkypox is still under 10,000 in a nation of 330,000,000.
I'm more worried about shark bite than chinkypox, and I NEVER go in the ocean.

Blogger Jack Amok December 18, 2020 5:02 PM  

In other words, white rural Christians are being selected as the first victims of this vaccine. I don't call that a coincidence.

No, hospital workers are the first victims.

The problem with your requirement for a sufficiently informed risk assessment is that we're already conducting an experiment on a vast scale, hundreds of millions of people getting the wild type virus in an uncontrolled fashion

You are ignoring the difference between becoming infected by the virus entering through mucus or respiratory system vs having it (and whatever else is tagging along) injected into your body. Different acquisitions, different potential O-chem responses. Our bodies are - take your pick - either designed for dealing with the first type of infection vector, or else have millions of years of evolution to deal with that infection vector. We have less than four generations of experience being injected with vaccines.

And considering Boomers and Millennials are two of those experimental generations... well, draw your own conclusions.

Blogger Crew December 18, 2020 6:34 PM  

@179: Maybe I haven't had the chinkypox but I never take more than a day to get over the common cold and I have never had influenza, as far as I know.

I also do not get the vaccine for influenza ... and don't think I need to put shit in my body for something I think I will never have a problem with.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 6:53 PM  

@182 Ominous Cowherd:

@ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:
We know morbidity from COVID-19 exists, can be very bad, can be widespread, ...

All clearly false.
We know that morbidity with the chinkypox exists.
Morbidity from the chinkypox is still under 10,000 in a nation of 330,000,000.


From Mirriam-Webster: morbidity, "2: a diseased state or symptom : ill health" Like "long COVID" for from one estimate I recently heard, 10% of survivors of I assume symptomatic COVID-19. And there's more....

I think you mean mortality, that is death, where this common argument is, that person didn't die from a gunshot wound, he died with one when he ran out of blood.

@183 Jack Amok:

You are ignoring the difference between becoming infected by the virus entering through mucus or respiratory system vs having it (and whatever else is tagging along) injected into your body. Different acquisitions, different potential O-chem responses. Our bodies are - take your pick - either designed for dealing with the first type of infection vector, or else have millions of years of evolution to deal with that infection vector. We have less than four generations of experience being injected with vaccines.

This is a very good point I don't remember often enough. We might note the smallpox vaccine inoculation method is subcutaneous injection, not intramuscular.

However for "active" vaccines, the end result is a different set of cells gets hijacked, but hijacked in the same way, so we're still somewhat mimicking nature. "Killed" virus and protein plus adjuvants, much further from nature. On the other hand, lockjaw is an ugly way to die....

And considering Boomers and Millennials are two of those experimental generations...

Fortunately, I don't know much about either, although the more I read the now group Instapundit blog, the more I get annoyed by Ed Driscoll. But the Silent Generation from which my parents came also should have gotten a great many vaccines: smallpox of course, tetanus and eventually TDaP boosters, pertussis, as adults polio, not measles from my recent readings because it's so transmissible everyone of their age was assumed to have natural immunity, and maybe mumps. Definitely avoiding the bunched up childhood schedule for the convenience of those administering the vaccines that VD and I are very suspicious of.

Blogger Prof. Spudd December 18, 2020 7:03 PM  

You've removed off your 'spinning wheel' EVERY option except vaccine or death. And even taken off the "~99.5% who get COVID DO NOT DIE" option!

Right. The safest way to get through this is to actually get COVID. What’s the re-infection rate, literally one in a million? I had it, it was a less-than-average severity cold, plus having my sense of smell knocked out and a couple of other weird short-term things consistent with the bug. As opposed to a vaccine that will do goodness knows what.

I’m all for covidphobes taking it, especially since the vast majority are Biden voters.

Blogger Done with it all December 18, 2020 7:11 PM  

"Why I know 12 peoples who got the vaxzine tuday an dey all fine" - Dumbshit Moron III

Blogger Tom Bombadil December 18, 2020 7:42 PM  

A: there's no guarantee everyone gets the same "vaccine"

B: sickness from the vaccine will almost certainly be blamed on something other than the vaccine, and likely used to further ratchet up the hysteria

B.1: increased hysteria means more drastic measures against the anti-vaxers

Faulty circular logic, hysterical overreaction to a false dilemma, does this m.o. sound familiar?

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 18, 2020 8:14 PM  

@181, Bingo. I posted that somewhere else earlier today. They can end the pandemic any time they want by tightening up the rules on the PCR tests and reporting. Suddenly Covid-related deaths go away, old people go back to dying of pneumonia and other causes, and they declare victory. The "vaccine" could be a saline shot and it wouldn't matter. Unfortunately it's probably not that harmless.

Blogger Off The Wall December 18, 2020 8:16 PM  

Front line medical workers in Canada don’t have a choice. Take the vaccine or don’t work anymore.

Blogger Homesteader December 18, 2020 8:43 PM  

@ Telling-

@166. Homesteader

@ telling-

Per the rules of the blog-

"Did you actually read the Hazeltine article, or not? If so- what are your specific refutations, aside from "nope, he's insane?"

"Not my problem if you can't be bothered to read and remember what I said about what he said. See again @41 and @155."

And- when the COVID 19 vaccine is made available to you- will you consent to receiving it, or not?

Yes, or No?

"Not a decision I can really make for months, being in the lowest priority group, so neither yes nor no today."


Ok. You're now getting tiresome.

I went back and re-read 41 and 155.

You repeated yourself about phlebotomy.
The article touched on several significant issues, none of which you addressed. Phlebotomy, wasn't one of them. Do try again.
And, FFS, stop with the "he's insane". You sound like a Karen at a watercooler.

(And-BTW-blood draws are not the torture sessions you describe them to be. Especially for a motivated patient or volunteer. Stop by a dialysis clinic sometime.)

And, again- you're waffling.
The Phizer COVID-19 vaccine is offered to you TODAY- do you take it, or do you refuse?
Your hypothetical far future conjecture is disingenuous at best, given how much you've defended vaccination today.

And-We all realize you're an MD or a post-doc, or both. Congrats. There are many such here; whom are you trying to impress?

You're surrounded by people of similar intellect; please do everyone the courtesy of dropping the glib retorts. They don't work here.


Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 9:02 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:The safest way to get through this is to actually get COVID. What’s the re-infection rate, literally one in a million? I had it, it was a less-than-average severity cold, plus having my sense of smell knocked out and a couple of other weird short-term things consistent with the bug.
Pretty much my experience. I had a sore throat for three days, then lost my sense of smell for about another three. If it wasn't for that, I would have never guessed that minor illness could have been The Dread Chinkypox.

If your health is fair, get the disease and get it over with.

Blogger NedFlinders December 18, 2020 9:04 PM  

@190. "Front line medical workers in Canada don’t have a choice. Take the vaccine or don’t work anymore."

Says they don't have a choice. Literally goes on to provide two options in the next sentence.

It's not only the stupid who this virus will sift from the smart. Anyone who is not willing to make sacrifices to secure their lineage will be consigned to genetic history as well. If you value your well paid job and your regular flights and your concert and sports game attendances more than you value the future of your people then squeeze as much value out of those things as possible before the chart of your family tree is rolled up and filed away for good.

I'm wrestling personally with the fact that this vaccine is going to give the world to my descendants and virtually wipe out the people who despise me and want me and mine dead. The people with no self awareness, no courage to choose truth over popularity, and yes, the kind of people so materialistic that they say "I didn't have a choice, my wealth production (ergo my lifestyle) depended on it."

I think God is telling me that sometimes He even uses evil people to balance the scales, and this silent war against the dullards and the hedonists appears to be such a case. He's also telling me not to rage against it, because it's as pointless as trying to push back a herd of cattle desperate to make it to the feedlots.

As for me, I will suffer the persecution of the mob and do whatever it takes to make a living outside of their controls. I will only resist violently if they resort to force to sterilize me and mine. The cattle may suffer their fate. They choose it.

Blogger eclecticme December 18, 2020 9:27 PM  

Tucker Carlson tonight was quoting some CDC committee saying that even though vaccinating front line health workers and the elderly would save the most lives they would use a different priority. The elderly are too white so more 'equitable' priorities will be used.

I cannot find any links to the source.

Blogger Done with it all December 18, 2020 9:30 PM  

NedFlinders, nice thoughtful post. Godspeed.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 18, 2020 9:51 PM  

Front line medical workers in Canada don’t have a choice. Take the vaccine or don’t work anymore.
Easy choice. Anyone who can make a good living as a physician or nurse could make a better living elsewhere.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 18, 2020 10:53 PM  

@194 eclecticme:

Tucker Carlson tonight was quoting some CDC committee saying that even though vaccinating front line health workers and the elderly would save the most lives they would use a different priority. The elderly are too white so more 'equitable' priorities will be used.

I cannot find any links to the source.


This topic just blew up on Unz.com where you'll find the details and I think links, but note one important thing, the CDC only makes its recommendations, they're not in the least binding on Operation Warp Speed (OWS), the states that get vaccines from OWS, etc.

On the other hand, there's a big premium in increasing staffing levels at hospitals ASAP. At least locally for me that's the big constraint, not the raw number of beds, improve this and you don't have to bend the curve so much. But there aren't that many people in that healthcare worker segment.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel December 18, 2020 11:14 PM  

I can see the efficacy of vaccines against truly horrible diseases like Polio and Small Pox.. but Covid 19?

If vaccine is half-effective, let those with co-morbidities and old folks take them IF THEY WANT. It should not be pushed on rest of us who have almost no chance of dying from the infection.

Blogger Evan E December 19, 2020 1:37 AM  

I have pondered this. Trump was a vocal critic of vaccines before his presidency. Now he is all in on them for covid.

A couple possibilities:

1) Once enough get vaccinated, the general hysteria from the normies will subside and the tyranny of the lock downs will be suspect to even them. This in turn ends the nonsense and we get back to normal and that helps overall more than hurts.

2) Trump mandated a safer vaccine, perhaps. Someone posted it's adjuvant free. That is big news if true. From my decade long research delve into vaccines, the single worst issue seems to be the aluminum added. Interestingly, injecting foreign matter into the body doesn't create much of a response. The body just goes about cleaning it up. It was discovered quit a long time ago that adding aluminum created the equivalent of a nuke going off in the body (something like 1000x immune response, iirc). And aluminum in the body tissue has an incredibly long detox time, if ever. A man named Forrest Maready has written a compelling book titled "Crooked" that goes into a very intriguing hypothesis about what this metal might be doing to people. It's worth looking into. So, if the vaccine is adjuvant free, that might be an angle.

The optics are critical for Trump right now. Unfortunately, most normies are still under the death cult medicine spell, although that is beginning to show the signs of collapse. 3/4 of modern medicine is pure garbage. Emergency acute care can do great stuff, but chronic diseases are a total failure, as is the cancer treatment death machine. Just stay away from doctors in general. You can request testing, but treatment should ALWAYS be researched yourself. The future of medicine lies in reestablishing proper bodily detoxification. Once that happens, healing occurs automatically in most people. Vaccines play no role in that. They are weapons to defile Creation and have done exactly that. Resist them at all costs. Even if Trump has a safer one, it's all based upon lies and evil.

Blogger Catchthefox December 19, 2020 2:58 AM  

No you f'ing moron, people whose health is compromised are exactly those that will drop like flies due to this. What are you trying to pull, Logan's Run?

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