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Sunday, December 06, 2020

That's not an accident

It's not even a hacked car, given the description.

#HarrisonDeal car exploded (witnesses heard the explosion over a mile away).  Vehicle left as molten metal, engine block ejected 50-60 yards away.  That’s not an accident. That’s a car bomb disguised as an accident.

- Land of the Free

Unlike most people, I have actually crashed a car, set it on fire, and seen the fuel tank explode. 

It wasn't even a crash per se, it just an unfortunate accident when I went off the road in a road rally in a 1977 MGB during the midst of a serious summer drought. Once the car came to a halt, unharmed, we heard something crackling underneath us and very soon after, smelled smoke. The catalytic converter had set the very dry field alight. A soon as I realized the car was stuck, we promptly bailed and ran toward the nearest farmhouse. 

The fireman arrived too late to do anything about the car, but they did manage to prevent the fire from engulfing the whole field or endangering any homes. When the gas tank exploded, it wasn't like a bomb blast and it didn't do anything more than blow the trunk cover up, with a dull crump that sent a brief stream of very black smoke up amidst the regular grey smoke from the fire. It didn't even blow the cover off entirely, and MGB's are essentially made out of tin.

Neither gasoline nor diesel explode in a manner resembling movie effects. They ignite and they burn, to be sure, but they don't explode. So whatever made the Deal car explode so violently, it wasn't anything that one would normally find in a civilian automobile or truck.

However, I doubt the engine block could have been ejected that far and I haven't seen that in any of the eyewitness accounts. The amount of explosive required to do that would have been unlikely to leave any survivors in the other vehicles, which suggests someone is confusing that detail with details from Michael Hasting's "accident".

Anyhow, this suggests that the President should make his move sooner rather than later, lest the innocent suffer. And from the strategic perspective, a demonstrated inability to protect those around the elected officials who are already afraid to do their duty is not going to convince them to do it.

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90 Comments:

Blogger parascribe December 06, 2020 10:43 AM  

I worked EMS for about 20 years, saw literally hundreds of car wrecks. Only a handful resulted in fire of any kind and zero explosions. This stinks.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore December 06, 2020 10:45 AM  

It was either an attempt to kill his daughter as retaliation or a threat to kill his daughter to persuade Kemp to go no further or conduct a recount disguised as an audit.

Blogger HRbetting December 06, 2020 10:50 AM  

So he was likely dating Kemps daughter, and had aided both Perdue and Loeffler. Very interesting.

A few years ago I would thought that wow, what a coincidence! Now I'm almost convinced it was a warning to Kemp, Perdue & Loeffler that If they start thinking of pushing against The fraud they are coming after them and their family.

Blogger Crew December 06, 2020 10:52 AM  

The Democrats and Globalists are burning some serious bridges ...

Blogger Homo Insidious December 06, 2020 10:54 AM  

Completely correct. The only way to get liquid gasoline to actually explode like a bomb would be to pre-mix it with a great deal of oxygen and ignite it inside a pressure container that allowed a great deal of energy to build up before rupture.

If gasoline were a high explosive we certainly wouldn't be using it to power our cars.

That said it can make for a very impressive fire. There'a a scary amount of energy in a single tank of gas.

Blogger Done with it all December 06, 2020 10:54 AM  

Deputize the patriots Mr. President. Call up the well regulated militia. We will take care of business. Rest assured. They want to fight... as The Duke said to Bruce Dern in The Cowboys "on my worst day I could beat the hell out of you".

Blogger Crew December 06, 2020 10:54 AM  

I think we need a hanging judge!

Blogger PeopleMakerBear December 06, 2020 10:54 AM  

As a former cop, this has been my experience with many car accidents I came upon after the gas ignited. In fact it’s extremely rare the gas ignites at all. Most accidents I came across had no signs of fire, at most steam from the radiator or oil smoking from the engine was the closest thing to a fire.

Blogger Done with it all December 06, 2020 10:56 AM  

And another favorite from The Cowboys: "lets see how you do when they come a little bigger"...

Blogger Gr8Again December 06, 2020 10:59 AM  

Gasoline vapor pressure is very high.

When a fluid like gasoline sits in an enclosed tank, gaseous vapors evaporate off of the fluid and mix into the air above the fluid. Because gasoline has a high vapor pressure, the gas vapor/oxygen mixture in the air space above the fluid has a high proportion of gas vapor relative to oxygen. This results in a fuel/oxygen ratio that is too low in oxygen to propagate an explosion.

Basically, Hollywood movies depicting gas tank explosions are fake. The only way you can have a gas tank explosion is if the temperature is below -40F (which lowers gasoline vapor pressure enough so the fuel/oxygen ratio is suitable for an explosion).

Blogger Lawman December 06, 2020 11:01 AM  

I investigated fatal crashes professionally for several years. I've had a hand in a few hundred investigations. Post-crash car fires are uncommon, but I saw a couple every year. However, I can only think of one circumstance in which multiple vehicles caught fire. It's highly unusual but not dispositive by itself. It looks like there's a diesel spill, which could explain the fire spreading from one vehicle to another.

Nonetheless, this case screams out for further investigation. It's hard to make a guess without witness statements and examination of the physical evidence. Car fires typically make the crash investigation more difficult, because it destroys the collision/impact evidence on the body of the vehicle. The ACM (black box) is probably destroyed, and they only record when the airbag deploys anyway. I can't tell if the front airbags went off on the black BMW - the curtain airbags aren't deployed. There should still be good road evidence, depending on what happened.

I hope the investigators are up for the challenge.

Blogger Rick December 06, 2020 11:03 AM  

“ Neither gasoline nor diesel explode in a manner resembling movie effects.”

Yes, this is absolutely true. It’s the vapor that explodes. Otherwise it just burns (or doesn’t even burn). More so with diesel. And the narrow “window” of vapor that will explode gasoline must have a certain mixture percentage of oxygen/to fuel (vapor) and of course heat. An explosion is actually a rapid acceleration of fire.
If it was this easy to explode, there’s no way we’d have gas tanks in our cars.
And yes, the fact that the engine block was ejected like that pretty much seals the deal. The chances that the precise fuel/air vapor ratio was met, under the hood, and was contained there at the moment of the car striking it, seems impossible.

Blogger Fabbat1713@aol.com December 06, 2020 11:09 AM  

I concur. I am a fire chief in NYC. I have been to hundreds of car wrecks and fires. Never an explosion. I just responded to a car into a pole at 80 mph. Just flames. No boom, never an explosion. Unless he had a propane cylinder in the bed of his truck, which I doubt.

Blogger kurt9 December 06, 2020 11:11 AM  

This, and the server raid in Germany, suggests the civil war is on after all.

Blogger Gettimothy December 06, 2020 11:11 AM  

Who, in Georgia, has the resources to do this?
Is this domestic terrorism? Foreign?

Does a car bomb leave a chemical/ physical signature?



Blogger d December 06, 2020 11:13 AM  

I drove past a burning car as it was being hosed down by firefighters when its fuel tank "exploded". Nothing more than a scary sound and puff of fire and smoke. Its trunk popped open. Firefighters were unaffected. My car was undamaged.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother December 06, 2020 11:19 AM  

They don't resort to such blatant assassinations that would look at home in the streets of Baghdad for nothing.

To do this, they have to be desperate. Trump really has backed them into a corner and made their chances of victory slim from their perspective.

And desperate people do desperate things.

I agree, Trump must move quickly. How do you protect anyone or anything in this country?

Blogger Homesteader December 06, 2020 11:20 AM  

Normalcy bias and social conditioning will literally blind people to that which is plainly obvious- in this case, an assassination has occurred, designed to affect the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

This alone, should be grounds for GEOTUS to invoke The Insurrection Act immediately.

And yet, millions of Americans will utterly refuse to comprehend what is occurring, or what will soon occur, and why.

Blogger Unknown December 06, 2020 11:23 AM  

Did you check out in the tweet comments the barking-mad moonbat from "TX" who suggested it was TRUMP'S people who did this?

That is some weapons-grade projection, right there.

Blogger Joeplanet December 06, 2020 11:24 AM  

There are no coincidences

Blogger Voracious Reader December 06, 2020 11:27 AM  

If it is an explosive, there will be residue everywhere. Find RDX in what is purported to be a car crash, someone has one hell of a story to report. And an investigation, too.

Blogger GregMan December 06, 2020 11:34 AM  

My father was an insurance claims investigator for many years. He used to say that cars NEVER exploded after an accident like they do in movies and TV. So if this car exploded, it likely was a bomb.

Blogger Republican Mother December 06, 2020 11:38 AM  

Michael Hastings all over again.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 06, 2020 11:43 AM  

Given the proclivity of the right to cuck at the slightest sign of a rumor if a shadow of anything that might induce stress on a bad day, this is all they need to throw everything out the window and surrender.

If Trump does not make a move, it's finished

Blogger Darayvus December 06, 2020 11:45 AM  

"Neither gasoline nor diesel explode in a manner resembling movie effects. They ignite and they burn, to be sure, but they don't explode."

An infamous trope of Bad Movie Physics: https://www.neatorama.com/2007/03/06/9-laws-of-physics-that-dont-apply-in-hollywood/

That article claims "In general, there’s no need to rush out of a crashed car, risking injury, because you fear an imminent explosion" but since (some might argue) being burned to death while choking on smoke in a dry field is an even worse way out, running away from that car is the correct move.

The combustion-engine is a (controlled) explosion, but it's done under high pressure. Not at Chatham County's 100 kPa.

Blogger Rough Carrigan December 06, 2020 11:45 AM  

That's what happened in the case of Michael Hastings. The engine somehow separated from the rest of the car.

Blogger JD Curtis December 06, 2020 11:46 AM  

You're right.
I have personally written WELL in excess of 1,000 traffic accident reports. I've never seen any like this.
In only a small handful was I informed while en route that gas was leaking and there existed the real possibility of the vehicle catching fire. Thankfully, I've never seen one go up in flames. With Fire-Rescue responding Code 3 they're oftentimes on scene before I am in these instances and have already stopped the engine and spread kitty litter over the leaked fuel/fluids by the time I get there.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 06, 2020 11:47 AM  

In likely related news, Martin Sandoval was a corrupt Democrat state senator in Illinois (but I repeat myself). He was busted in 2019 for taking over a quarter of a million dollars in bribes, and in January of this year he pled guilty and agreed to help the feds with further investigations.

Sandoval died in the hospital yesterday of the coof.

Anonymous Anonymous December 06, 2020 11:53 AM  

GA is a state Cabal was in the process of taking over. There are ton of Latin Mafia types and obvious illegals all over the state, not to mention the hotbed of corruption that is Atlanta. Not a lot of people remember that all of Atlanta's leaders were assassinated in a single plane crash back in the late 60s/ early 70s. It's the Cabal who has grown it to the size it is today, and filled it with aliens and racists (and no planning, causing the awful traffic there).

It’s been really bad for about 5 years in the entire state (I've got family there). IMO, these are new traitors and thus the Cabal isn't sure about their loyalty yet. So more violence. Basically the state isn’t quite over the barrel like CA yet, so there’s more uncertainty.


IMO, these are new traitors and thus the Cabal isn't sure about their loyalty yet. So more violence.

Blogger Johnny December 06, 2020 11:55 AM  

Either the public gets its head out of its collective a$$, or we are watching the termination of what is left of our democracy.

Blogger robins111 December 06, 2020 11:57 AM  

32 years in the Fire Services, 17 as a career Chief Officer. I've been to hundreds of vehicle fires and never has one explode, other than tires popping and once a drive shaft blew. Never even heard of an engine block ejected.

Blogger MichaelJMaier December 06, 2020 12:14 PM  

I watched an overheating VW bug bus catch fire. All four tires exploded and then the gas tank, eventually. But it was overwhelming. It was kind of loud but not a bang or boom. More of a flumph. And the flames only burst out by maybe another third.

Blogger My Comment December 06, 2020 12:16 PM  

I wonder if Trump will tweet about this

Blogger SecondComingOfBast December 06, 2020 12:20 PM  

The Left will probably accuse Trump of doing this to threaten Kemp, once they get pass denying it was anything but an accident.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants December 06, 2020 12:22 PM  

I saw a car blow up once. It had two large full propane tanks in it. Anything other than a car/truck with something like that inside, is suspect as all heck.

Blogger bw December 06, 2020 12:25 PM  

Hastings

Blogger Silent Draco December 06, 2020 12:28 PM  

Engine blocks are lighter now (aluminum), but that's about 10 kg of RDX or similar plasticized HE to eject the engine block 50-60 yds. That's a big blast; fires propagate because fuel tanks get ruptured and contribute to it. Possible addition of aluminum powder to increase blast and incendiary effects. Someone better have swabbed for nitrates and nitramines.

Blogger Iceeater December 06, 2020 12:32 PM  

Combat Engr officer in vietnam - blow up stuff w amonjim nitrare, c4 hogh explosives.
AS engr at exoon pileline studied explosive limits and flamible limits realive to potential pileline releases.
1 High explosives mines that blew jeeps to pieces killed and dismembered everyone.
Gasoline vapor will catch fire with a loud puff.
Of yhe gasses that are released from pileline- ehtylene is most dangerous - will auto refrigerate and hug ground - till finds ignition source. When it ignites the ignited wave front spreads out. If mixture w air to rich it stops. As wave spreads to an area where the gas has an explosive mixture - it will create an explosive wave front that will rapidly conect to other areas which could make a large area explosion
Propane when released in massive quanties when exploded will break windows miles away.

I suspect w have bad info on motor w 3 other passengers not dead.


Blogger R Devere December 06, 2020 12:35 PM  

Crew wrote:I think we need a hanging judge!
______________________________________

Au contraire! I think we need more than few judges hanged!

Blogger Otto December 06, 2020 12:38 PM  

Nathan Deal was the previous Republican governor of GA.

I haven't been able to confirm it, but I suspect Harrison Deal is related to the governor in some way.

Blogger Iceeater December 06, 2020 12:40 PM  

Combat Engr officer in vietnam - blow up stuff w amonjim nitrare, c4 high explosives.
AS engr at exxon pileline studied explosive limits and and flammable limits relative for potential pileline releases.
1 High explosives mines that blew jeeps to pieces killed and dismembered everyone.
Gasoline vapor will catch fire with a loud puff.
Of yhe gasses that are released from pileline- ehtylene and propane is most dangerous - will auto refrigerate and hug ground - till finds ignition source. When it ignites the ignited wave front spreads out. If mixture w air to rich it stops. As wave spreads to an area where the gas has an explosive mixture - it will create an explosive wave front that will rapidly conect to other areas which could make a large area explosion
Propane when released in massive quanties when exploded will break windows miles away. In petal Mississippi we had a major release that went to a highway - car stalled in the vapor cloud, then when cloud got less density the car started and flames went up hill to the open water pit where there was a massive release. The fire went up till it reached the explosive limit. Explosion broke windows 3 away, woke up the sleeping pipeline operator and scared the hell out ofcthe people on road. Minimal damage and n one injured.

I suspect w have bad info on motor w 3 other passengers not dead.


Blogger Tom Bombadil December 06, 2020 12:46 PM  

Bomb, missile, who knows. They've done it many times, mostly in the "middle east". This time, "south east".

Blogger xevious2030 December 06, 2020 12:46 PM  

“How do you protect anyone or anything in this country?”

Magic. The same thing that was attempted to be used to destroy.

Blogger vmax71 December 06, 2020 12:50 PM  

#18:



18. HomesteaderDecember 06, 2020 11:20 AM
Normalcy bias and social conditioning will literally blind people to that which is plainly obvious- in this case, an assassination has occurred, designed to affect the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

This alone, should be grounds for GEOTUS to invoke The Insurrection Act immediately.

And yet, millions of Americans will utterly refuse to comprehend what is occurring, or what will soon occur, and why.




You are absolutely correct but the lack of response by our society at large is but a symptom of the sickness that has overtaken us.

Blogger thethirdcoast December 06, 2020 12:52 PM  

Anyone else remember how one of the news networks (NBC IIRC) got caught going to extensive lengths to rig a vehicle (Chevy pickup, IIRC) to catch flame and explode in their crash tests for their scare campaign against that type of vehicle?

My fuzzy memory says this went down in the late '80s/early '90s.

Blogger calebjames December 06, 2020 12:57 PM  

30 year fireman here. The only explosion on 99.9% of vehicle fires are the tires. They pop and give you a scare. Also water on steering column will spark and pop. They are magnesium.

Blogger Johnny December 06, 2020 1:00 PM  

A powerful gas-air explosion can occur, a thermobaric bomb, but it requires a large volume of air for its power. A friend of mine checked the level of gasoline in a gas tank with a match and was lucky it only burned off his eyebrows. And I saw a gas tank explode. Blew off the gas cap and sent an impressive plume of fire into the air. Yet another guy I know lit a gas tank of fire with an cutting torch. The tank flu in the air and he got some serious burns from it. Apparently I know stupid people.

Not far from where I live some black guys (Nation of Islam?), poured gasoline around in a church, a couple of gallons. Instead of lighting on fire it exploded and blew all the windows out of the building. It left them semi damaged. Some damage to them and it made them really easy to spot as suspects.

Gasoline explosions don't usually make much noise, I suppose because it is progressing flame front. It is a relatively slow progression for a thing called an explosive.

If they do anything like proper forensic work, it should be really easy to detect if this was a car bomb. Well they report it? Where we are, maybe not.

Blogger Crew December 06, 2020 1:01 PM  

That wasn't an accident. It was a warning!

Blogger urthshu December 06, 2020 1:38 PM  

Question
Was this a hybrid car? Would an electric fire torch the gas?

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz December 06, 2020 1:59 PM  

At my dad's firehouse back in '75-76, they had a Chevy Nova doing about 80 mph skid off the road out front, and go sideways into a tree basically liquifying the two occupants. As the front split off, the big block engine ejected and cartwheeled away about a hundred or so feet, stopping next to the state police barracks next door. There was no fire or explosion when the tank split. It left quite an impression on me as I was just starting out my driving experience, and my brother, father and four of their fellow firemen were sitting on the bench out front watching this all go down in real time.

Blogger Gilbert Ratchet December 06, 2020 2:03 PM  

thethirdcoast wrote:Anyone else remember how one of the news networks (NBC IIRC) got caught going to extensive lengths to rig a vehicle (Chevy pickup, IIRC) to catch flame and explode in their crash tests for their scare campaign against that type of vehicle?

My fuzzy memory says this went down in the late '80s/early '90s.


It was in 1992.

SNL did a parody of it.

Blogger When? December 06, 2020 2:08 PM  

At what point does it not appear that all that is happening in response is tweets and rallies??

“Anyhow, this suggests that the President should make his move sooner rather than later, lest the innocent suffer. And from the strategic perspective, a demonstrated inability to protect those around the elected officials who are already afraid to do their duty is not going to convince them to do it.”

Why the delay on Insurrection Act?

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz December 06, 2020 2:53 PM  

Optics is my theory...the longer this goes on, the more people are exposed to the crime, the less likely our press can reeeee , 'Dictator!"

I'm thinking it won't belong before the almond tree blossoms....

Blogger Cedric December 06, 2020 2:58 PM  

A lot of stuff is happening and has been happening, it just isn't the executive branch overtly doing it. Court cases, legislative hearings, presentation of evidence. Large scale information war going on to contradict the narrative.

The rally was extremely effective at putting the Republicans back into place. The President can destroy them with just a word, their entire career is now only at his behest. They are very out of touch with their base, and I think they just don't know that, hence why they think they can go back to business as usual. The Senators were shown firsthand how much their voters hold them in complete and utter contempt, and will only hold their nose and vote for them if the President commands it.

Blogger Newscaper312 December 06, 2020 3:04 PM  

@When?
If our guys are truly sitting on slam dunk proof of bug systemic fraud it's gotta come out soon, if only to prep the moral battle space. 4GW remember?
Otherwise anything using Insurrection Act will draw opposition from even Trump supporting normies.
Also I dare say a bad look if pull out the guns but never showed all the cards to SCOTUS first.
Fingers crossed.

Blogger Ben Pratt December 06, 2020 3:12 PM  

There was a fiery multi-vehicle crash on Loop 101 at Broadway on Dec 1 in Arizona. Closed the entire freeway. No word yet on specific injuries. Another warning in another fraud state?

Blogger Long Live The West December 06, 2020 3:22 PM  

It's almost as if Trump would prefer not to have an open civil war.

You can cheer on a civil war you want. Hell, I'm not going to even attempt to say that it wouldnt have potential for some positive outcomes.

But if you can't understand why leaders are hesitant to throw America into a time of death and chaos like it has never seen before, then you need to start thinking more and typing less.

Blogger Angantyr December 06, 2020 3:40 PM  

Johnny wrote:Either the public gets its head out of its collective a$$, or we are watching the termination of what is left of our democracy.

***CRINGE***

Please stop saying "our democracy". It's a Constitutional Republic (or at least is supposed to be).

Blogger Unknown December 06, 2020 3:47 PM  

A 20 year old kid died in a three car pile up, not exactly a rare event, even if it's a tragic one. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. As far as the engine being ejected. I once saw a corvette crash at about 100 mph and the 350 ended up about 300 feet down the road. Not enough details to come to any conclusion.

Blogger Angantyr December 06, 2020 4:00 PM  

The only accidental gasoline explosion I can recall is the loss of the IJN Taihō in the Battle of the Philippine Sea. The USS Albacore launched a spread of six torpedoes at her - 4 missed outright, one was detonated short of the target when Warrant Officer Komatsu flew his aircraft into the torpedo, and one hit. That single hit cracked the avgas tanks, causing fuel leakage and fumes to accumulate.

The "geniuses" in charge of damage control decided to try to vent the fumes by opening ALL of the hatches and turning up the vent fans, which simply spread the fumes throughout the ship, rather than pumping out the fuel contaminated water and covering with fire suppression foam. The resultant explosion blew out the sides of the ship, and eventually sank with some 3/4 or so of her crew.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 06, 2020 4:10 PM  

Angantyr wrote:The resultant explosion blew out the sides of the ship, and eventually sank with some 3/4 or so of her crew.
That's an FAE, not a gasoline explosion as such.

Blogger Reader December 06, 2020 4:22 PM  

Deal is a casualty of war. Their side knows they are at war, and they will do whatever it takes to win. So far, our side is expecting the rule of law to stop them. It will not. Their side recognizes no authority, only power.

They have no law, no morals, no integrity, no decency, nor even humanity to deter them from their objective. We will either overpower them with might or a massive, sustained display of public rejection, or they will win. While they can still fight, they will fight. Evil never gives up. Like gravity, it is always there, waiting to take us down.

Blogger bw December 06, 2020 4:46 PM  

the rule of law to stop them

I wonder what percentage....

Blogger Noah B. December 06, 2020 5:00 PM  

I did see a truck converted to run on propane catch fire once, and impressive as it was even that didn't explode. I was following a friend back to his farm, got separated at a red light, and caught up with him as he was pulled over on the shoulder, flames leaping out of the bed of his truck as he scrambled out of the cab. This all happened without a crash and I don't think he ever found out what exactly caused the fire.

Blogger The Last Roman December 06, 2020 5:39 PM  

It might have been a Pinto.

Blogger Baron December 06, 2020 5:45 PM  

About 13 years ago a 1998 Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer edition exploded 73 meters from my bedroom. There was a recall because if jump started it could damage the fuel line and leak a fuel to air mixture under the hood and I guess the owners didn't hear about the recall. I didn't see the explosion of the gasoline vapor, but it lightly shook some nick-nacks on my book shelf. Went outside and see the whole thing on fire and call the fire dept. The car was parked in the drive way, about 2.5 feet from the garage door. No damage to the door, no damage to the house, no spread of fire, fuel tank didn't explode. The front license plate was blown off the front, bounced off the garage door and ended up behind the car along with an intact case of tic-tacs that must have been sitting on the dashboard.

The carnage of this Deal wreckage looks like something you'd find on the Highway of Death in gulf war 1.

Blogger Angantyr December 06, 2020 5:49 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Angantyr wrote:The resultant explosion blew out the sides of the ship, and eventually sank with some 3/4 or so of her crew.

That's an FAE, not a gasoline explosion as such.


Yeah, they had basically turned the ship into a big FAE. The Japs always sucked at damage control.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 06, 2020 6:15 PM  

A 20 year old kid died in a three car pile up, not exactly a rare event

That's true. But a gas-powered vehicle exploding in a crash is extremely rare. Why are you ignoring the part we're talking about?

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( *autistic screeching* ) December 06, 2020 6:19 PM  

VD
when I went off the road in a road rally in a 1977 MGB during the midst of a serious summer drought. Once the car came to a halt, unharmed, we heard something crackling underneath us and very soon after, smelled smoke. The catalytic converter had set the very dry field alight.


were you rallying your plated street car? any halfway serious racing car should have had the cat cut out and straight piped, simply for reduced back pressure purposes. also allows use of leaded racing gas.

this is not to say that the farmer's field wouldn't have lit off anyways, MGs are extremely low slung cars and the grasses were probably packed all along the exhaust and manifold.

Blogger onyomi December 06, 2020 6:22 PM  

Something like 24 hours before this happened I commented that of all the fishy behavior I'd seen since Nov. 3rd, behavior of GA GOP was the fishiest, almost as if some people cut a deal (e.g. Biden gets White House, GOP keeps senate, or Biden gets White House and we don't release the photos). And then a young man named "Deal" with close connections to Kemp and Loeffler dies in a flaming wreck... Remember the deal...

https://www.reddit.com/r/CultureWarRoundup/comments/k3pgrp/offtopic_and_loweffort_cw_thread_for_the_week_of/gejrhv5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Blogger Felis Concolor December 06, 2020 6:58 PM  

I find it interesting there is no mention of the make and model of the vehicles involved. It would be very easy to check if any of them were equipped with a steel or plastic fuel tank, the latter of which NEVER cause fireballs and the former require unique circumstances to create one. The last (statistically signficant) vehicle to suffer such maladies was Ford's Panther-class police interceptors, which through an unfortunate combination of a steel fuel tank situated ahead of the rear control arms could, in a direct rear-end collision, spray fuel into the required mist that can then ignite into a fireball or very small explosion. Plastic fuel tanks simply rupture and dump their fuel: no fireball; no explosion.

Blogger brbrophy December 06, 2020 7:10 PM  

When they try to intimidate you, you fight back harder. It’s the only way to protect yourself.

Blogger Unknown December 06, 2020 8:32 PM  

If you wanna see what a gasoline bomb looks like just watch a movie. They use them all the time.

Blogger Bezzle December 06, 2020 9:08 PM  

@21. Voracious Reader December 06, 2020 11:27 AM
If it is an explosive, there will be residue everywhere.

Exactly. So far, everything about this heard-but-not-seen "explosion" is entirely consistent with a flat-bed loaded with metal scrap piledriving a smaller vehicle. (The loudest "bang" was probably the truck's own load slamming into the front of the bed.)

When I was a kid, our family drove past a particularly gruesome wreck in which a large truck had collided at highway speed with a van at a crossing, killing everyone in the latter. There was nothing left of the van above the hubcap level; the rest of it was completely obliterated. The truck had basically gone right through it. And this was in the 70s, when everything was still made out of steel.

Many cars today have aluminum bodies and engines (only the cylinder-sleeves are tougher material); in a fire they will melt, and if you've ever throw a pop can in a fire, you know that aluminum can also burn. If lithium or magnesium alloys are present, they will burn very intensely. (There's nothing an FD loves more than having magnesium alloy wheels burning at over 5000F explode when water hits them.)

Blogger Crew December 06, 2020 9:24 PM  

@59: Sometimes a moron is just a moron.

Blogger Crew December 06, 2020 9:25 PM  

@74: Sounds like what happened to Biden's first wife.

Blogger Crew December 06, 2020 9:46 PM  

@74: except the block did not melt, it was ejected quite a way from the car according to a statement upstream:

Engine blocks are lighter now (aluminum), but that's about 10 kg of RDX or similar plasticized HE to eject the engine block 50-60 yds.

Blogger bw December 06, 2020 9:53 PM  

a 1977 MGB during the midst of a serious summer drought. Once the car came to a halt, unharmed, we heard something crackling underneath us and very soon after, smelled smoke. The catalytic converter had set the very dry field alight

...if it'd been at Mt Vernon...

Blogger Aeroschmidt December 06, 2020 10:07 PM  

My wife was on the parkway near 16 and can confirm there was an explosion. She also saw lots of flames.

Definitely weird to have a happening so close to home.

Blogger Bill Henry December 07, 2020 12:06 AM  

Gasoline typically deflagrates (the pressure wave is subsonic).. To detonate(the pressure wave is supersonic, hence loud noise and massive pressure expansion which usually destroys containment vessels) gasoline... an accelerant is required.. you know like the kind you would use in a bomb...

Blogger map December 07, 2020 12:25 AM  

Bezzle wrote:Exactly. So far, everything about this heard-but-not-seen "explosion" is entirely consistent with a flat-bed loaded with metal scrap piledriving a smaller vehicle. (The loudest "bang" was probably the truck's own load slamming into the front of the bed.)

Question is, how did the kid lose control of the car and get hit by a truck in the first place?

This could be an accident...but anything from hacking the OBD2 port to a small explosion by the brakes or the axle could cause the crash. Time the explosion/hack to somewhere near a big commercial vehicle and you have your accident.

Blogger Bezzle December 07, 2020 12:29 AM  

@77. Crew December 06, 2020 9:46 PM
@74: ...10 kg of RDX or similar plasticized HE to eject the engine block 50-60 yds.

You know what else will eject an engine block 50-60 yards? Getting plowed by a truck. (Didn't anyone else watch Russian dash-cam crash videos five years ago before YouTube went moist-towelette and got rid of all the "violent" channels?)

Based on the still-pic I archived in the previous thread, here's what I think happened on I-16 that particular morning: A semi tractor-trailer "jaked" as a slow-down developed right in front of him. He stuck a vehicle at low-speed differential, causing light damage to his grill and severe read-end damage to the other, which was then driven into another vehicle in front of it.

At the moment the semi's brake-lights lit up, a flat-bed truck coming up behind it in the same lane at a high rate of speed saw he had a clear lane adjacent, and swung out to pass while maintaining speed or accelerating. One of the accordioned vehicles (a van or SUV) pops out of line right in front of him, and he plows into it full-tilt at the same moment he muscle-memories the middle peddle. Coincident with the moment of impact, the flat-bed's load of steel breaks restraints and slams into the front of the bed (and a loud BOOM is heard a mile away), and gallops onto the road. The vehicle hit by the flat-bed is torn in half, with its engine block sent sailing. The fire begins, with at least two of the vehicles (the flat-bed and the smaller car) burning. The flat-bed's cab is either half-crushed by its own load, and/or wilts in the fire.

So, two trucks and two non-trucks equal a bad day at the office for everyone involved. We're not told which vehicle was Deal's, but we can assume it's either the small car or the torn-in-half SUV/van. (So far, there aren't details of any other injuries.)

Blogger Bezzle December 07, 2020 1:06 AM  

@79. Aeroschmidt December 06, 2020 10:07 PM
My wife was on the parkway near 16 and can confirm there was an explosion.

If she didn't see an "explosion", and isn't on a forensic team collecting nitrate residues, then she isn't "confirming" explosions. A loud noise may have been caused by an explosion, or may be the result of one of any number of things that are not explosions. (Ever live near a train-yard? A pusher loco gooses an empty hopper an extra mph faster than it should, and when it slam-couples into the stack, it'll sound like a stick of dynamite going off. It'll happen so many times a day that your subconscious eventually tunes them out.) Conversely, a subsonic "explosion" (such as a deflagrating fuel-cloud from a burst tank) may not be particularly noisy, sounding more like a "whump" than a "boom".


@81. map December 07, 2020 12:25 AM
Question is, how did the kid lose control of the car...

Are you seriously asking me, with a straight face, how a 20yo male gets in a car accident? (Be that as it may, nobody anywhere has claimed he "lost control of" his car.)

...and get hit by a truck in the first place?

See @82. That's my forensic impression, based on the appearance of the vehicles in photos. Deal was trapped in a slow-down, and became part of an accordion pile-up. One or more of these vehicles then spilled into the adjacent passing-lane, and was creamed again by the flat-bed steel-hauler.

Blogger Punkindrublik December 07, 2020 1:43 AM  

I've been through some youthful, shade-tree mechanic incidents involving; carburetor replacements with connected battery terminals that resulted in kinked hair and lingering prom picture "interrogations."

We learned that cold beer is good, gas is flammable, and Pedoweird embellishes.

FWIW

Blogger Patrick McNally December 07, 2020 3:41 AM  

I lack the technical competence to decide if this was an assassination or just an accident, but it's obvious that there would be conspiracy theories raging all over the media if this same incident had occurred in other cases. Imagine if the boyfriend of the daughter of a lawyer who was involved with the prosecution of police in the George Floyd case had caught fire like this. There would be loads of speculations that "white supremacists" were attempting to protect "racist cops" by intimidating the poor "anti-racist" lawyers. Shows like The View would give free publicity to such ideas. Nothing like that is going to be uttered by the media over this case. Whether or not it really should be is a bit beyond my technical competence/

Blogger Akulkis December 07, 2020 6:21 AM  

"Martin Sandoval was a corrupt Democrat state senator in Illinois (but I repeat myself). He was busted in 2019 for taking over a quarter of a million dollars in bribes,"

Former Detroit city councilwoman, Monica Conyers (D), now widow of Rep. John Conyers (D), is sitting in fed lockup for 10+ years for bribery relating to federal contracts. This female's concept of honor us so low that she actually sold herself for as little as $500 .. multiple times! That's like the political transvestite crack-whore back-alley bj prices.

Blogger Akulkis December 07, 2020 6:43 AM  

The IJN only taught damage control as an MOS, not as common task for all sailors. Worst, their selection system put the lowest performers into the damage control MOS. Lower test scores than even the cooks.

Blogger John in Indy December 07, 2020 1:56 PM  

There is a video clip online (before emergencyvservices arrival) which shows major flames front and rear, and the passenger compartment mostly missing.
Just an accident? I don't think so. Timing, target, effect on Kemp, etc.
John in Indy

Blogger John in Indy December 07, 2020 1:59 PM  

There is a video clip online (before emergencyvservices arrival) which shows major flames front and rear, and the passenger compartment mostly missing.
Just an accident? I don't think so. Timing, target, effect on Kemp, etc.
John in Indy

Blogger Didas Kalos December 07, 2020 10:05 PM  

It Takes A Revolution. Larry Clayman and Jerome Corsi. The deep state is truly deep and very swampy. https://www.freedomwatchusa.org/dr-corsi-special-broadcast-is-a-revolution-inevitable

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