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Sunday, December 20, 2020

The nurse is dead, allegedly

 Anonymous Conservative provides evidence that that poor nurse who fainted on camera after receiving the Covid "vaccine" actually died from a reaction to it.

Remember that nurse who they trotted out in front of the cameras after she got the vaccine, she got light headed, keeled over right on camera, and then the camera cut out as doctors crammed around her lifeless body? Official local news media reported social media posts turned up which seemed to indicate she had died, but the family didn’t want anybody talking about it because they were threatened. 4Chan began to look into it, and based off death records, they think her body was shipped back to her hometown to be quietly put on the death records there. /pol has noted, her friends and family plus nurses are ignoring all the Instagram comments asking if she’s okay, she usually posts every 2-3 days and it’s been like a week since she posted on Instagram, there was a post up on the hospital page for FB saying she was feeling better and now they took it down, someone made a new channel to pretend she’s alive while leaving her old channel alone, and a friend posted a picture of the two of them together, but /pol noticed the picture was part of a set from a while back, and not recent.

First, /pol/ is always right. Second, the death notice is real, based on the county records.

Tiffany Pontes Dover

Age: 30

Location: Higdon, AL

Death Report: Done

Data Source: De Kalb County Death Records 

Third, I have personally witnessed a vaccine reaction that caused a child to immediately slump unconscious and heard the administering doctor say "oh, shit!" in obvious alarm. You will never, ever, convince me that vaccines are entirely safe; they are not and they will never be. FFS, even peanuts and eggs and penicillin are not entirely safe for everyone, so anyone who claims that vaccines are is lying.

Only an idiot or someone over the age of 70 will even consider taking one of these vaccines.

Note that this wouldn't be the first time that people were literally dropping dead after being injected with a vaccine:

I heard that seven men dropped dead in a doctor’s office after being vaccinated. This was in an army camp, so I wrote to the Government for verification. They sent me the report of U.S. Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson. The report not only verified the report of the seven who dropped dead from the vaccines, but it stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of the yellow fever vaccine during only 6 months of the war.

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183 Comments:

Blogger SonyAD December 20, 2020 7:32 AM  

I keep trying to redpill dumb liberal brainwashed acquaintances and friends and keep failing miserably. I guess experience is the best teacher, if you can survive her lessons.

Blogger VFM #7634 December 20, 2020 7:36 AM  

Only an idiot or someone over the age of 70 will even consider taking one of these vaccines.

"Idiot" would definitely apply to all covidphobes out there. And since they're almost entirely Biden voters, that's fine with me. Darwin in action.

Blogger SonyAD December 20, 2020 7:38 AM  

Tinfoil hat speculation time: What if the vaccine contains a biological weapon which only kills people with certain genetic markers, whom have been slated for extermination for some reason? For example, people with O Rh negative blood. And is more or less harmless to anyone else. Maybe even being an actual valid vaccine for what's essentially a strain of the seasonal flu?

Blogger Curlytop December 20, 2020 7:43 AM  

Truly tragic. This Covid vax con will be an eye opener for many. On top of this nurse from Chattanooga, what are the odds 2-3 nurses from the SAME hospital, same day in Alaska have severe reactions(one an anaphylaxis reaction), if this vax is "relatively safe."

My normally pro vax Boomer inlaws in the medical field are expressing skepticism over any of the 3 Covid Vax. However, my Millennial SIL, who is a nurse is sounding like she's going to take it even though she sounds like she has doubts.

Blogger B December 20, 2020 7:44 AM  

If this is indeed true, then it is a terrible tragedy. She was only 30 years old! If it was my daughter, I wouldn't hide her death, apparently caused by the vaccination, because if someone else's son or daughter later died, it would be my fault for not sounding the alarm.

Then again, if my sounding the alarm caused someone else to not take the vaccine, and that someone else died of COVID because s/he was not protected by the vaccine, am I at fault for the death?

You ethicists out there, comment.

Blogger mmrse December 20, 2020 7:47 AM  

Who's up for a game of Chinese roulette?

Blogger Yossarian December 20, 2020 7:49 AM  

I read the /pol/ thread. They found someone with the same name aged 30, along with another but aged 42. Not really conclusive of anything.

However, they've been spamming her Facebook account as well as the accounts of her close relatives. Nobody has said anything which is probably the most solid evidence so far that something's up.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338490171801661441

But trust the plan, I guess.

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 20, 2020 7:50 AM  

May she rest in peace. Hoping that her death may serve a higher purpose, i.e. the unveiling of the truth.

Blogger Unknownsailor December 20, 2020 7:53 AM  

Carl Denninger reports that effective treatments for the virus are being suppressed so that the emergency clearance for these vaccines are allowed. If there is an effective treatment, no emergency clearance.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240947

"I am now getting multiple reports from the field that doctors are being barred by their "medical groups" for which they work from prescribing Ivermectin off-label.

Let me remind you that the law permits any physician to prescribe anything off label if, in their professional opinion it is safe and might work; that is, the balance of benefits and harms is positive for a patient who gives informed consent. In fact about one prescription in five in the United States is written "off-label."

Every one of these "medical groups" needs to be named and then charged with racketeering and mass-manslaughter.

150,000 counts of manslaughter.

This is federal and I want trials and the death penalty for every one of them. 150,000 dead is fifty Pearl Harbors or 9/11s.

We have known since the summer that Ivermectin is effective to interrupt disease progression for Covid-19. We've known since early fall that it is effective to stop transmission of Covid-19."

India sells a kit with vitamin D-3, Ivermectin, and a couple of other items as a treatment for COVID.

Other countries not kowtowing to the Narrative™ are effectively reducing their deaths with treatments like this, whereas here in the US doctors risk their license if they do.

I never get the seasonal flu shot, it always makes me sick. There is no way in fscking hell I'm going to get that untested-for-long-term-effects vaccine.

Blogger Robert Browning December 20, 2020 8:00 AM  

The Irish Mick, the Hanman said she is fine and she gets dizzy from the sight of blood. I encourage all Irish to take their vaccination, it is their patriotic duty.

Blogger ÆtherCzar December 20, 2020 8:00 AM  

The situation is certainly suspicious, but as was pointed out by a commenter on Social Galactic when I shared the link, that death record site isn't terribly reliable. Here for instance, is a death record for Vox Day in Minnesota.

Blogger RedJack December 20, 2020 8:02 AM  

Many moons ago, we vaccinated hundreds of farm animals every few weeks (That SUCKED). But we would loose a few every cycle. They would get the shot, and collapse.

I am not sure this nurse died, but I would not be surprised if she did. This is not a vaccine in any normal way, but a RNA gene therapy.

Of course, you will have to take the vaccine to work, go to the store, or do anything soon. Just ask our dear leader JoKaHaris!

While as a history fan I do not like the Rubicon option because of the instability it breeds, I am confident it is better than the alternative.

Blogger Lamarck Leland December 20, 2020 8:02 AM  

I've seem it too. A healthy 5 years old child in my family took, I think, 3 vaccines in a single morning, about 30 min to 1 hour later she collapsed, her pupils dilated and her body became pale and cold.

While her parents were panicking around the house, I kissed her hand and prayed to God to save her and only then she started getting better, but she was as cold as a dead body before.

Of course the only thing the doctors did was assure the parents that vaccines don't do this, vaccines are always safe and have no side effects... and the parents obediently believed it. But even 5 years after the child has fainting spells for no reason.

I'm not anti-vaccine per se, I just don't think it's smart to overdose or serve as guinea pigs for experimental treatments.

Blogger Shane Bradman December 20, 2020 8:03 AM  

There are more measles-vaccine related deaths than measles related deaths. It's statistically proven that vaccines do not eradicate anything, and that the eradication occurs several years before the vaccine is created because hygiene and clean water is far more significant. For something like the china virus, which many people already have immunity to, the vaccine is definitely worse than actually getting the virus. Even if it passed all the strict standards that medicine is held to, it wouldn't be worth it. The state it's in right now, untested and unapproved, it is deadly.

Blogger TheLoneVoiceOfReason December 20, 2020 8:04 AM  

1. /pol is RARELY wrong. Andrew Anglin was forced to leave /pol for 9 months this year because it misled him into thinking CV-19 was airborn AIDS.
2. The chemical cocktail people are taking is NOT a vaccine. It contains no viruses and uses mRNA to alter your genetics in order to eliminate the symptoms of CV-19. Authorities claim you can still carry and transmit SARS-COV2 post-injection... so eternal masks/lockdowns will be mandated (Dollar Vigilante covered this).

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot December 20, 2020 8:04 AM  

@5 - Who says the vaccine is effective? It's a false dilemma.


if this vax is "relatively safe

What death rate would count as "relatively"? Less than corona-chan herself? That's a a damn low bar.


they're almost entirely Biden voters

Weird how the crowd that fancies itself the most "open-minded" and "tolerant" is invariably most strident in calling for conformity to petty authority. A real puzzler, that one.

Blogger OVB December 20, 2020 8:07 AM  

Obviously not. You would have simply reported the truth, and others would weigh the information they had and made their own decision with it. Considering how little we know about the vaccine at this point, I’d say getting the truth out there is paramount.

Blogger Steghorn21 December 20, 2020 8:10 AM  

Never mind. Her family can sue Big Pharma! Oh, wait...
BTW, not sure how true this is, but the Nuremburg Code and 2005 Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights appear to give some protection to the individual against compulsory vaccines.

Blogger JD Curtis December 20, 2020 8:10 AM  

Here's the only question I have.

Why does the death certificate mention AL when she worked in Chattanooga?

Blogger Q December 20, 2020 8:10 AM  

I found the 4chan post and followed the death report link. That site will display a "death report" for any name you put in. I had a death report for Darth Vader. That site wants you to buy their service and will make it look like there is a death record for the person you searched for.
Not saying she's still alive, but that piece of evidence is faulty.

Blogger Ora Tevzre December 20, 2020 8:11 AM  

Covidamide. You heard it here first.

Blogger Rick December 20, 2020 8:13 AM  

I thought it may have been stage fright/anxiety attack. That used to happen to an aunt in crowds. She would get tunnel vision and if not caught by her husband she would pass out. I can imagine that the first time someone experiences an anxiety attack they could spiral to collapse not knowing what was happening to them.
This apparent collapse recalls the videos “sneaked” out of China in the beginning of the plague of people collapsing in the street, which never happened here.
I won’t take the vax. But this could be psyop. The always peculiar thing was this was caught on camera.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer December 20, 2020 8:16 AM  

My hunch is that between this story and the Robert's "Screaming" story is that the good guys are learning, quickly, how to play ball.

Blogger 1st Missouri Cavalry December 20, 2020 8:18 AM  

I don't know who said this first, but hat tip: "I see the vaccine as an IQ test: Pass or fail".

I said that to a liberal acquaintance and he didn't understand. Then he said I should 'trust the science' and take the shot. I said I would rather trust my own immune system, since I had been doing that since March, with no masks, or excess hand washing, avoidance of crowds etc,
and haven't gotten COVID or any other illness.

And we don't see grocery store employees dropping like flies from this "highly contagious and deadly disease". Or courthouse workers, auto parts store workers, employees at Lowes, etc. If there was a real pandemic going on, we'd damned sure know it. The fact that bodies aren't piling up is key fact NUMERO UNO. In fact the death rate here is about the same as it is any other year.

Indeed the vaccine is an IQ test and a 'faith in government' test. A high pass filter for humanity. The lower frequency humans are going to be culled one way or another.

Since I have absolutely no faith in the American government, but I do have faith in our Heavenly Father and Lord and Savior, I am not taking it. No matter what.

If it means I go down in a pile of hot brass, so be it.

Deus Vult!

Blogger Rocklea Marina December 20, 2020 8:19 AM  

Dominion voting machines are a blackbox to the end user. Being manufactured they are eminently decipherable. People are not. There will always be a knowledge gap that even good intentions cannot close.

Clean water, caloric intake, hygiene and more importantly, readily available hygiene, have done more to reduce communicable diseases than any imagined or real gain from vaccines.

Vaccines are Safe and Effective is a dogma that has run its course and must be put in the same category as blood letting for the humours.

It could be utilized as a logistical panacea for the budding xenocidal maniac, looking for an effective way to reduce world population through stealth generational sterilization. This is not a new concept for scifi fans. One day it could be perfectly normal for conception to be done at the fertility clinic, with the appropriate approval of course.

People often say there are too many people in the world. It is getting harder and harder to not punch them in face. No one, least of all philanthropic billionaires and geniuses alike, has the right to contemplate much less implement their favoured plans for the too many people problem. Providence is not their domain.

Blogger Homesteader December 20, 2020 8:20 AM  

"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Blogger Jake December 20, 2020 8:21 AM  

So is the video of her talking with reporters after the incident fake? WhennI first saw the video I did some looking and found a post faint interview.

Blogger Baron December 20, 2020 8:22 AM  

>FFS, even peanuts and eggs and penicillin are not entirely safe for everyone

It's funny you should mention those food allergies because for example peanut allergies, especially of the deadly kind, were almost unheard of before the large scale vaccination schedules. There is a 9 hour deposition of Stanley Plotkin (a vaccine developer, by no means an anti-vax guy) and he basically says they do not use pig based viral stock because the adjuvant could sensitize you to pork. Could a number of our modern chronic illnesses not just be diet or environmentally caused, but medically induced? It's all very obvious but those devout to the Church of Medicine only trust the men of the labcoat.

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 20, 2020 8:24 AM  

The first polio vaccine caused polio in 40,000 kids and killed 10, because one of the batches of poliovirus hadn't been fully inactivated by the manufacturer. That's not a conspiracy theory; it's in the history books and is mentioned on Wikipedia.

It's almost like there's a good reason for the long testing periods normally on these things.

Blogger Michael the White Suburbanite December 20, 2020 8:25 AM  

#5, state the facts, let them decide

Blogger Cinqueports December 20, 2020 8:27 AM  

I haven't had a flu shot since leaving the armed forces (where it was mandatory but after the first two years I managed to evade taking it). Like a lot of people I get severe flu symptoms from the shots (an allergic reaction). If this vaccine can kill a healthy young woman like this, it can kill a healthy old man like me. Covid can kill, but it doesn't kill within minutes.
Note that after this lady collapsed the CDC/MSM was quick to announce that fainting after a vaccination was "normal."
I'll let the sheeple "follow the science."

Blogger [Redacted] December 20, 2020 8:28 AM  

@SonyAD Biological weapons aimed at people with certain genetic markers is a plot point in Metal Gear Solid, and was put in action via a vaccine in the opening cutscene. See "FOXDIE".

Some additional tinfoil speculation: Some of the vaccines deployed are going to be a placebo. This is because it is in two stages, and it will allow people to play with the safety statistics and target specific demographics with a slight-of-hand.

Please forgive an aside that I need to get out of my system: Doctors lost credibility when they stopped using head mirrors and swearing an oath to the Cult of Apollo. There was something priest-like and occultist about wearing a sun disc on your head that would be pulled down and cover one eye.

Blogger Dan in Georgia December 20, 2020 8:35 AM  

Normies won't believe it if it isn't blessed by the MSM, and most nurses will still not believe it.

At some point, the CCP's propaganda arm is going to have to be mass-shipped to Gitmo, along with most of the residents of DC, when evidence of their treason (and worse) becomes impossible to ignore because the Emergency Broadcast/Alert System is the only source of information.

I'm starting to look forward to the rest of the 2020s.

Blogger One of Us December 20, 2020 8:35 AM  

Question: How does covid vaccine failure play out for the Trump administration? Will he be blamed for all the deaths/side effects - or will the media cover it up so that people keep taking a harmful vaccine?

Anonymous Anonymous December 20, 2020 8:39 AM  

4Chan thread has link to a video of her from Friday explaining what happened, so seems like it's not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOH7XLHl2mo&t=3s

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2020 8:45 AM  

If this vaccine is even close to being safe, what are the odds that the one person who gets an allergic reaction is also the one person they put in front of a camera? Not likely. Not hardly. Dead or alive, they are pushing kind of hard to get an unsafe vaccine into the market. What, they think people will just ignore stuff like this? Politics on every side of this disease.

A well funded older guy doctor where I live has very recently quit medicine. The reason? Fed up with the way they run medicine now.

Blogger Leo Littlebook ID:16216229492837658552 December 20, 2020 8:47 AM  

Cold comfort that she'll never sniffle again.

I hope she still wears a mask while she social isolates in her coffin.

What's a few dozen quality-adjusted years compared to the listed cause of death of a nursing home Boomer?

Blogger Barou December 20, 2020 8:53 AM  

The hospital reposted a video of her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOH7XLHl2mo&ab_channel=WRCBChattanooga

Is this fake?

Blogger Silly but True December 20, 2020 9:05 AM  

I’m sure that it’s great consolation to Dover and her loved ones that the vaccine is perfectly safe and didn’t kill her, but it was just allergic reaction?

Blogger rotekz December 20, 2020 9:06 AM  

The video of her explaining may have been posted Friday, but it could have been filmed much earlier. Is there any proof of the date of filming?

Blogger arsenic74.9 December 20, 2020 9:07 AM  

An acquaintance of mine, her ex-husband works at a toll manufacturer for vaccines. He told her to, under no circumstances to give their kids the covud vaccine

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 20, 2020 9:07 AM  

If the video is authentic one can argue she might have survived had she not lied

Blogger urthshu December 20, 2020 9:13 AM  

---anaphylaxis. But that was in another county. And besides, the wench is dead.

Blogger Kevin December 20, 2020 9:17 AM  

I'll bet Vice President Pence was injected with saline.

Blogger Steve Samson December 20, 2020 9:20 AM  

"So is the video of her talking with reporters after the incident fake?"

If true, doesn't mean she's alive NOW.

Blogger Brett baker December 20, 2020 9:20 AM  

To both you and RedJack, it says on animal modified-live vaccines Do Not Give More Than Two (2)different modified-live vaccines per treatment. There's a chance the animal might die.

Blogger urthshu December 20, 2020 9:22 AM  

I think it's obvious they rapid tested the vaccine candidates on the mink populations BTW.

Blogger Matrick December 20, 2020 9:22 AM  

Can anyone point me towards the best sources of information on the vaccine and the potential risks? I'm not asking people to do research for me, but it's not exactly easy to find things in these days of censorship.

A doctor friend of mine has become insufferable on this subject. Lots of appeals to authority and to "trust the science". He even utter the phrase "go science!" after pointing out that he's been a doctor for thirty years and that everybody should get the shot.

Blogger Brett baker December 20, 2020 9:24 AM  

In The Good Old Days, people with food allergies tended to become part of childhood mortality statistics.

Blogger Rocklea Marina December 20, 2020 9:25 AM  

Same mannerisms, same speech patterns, same voice. I am glad she is still alive. It doesn't change anything. Some people will still have immediate adverse reactions up to and including death, an unknown, possibly large, number of people will have adverse effects that may, or most likely may not, be attributed to this vaccine.

Blogger Brett baker December 20, 2020 9:25 AM  

"Trump caused people to die from a perfectly safe vaccination!"

Blogger Sicilian Switchblade December 20, 2020 9:32 AM  

White lab coats are the newest holy vestments of globohomo's useful idiots. To even question their wisdom or intent is viewed as blasphemy. Any body who willingly lines up to be injected with this covid "vaccine" deserves whatever the hell they get. At this point it will be willful ignorance, not a lack of available knowledge that will get somebody injured or killed from this crap

Blogger Avalanche December 20, 2020 9:33 AM  

@17 "You would have simply reported the truth, and others would weigh the information they had and made their own decision with it."

Hence the tight and getting tighter lockdowns! If you cannot get together with lots of people, you cannot discuss in large groups with varied experiences what might be going on. Have a stranglehold on the media -- and the ever-increasing bans and censoring online -- and most people CANNOT get any inkling of options and alternatives, much less of the possible and problem truth!

Blogger The Last Roman December 20, 2020 9:38 AM  

"A wise man learns from the deaths of others." Hopefully this poor woman's demise will serve as a warning to the normies.

Blogger tuberman December 20, 2020 9:39 AM  

Who cares if this report of her death is true or not... It's Good Rhetoric. Got it. Do. Not. Take. It.

The vaccine is meaningless, as the true death rate from Covid among most of the population is incredibly small. The vaccine, even if it works, would only make 1/100 of 1% difference. The odds of the vaccine hurting or killing more people than it helps are 100%.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 20, 2020 9:45 AM  

@9 Unknownsailor:

Every one of these "medical groups" needs to be named and then charged with racketeering and mass-manslaughter.

For some inexplicable reason, the AMA has backed off their ORANGE MAN BAD policy towards HCQ, but you're not likely to learn about this development unless you read dissident news sites like Unz.com. That said, there's a big difference between treatment and prevention.

@12 RedJack:

This is not a vaccine in any normal way, but a RNA gene therapy.

You can't do gene therapy unless you include a couple of enzymes to go from mRNA to DNA, and then integrate the latter into a cell's DNA, like HIV. What these vaccines do is a very limited and precise simulation of the virus, and which gets the cells killed anyway by the immune system, stop it at the source.

@13 Lamarck Leland:

I've seem it too. A healthy 5 years old child in my family took, I think, 3 vaccines in a single morning, about 30 min to 1 hour later she collapsed [and almost died].

Of course the only thing the doctors did was assure the parents that vaccines don't do this, vaccines are always safe and have no side effects...


They're liars and should have been fired by the parents. Any time you give a vaccine or other drug to tens of millions of people, some will be maimed or killed. That's just in the cards given our wildly varying immune systems, see lethal food allergies, and is one reason to set up "vaccine courts" if a country decides the overall risk/benefit calculation favors giving vaccines and has a dysfunctional civil legal system like our's.

But also note the "3 vaccines in a single morning," as VD has noted before, this policy is very suspicious. I note it's for the convenience of those giving them, and further, cuts costs. If you follow a "vary from the natural as little as possible," it's insanely risky on its face, they should be done one at a time with time for recovery, as would ideally happen in a population without access to vaccines.

@15 TheLoneVoiceOfReason:

2. The chemical cocktail people are taking is NOT a vaccine. It contains no viruses and uses mRNA to alter your genetics in order to eliminate the symptoms of CV-19. Authorities claim you can still carry and transmit SARS-COV2 post-injection...

All lies, except for "contains no viruses," which is hopefully a feature, not a bug. See above text replying to Red Jack for "alter your genetics", and Citation Needed for your last sentence fragment quoted, we have no proof they're "sterilizing" vaccines, as in, you will never get a viable virus from this person if the vaccine works for them, but based on serological (blood) data have every expectation they are.

@29 Damelon Brinn:

The first polio vaccine caused polio in 40,000 kids and killed 10, because one of the batches of poliovirus hadn't been fully inactivated by the manufacturer. That's not a conspiracy theory; it's in the history books and is mentioned on Wikipedia.

It's almost like there's a good reason for the long testing periods normally on these things.


No amount of clinical trial testing will save you from a manufacturing error post-licensure.

@43 urthshu

---anaphylaxis. But that was in another county. And besides, the wench is dead.

Not her, officially, but twice in the U.K., and now twice in Alaska so far. The former cases already were subject to such, carried epipens with them, no hard information I've seen yet on the Alaskan cases.

Blogger Akulkis December 20, 2020 9:50 AM  

>>
Weird how the crowd that fancies itself the most "open-minded" and "tolerant" is invariably most strident in calling for conformity to petty authority. A real puzzler, that one.

What they mean is that they are "open minded" and "tolerant" of anything which degrades Christianity, or which perpetuates, spreads, or increases sexual perversity and/or substance abuse.

Blogger Johnny December 20, 2020 9:50 AM  

Just like the current voter fraud, the evidence is anecdotal but compelling owing to multiple sources that they have had a workable cure for the covid-19 disease since March. Take one of several malaria medications early in the disease cycle along with a zinc supplement and the disease is stopped in its tracks. Maybe three days for a cure and that is even for people who are older or not in good health. Late delivery or without the zinc and it is ineffective. The real purpose of the FDA is to keep cheap cures off the market.

And when comes to vile motives, why did Cuomo force nursing homes to take in diseased people, thus exposing the most vulnerable portion of the population to catch the disease? The New York body count was way high early on. So, was it stupidity or venality, a desire for a high body count to spread fear?

Blogger One Deplorable DT December 20, 2020 9:52 AM  

@36 - If this vaccine is even close to being safe, what are the odds that the one person who gets an allergic reaction is also the one person they put in front of a camera?

Nothing to see here! She's just someone who faints at the sight of needles and blood. Who just happened to go into nursing. And who they just happened to pick for this news conference.

Wait...what are the odds on that???

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 20, 2020 9:52 AM  

Almost 20 years of not being able to eat a normal meal when the military shot me up with all kinds of crap.

Raw milk from grass fed cows purchased in the hinterlands of Washington was finally what saved me.
Raw milk that people risk getting raided by armed government over. They don't want people having that stuff.

Blogger Akulkis December 20, 2020 10:00 AM  

>> I thought it may have been stage fright/anxiety attack. That used to happen to an aunt in crowds. She would get tunnel vision and if not caught by her husband she would pass out. I can imagine that the first time someone experiences an anxiety attack they could spiral to collapse not knowing what was happening to them

She was an RN (Registered Nurse) which requires not merely passing the nursing boards, BUT ALSO a Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree. You can't get Bachelor's degree, not even in the South, without having to pass at least one communications course as a freshman, in which 2~3 spoken presentations are required, and usually several more presentations in classes which are part of the core curriculum.

So I doubt it was due to stage fright or anxiety attack -- she would have already learned of her susceptibility in such situations in her college years, and when chosen to address the public, would have said, "you don't want me for this -- I'll probably pass out and make it look like the vaccine is dangerous. Pick someone else."

Blogger Damelon Brinn December 20, 2020 10:13 AM  

The death notice could have been planted to discredit the whole investigation. That happens a lot on /pol/ when they seem to be on the scent of something. But she doesn't have to be dead to be a problem for the narrative. She could be hospitalized, or have palsy or something that wouldn't look good on camera. She could be under wraps because she's unhappy about whatever reaction she had and they don't want her talking about it. Anything less than her skipping around with a healthy glow would be a problem.

Blogger Ingemar December 20, 2020 10:13 AM  

I totally lost any shred of respect I had for xkcd this year. He's been all-in on every tenet of VirusRegime and is now shilling hard for the vaccine. Assuming the result that you want is as unscientific as it gets.

https://xkcd.com/2400/

Blogger bw December 20, 2020 10:25 AM  

I had read Ft Riley KS for the "Spanish Flu" 1918 ...

if no one else ^^^ has mentioned

Blogger Jeff aka Orville December 20, 2020 10:38 AM  

@38 I saw that too the day the collapse vid came out. I'm largely anti-vacc, but I'm putting this one in the "maybe she died" column. However, if the hospital doesn't trot her out soon, then I'll move her to the "probably dead" column.

Vagal response is real. When I was younger I used to pass out if lifted weights without first warming up. Slow motion tunnel vision then I'm waking up on the floor.

Blogger Bezzle December 20, 2020 10:41 AM  

@23. Troy Lee Messer December 20, 2020 8:16 AM
My hunch is that between this story and the Robert's "Screaming" story is that the good guys are learning, quickly, how to play ball.

That the feinting-nurse incident might have been staged psyops occurred to me, too, but I'm at a loss to see how it helps Trump. This was a "warp speed" vaccine, no?

The most logical explanation for this being psyops (of the good guy sort that the press won't cover) is it being a pretext for TGE executive-ordering legal OTC HCQ/zinc remedies.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 10:49 AM  

Kevin wrote:I'll bet Vice President Pence was injected with saline.
He may get, or may have already gotten, a real injection. He's a normie boomer cuck, after all. But it would be crazy to make a made-for-TV event like him getting his shot with a real vaccine which might cause a real reaction, like the fainting nurse got.

Pence may have gotten a real vaccination, but what we saw on TV was very probably a re-enactment with saline.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 10:50 AM  

urthshu wrote:I think it's obvious they rapid tested the vaccine candidates on the mink populations BTW.
What is this, urthshu?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 10:52 AM  

Bezzle wrote:The most logical explanation for this being psyops (of the good guy sort that the press won't cover) is it being a pretext for TGE executive-ordering legal OTC HCQ/zinc remedies.
Maybe. You can already get Ivermectin OTC, and I'd advise you to stock up now, in case the pony Santa brings you has worms.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 20, 2020 10:56 AM  

@58 Johnny:

And when comes to vile motives, why did Cuomo force nursing homes to take in diseased people, thus exposing the most vulnerable portion of the population to catch the disease? The New York body count was way high early on. So, was it stupidity or venality, a desire for a high body count to spread fear?

In the preceeding fall, his budget got unexpectedly busted by $6 billion, 2/3rds of which was Medicaid. Which is the last resort payer for indigent nursing home residents, obviously more likely the older they are (their Social Security payments minus something like $66 per week or month also provide money, but not hardly enough). Don't have budget numbers for the other states that did this like New Jersey, which achieved a higher death rate per capita, and Pennsylvania, of course also run at the executive level by Democrats. "Socalism Kills."

Blogger nbfdmd December 20, 2020 11:01 AM  

rotekz wrote:The video of her explaining may have been posted Friday, but it could have been filmed much earlier. Is there any proof of the date of filming?

Ok this is where you lose me and make everyone here look stupid. So your hypothesis is that, in anticipation of this nurse DYING on national television, they pre-filmed her explaining why she dropped to the floor?

If they had the foresight to know she would drop dead, they wouldn't have in in front of the camera in the first place.

Stop being a fucktard.

Blogger Reziac December 20, 2020 11:02 AM  

The "records search" site is bogus. I searched for MYSELF and got a "record" spit up that is definitely me (right locations and age) and lo and behold, "Your Death Records Report for MyFirstName MyLastName is Ready! Your search was SUCCESSFUL. All you need to do is activate your account to unlock and view your report instantly." And more importantly, you pay a few bucks, tho not quite enough to pixx off the lawyers. (There are a LOT of these sites, all peeling money out of the curious.)

Also, here she is speaking about it from beyond the grave. I had a buddy in high school who had the same problem, and ironically wanted to be a surgeon. It's basically a human fainting goat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOH7XLHl2mo

Blogger Piqua Bear December 20, 2020 11:02 AM  

If the germ theory of disease were correct, no one would be alive to believe it. - B. J. Palmer

Blogger Rick December 20, 2020 11:20 AM  

Maybe. But with phobias, you’d be surprised how crafty it can make you for finding ways out of doing The Worst Thing Ever.
But with that said, it was just how she looked to me. There were no other signs, like rapid blushing, red ears. But I’m leaning toward some kind of allergic reaction too. Possibly combined with phobia.

Blogger Rick December 20, 2020 11:24 AM  

It matters if I’m being manipulated. For good or bad, I want to know why.

Blogger Brick Hardslab December 20, 2020 11:25 AM  

This combined with the officials getting fake shots cap still on, plunger fully depressed before the shots, looks really bad. Is it really as bad as it looks? Who knows.

We were watching the last Omen movie last night. After arranging for a near drowning, the first thing the antichrist does is sodomize the woman. We both thought of this situation

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 20, 2020 11:39 AM  

in the video supposedly proving that everything was okay with her her pupils were widened like after an adrenaline injection. Maybe she ODed on adrenaline in the end.

Blogger Dos Voltz December 20, 2020 11:41 AM  

Ominous, I can't find Ivermectin OTC anywhere. All links I find say need a prescription. Point me in right direction?

Blogger Jack Ward December 20, 2020 11:42 AM  

Perhaps Trump's grand strategy is to re-ignite within the body politic of the USA a zest for revolt where revolt is called for. This the 'watering of the tree of liberty' mentioned by the founders. Ben Franklin famously said, 'A republic, if you can keep it'
Perhaps this our real test. To see if we deserve to have a republic and be a free people.
Our freedoms have been under assault from almost day one of this grand experiment in the United
States. Peoples world wide are holding their breath right now, and praying we can fight the fight needed, stand on the firing line and do our duty. I have begun to suspect that President Trump will use military force only as a very last resort and at the very last minute, or beyond that last minute. He may be waiting, and building the tension hoping for enough of us to be strong enough to earn this republic. If so, then a harsh lesson, but one we seem to need right now. With God's help and Trump's resolve we may yet win the day.

Long Live the God Emperor!

Long Live the USA!

Blogger Tommy Hass December 20, 2020 11:46 AM  

I have parents over 60 with pre-existing conditions. Do I try to bulldoze them into not getting the shot? Also, a family member recently passed from Covid (he had diabetes) so Covid isnt exactly nothing.

Blogger Leahn Novash December 20, 2020 11:53 AM  

@15 /pol/ is always right. It's on your head to not to be an idiot and fall for shill threads.

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2020 12:00 PM  

It is reasonable to believe that this vaccine may be effective despite the fact that it does not meet certain requirements otherwise required by applicable federal law, and has not been approved or licensed by FDA.

Take your mRNA-RNA-DNA Vaccine people. Do it in the name of humanity and because emergency.

circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic

the known and potential benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine outweigh the known and potential risks of the vaccine, for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals

Based on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, it is reasonable to believe that Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine may be effective in preventing COVID-19, and that, when used under the conditions described in this authorization, the known and potential benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine when used to prevent COVID-19 outweigh its known and potential risks; and There is no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the emergency use of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine to prevent COVID-19.

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vial label and carton labels are clearly marked for “Emergency Use Authorization.”

I have concluded, pursuant to Section 564(d)(2) of the Act, that it is reasonable to believe

I have concluded, pursuant to Section 564(d)(3) of the Act, based on the totality of scientific evidence available to FDA, that it is reasonable to believe

Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‑19 Vaccine is authorized to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 16 years of age and older as described in the Scope of Authorization (Section II) under this EUA, despite the fact that it does not meet certain requirements otherwise required by applicable federal law

This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA


You can read the whole thing here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144412/download

If this doesn't instill confidence in you to take the vaccine, I don't know what will. And remember, we need to get that Corona-Cooties survival rate up from 99.7% to 99.9%.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 12:06 PM  

Bezzle wrote:That the feinting-nurse incident ...
Heh. Good one!

Blogger Gen. Kong December 20, 2020 12:11 PM  

This is a perfect example of why hopefully one of the very first targets in any declaration of martial law should be the gaslight media. Immediate arrest on charges of treason, criminal conspiracy, accessory to capital murder (think Cuomo et al and nursing homes), etc. - followed bey rapid military trials and executions where appropriate. Gaslight media needs to be shut down altogether. Far too many normies take their endless stream of lies as gospel - even now. They need to be completely destroyed and the earth on which they stood salted.

Blogger Doktor Jeep December 20, 2020 12:11 PM  

If the feinting nurse thing was a gayop, then it's a sign the media is not as confident about inauguration day as they pretend.

If Hillary was president and covid was a real killer there would be people dropping like flies and mention of it would be relegated to conspiracy theory.
If Biden becomes president and the covid vaccine turns out to be dangerous, you would have people dropping like flies and mention of it would be relegated to conspiracy theory.
Trump is the reason why a virus with a 99.7 percent survival rate got hyped into zombie apocalypse, now the media does not know if the vaccine is good or not, and hence are not sure if it's "Trump's killer vaccine" or Biden's "salve of salvation".

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 20, 2020 12:23 PM  

I'm starting to suspect the US isn't going to go through with the in progress 2nd tranche of 100 million doses from Pfizer/BioNTech: "Anaphylaxis Following m-RNA COVID-19 Vaccine Receipt."

OK, it's from the CDC, but sounds pretty unequivocal, the Brighton Collaboration case definitions 1 and 2 are the worst out of a total of three, 2 is:

• ≥1 major cardiovascular AND ≥1 major respiratory criterion OR
• ≥1 major cardiovascular OR respiratory criterion AND
• ≥1 minor criterion involving ≥1 different system (other than cardiovascular or respiratory systems) OR
• (≥1 major dermatologic) AND (≥1 minor cardiovascular AND/OR minor respiratory criterion)


Based on the numbers in the first link, this is a 1 in 45,000 cases phenomena, something iffy to find in a Phase III trial, the ones for COVID-19 vaccines are per Dr. "Things I Won't Work With" of normal size, I've observed a 30,000 minimum for FDA requirements, Pfizer/BioNTech did 43,000 total, so per the FDA staff briefing document, 21,768 got the the first dose of this vaccine.

Blogger Kingly Gift December 20, 2020 12:25 PM  

It will be revealing to see the covid-cult, who has been ignoring the statistical evidence of the relative mildness of this virus, do a complete u-turn and start to ignore the anecdotal evidence of the dangers of the vaccine and push the statistical argument of vaccine safety. You'll here things like "the vaccine only causes problems in 0.5% of people who get it. It's a small price to pay. Don't you understand statistics you science denying idiot?" This change in risk assessment will show that it's never been about saving lives but rather it's about demanding obedience to the false religion of modern Scientism.

As far as the mRNA technology goes, it COULD be an amazing medical tool. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean it should be rushed. There are many unintended problems that could result. Here are 3 potential problems:

1 - The vaccine delivers the mRNA to naive b-cells and other antigen presenting cells. When t-cells are eventually activated to stimulate naive b-cells to produce antibodies against the protein encoded by the vaccine mRNA, both the appropriate naive b-cells that make antibodies against the right protein, AND the naive b-cells that took in the vaccine are "turned on" and start pumping out antibodies. The "wrong" naive b-cells in this case will start to make antibodies against other random proteins, this could result in autoimmune problems.

2 - The mRNA vaccine gets into cells that happen to be co-infected with other mild RNA viruses. In the case of this vaccine in particular, the mRNA that encodes the spike protein gets incorporated into the genome of the other RNA virus, and you've just created a new potentially more deadly virus. The chances of this scenario happening are very small, but if your repeatedly inject everyone in the world (like they want to do), the chances become more likely. They are essentially turning the whole human population into one giant viral cell culture, and adding this sequence of mRNA and seeing if some new recombinate RNA virus can be made.

3 - After the mRNA from the vaccine is broken down in the cell, the pseudo-methyl uracil that is used in this engineered mRNA could be incorporated into other "natural" mRNA being built by the cell. The inclusion of this synthetic uracil into natural cellular mRNA might affect protein regulation and this could cause health problems. This problem would only happen if a lot of vaccine mRNA is repeatedly injected into people (which seems like what they want to do).

These are 3 possible problems don't even address the more rapid problems that seem to arise in cases like this nurse fainting (possibly dying?).

I've brain stormed 3 disastrous scenarios, and I'm a nobody. That people who've been working on this for years have already thought of all of these and many more. Going full steam ahead without addressing these possible problems is criminally reckless. The blatant disregard for safety by so many institutions shows that in high places there likely are nefarious motivations and plans involved.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to share the possible problems from this mRNA technology so we can sound the alarm if any of them come about. It's clear we cannot trust the institutions to be honest about these potential problems, so it's up to us to do it ourselves.

Blogger Tommy Hass December 20, 2020 12:29 PM  

Its almost like all the measures used against Covid were to avoid swamped ICUs with doctors being forced to engage in triage.

You realize that THIS is the REAL reason why people were pissing themselves over Covid, right?

Blogger kurt9 December 20, 2020 12:30 PM  

That the vaccine manufacturers have immunity from liability should tell you something about the safety of vaccines.

No liability, no mandates.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2020 12:33 PM  

"Vaccines are Safe and Effective is a dogma that has run its course and must be put in the same category as blood letting for the humours."

The very best case scenario for vaccines has always been that it's like doing a controlled burn ahead of a serious fire to cut it off. It still makes you sick and causes damage, but the damage is hoped to be less than would be caused otherwise. They've never, ever, ever been harmless.

That being said, these covid injections aren't vaccines by any stretch of the word.

Blogger cyrus83 December 20, 2020 12:40 PM  

What makes me suspicious is that since the manufacturers know this thing is dangerous, the last thing they'd want in their dog and pony show televised vaccinations is to actually use the vaccine rather than something harmless like saline solution.

Maybe they are that stupid and rolled the dice that nobody would be dying on camera in the space of 15 minutes, but there is also the possibility that was intended to be saline and was replaced with something else.

Blogger Akulkis December 20, 2020 12:57 PM  

>> IngemarDecember 20, 2020 10:13 AM
I totally lost any shred of respect I had for xkcd this year.

The author of that strip has ALWAYS been a hippy to the core. There's a reason he hangs out in academia when math PhD's typically make rediculously huge salaries in the private sector doing all sorts of analysis and modelling.

Blogger Anthea December 20, 2020 1:03 PM  

Not only are vaccines unsafe for humans, they're unsafe for our companion animals. There were studies done in Europe that showed one rabies vaccine was good for life. Based on that study, the AVMA was going to change the rabies requirement to once every 7 years. The AVMA sent a questionaire out to all licensed veterinarians in the United States and asked them how they felt about reducing these shots. 65% of the vets bitched that it would cut into their revenue, so the requirement wasn't changed.

Rabies laws is the United States are mandated by special interest groups and politicians. Not by scientists, not by doctors. So, depending on what state you live in, pet owners are forced by law to vaccinate their cats and dogs every 2 or 3 years.

Oftentimes, people and animals will catch the very disease they are being vaccinated against. Rabies is a disease that affects the brain and nervous system. A rabid animal will often display aggression or hallucinations. When I read in the newspapers about a family dog attacking and killing people, I always wonder "how many rabies vaccines did that dog get?" or "did that attack occur shortly after a rabies vaccine?"

Fortunately, there are concerned veterinarians who are trying to stop the over-vaccination of our pets. Dr. Ronald Scwartz, a veterinary immunologist, and Dr. Jean Dobbs, have set up a research foundation, The Rabies Challenge Fund, to try and prove to the AVMA that one rabies vaccine is good for life. Even if they succeed, they're still going to have to convince the law makers.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2020 1:10 PM  

"All lies, except for "contains no viruses," which is hopefully a feature, not a bug."

Voice is correct, you are the one in error.

It is a chemical cocktail, isn't a vaccine by any dictionary definition that existed prior to the attempted introductions of "cancer vaccines" and concomitant modification of many dictionaries to allow that use. It DOES alter your genetics (look up "genitive" to recall what "genetic" actually means, rather than the mutilated popsci meaning of it) in at least some cells --though perhaps not your germline, not that that would matter to a woman rendered infertile by it anyway-- and it is possible to carry and transmit covid even after having the "vaccine". Likely? Perhaps not, for about five minutes until the seasonal-flu-that-is-called-covid19 mutates again.

As for "no proof", nothing can be proven to someone who does not wish to believe it, they will simply raise their standards of proof. Yet evidence can be and has been provided that at least one of the injections might make women infertile. One of the neat things about the truth is that if you don't have it, it will merrily roll right on over your corpse regardless what you consider proven.

Lesson? Don't play at semantics if you aren't good at it, but even moreso if the only point of it is to nitpick a reasonably correct common understanding.

Anonymous Anonymous December 20, 2020 1:13 PM  

@65 reasonable response.

At the end of the day, this certainly didn't give them good PR. I will not be taking the Luciferase tattoo laden RNA "vaccine" no matter what.

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2020 1:16 PM  

"there would be people dropping like flies"

But there were people dropping like flies, in China. And bodies stacked on sidewalks. Mass incineration's. Containment hospitals springing up overnight. People kidnapped off the streets and from their homes by armed men in bio-suits. Etc. PsyOp.

Then Wuhan had mass parties.

Xi: Snicker.

https://images.markets.businessinsider.com/image/5c8a35cc01df722f0a5ccc72-1500/xi-jinping-toast.jpg

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2020 1:17 PM  

"So your hypothesis is that, in anticipation of this nurse DYING on national television, they pre-filmed her explaining why she dropped to the floor?"

How about something simpler, like filming her saying that the vaccine is perfectly safe before the fact, then posting it after the fact.

Blogger Akulkis December 20, 2020 1:29 PM  

>> You realize that THIS is the REAL reason why people were pissing themselves over Covid, right?

What part of "flatten the curve so the hospitals don't run out of beds" took you 39+ weeks to figure out. Cripes, dude, many women got pregnant when that was put out, and they've already delivered their new progeny.

You see that ride over there... The one that looks like a merry-go-round, except it has miniature-sized motorcycles, with lots of simultaneously blinking lights and avery lou's, and continuously intermittent grrrt--grrrt---grrrt--grrrt buzzer sound. That's the ride for you. This ride requires that you be at least 48 inches tall, or you might suffer severe trauma, emotionally.

Blogger Crew December 20, 2020 1:36 PM  

@78: You can get it for horses on Amazon.

Take 1/5 of the dose for horses?

Blogger nbfdmd December 20, 2020 1:38 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"So your hypothesis is that, in anticipation of this nurse DYING on national television, they pre-filmed her explaining why she dropped to the floor?"

How about something simpler, like filming her saying that the vaccine is perfectly safe before the fact, then posting it after the fact.


That's literally what the other guy said, which I showed was retarded. You're not adding to the conversation, retard.

"Vaccine causes dangerous allergic reactions" = good rhetoric.
"They pre-filmed the nurse saying it's safe, knowing she would die on camera" = bad rhetoric that makes you look like a fucking idiot.

Blogger spacehabitats December 20, 2020 1:41 PM  

As an ER physician I have treated many people who have allergic reactions ranging from minor rashes to anaphylaxis shock. I have rarely seen serious reactions to vaccination and have never lost a patient to such.
That being said, I think it would be very reasonable to avoid taking the Covid-19 vaccines at first until more data about adverse reactions are available. I think it would be very unfortunate, however (and so would the God Emperor) if a majority of Americans refused the vaccine. It would certainly be advantageous if we could reach a level of herd immunity as soon as possible so that globalists could no longer use the pandemic as an excuse for their great reset.
In any event, I will be watching with interest as the other employees of our hospital receive there shots to see what kind of reactions they exhibit. I'll let everyone know if there are any serious reactions.

Anonymous Anonymous December 20, 2020 1:44 PM  

Yo... eh yo... that vaccine... I triple-dog triple-threat triple-quadruple dare you to try it. What you sced? You sced huh - I knew it I knew it..

Blogger Keith December 20, 2020 1:48 PM  

The nurse isn’t dead. The crux of the argument that she is dead comes from the search site that lists as “done” her death record. But if you search for yourself you will see your status is the same. It’s saying the search for death records is done (not that there is a death record). It’s a scam trying to get you to pay money and making it look like they have more data on people than they do.

Blogger Hezekiah Garrett December 20, 2020 1:49 PM  

Higdon is on the Jackson County side of the Dekalb/Jackson border. It's just up from Ider, where they have the annual Mule Days.

Im not saying its false, just doesn't make sense. I myself grew up in Broomtown, Cherokee Co, Al.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 20, 2020 1:52 PM  

@94 Azure Amaranthine:

It is a chemical cocktail, isn't a vaccine by any dictionary definition that existed prior to the attempted introductions of "cancer vaccines" and concomitant modification of many dictionaries to allow that use.

Infogalactic Vaccine page last updated in April 2016:

A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing micro-organism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins or one of its surface proteins. The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as a threat, destroy it, and keep a record of it, so that the immune system can more easily recognize and destroy any of these micro-organisms that it later encounters.

It DOES alter your genetics (look up "genitive" to recall what "genetic" actually means, rather than the mutilated popsci meaning of it) in at least some cells

This not how the biological research community defines "alter your genetics," which is, you know, where I learned this stuff from, doing genetic mapping of mutations in bacteria in the mid-1970s

--though perhaps not your germline, not that that would matter to a woman rendered infertile by it anyway--

No "perhaps" about it, describe a mechanism or admit you don't know what you're talking about. And I've yet to see anything that indicates the fertility threat isn't also carried by the wild type virus' spike protein, that's where the danger comes from. Zillions of spike proteins from a wild type infection vs. a relative few from quickly recycled mRNA, a replication deficient virus vector, protein, or for the PRC, killed virus? I don't know enough immunology to even make a guess. But we'd best find out ASAP.

and it is possible to carry and transmit covid even after having the "vaccine". Likely? Perhaps not, for about five minutes until the seasonal-flu-that-is-called-covid19 mutates again.

No perhaps about it, we've got lots of serological data about COVID-19 by now, it's a "probably." It's fortunately very much not the flu, its genes aren't in their own segments trivially allowing hybridization, see also how coronaviruses have a unique among RNA viruses proofreading system. Note all the vaccines for RNA viruses we have that are "eternal," because the immune system latches onto something that's "conserved," that can't change much or "the virus won't virus."

Blogger JayD December 20, 2020 2:04 PM  

Vox, please say you haven't been playing this game on a grand scale for a month and a half now. "/pol/ is always right."

Blogger Bezzle December 20, 2020 2:20 PM  

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Blogger Homesteader December 20, 2020 2:20 PM  

Citation Needed.

Blogger Jack Amok December 20, 2020 2:26 PM  

No amount of clinical trial testing will save you from a manufacturing error post-licensure.

Well, it's a good thing then that we exempt them from product liability for sloppy manufacturing or else they might... er, um, wait... gimme a minute...

I totally lost any shred of respect I had for xkcd this year.


It was always pretty obvious he was Gamma to the core.

Blogger urthshu December 20, 2020 2:31 PM  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saratabin/2020/10/13/why-are-so-many-minks-dying-of-covid/?sh=6f816e176da2

Blogger Matthew T December 20, 2020 2:35 PM  

@spacehabitats: as another ER physician, I agree with your comment entirely. I would add that, while I have by no means come to a decision, I am inclined to wait for the Astrazeneca vaccine which (if I'm not mistaken) is based on the more traditional vaccine method. The mRNA method is fascinating and indeed elegant, but as others have noted, not as well-studied.

Blogger agent_buzz December 20, 2020 2:40 PM  

Science Magazine, the journal of AAAS, published this article:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6520/1022.full

Some snippets...notice the image in the article of a Lipid Nanoparticle. That is just a euphemism for a virus. Coronaviruses have a lipid bi-layer with a crunchy mRNA center, just like the LNP. Same structures. They SAY that the sub-genomic RNA fragment just codes for the Spike Protein (S-Protein) but I have not been able to find the genome on the UCSC Genome Browser or anywhere else (I work for the Health Science Center of a large university). Though it's proprietary, anybody could sequence the RNA if they get the vaccine.

"This summer, computational biologist Luke Hutchison volunteered for a trial of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine. But after the second injection, his arm swelled up to the size of a “goose egg,” Hutchison says. He can't be sure he got the vaccine and not a placebo, but within a few hours, Hutchison, who was healthy and 43, was beset by bone and muscle aches and a 38.9°C fever. “I started shaking. I had cold and hot rushes,” he says. “I was sitting by the phone all night long thinking: ‘Should I call 911?’”

Hutchison's symptoms resolved after 12 hours. But, he says, “Nobody prepared me for the severity of this.”

"So front-line public health workers will need “to have a story that gets out in front of [stories like Hutchison's]—that responds to the way that people are going to try to make that a story about vaccine injury,” says Bernice Hausman, an expert on vaccine controversy at the Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine."

“We suspect the lipid nanoparticle causes the reactogenicity, because lipid nanoparticles without mRNA in them do the same thing in animals,” Weissman says. “We see production, in the muscle, of inflammatory mediators that cause pain, [redness], swelling, fever, flulike symptoms, etc.”

Hutchison hopes better vaccines are on the way. Still, he says, “Given that COVID can kill or incapacitate people, everybody should bite the bullet and expect a rough night. … Get lots of naproxen.”

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 2:44 PM  

@78, I ordered apple flavored horse Ivermectin from amazon. The dose/weight is the same for humans and horses, unsurprisingly.

Blogger Josh Brown December 20, 2020 2:46 PM  

Meanwhile the war against HCQ continues.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume December 20, 2020 2:54 PM  

Tommy Hass is back. yay

Blogger Angela December 20, 2020 3:01 PM  

Doctors and engineers in the family touting Trusted Authority and Trusted Institution drown out any voice of dissent. Don't question. It's pointless to try and discuss anything with them because I'm just a silly woman reading blog posts about dangerous ideas. They're all talking about the vaccine. They can't wait to queue up and I silently wonder if I'll be widowed. God is sovereign.

This blog and being able to pop in on the comments is a refuge and a blessing. I'm grateful for it.

Blogger Dole December 20, 2020 3:02 PM  

@103 That is false information. If you search her name on the site, it lists all the records with that name, and one happens to match her age and location. Random letter combinations do not bring any results. Your name could legitimately bring results as people with that name may have died.

https://www.searchquarry.com/

Which does not mean it's her record, or even that the site is legitimate. The county website gives no indication the records are available somewhere. However, the story that you can find yourself in the records is false.

Blogger Homesteader December 20, 2020 3:05 PM  

So. Infogalactic lists 7 types of vaccine- assuming that information is up-to-date-would it be safe to say that the COVID-19 vaccines would fall into one of the several subtypes listed in the "experimental" category? Perhaps an expert could chime in here.

And, if so- given the worldwide survival rate of patients infected with this virus (>99%), and the unknown long-term effects of this vaccine; the question to ask is- why are we ignoring proven treatments like the MATH+ protocol, in order to
stampede millions of people into a treatment protocol with unforeseeable sequelae?

Ah, yes. Science!

Blogger Didas Kalos December 20, 2020 3:05 PM  

@o. Cowherd. You weigh as much as a horse?

Blogger Stilicho December 20, 2020 3:14 PM  

So lucky it wasn't a suppository...

Blogger Reziac December 20, 2020 4:04 PM  

Ivermectin is not OTC for human use, but its major use is as livestock wormer, and is also commonly used for heartworm prevention in dogs. I buy it as cattle wormer to use in my kennel. Same thing as the pricey heartworm pill for a couple cents per dose. (The majority of cost in these common drugs is pilling and packaging, not the drug itself.)

Here is how safe ivermectin is: I know a guy who was doing research in the Amazon basin. He took a full dose every day for six months to prevent river blindness, with no ill effects. (Heartworm dose for dogs is approx. 1/100th of the general parasite dose, and once per month.)

However, there exists a genetic defect in dogs, and possibly in humans, where the brain cannot metabolize this entire class of drugs, leading to results that are unpleasant to fatal. We can test for this MDR1 mutation in dogs; far as I know no such test exists for humans. So I wouldn't go chugging ivermectin without being a little cautious. If you have side effects from OTC loperamide (Immodium), or are slow to come out of general anesthesia, you might be at risk.

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As to the duration of rabies vaccine, there is good data on this. It is not a lifetime vaccine. Like other MLV canine vaccines, good protection lasts about four years, then rapidly declines, and by 4.5 years is effectively zero.

And if you'd seen distemper and parvovirus kill 90% of exposed puppies and 50% of exposed adults, and how quickly these diseases were brought under control once a good vaccine was available, you might have different thoughts about whether vaccines are good for pets.

Blogger Lamarck Leland December 20, 2020 4:14 PM  

Matthew T wrote:I am inclined to wait for the Astrazeneca vaccine which (if I'm not mistaken) is based on the more traditional vaccine method.

It's the Russian and Chinese vaccines which are based on inactive viruses. Not that this means they are 100% safe.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 20, 2020 4:15 PM  

Reziac wrote:Here is how safe ivermectin is:
Ivermectin is toxic to the liver. If taken in a sufficiently large dose it will kill you. So don't take the dose for a 1200 lb horse. But the damage and the dose are not cumulative. The body metabolizes it fairly quickly, and it is the metabolites that do the work.
That is why the guy in the Amazon could and would take the full dose every day.

Blogger kurt9 December 20, 2020 4:20 PM  

A rabies vaccine is certainly something I would get if I were bit by a dog or other mammal and was not 100% certain the dog was rabies-free. There are times such as this you definitely WANT the vaccine and are crazy to reject it. This is called management, where you do a benefit/cost analysis and make the correct choice for yourself. The problem with the medical establishment is that they want to push every vaccine in the world on to you and, worse, want to convince you NOT to do the kind of personal cost/benefit analysis that you would do when considering any other medical treatment, as well an life decision making in general.

All personal choices involve trade-off. Personal risk/benefit analysis is the prudent approach in making the best decision for yourself. This is called due diligence. I am deeply suspicious of the motives of any person or institution that would try to talk me out of doing such due diligence in making any personal life decision whatsoever. Such individuals and institutions are never to be trusted under any circumstances.

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 20, 2020 4:32 PM  

@109 Jack Amok:

No amount of clinical trial testing will save you from a manufacturing error post-licensure.

Well, it's a good thing then that we exempt them from product liability for sloppy manufacturing or else they might... er, um, wait... gimme a minute...


For these COVID-19 vaccines prior to FDA licensure like they are now at the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), stage, yep:

(B) Scope

The immunity under paragraph (1) applies to any claim for loss that has a causal relationship with the administration to or use by an individual of a covered countermeasure, including a causal relationship with the ... manufacture, labeling, distribution, formulation, packaging, marketing, promotion, sale, purchase, donation, dispensing, prescribing, administration, licensing, or use of such countermeasure.


Didn't search hard, but I couldn't find any limitations for the childhood "vaccine court", the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

Although of course the objective is to avoid ever needing serious compensation.

@111 Matthew T:

@spacehabitats: as another ER physician, I agree with your comment entirely. I would add that, while I have by no means come to a decision, I am inclined to wait for the Astrazeneca vaccine which (if I'm not mistaken) is based on the more traditional vaccine method.

That'll likely be a long wait, the Oxford 50/50 women/men clown show lead by a woman not dedicated to science has made a couple of screw ups, which may cancel each other out, but their Phase III trials effectively have to be restarted. That's an adenovirus vector type, they have their ability to reproduce gimped, and DNA for the spike protein spliced into them.

Jansen's the one to watch, are using an existing human adenovirus platform they've used for Ebola, not the first one that got wide and successful use, but has been licensed in Europe. Oh, this isn't good for the short term, they've been ambitious in trying for a single dosing, Phase III trial with up to 60,000 participants started September 7th. Then they started one with with two doses 57 days apart, up to 30,000 participants starting November 15th, both trials are still recruiting.

Nothing else is close for the US, there's a protein plus adjuvant that's under a 15,000 person Phase III trial in the U.K., but hasn't started its 30,000 person US one. Sputnik V ... we'll see, Phase III trial started in September, but they're also teaming up with AZ/Oxford for a different approach to Oxford's problem of the first dose probably prompting the immune system to zap the second dose before it can do its job.

@112 agent_buzz: Moderna's 100 mcg dose used in their Phase III trial can be quite rough after the second dose. But even the 250 mcg top and an overdose in Phase I was of the "go to urgent care tomorrow" level.

Not sure how to find the exact RNA spike protein sequences, but look at this article for the most important modification made to the wild type for BioNTech, Janssen, and Moderna (TL;DR, "some molecular twist ties added" to avoid antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE)).

@118 Homesteader:

So. Infogalactic lists 7 types of vaccine- assuming that information is up-to-date-would it be safe to say that the COVID-19 vaccines would fall into one of the several subtypes listed in the "experimental" category?

It's not up to date, but the closest is DNA vaccines minus electroporation. Sort of a cross between attenuated live virus vaccines, just no virus, and the subunit, only one protein, not the full set of a complete virus'. And let's not forget wild type COVID-19 infections have their own sequelae.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2020 4:37 PM  

"That's literally what the other guy said, which I showed was retarded. You're not adding to the conversation, retard."

Ok, imbecile, since you lack imagination and thereby aren't understanding, they film it BEFORE she dies, DON"T ADMIT SHE DIED, THEN they post it with a falsified later date as if she were still alive and implying that the vaccine caused her no issues. You're too short for this ride.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2020 4:41 PM  

Look, stupid, it's very possible that they filmed her saying it was safe beforehand as part of the propaganda reinforcement, particularly if she's the person they usually push in front of the camera. THEN, later when she dies, they repurpose the earlier recording from simple reinforcement of the narrative, to implying that she's still alive with no issues.

Get it yet?

Blogger blue2s December 20, 2020 4:41 PM  

Her home was basically 28 miles away from work.
They call it commuting

Blogger Bezzle December 20, 2020 5:06 PM  

@113. Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 2:44 PM
I ordered apple flavored horse Ivermectin from amazon. The dose/weight is the same for humans and horses, unsurprisingly.

Thanks, OC. (BTW you can save almost half getting the unflavored ones. I have lots of unused fast-food jelly packets sitting in the fridge.)

Blogger agent_buzz December 20, 2020 5:11 PM  

I found this tweet from CHI Chattanooga. The hospital says "UPDATE: Nurse Tiffany Dover appreciates the concern shown for her. She is home and doing well. She asks for privacy for her and her family."

https://twitter.com/CHI_Memorial/status/1340349473491476483?s=20

Blogger Homesteader December 20, 2020 5:23 PM  

So, let's see if my layman's brain is getting this.

100% of those vaccinated, will be at risk for unknown side effects, potentially years down the road, since these vaccines have no long-term usage data, and are themselves considered experimental.

So- getting vaccinated= 100% certainty of exposure to potential unknown long-term side effects in the experimental vaccine group.

Not getting vaccinated (control group)= <100% certainty of exposure to unknown long-term side effects of active COVID 19 infection, since not all members of the control group will be susceptible to infection, or being susceptible become infected, due to propylactic protocols, natural immunity, herd immunity, etc.

Thus, 100% (experimental) vs. <100% (control).

Am I overlooking something?

Blogger Joe December 20, 2020 5:24 PM  

"Weird how the crowd that fancies itself the most "open-minded" and "tolerant" is invariably most strident in calling for conformity to petty authority. A real puzzler, that one."

It's the fruits of decades of mind control. Merely calling it brain washing doesn't do it service.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 5:25 PM  

Crew wrote:@78: You can get it for horses on Amazon.

Take 1/5 of the dose for horses?

A 200 pound man should take about 1/6th the dose for a 1200 pound horse.

Blogger Rick December 20, 2020 5:27 PM  

You don’t think they’ll just cook up a new pandemic?

Blogger Joe December 20, 2020 5:29 PM  

"It's funny you should mention those food allergies because for example peanut allergies, especially of the deadly kind, were almost unheard of before the large scale vaccination schedules.

Neither was cancer.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 5:31 PM  

Didas Kalos wrote:@o. Cowherd. You weigh as much as a horse?
Don't play stupid.

Blogger Reziac December 20, 2020 5:34 PM  

Snidley: true -- lots of things that are safe enough at a human-sized dose will kill a human dumb enough to take a horse-sized dose. ChubbyEmu regularly features dim bulbs who thought if some is good, more is better, therefore the whole bottle at once would be terrific.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf December 20, 2020 5:48 PM  

It may be that mRNA vaccines are safer than normal vaccines and have a higher efficacy rate. Or it may be that they're deadly and have a low efficacy rate. We just don't know.

I like the idea of testing the vaccine on Biden voters. The inner city ghoulags too :D

We're probably being transfected/infected all day every day with some viral mRNA somewhere in or on our body. So, the idea of making viral protein "particles" isn't really concerning to me. It's more about who did the research and what were their findings. I'd like to see the lab books - I think the data should be posted up in real-time for everyone to see and analyze as the technician is completing the assays or experiments.

As I understand this is simian coronavirus mRNA? I don't even know if that's true, or what proteins are being made, or what the data are on efficacy - other than two are both coincidentally, "95%" effective.

Where's the publication? I have little trust in any institutions nowadays. Public or private.

Why would I trust a vaccine I know next to nothing about?

I wouldn't.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 20, 2020 6:18 PM  

"Infogalactic Vaccine page last updated in April 2016:"

See that "2016" part? Now, simplistically speaking, the phrase "it's not a vaccine" is intended to convey "it's not like all the things we've called vaccines before", which is correct. It's a new and experimental type of injection, and was not covered by dictionary definitions of the word up until more recently when very different things were marketed under the term "vaccine" in order to trick the average person out of being wary of them.

"This not how the biological research community defines "alter your genetics,"".

That's nice, and also dumb. The biomedical community are often midwits that don't understand a lot of the words they use? Tell me something I didn't know by the time I was thirteen and listening to doctors describe LDL and HDL as cholesterol. No, not as related to it, or as part of the name as in "LDL-Cholesterol", they actually said that they were "good" and "bad" cholesterol, and I could talk to them and the dieticians both and they'd cheerily carry on a conversation about them without knowing they were both proteins. Why? Perhaps the "in" journals at the time didn't denote it carefully, perhaps the doctors didn't read carefully. Professionals not knowing what they're talking about isn't a new phenomena.

Does the injection in any way alter your body's genitive properties? Yes, yes in fact it does, that's part of the point of it. In addition, with no liability, whatever the hell they want can be added in apart from what they claim the active ingredients are, and that could potentially alter the pop-sci "genetics" too.

"No "perhaps" about it, describe a mechanism or admit you don't know what you're talking about."

I'll provide that the same moment that anyone on the face of the Earth can provide a complete point by point of the cell replication process for an embryo which will be... well... never. You're asking me to disprove things FOLLOWING assumptions that you've already made that are bullshit. No one actually knows, it's just assumed that it can't happen, and will continue to be right up until and if "something goes wrong".

Hence, "perhaps". So, since our understanding of it is very little, I'll provide a very little description of the possible mechanism: Reverse Transcriptase.

"I've yet to see anything that indicates the fertility threat isn't also carried by the wild type virus' spike protein, that's where the danger comes from."

"Also". Both/and. There's an interesting conspiracy theory in there somewhere about the virus being a failed attempt by the elites at mass sterilization.

" It's fortunately very much not the flu, its genes aren't in their own segments trivially allowing hybridization"

Fair, you're right if so. That would definitely tamp down on the "covid will be with us forever" claims though, if it's not capable of changing at near the same rate as the other seasonals.

"why are we ignoring proven treatments like the MATH+ protocol, in order to
stampede millions of people into a treatment protocol with unforeseeable sequelae?"


The most benign interpretation is greed.

Blogger Elder Son December 20, 2020 6:47 PM  

"You don’t think they’ll just cook up a new pandemic?"

New Covid strain is 70 per cent more contagious as experts fear South East outbreak is racing out of control

But it's okay! They don't think it is anymore dangerous that the old one, and that the vaccine should work on this one too. It's just more virulent.

So, ya know, everyone is going to get it, so get your vaccine.

BTW, Wuhan is partying hardy, again.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash December 20, 2020 7:10 PM  

70% more contagious than the most contagious disease EVAR. That's pretty contagious. Maybe it will be allowed to burn through the population and disappear in 4 months.

Blogger Ken Prescott December 20, 2020 7:19 PM  

"Not getting vaccinated (control group)= <100% certainty of exposure to unknown long-term side effects of active COVID 19 infection"

Life insurance companies are already figuring on a 5-10 year reduction in life expectancy if you've had COVID.

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere December 20, 2020 7:28 PM  

I'm dead, too, according to the link @11 put in. I died in my home town, a place I haven't been in 5+ years.

Blogger Karen took the Kids December 20, 2020 7:31 PM  

Who cares, she's just a clump of cells right.

Blogger Shannon December 20, 2020 7:44 PM  

My theory is the vaccine isn’t for coronu-it’s for something else.they don’t want to kill the compliant. They’ll let something else loose to get the non vaccinated. Ok by me. There are worse things than dying

Blogger bw December 20, 2020 7:45 PM  

Neither Safe Nor Effective

Jonas SALK
Survival of the Wisest

They're WAY ahead of us
#smart boi

Blogger ThatWouldBeTelling December 20, 2020 8:06 PM  

@138 Meng Greenleaf:

It may be that mRNA vaccines are safer than normal vaccines and have a higher efficacy rate. Or it may be that they're deadly and have a low efficacy rate. We just don't know.

We've got solid evidence of efficacy, we're now in the stage of "what risks won't you find when you vaccinate more than 15 to 22 thousand people," anaphylaxis with limited data currently at 1 out of 45,000 for Pfizer/BioNTech.

[A good approach, but you want to see the researcher's notebooks.]

As I understand this is simian coronavirus mRNA? I don't even know if that's true, or what proteins are being made, or what the data are on efficacy - other than two are both coincidentally, "95%" effective....

It's not true, the protein being made is a stabilized version of the human spike protein, and from my recent readings, it looks like around 95% efficacy is what "active" vaccines tend to top out at, which makes sense given how wild our immune systems are, plus those who's ones don't work well, and accidents made in the chain leading up to sticking the needle into someone's arm.

@139 Azure Amaranthine:

"This not how the biological research community defines "alter your genetics,"".

That's nice, and also dumb. The biomedical community....


Biological research community != biomedical community.

And about others concerned about this claimed new strain in the U.K., as a first cut heuristic I've found it best to ignore initial claims of such, Azure Amaranthine is by no means all wrong about the biomedical community, we've been through this several times before. From the viewpoint of COVID-19 vaccines, are they latching onto things (epitopes) in the spike protein that are "conserved?" Or, if this is truly a new and more transmissible strain, is it also less pathogenic? The two often come together if a virus gets better adapted to humans.

Blogger valis December 20, 2020 8:27 PM  

I honestly wonder if this vaccine is some kind of stealth eugenics. Maybe this would explain why Trump is so inexplicably onboard with the vaccination plan. Think about it. Suppose Trump drained the swamp, driving out all the grifters and sociopaths. All is well but ultimately after a few generations, people will forget the lessons learned by all of this and the pendulum will swing back. Part of the problem is that America (like all western countries) is full of weak, fearful submissive types with little resemblance to the nation's founding stock. Such people will always be like putty in the hands of sociopathic swamp-dwellers and America will never be truly free as long as there are large numbers of such people within her borders constantly demanding productive people do MORE to secure their safety and prosperity. Obviously a mass culling is something you want to avoid. But a dubious vaccine for an obviously phony disease would be like a hunter-killer missile for those types, all without taking a single life. Great way to kill off the kinds of genes that would code for the kinds of proteins that would make up the kind of person who would vote for Joe Biden. Of course, I imagine the vaccine is meant to quietly sterilise not kill. Of course, this would more than likely imply that the vaccine is meant to sterilise, Bill Gates style (I have read plausible descriptions of how the vaccine could consistently sterilise women, but I'm not a biofag and I can't find the original source so I wont embarrass myself by trying to explain it). It's certainly a stretch though.

Alternatively, it might be that Trump is trying to get his own [safe but useless] vaccine out there so people take that instead of a sterilising globohomo vaccine. If true, this would be more or less a completely new kind of warfare, pyscho-biological warfare. Interesting times.

@5 "...would I be morally responsible for their deaths"
I would say no, simply because the implication would be that you are morally liable for any advice you give to someone if they then suffer negative consequences in a way that can plausible connected to that advice. People would become much cagier about sharing info and whatnot. Needless to say that this reasoning only holds if you believed what you told them at the time.

@19 Some anons have speculated that her body may have been quietly moved back to her hometown to avoid having a death certificate matching her description show up at the hospital she's working. Or perhaps her info is out of date.

@32 I worry about this also. Especially since those invasive covid tests probably yield more than enough genetic material for accurate sequencing.

@124 I agree, another thing that distinguishes something like a rabies virus is that it's administered more or less randomly throughout the population, thus making it fairly useless for the kind of sociobiological fuckery that vaccine skeptics charge vaccine proponents with.

Blogger valis December 20, 2020 8:37 PM  

Just to add. Note that the claim is that she fainted due to Vagal Syncope supposedly brought on by the sight of a needle. But of course, if she fainted as a consequence of being afraid needles then:
A) Why is she a nurse if she can't deal with needles?
B) Why did it take a full 17 minutes for her to faint.
Doesn't add up. That's not proof that she's dead per se, but it is proof that the hospital is lying about what happened to her and the media is helping out as usual.

Blogger Beans: Soaked and Strained December 20, 2020 9:12 PM  

I agree. I got the post-exposure rabies vaccine after a bite from a rabid bat. An intensely unpleasant experience, but necessary. Still won’t get the flu or Rona shot.

A midwife recently asked my wife and I if we’d be getting the vaccine. She looked at us like we were crazy when we both responded in the negative. We went with a different midwife.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 9:12 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:70% more contagious than the most contagious disease EVAR. That's pretty contagious. Maybe it will be allowed to burn through the population and disappear in 4 months.
I wonder if we'll even notice when it does?

Blogger nbfdmd December 20, 2020 9:14 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:"That's literally what the other guy said, which I showed was retarded. You're not adding to the conversation, retard."

Ok, imbecile, since you lack imagination and thereby aren't understanding, they film it BEFORE she dies, DON"T ADMIT SHE DIED, THEN they post it with a falsified later date as if she were still alive and implying that the vaccine caused her no issues. You're too short for this ride.


I can't tell you're deliberately trolling or you're this stupid.

The claim that they filmed it before she died was the original idea. I've already addressed it. Read what I said again.

Blogger Josh December 20, 2020 11:11 PM  

Speaking of Big Pharma killing ppl, I still haven’t heard anything about the Daniel Best ‘suicide’. You know, the guy Trump appointed for major cost cuts on drugs? Family man w/ 3 or 4 kids. They certainly don’t mind knocking ppl off. That Azar guy creeps me out whenever I see him now.

Blogger Vaughan Williams December 20, 2020 11:12 PM  

The only way the story that she filmed her explanation first, then died, is that she voluntarily sacrificed herself in some sort of Phoenician human sacrifice ritual, probably to Moloch. She was certainly attractive enough to be used for such purpose.

I'd say the vagus explanation sounds more likely. But with all the pagan ritual and human sacrifice going on, it is possible we saw a human sacrifice on live TV. That is why she had symptoms of her collapse coming on, but didn't panic or raise any alarm.

Blogger Vaughan Williams December 20, 2020 11:15 PM  

Speaking of allergies caused by vaccines, I have heard it said that peanut allergies are unknown in the Middle East. In the Middle East vaccines use sesame oil instead of peanut oil as an adjuvant. And sesame allergies are as bad there as peanut allergies are here. That is the gist.

Blogger Redneckian December 20, 2020 11:18 PM  

https://www.brighteon.com/abf49b23-d428-4228-a6e4-7ef299d8dbfe

Worth watching re: "vaccines"

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 20, 2020 11:43 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:Life insurance companies are already figuring on a 5-10 year reduction in life expectancy if you've had COVID.
Assuming you're going to die early is the profitable assumption for the insurers. They'll charge survivors more for insurance, then profit when they die young, and profit more if they don't.

Blogger Edjamacator December 21, 2020 12:01 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Bezzle wrote:The most logical explanation for this being psyops (of the good guy sort that the press won't cover) is it being a pretext for TGE executive-ordering legal OTC HCQ/zinc remedies.

Maybe. You can already get Ivermectin OTC, and I'd advise you to stock up now, in case the pony Santa brings you has worms.


I ordered "Duramectin Ivermectin Paste 1.87% for Horses, 0.21 oz" on Amazon as the apple flavored stuff had jacked up prices when I tried earlier. This is the same stuff, right, just not flavored? Thanks.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine December 21, 2020 12:06 AM  

"The claim that they filmed it before she died was the original idea. I've already addressed it. Read what I said again."

Okay, since your emotions get in the way of your literacy, I'll say this nicely:

You: "Ok this is where you lose me and make everyone here look stupid. So your hypothesis is that, in anticipation of this nurse DYING on national television, they pre-filmed her explaining why she dropped to the floor?"

No one said that they anticipated her dying. No one at all except you. Now, go read everyf***ingthing you didn't read the first time, with this shockingly new-to-you understanding, to discover why you're the only retard in the room. Yes, everyone sees that you're actually this stupid, you can stop projecting now.

Blogger Bezzle December 21, 2020 1:24 AM  

@143. Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere December 20, 2020 7:28 PM
I'm dead, too, according to the link @11 put in.

That link is a scam. Note the clever wording: "Death Report: Done" -- Their algorithm generated a "report" based on your request, which is now "done", and you'll get to see it after they get your money.

Blogger Fabbat1713@aol.com December 21, 2020 1:53 AM  

If you want to verify, look for a job postings for CHI memorial in Tennessee for a Nurse manager. They may fill her CCU spot with a lateral promotion but they will have to backfill another managers spot. Look up indeed or zip recruiter for RN management jobs.

Blogger Gregory the Tall December 21, 2020 2:04 AM  

Thatwouldbetelling wrote "We've got solid evidence of efficacy" (central claim hidden in numdrous walls of text)

I see you are at it again.

Blogger map December 21, 2020 3:15 AM  

ThatWouldBeTelling wrote:All lies, except for "contains no viruses," which is hopefully a feature, not a bug. See above text replying to Red Jack for "alter your genetics", and Citation Needed for your last sentence fragment quoted, we have no proof they're "sterilizing" vaccines, as in, you will never get a viable virus from this person if the vaccine works for them, but based on serological (blood) data have every expectation they are.

I don't understand what your game is or if you are simply new here and feel the need to educate us.

Note this: your claims about what you think an mRNA vaccine is supposed to do or not do is simply talking points recycled from places like CNN or PR material from Moderna. It has no weight here. We know what the other side writes. It does not need to be repeated.

The fact remains that these emergent mRNA vaccines are pushed by companies that have every financial and political incentive to lie to you. They are protected legally and reputationally from product liability and by media blackouts of any harm this vaccine may cause. Would you drive a car made by a company that had that kind of sweet deal going? Of course you wouldn't.

Big Pharma and Big Government have set up a system where neither have any skin in the game regarding the outcome of this disease, while eventually forcing you to take it just to be able to go about your business. This is unacceptable. Groups that hate you because you're White have no interest in giving you a living wage, free healthcare or a safe vaccine. That should be obvious.

You want to know how this is the Big Lie? The inability to opt out of the vaccine. This is a no-brainer. Everyone who is vaccinated should be safe from everyone who is not vaccinated, so making this voluntary has no social risk beyond those who willingly risk not taking the vaccine. Yet, this option is vehemently fought against. Why? Why does one person's vaccination effectiveness depend on someone else being vaccinated?

Do you see the lie?

Blogger map December 21, 2020 3:32 AM  

Johnny wrote:Take one of several malaria medications early in the disease cycle along with a zinc supplement and the disease is stopped in its tracks. Maybe three days for a cure and that is even for people who are older or not in good health.

I know of a large VA hospital near me that was using HCQ+ZN+'Myocin for COVID since March.

Recovery time is three days for their patients.

Blogger map December 21, 2020 3:54 AM  

Dos Voltz wrote:Ominous, I can't find Ivermectin OTC anywhere. All links I find say need a prescription. Point me in right direction?

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-paste-187-608-g?cm_vc=-10005

Blogger Mirko i Slavko December 21, 2020 4:01 AM  

Personally I think this whole vaccine thing is a Red Herring.

Blogger map December 21, 2020 4:14 AM  

Tommy Hass wrote:Its almost like all the measures used against Covid were to avoid swamped ICUs with doctors being forced to engage in triage.

You realize that THIS is the REAL reason why people were pissing themselves over Covid, right?


If that were the real motivation, then they would've done random sampling of the locked-down population to determined the spread of the virus. Yet, no random sampling occurred. It was just lockdown with no follow-up because, as soon as the lockdown ended, the disease would start to spread.

Blogger wreckage December 21, 2020 4:17 AM  

@155 that would make sense. You don't get allergies without exposure.

Blogger wreckage December 21, 2020 4:23 AM  

@13 "Of course the only thing the doctors did was assure the parents that vaccines don't do this, vaccines are always safe and have no side effects..."
What utter clowns. I had an adverse reaction to the whooping cough vaccine and to this day, at over 40 years old, I STILL can't get a doctor to sign off on a booster. The idea was it's less risky for me being older and would help keep younger people in the family safe, especially if they couldn't get the shot.
But nope. Can't get it. Because vaccines DO do that, in some cases, and over here, everyone knows it.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit December 21, 2020 4:51 AM  

@63 If you are only now figuring out that the xkcd guy is a Useful Idiot, you are several years late to the party.

This is why his comics work, and why it is a damnable shame he serves the PTB.

https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2386:_Ten_Years

Figuring out how to reach guys like him would be a real service to Christendom. I just pray.

Blogger map December 21, 2020 5:47 AM  

Vaughan Williams wrote:The only way the story that she filmed her explanation first, then died, is that she voluntarily sacrificed herself in some sort of Phoenician human sacrifice ritual, probably to Moloch. She was certainly attractive enough to be used for such purpose.

She could very well be none the wiser as to why they wanted to pre-record her statement...you know, in case she was not available for a live interview.

Blogger Unknown December 21, 2020 6:25 AM  

She's dead, Jim Stone dug up her new youtube channel, it's two days old.

http://82.221.129.208/.ux3.html

Anonymous Anonymous December 21, 2020 7:27 AM  

Life insurance companies are already figuring on a 5-10 year reduction in life expectancy if you've had COVID.

You know what actuarial tables are? Because anyone can speculate (“figure”) anything but the actuarial tables are historical data and they don’t generally lie.

We’re all being exposed to unknown side effects of unknown infections all the time.

I’m quite sanguine about those odds - as is everyone who isn’t a frightened baby or a vaccine salesman.

Which one are you?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2020 8:07 AM  

map wrote:I know of a large VA hospital near me that was using HCQ+ZN+'Myocin for COVID since March.

Recovery time is three days for their patients.

Fairbanks Memorial Hospital is, too. Same 3 days.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2020 8:11 AM  

map wrote:I don't understand what your game is or if you are simply new here and feel the need to educate us.
TWBT is either a paid shill or a butthurt midwit gamma shilling free. Midwit gamma describes most physicians, so could be a real MD.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2020 8:13 AM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:Yes, everyone sees that you're actually this stupid,
I'm not everyone, but yes, he's being stupid.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd December 21, 2020 8:15 AM  

Edjamacator wrote:I ordered "Duramectin Ivermectin Paste 1.87% for Horses, 0.21 oz" on Amazon as the apple flavored stuff had jacked up prices when I tried earlier. This is the same stuff, right, just not flavored?
Sounds like the same thing. 1.87% sounds familiar. As long as the active ingredient is just Ivermectin, you're on the right track.

Blogger Chinook December 21, 2020 10:42 AM  

Don't worry - She'll be on the Ellen show by the end of the week, as soon as they find someone with the same eyes ;)

Blogger Akulkis December 21, 2020 11:54 AM  

Charitable Donations should be sent here:

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United Appeal for the Dead.

Blogger Didas Kalos December 21, 2020 12:02 PM  

@zastavnik or a blue herring

Blogger Rhology December 21, 2020 5:23 PM  

Oh OK, this video makes it all better. I definitely believe Ms. Dover is alive and well for sure.

Blogger OilsLady December 22, 2020 2:46 AM  

Maybe try To talk to them about taking supplements to keep your immune system strong So they don't need the vaccine. But their own immune system work. They might understand that. Keep your immune system strong instead of injecting whatever into your system

Blogger rotekz December 22, 2020 11:49 AM  

They are possibly using a stand-in for Tiffany. She looks like a different woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylhq-fnMV00

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