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Monday, January 11, 2021

All Parler's data are belong to them

Using Parler was a massive, massive mistake. When are conservatives going to learn to stop trusting their gatekeepers? Handing over your telephone and drivers license to someone who can't protect your data just because they let you use their site for free is sheer idiocy.

A group of developers latched onto the Press Release that Twilio put out at midnight last night. In that Press Release, Twilio accidentally revealed which services Parler was using. Turns out it was all of the security authentications that were used to register a user. This allowed anyone to create a user, and not have to verify an email address, and immediately have a logged-on account.

Well, because of that access, it gave them access to the behind the login box API that is used to deliver content -- ALL CONTENT (parleys, video, images, user profiles, user information, etc) --. But what it also did was revealed which USERS had "Administration" rights, "Moderation" rights.

Well, then what happened, those user accounts that had Administration rights to the entire platform... The hackers, internet warriors, call it what you will, was able to use the forgot password link to change the password. Why? Because Twilio was no longer authenticating emails. This meant, they'd get directly to the reset password screen of that Administration user.

This group of Internet Warriors then used that account, to create a handful of other ADMINISTRATION accounts, and then created a script that ended up creating MILLIONS of fake administration accounts.

Now that they had a way of creating admin accounts without interruption, they created a Docker Image (basically a virtual machine) called a Warrior, that anyone could download, and when fired up, would immediately start collecting data off of Parler, in a coordinated fashion.

Consider it like SETI (Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence) that people used to load up as screen savers when their computers were not being used. Same concept, crowdsourcing.

All of this data, the videos, the images, the posts, the metadata (including the GEO location of all images and videos, and the connections to the accounts that posted it, has been (since midnight) being uploaded to various cloud drives and storage arrays for the purposes of Archiving this information, for later retrieval by law enforcement, by the public, by Open Source Intelligence communities.

And the kicker.. is this: all of this information was thought to be secure and private by individuals who were making the posts. A significant number of those individuals went through the process of being a "Verified Citizen" on Parler. What does that mean?

It means they uploaded a picture of the front and back of their REAL State Driver's License........ Let that sink in for a second.

I am positive the FBI has been actively soaking in this information along with the Internet Warriors, but this is how they are going to officially track down. And it's how the FBI, DHS, and FAA have been able to immediately and exhaustively create no-fly lists. Every verified attendee of the Capitol riot where they can find a real name has been placed on No-Fly Lists.

It might seem like a small geeky glitch or hack.. but in the age of Information warfare... this is the silver bullet for the people who used Parler as a place to organize their efforts. Also, a lot of posts were deleted by Parler members after the riots on the 6th. Turned out... Parler didn't actually delete anything.. just set a bit as deleted.

Guess what has access to all "deleted" content?

Administrator accounts.

And this is why breaking yourself of your addiction to the Cult of Free is vital. Due to their business model, sooner or later, they are going to need to sell your data. That's why they hold onto it even when they claim to respect your data privacy. If they actually did, they wouldn't hold onto it in the first place.

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98 Comments:

Blogger MATT January 11, 2021 6:28 AM  

Wow thats retarded.
I definitely did not give them my license

Not that it matters, Ive had the same cell # for almost 15 years

Blogger PewienBear(Mac) January 11, 2021 6:33 AM  

Would it be possible to attack Parler using UE GDPR angle?

Blogger MC Duquesne January 11, 2021 6:36 AM  

Suspected that was why Gab stopped supporting server federation. To easily capture all the data you need centralized servers under your control.

The current server issues would be much easier to deal with if Gab still supported the distributed p2p their Mastodon fork originally had.

Blogger #7139 January 11, 2021 6:37 AM  

Well all of that is certainly interesting. It will no doubt cause the wailing and gnashing of teeth by some people.

Blogger SciVo January 11, 2021 6:38 AM  

Good grief! It's like Charlie Brown and Lucy, with the football.

Except in real life, and with adults.

Blogger John Bradley January 11, 2021 6:39 AM  

So Parler, not so much “stupid”, more like “enemy action”.

Blogger Jamin990 January 11, 2021 6:45 AM  

This is why the only social platform i use is Social Galactic.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 11, 2021 6:50 AM  

Twilio accidentally revealed

Citation needed.

Blogger Wayne January 11, 2021 6:54 AM  

What a coincidence...I deleted my Parler account last night on a whim. Wasn't verified, very few posts.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2021 6:55 AM  

Like walking into an ambush through a one way valve.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 11, 2021 6:59 AM  

Over/under on whether Parler/Twilio did this intentionally? The timing is pretty perfect.

Blogger Student in Blue January 11, 2021 6:59 AM  

Oh, let us agonize together. Who could have possibly known this would have happened? Gosh golly gee.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( Joe Biden is the president Glenn Reynolds wants and the Chinese Owned Pedophile is the president Glenn Reynolds deserves ) January 11, 2021 7:02 AM  

my, my, what a CONVENIENT data breach.
.
has it been even a month since vanilla cuckservatives decided Parlor was the free speech platform du jour?

Blogger Shimshon January 11, 2021 7:08 AM  

I can't imagine the bandwidth bill Parler's backers are going to be saddled with as a result of this mother of all *^&$&(&^s.

If the peaceful DC protesters can be put on no-fly lists will the people who downloaded this material be hit with hacking charges?

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz January 11, 2021 7:08 AM  

The only reason I'm in the "Cult of Free" is because I have little extra money at the end of the week. I'm grateful for Gab...so far...and that MeWe and Parler sign ons didn't work out. Hope to be about to join SG one day, but that's not happening anytime soon. All the best to you for the work you do here.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 11, 2021 7:09 AM  

That drivers license thing. Not ever.

Blogger John Rockwell January 11, 2021 7:16 AM  

Called it

Blogger millie78 January 11, 2021 7:17 AM  

"And this is why breaking yourself of your addiction to the Cult of Free is vital."

Amen! If you aren't paying, you are the product. And if you are the product, you are definitely not secure. The corollary to the saying that, "you get what you pay for," is "you don't get what you don't pay for," so if you're not paying for security you should summer you're not getting security.

Blogger Matthew T January 11, 2021 7:26 AM  

Heh, I was actually thinking about this meme lately... would love to see a God-Emperor-themed "all your base are belong to us" on January 21st...

Blogger JovianStorm January 11, 2021 7:38 AM  

How long before Gab gets a nice little Deep State data breach that exposes all the conservatives?

Again, Gab is free... Stay away from it.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 11, 2021 7:41 AM  

And I think it's time to move to a paid secure email service instead of this free crap.

Blogger blixo January 11, 2021 7:46 AM  

I don't see the press release from twilio. In any case, how does a hacker gain access by simply knowing which services parler is using? If Parler was hacked, great (and even better if twilio -- a massively converged company -- screwed up) but the story quoted here is smelly.

Blogger Shane Bradman January 11, 2021 7:47 AM  

My first experience with the internet was the early 00s Wild West, where everything was a virus and everyone wanted to kidnap you to harvest your organs. Facebook was too much for me so I only ever used fake information. Parler is breaching privacy rights of its users by requesting drivers licences as verification. It should be given a court order to cease operations immediately because it harvests very sensitive information.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( Joe Biden is the president Glenn Reynolds wants and the Chinese Owned Pedophile is the president Glenn Reynolds deserves ) January 11, 2021 7:51 AM  

i would ask the question;
who would be moronic enough to allow Internet facing Administrator accounts?

but, of course, Parlor was notoriously renting Cloud from Amazon or Google
...
thus, Internet facing Admin accounts were the only access that Parlor had to their own software.

and yes, i'm aware that pretty much everybody is a moron these days. i just had a +40 Purdue engineer tell me what an awesome idea it is for Microsoft Office to have moved all of it's suite to the Cloud.

i've worked in telecom. cell towers go down. Central Offices go down. fiber backbones go down. nations throttle internet. out in the Boonies, there's a good chance you won't have cell tower access, whether the Internet is up and functional or not.

the idea that you would lose ALL data access when you lose internet access is "acceptable business practice" is simple lunacy.

but everybody claims internet connectivity should be a requirement these days. *sigh*

Blogger Abyssus Invocat January 11, 2021 7:53 AM  

All they got from me was a burner phone number that belonged to a by the hour Malaysian IT worker.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein January 11, 2021 8:00 AM  

" 'Step into my Parler' said the spider to the fly."

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 11, 2021 8:04 AM  

Wayne wrote:What a coincidence...I deleted my Parler account last night on a whim. Wasn't verified, very few posts.

There's the rub--you didn't delete anything. They still have your data, you just can't access it any more.

There's no way this is an innocent goof. It's data mining.

I have a hard time believing Dan Bongino is this naive.

Blogger I. Renarde January 11, 2021 8:05 AM  

If a military friend of mine's intel is correct, that may well happen.

And none of them know about Q.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo January 11, 2021 8:06 AM  

That whole hacking story is bullshit.
They made it up to cover the fact they sold user data.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 11, 2021 8:11 AM  

Shane Bradman wrote:Parler is breaching privacy rights of its users by requesting drivers licences as verification.

Holy shit. Dominion has my drivers license #, vitals, and photo. That means China does. All just so I can have my vote stolen. WTF.

Blogger Rowan January 11, 2021 8:13 AM  

As a basic level UATV subscriber is social galactic available to me?

Also, drivers license? Who wound that stupid?

Don’t answer that. People are not as smart as they think they are, like my “conservative” friends who think they can use FB to effect change. I know I am an idiot but their flat retarded in that regard.

I left FB years ago and some of them will still tell me I need to get back on it, how else will I keep up with what’s going on in town/kids sports/church/politics?

I don’t understand them.

Blogger Yossarian January 11, 2021 8:13 AM  

So we all know that data-mining is the new gold-rush. What would you do with a lot of data that suddenly went up in value? You sell. But it's ok because your users can't accuse you of anything because "oops, security oversight lol".

Blogger JWM in SD January 11, 2021 8:17 AM  

Yeah, that's what kept me from going further. It was a no go as soon as I saw that.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 11, 2021 8:19 AM  

I guess Parler had a contract with Amazon saying all their data belong to Amazon.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 11, 2021 8:21 AM  

Not at all obvious to me how this follows from anything that was claimed first
" But what it also did was revealed which USERS had "Administration" rights, "Moderation" rights. "

Normally you have to have an identity, then rights for that identity come back to the client code, if an SPA. Only someone already an admin should be able to see other users.

A few months back I had an issue w someone using my email and AMEX info to create a DoorDash account, purch flagged for me by AMEX. Neither email or CC acct was hacked, just DD didnt require email verification before purchases, sorry SOBs.

But I got back partial control because Forgot Password did send change link to my email, like normal.

The FB story doesnt make a lot of sense, unless Parler really went out of their way to do stupid nonstandard shit. Possible I suppose.

At least for actual transactions, tagging deletes so they are not shown, not active, but around still for auditing and CYA is normal practice. Dont know what practice is for boards.

When I looked at Parler I immediately balked at phone number requirement. Security and privacy are always relative given enough resources, but no need to hand it to them on a silver plate.

Blogger Cappuccinobear January 11, 2021 8:21 AM  

I keep getting this ominous feeling that "the cloud" will soon change names to "motherbrain" or even "skynet".

Blogger Careless Whisper January 11, 2021 8:21 AM  

Is this really legit? As of this AM, f you search Twilio hack, you'll only find links to an event from November.
If you search Twilio press release, you'll find a Guardian article about them getting booted from AWS last night.
All the top links that reference this story are Y-Combinator posts and Reddit posts circling back to this FB post.

Blogger Canada78Bear January 11, 2021 8:22 AM  

To any of those who think these guys were retarded to set it up in this way:
I've seen even worse in past two years by department heads at billion+ company.

You may like to believe in malevolent behavior here but sadly idiocy reigns supreme.

Blogger bar1scorpio January 11, 2021 8:23 AM  

Cuckservatives and their ilk never paid attention to GamerGate, who learned their lesson when Candid came about. Bearing & TheQuQu were instrumental in sounding the distrust of that app, the Australian youtuber going as far to record phone calls with the creator.
But the Praegers of the world ignored what was going on for years. Now we see the result.
Boomers still,latching on to Zoom, even though other exisrpting apps do the same job, better, zoomed uploading to TikTok despite obvious warnings. I even have some Millennials who should know better playing Genshin Impact.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2021 8:30 AM  

imagine being stupid enough to send a picture of your DL to some internet company...

Blogger DiGi377 January 11, 2021 8:30 AM  

I can't find that press release put out by Twilio though. I figure I'm failing somehow but most recent press release is dated December

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2021 8:38 AM  

@23 "It should be given a court order to cease operations immediately because it harvests very sensitive information."

Shane, I think you missed the point: Barn, horse, long, LONG GONE... now roadkill on the nearby highway!!

All those licenses: full legal names, complete address, photo, age, birthday (really useful in ID theft)... AND phone number, AND driver's license number... All that oh-so-useful legal ID info.... in everyone's dirty hands now.

Parler was obviously built as a honeypot for conservatives. The trap just snapped shut. NOT JUST on the MAGAs who went to D.C.

Blogger [Redacted] January 11, 2021 8:38 AM  

"When are conservatives going to learn to stop trusting their gatekeepers?"

Conservatives already accepted mass immigration, gun control laws, sodomites in public office, abortion, genetically modified foods, and the deliberate destruction of Christianity as a moral force in society. It is surprising that Parler didn't ask for more compromising material. If Boomers were stupid enough to sign up for Israel based "affair dating site" Ashley Madison, then there should have been a nontrivial percentage of their target demographic willing to demonstrate proof of their vices ~ostensibly~ to connect them with others.

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2021 8:41 AM  

@26 "imagine being stupid enough to send a picture of your DL to some internet company..."

{sigh} High trust, high performance: the absolutely deadly -- and perfectly accurate, thank you Vox Day! -- description of people of European derivation.

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 11, 2021 8:43 AM  

Nate wrote:imagine being stupid enough to send a picture of your DL to some internet company...

China has my DL now. I voted in Georgia like an idiot. They scanned it front and back. Tablets, completely wireless, straight to the Vatican.

Blogger phaeton January 11, 2021 8:49 AM  

Autodesk no longer gives you usb media for your Cad software. So when your hard drive crashes and you reinstall from cloud, the IT firewall quarantines it. So you can't reinstall, then IT calls askng why in the hell you need to download 300 gigs of data anyways. then the software licensing which uses the internet locks you out of using your software whenever Comcast has an outage. I have seen productivity decrease in the past decade due to these kinds of decisions. About once a month I have software registry failures from one specialty engineering software after another because they are all web based and constantly having firewall or connection issues. This leads me to spending literal days of productivity every year just sorting software licensing out so I can work...

Blogger Jonathon Davies January 11, 2021 8:55 AM  

Didn't start using Parler. Luckily Vox warned against it. I know people who did join and got verified. I've just emailed them this blog piece.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 11, 2021 8:56 AM  

Cloud: "Somebody else's computer".
There is no way an idea this bad can take off on its own so easily. No way. Been thinking this for nearly 10 years.
As soon as the damned marketers got into this keyword, it was cloud this cloud that. I don't think there is a conspiracy among marketers. They are just empty heads trying to sell crap. The conspiracy is in the trade publications and "journolists".

Blogger Crew January 11, 2021 9:00 AM  

The whole thing might have been planned that way from the beginning.

Blogger Jack Tanner January 11, 2021 9:06 AM  

I didn't give them license of course, but they got my number. No personal pictures or info, etc.... so unless you posted last year's Christmas photos or unless you were verified you probably don't have much to worry about regarding doxxing but if they got the phone numbers, well.....

That said, I'm not going to let the scumbag leftists intimidate me. If they want to find me, they'll find a way. I'll defend myself and my land.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 11, 2021 9:12 AM  

There is no way an idea this bad can take off on its own so easily.

The New Shiny + C-suite retards thinking they're "cutting costs" = Bad Idea Rocket Fuel


imagine being stupid enough to send a picture of your DL to some internet company...

Imagine valuing your dimbulb quotidian opinions enough to even consider such a dumbass move. Pissing your life away for hashtags and likes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 11, 2021 9:13 AM  

Denninger makes a good point about AWS and this episode, and "it can't happen to me" delusions.

Maybe these tech oligarchs start eating one another, one can hope.

Blogger Slippin JImmy January 11, 2021 9:15 AM  

Only if you live in the EU or the UK, and enforcement will be a pain.

Blogger Nate January 11, 2021 9:19 AM  

"Cloud: "Somebody else's computer"."

this. a thousand times this.

cloud computing was never anything but stupid.

Blogger 1st Missouri Cavalry January 11, 2021 9:22 AM  

I spent 20 years in IT infrastructure and operations. My last gig was in a large company that had moved its mfg. to China but kept administration here in my small Appalachian town.

As the Tech. Svs. Mgr, I was constantly butting heads with the boomer IT director. He was infatuated with the 'cloud' -- circa 2012.

As a longtime reader of Market Ticker, and being aware of the importance of data security, proprietary information related to company operations, I took a strong stance against every effort to move that company's data to the Amazon and MS clouds.

I don't work there anymore and was let go in large part due to my opposition to the cloud and wanting to keep our servers (vital do daily operation) in house.

My boss won. But guess what? That company no longer exists -- it went under in 2018, after having been in business here for almost 100 years.

Never trusted the 'cloud' or any sort of social media. My buddies in IT Security back in the early 2000's were right on it and let me know their opinions. I'm glad l listened to them.

My only social media account is Social Galactic. Never used FB, twatter, or any other platform.

Another factor is demonstrated in teh movie "The Lives of Others". I told my family and friends that FB and the like would eventually be used to identify 'dissent' and to target people and their networks of friends.

In the movie, a Stasi agent sat in a guy's attic for 20 years listening to his phone calls, conversations with his wife, and reading his mail.

In this country, 1 guy can write a few lines of code and do that for thousands or even millions of people. In seconds.

In that light, fuck facebook and all social media.

My social media is me talking to my friends and relatives in person.

Blogger SouthRon January 11, 2021 9:39 AM  

For everyone saying it's not real, the scripts, docker images and more are on @donk_enby (crash override's) Twitter account.

Blogger JD Curtis January 11, 2021 9:48 AM  

I recall Milo expressing his disgust with Parler. Basically said it attracted the very WORST of civnat wingnuts and conservative cucksters. I would have to concur. Was on it for 2 weeks and was completely bored with it. It's demise is no great loss.

Blogger pyrrhus January 11, 2021 9:50 AM  

The one piece of data that is most difficult for the scammers to get hold of is your drivers license..As an attorney, I have been telling people for 30 years to keep that totally private and distrust anyone outside DMV that asks for it...And there are some sad stories from those who violated this obvious precaution..

Blogger Avalanche January 11, 2021 9:55 AM  

@48 " it was cloud this cloud that."

I'm always astonished at the business owners I know who (not all willingly) had to follow Quickbooks up into the cloud and then pay their new "subscription rent" year over year: $$$$. Even WITHOUT your biz data being under somebody else's 'alleged security control' -- WHAT do you do when the net goes down? Even if just in a storm, or a car hitting a power pole?

If you stop paying your bookkeeping "rent" -- they have your data and YOU do not! Or, if you do, not is a necessarily usable format without their SW! Sure, all-y'all geeks can work-around; most folks? Dirge and dirt-on-coffin.

Same with e-coinage... WHEN the web goes down -- and it WILL either by enemy action, or the Sun shooting us with a big CME -- how do you get your "money" then?! Even if you have your own computer inside a Faraday cage: what of the WORLD your "money" relies on?

Do you really think the Carrington Event was a one-and-done?!

Consider this web-bloodbath to be your last warning. Figure out WHAT you will do -- and Vox and Markku just gave us some good prep ideas to start with [blogpost UATV update]: have you DONE them yet? Just like living on the shore and celebrating with relief when the latest Cat 4-5 hurricane turns away and trashes someone else's house -- one of them IS going to land on your house eventually! Get your plywood and storm lanterns in order now.

Blogger map January 11, 2021 9:56 AM  

All of this Cloud nonsense is under the SaaS space: software as a service.

Basically, this is a rebuilt mainframe system, where your personal hardware is a dumb terminal controlling a virtual machine allocating hard drive space and memory. Basically, digital real estate.

It is the hottest sector in the economy. See the ETF "SKYY."

People are incredibly stupid.

Blogger urthshu January 11, 2021 10:02 AM  

Was never on it or any social media because they are all such awful wastes of time. Hopefully everyone who was has lifelock and is signed up on haveibeenpwned at minimum.

Blogger mjkeegs January 11, 2021 10:09 AM  

Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what they can do with a driver's license that they can't do with information that is already readily available to them from other sources?

Blogger Jeroth January 11, 2021 10:10 AM  

The Parler symbol looks very suspiciously like a shekel sign. That's all I needed to know to stay far away.

Blogger binks webelf January 11, 2021 10:20 AM  

Saw the phone # request come up when I was signing up for Parler. Hard pass. Glad I did, since I'm already on enough 'Special Lists'. ;)

Is Dan Bongino a useful idiot, or do we suppose he understands what Parler was really all about?

Blogger A M D G January 11, 2021 10:21 AM  

This is not good...
https://cybernews.com/news/70tb-of-parler-users-messages-videos-and-posts-leaked-by-security-researchers/?fbclid=IwAR0Sp18tsJTb-2Bxdv_WvzDg2eUmo9JgTwloIW062ed_DqKtSjHJ-9Z8rsU

Blogger Nate January 11, 2021 10:25 AM  

"Excuse my ignorance, but can someone tell me what they can do with a driver's license that they can't do with information that is already readily available to them from other sources?"

Jesus Christ....

Blogger David January 11, 2021 10:27 AM  

I don’t think this article is accurate. I was not asked for my driver license information to register for Parler. It sounds lije misinformation!

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 11, 2021 10:29 AM  

WHEN the web goes down -- and it WILL either by enemy action, or the Sun shooting us with a big CME -- how do you get your "money" then?!

That's one of the lesser problems with crypto right now (looking at you, XRP). And BTC, as a speculative investment, sure, it's got possibilities. As a store of value, not really. As a medium of exchange, fuggetaboutit.

Blogger Joeplanet January 11, 2021 10:34 AM  

What does parler's shekel logo have to do with rubbing of hands together?
The world may never know.

Blogger Rough Carrigan January 11, 2021 10:35 AM  

If they're not selling you something then they're selling you.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 11, 2021 10:37 AM  

Conservative Inc. are as materialistic and shallow as they left. They are as lost as the left with less moral clarity.

Blogger Joeplanet January 11, 2021 10:42 AM  

Yes, @map.

One day society will look back at cloud computing and ask "how could we be so stupid?"

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 11, 2021 11:21 AM  

That whole hacking story is bullshit.
They made it up to cover the fact they sold user data.


Or it was always a honeypot. That was my first thought. I'm in the business, and the first few paragraphs explaining the break-in are mostly gobbledegook made of buzzwords. More likely they just turned over the access as planned, and wrote that up for cover.

Blogger Crew January 11, 2021 11:28 AM  

I don't think the CIA etc care about stock prices ...

Twitter just paid a massive price after booting Trump

Blogger NedFlinders January 11, 2021 11:33 AM  

The extreme detail they go into in order to say "we were hacked" does indeed scream "cover story."

My money is on an NSA data dump into the hands of the red-shirt rank and file with this story concocted for plausible deniability.

Blogger lowercaseb January 11, 2021 11:39 AM  

wow, Parler turned out to be the Social Network for REAL conservatives after all. They made losing convenient and easy for the who family.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2021 11:56 AM  

phaeton wrote:This leads me to spending literal days of productivity every year just sorting software licensing out so I can work...
If a couple of small consulting firms got together they could hire a couple Russian developers to flush some of the bugs out of Freecad and some of the other design software out there, and get away from this nonsense.

Really all you need in the consulting business is a decent interface for the drafters and the ability to reliably read and write autocad .dwg files. The dfx format might even suffice, and most of the OS CAD programs can read that already.

Blogger I don't think I like Conrad January 11, 2021 12:04 PM  

#62 That is a very good question. This collective search for coverts is not a good idea. They will still come after you after they exhaust their lists. But then maybe the idea then is to turn on a dime and say you were always one of them.

No, we will never be able to match the Devil in subtilty. What is called for is bold, open defiance.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 11, 2021 12:15 PM  

@74 Meh, it's like 10-15% off it's high. Sure, that's lot of fake market cap money, but call me when it's at least down to it's 200 day avg before I'm impressed.

I swear the over-exaggeration in today's financial press gets worse all the time. And none of them seem to know how to call up a stock chart for some perspective.

Blogger Unknown January 11, 2021 12:22 PM  

"Over/under on whether Parler/Twilio did this intentionally? The timing is pretty perfect."

Look up the background of Parler's Chief Policy Officer.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2021 12:27 PM  

I don't think I like Conrad wrote:No, we will never be able to match the Devil in subtilty. What is called for is bold, open defiance.
Didn't somebody say ``resist the devil and he will flee?''

Blogger Reprehensible Adam January 11, 2021 12:29 PM  

Sorry Vox. I see how bad Parlor is. Thank you!

Blogger Rabid Ratel January 11, 2021 12:57 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:If a couple of small consulting firms got together they could hire a couple Russian developers to flush some of the bugs out of Freecad

And get multi-threading working as well, please. Single thread FreeCAD is my biggest time waster at the moment.

Blogger John in Indy January 11, 2021 1:14 PM  

And don't think that any contractual privacy protections are reliable either.
A bankruptcy appeals case 5+ yrs ago held that the privacy agreement between the failed company and its users was a contract voided by the bankruptcy, and that the successor company could sell all the private data.
John in Indy

Blogger John in Indy January 11, 2021 1:14 PM  

And don't think that any contractual privacy protections are reliable either.
A bankruptcy appeals case 5+ yrs ago held that the privacy agreement between the failed company and its users was a contract voided by the bankruptcy, and that the successor company could sell all the private data.
John in Indy

Blogger d January 11, 2021 1:30 PM  

Is it not a clue when a web services company defines itself as a "conservative ... ", as did Parler, that something is amiss? Did we really need more info?

Do the proudly progressive degenerates annoint their fraud engines with such idiotic self-targeting terms?

No man has ever voted his way out from their overlords. Either the natives of Christendom will organize amongst their kind, abort their overlords, and reconstitute legitimate governments, or Christendom will continue to be gang raped unto her death.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2021 1:51 PM  

Rabid Ratel wrote:And get multi-threading working as well, please. Single thread FreeCAD is my biggest time waster at the moment.
Sounds as if you are one of those small consulting firms that should be funding some developers.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 11, 2021 2:53 PM  

"Due to their business model, sooner or later, they are going to need to sell your data."

This is the key. Somebody has to pay the bills, one way or another. I always thought Facebook blew it by not having a "Facebook Prime" model - you pay them a subscription fee, they don't sell your information.

Blogger Akulkis January 11, 2021 2:56 PM  

Autodesk has always been the retarded step-brother of the CAD world.

Blogger Eru Ilúvatar's will in flesh January 11, 2021 2:57 PM  

Wouldn't using pay to play, to coin a phrase, services also establish a trail such this?

The reason being that, similar to the driver licence in the case of Parle, you may hav a traceable paper trail via online payment systems.

Blogger Rabid Ratel January 11, 2021 3:06 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd - At the moment I have neither the means nor the time to do more than submit bug reports. When things change on my end, I will more actively support development of FreeCAD.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 11, 2021 3:39 PM  

Akulkis wrote:Autodesk has always been the retarded step-brother of the CAD world.
Yes, and it's what all the consulting engineers use to draw and exchange construction plans. It's stinking expensive and causes big problems, so a program that could reliably read and write dwg files and allow drafters to work on them would be a big deal.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 11, 2021 4:06 PM  

@rabid ratel

I don't know if it is an ongoing thing, but FastCAD used to be a cheap surprisingly good cheap AutoCAD clone.

I think there is a free NanoCAD, maybe Russian.

AFAIK there are no good knockoffs if Inventor or the other tools than are more than just geometry drafting.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel January 11, 2021 4:35 PM  

At the very least, don't sign up with your real name and don't share any personal info.

I never do.

Blogger freddie_mac January 11, 2021 4:49 PM  

Re: Cult of the Free

Working on changing from a Yahoo to Proton email address, and I seem to recall that the only way to change UATV is by deleting the exisiting subscription and resubscribing with the new email address. Is this method correct?

Thanks, and my vote for the next UATV upgrade is FAQs for Midwits

Blogger tMmM! January 11, 2021 4:59 PM  

Hm ... interesting little suit Parler has filed in Federal court up in Washington state. Three counts - Sherman anti-trust, breach of contract, and tortious interference.

Should be entertaining if nothing else, depending who/what they get for a judge.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare January 11, 2021 6:04 PM  

It wasn't hackers. It was the freaking archive.org archivists! And they didn't have to hack anything, they just did what they always do when they're determined to save a site that's going to be memory-holed...but Parler was run by a bunch of incompetent retarded cucks, so every single scrap of user data was archived. Parler did this. It's on them and their idiotic API, and their refusal to ever actually delete users' posts.

A twitter thread explaining the stupidity, with links and screencaps: https://mobile.twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1348730590074294272

Blogger GeronL January 12, 2021 11:16 AM  

I never gave Parler any such data. Maybe my old email address.

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