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Friday, January 29, 2021

SSH goes mainstream

Or perhaps viral would be a more accurate description. Regardless, the SSH has made its initial appearance in the mainstream media. It won't be the last one. 

People are mocking a resurfaced classification of men known as the 'sigma male' — a 'lone wolf' type that is equal to the alpha in the oppressive male hierarchy. 

Twitter user @LilySimpson1312 thrust the lesser-known term into the spotlight this week when they shared photos of socio-sexual hierarchy charts, a video about how 'to become' a sigma male, and the self-help book 'The Sigma Male.'

'What the f**k is going on with men,' they captioned the viral post, which has been retweeted more than 25,000 times, prompting critics to tear apart the term and the alpha/beta mythology as a whole. 

The characterization of men into two groups, the dominant alpha and the submissive beta, has been around for decades. The idea was derived from the now-debunked theory that wolf packs are ruled by aggressive leaders know as alphas. 

The socio-sexual hierarchy categorizing men as either alphas, sigmas, betas, deltas, gammas, or omegas was coined by Alt-right writer Theodore Robert Beale, who uses the pseudonym Vox Day. 

The limiting system ranks men based on their social position with other males and their ability to attract women. The alphas and sigmas are considered equal as top dogs, with the latter being seen as someone who sits outside the hierarchy by choice. 

I'm amused by how they're not only doing the real name thing, but the seldom-seen real FULL name thing. This is a media technique that is utilized to convey distrust in the individual named. You'll notice that they don't say anything about my being a publisher, a game designer, or having 8 million pageviews per month on my personal blog. But it is interesting that they would choose to actually identify me for once, although I suspect that is because, unlike the Religion Doesn't Cause War, Atheism is Autism, and the Magic Dirt memes, they don't understand how legitimate and useful the Socio-Sexual Hierarchy actually is.

Since the theme is mockery, I suppose it was deemed acceptable to identify me for once, although the author seems a bit confused as to whether the concept discredits the creator or the creator discredits the concept. Of course, what everyone seems to be missing is that the concepts are not derived from biologists playing wolf-watcher, that's merely where the labels originated. No doubt the next criticism will be that the Greek letters aren't in alphabetical order.

The SSH is actually a predictive analytical model based on observable male behavioral patterns. Its applicability to intersexual relations is actually a minor subset of its utility, even though that aspect gets all of the attention for the obvious reasons. It's extremely useful for everything from team sports to business management. One reason that our projects have a much higher rate of success than normal is that we go to great lengths to ensure that SSH conflicts are minimized when we put teams together.

No more than one Alpha per team, find a reliable Bravo or two to back him up, target and guide the Deltas, focus the Omegas on their areas of expert autism, minimize the Gammas, and leave the Sigmas alone to freestyle without interrupting the team.

Office Space beautifully explicated the Sigma's attitude to the social hierarchy.

242 comments:

  1. Ah, they've declared it "Oppressive" and "Debunked" so nothing further needs to be said on the topic.

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  2. In all the places I've worked, they try to make everyone simultaneously a Sigma and Delta. A lone wolf self starter who also follows directions and plays as a team. It's always mixed messages and leads to universal frustration, disaster, and high burnout. I would love to work in an environment that examines employee roles in SSH and builds teams on that basis.

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  3. i know the SSH is valid for a fact because it's ruined literally every movie i've ever tried to watch since learning about it. i'm constantly looking at the tiers rather than the characters, especially in movies clearly made by gammas. was actually toying with the idea of doing a video series on just that topic.
    i know alphagame is long dead along with the rest of the game blogs, but the best posts were always those on hierarchical behavior, especially the ones about the tiers in music. i wouldn't complain if there was a resurrection of those posts specifically.

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  4. "Day's hierarchy theories are most popular with incels, men's rights activists and pickup artists"

    Someone obviously doesn't understand the SSH very well if they think it's popular with omega incels.

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  5. Congrats. The cat is out of the bag now and they have no hope of containing it!

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  6. Sigmas are the best.

    Clint Eastwood types.

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    1. It's not what you think.

      People try to put them in leadership positions they don't want. Try to imagine sitting in a review with your bosses who tell you they've "identified you as fit for a leadership position with the organisation," with large beaming smiles.

      You sit there trying to show appreciation that you don't actually feel because your ambitions have been completely misread, and you know there's an decent alpha or bravo out on the floor that very minute who should be in your place instead because they are much more suited to the supervisor role up for grabs.

      A sigma doesn't even want to be in that room talking about administration-side promotions. But that situation tends to happen more often than it should.

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    2. A Bravo or Delta also may not want to be in that room no? Inconclusive.

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    3. A delta wouldn't be ID'ed as leadership material. A bravo would be a good fit in a lower level admin, sure enough, and an alpha would use it as a stepping stone to upper management. Capeesh?

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    4. That’s not how firms work. Silos everywhere.

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    5. If your claims are true why so many management failures?

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  7. The graphic is poor... It gives the impression that most men are Omega instead of Delta.

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  8. They reveal their hamsters' terror in the first sentence: "the oppressive male hierarchy"

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  9. As soon as I read your full name, I thought they're going to try to make him the bad guy. Three names. Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Boothe, John Wayne Gacy. My next thought was to see how you responded to that. I had no doubt that you picked up on it.

    Thank you for all you do to open our eyes about the pervasive evil all around us. You've certainly been instrumental in disturbing my slumber, for which I'm grateful.

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  10. They included the middle name. That's when you know you're in trouble.

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  11. This is going to sound like hyperbole, but the entire trajectory of my life made zero sense to me until I discovered the SSH. I never "ran with the cool kids", but I always have fone well with women. It never made sense to me. I always thought I was just "weird" or "strange".

    THANK YOU, VOX.

    I can say without hesitation, as a Sigma, the biggest social challenges of my life has been learning how to make peace with Alphas when I'm forced to - who are invariably convinced that you are in direct competition with them when, in fact, you are not. You really have to keep at those guys a long, long time before they trust you.

    Also - sloughing off the Gammas is a constant chore. Gammas, upon first encountering you, will almost always think that because you are not an established member of the "cool kid clique" that you are an "Alpha that is on their side". They never seem to get that you're not in the SSH at all.

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    1. Cannot those or very similar statements also be written people in other categories? If not why not? The thing is fractal and in flux constantly.

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  12. The response tweets underscore the validity of the hierarchy as most were written by gammas and omegas. Self awareness doesn't exist for them.

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  13. Only a matter of time before the SSH becomes mainstream. For things like workplace cohesion and team-building, it's invaluable.

    For Game purposes, and this is just my opinion, I've found it much easier just to classify things as either Alpha or Beta. For me, it's easier to remember which actions display lower status and which display higher status and simply leave it at that. Perhaps that's why the early professors of Game stopped it there.

    Also, is it a fair statement to say its getting harder and harder to find true Deltas? In my limited work experience, it seems like anyone who's below a Beta seems to take on a lot of Gamma qualities. Even those I thought were Deltas tend to show some Gamma tendencies (ankle-biting, sniping) given enough time.

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    1. Most true Delta's are in the working class. Good ole boys driving Tractor Trailers or doing construction etc.

      Because of college and social media many Delta's have a smidgen of secret king syndrome.

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  14. They're probably upset that degenerate homosexual isn't there. Although, putting homo under Omega or next to Gamma in parentheses would be worth a chuckle.

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    1. I think those were called Lambdas - not sure if they still wear mustaches and lift free weights

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    2. And lambdas are outside of the ssh if memory serves.

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  15. Its applicability to intersexual relations is actually a minor subset of its utility

    And this is, of course, almost entirely the focus of the "mockery", much of it coming from females. To use one of the bedrock principles of identity politics: what could women possibly know about male relationships?

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    1. Women can be quite skilled at both pitting or creating performance issues / improvements between or among men. That implies they can know a lot. Not all do of course.

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  16. "...what everyone seems to be missing is that the concepts are not derived from biologists playing wolf-watcher"

    Anyone else see 'Adam Ruins Everything' on alpha males? He took the classic gamma approach of redefine and disqualify. Adam didn't realize that the labels could just as easily be Chads (alphas) vs Adams (gammas).

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    1. Everything about that guy screams special boy.

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  17. I've been enjoying watching it all from the sidelines, how long until SSH is labeled antisemitic for detailing gammas?

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  18. Is an Omega to a Gamma what a Sigma is to an Alpha? Do Omegas choose to be outside of the hierarchy, or do they happen to be outside of it do their nature?

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  19. But it must be true because some woman scientist made algore an alpha by growing a beard. Or something.

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  20. truth will out................evetually

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  21. Is there a reliable test to help classify men who want team access and are unknown to the organizers?

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    1. Claims made in blogspot handles is a starting point.

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  22. I went on Twitter for the first time in weeks (forgive me Dark Lord) just to check and, sure enough, Lily Simpson's preferred pronoun is "They"

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  23. Can s gamma change to an omega or even delta?
    Are the Omegas a totally lost cause?

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  24. "from the now-debunked theory"
    Everything that makes me sad has been deboonked.

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  25. It's a quintessential hit piece, but such often work in ways that horrify the cockwombles who write them, and enrage their master too.

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  26. I'm guessing that self help book about Sigmas is somehow aimed at gammas.

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  27. So are men always going to fall squarely into these categories or is it situational? How much crossover between categories is there?

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    1. Watch the voxiversity on the topic. It's Fractal. In a large group Bob might be a delta, but in a smaller subset of that group, say fire team in the army, or the i.t. department in a company, he may be the Alpha.

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  28. Cue every gamma and his brother claiming to be sigma...

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  29. She left off bitchy snippy whiny lambdas. It would only be to make it complete and to note that they don’t fit. Curiouser and curiouser. Also “now-debunked” makes an appearance. The “now” implies the writer understands the readers will think it’s sound. Of course “debunked” = “It’s all true!”

    Finally, it seems a bad idea to get between a couple bravos and their objective. Likely to get bruised up even if figuratively. She gets that all wrong.

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  30. I thought that Roosh came up with the SSH? Hey, Vox, Theo, Bob, whatever you want to go by (sorry, that was a low blow), why don't you just blame it on the Armenian?

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    1. Don't you come here with your Armenian heresies! I thought we dealt with those weeks ago! (#joke)

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  31. I assume "Bravo" means Beta? Why are Delta and Gamma in reverse order?

    Who and when was wolf pack social structure debunked? Many mammals besides wolves have social groups ruled by a dominant male. Cervids and most non-human hominids (bonobos excluded) come immediately to mind.

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  32. I expect the SSH to never be accepted in the mainstream, since jews are all gammas and will be deeply oy veyded.

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  33. Ah, but now we'll see the arm chair psychiatrists/psychologists get involved to try to turn it upside down.

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  34. The tiny link back here at the bottom of the article was worth suffering the tranny nonsense and gamma "HAHAHA"ing -- http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/05/explaining-sigma-again.html

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  35. Vox: "No more than one Alpha per team, find a reliable Bravo or two to back him up, target and guide the Deltas, focus the Omegas on their areas of expert autism, minimize the Gammas, and leave the Sigmas alone to freestyle without interrupting the team."

    See? You don't NEED to answer a chat question about "the best book on biz mgmt" -- you've already synopsized it in a single sentence!!

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  36. Yes, very nice - the serial killer all-three-names treatment. You're moving up in the world, dark Lord.

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  37. As a Sigma myself, I'm really into some Ass Clown named "Siddhartha Verkataramakrishnan telling me I'm some sort of "grifter, and not John Wick!" LMFAO! Sid, if you were here, BANG! to the face, twice.

    Oh, and Sid, I got an idea for you: Make some money selling a few of those extra letters in your surname, before you challenge the likes of us Sigmas! Most of the women I know, would walk away before you got to the fourth syllable.

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    1. I love it when the moderators let a gamma loose in here to keep the Ilk on our toes

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    2. Could you imagine a sigma going “I can’t wait to tell everyone about my sigma status on a Internet forum!”

      Also they are extremely rare as I do not think I’ve ever met a real one in person, yet somehow they appear to be all over Vox’s comment threads.

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  38. I like the way they try to conflate the simplistically dumb Pickup Artist concept of just alpha winner/Chad vs beta loser/chump, with the much more nuanced and obviously applicable SSH scheme.

    Question re gamma-dom and the "secret king", is part of the problem hopelessly wanting to be the alpha, where aspiring to become a lesser Sigma might make more sense? Assuming actual talent that is.

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    1. @Newscaper312

      If you "aspire" to *anything* in the SSH you're not a Sigma. Sigmas DGAF about the SSH except as an intellectual curiosity and/or a tool to aid their interests. In fact, Sigmas just DGAF in general, unless they're interested in a subject or situation.

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  39. I like the way they try to conflate the simplistically dumb Pickup Artist concept of just alpha winner/Chad vs beta loser/chump, with the much more nuanced and obviously applicable SSH scheme.

    Question re gamma-dom and the "secret king", is part of the problem hopelessly wanting to be the alpha, where aspiring to become a lesser Sigma might make more sense? Assuming actual talent that is.

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    1. I believe Vox has covered this elsewhere, and the solution to Gamma-hood is to work on becoming a proper Delta.

      Gamma's are Gamma's because they are low status by nature but lack humility to accept that fact and thrive there, so they are insecure about themselves, causing them to project their faults onto everyone around them and causing them to presume they have virtue/talent/ability they don't have. By accepting who and what they are, and recognizing their Gamma behavior only reinforces their insecurities, they can start to build true virtue as a team player and hard worker within their limits, thus becoming a delta, maybe a bravo in smaller, low status, social circles.

      Gammas can't be sigmas because a gamma craves the belonging and validation of the hierarchy, but thinks he's owed the adulation of the alpha without having the moral (or physical) fiber to be an alpha.

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  40. Wait, your middle name is ROBERT? LOL.

    Buy seriously. Don't they know not to say the dark lord's name?

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    1. He should change his middle name to Beto -- *that* will get him respect from the Right Sort Of People!

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  41. Having lived with the SSH for a few years now, it’s amazing no one ever noticed it before.
    The pyramid may give the impression that the omegas are the largest segment of the male population. Gammas may be the largest now. At one time I think it was deltas, and they were kept from becoming gammas by the higher ranked.
    Who else notice the “debunked” magic spell.

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  42. I liked the article. The journalist did as much as she could to praise you, or develop your thesis with the needed irony. I mean any article more openly positive could have cost her her job (or would have been out of her personal Overton window).

    Yet in the end, you get a full page of reasonably positive exposure in the Daily Mail.

    P¨.S : when whill the current "Beta" be officially renamed "Bravo" ?

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  43. Of course the the top comment is an Australian shitpoast. "My wife's boyfriend tells me I'm a sigma".

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  44. Am i right that gammas are pretty much men with female mentalities? Does this mean the "wtf is happening with men" statement coming from a woman is a kind of fear of missing out reaction?

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  45. I read David Mech's book on his study of wolves on Isle Royale. It was decades ago, but I seem to recall him acknowledging the existence of an alpha male and alpha female ruling a pack. If this clarification is what the author of the Daily Mail piece means by the alpha hierarchy in wolf packs being debunked, it does no such thing:

    https://youtu.be/tNtFgdwTsbU

    All Mech is doing here is acknowledging that others had redefined alpha status to mean a status arrived at by winning combat. Alpha status can be gained by combating and defeating other males, but this typically does not happen, because full blown combat can easily end in both males dying -- not a successful evolutionary strategy. An alpha male usually fends off a competitor through displays positively correlated to strength and fitness. Such display is usually good enough in many social species to settle the issue without coming to potentially lethal blows, thereby preserving the genetic diversity of the group.

    I suspect some progressive wildlife biologists took offense at the concept of alphadom in the animal kingdom and redefined the word, as progressives all too frequently do, to advance their dysfunctional, pseudoscientific agenda.

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  46. You should discuss how aging effects each type of male

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    1. Do it yourself. You don't get to issue orders here.

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  47. This is a very early approach of course, but it would be more accurate to project a diamond shaped hierarchy rather than a pyramid, with respect to population distribution. Deltas in the middle.
    More advanced derivatives of the SSH will be developed as the understanding of it matures and reaches academically oriented people.
    One such obvious nuance is the formal gradation of the delta. In fact the whole system can be made more formal in game theoretic analysis.
    You know it will have been taken seriously once geneticist start calling for probabilities regarding an individuals chance of reaching a particular rank by adulthood.

    Analysis of the sigma will likely take far longer as researching it won't have nearly the same utility as analysis of the other proper ranks.
    I've only observed would be omegas and would be alphas eventually mutate into this off-rank for slightly different reasons.
    The sigma doesn't entirely choose to "sit" outside the hierarchy. It's arguably more of a particular social dysfunction.

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  48. I came across an interesting article about the Sigma male. I’m mostly in agreement with it. I disagree with some examples of the Sigma Male they give, such as David Bowie. Other examples I suggest are James Bond as played by Sean Connery, and Julian Assange.
    https://www.godates.co/life/traits-of-a-sigma-male/

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  49. Is an Omega to a Gamma what a Sigma is to an Alpha? Do Omegas choose to be outside of the hierarchy, or do they happen to be outside of it do their nature?

    No. Omegas are rejects who are kicked out of the hierarchy.

    Sigma = Clint Eastwood.

    Omega = Milton Waddams.

    Do you see the difference?

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  50. As to the alphas in a wolf pack being debunked, this is, unsurprisingly, an untruth. There is a state park an hour from me that has a wolf pack in captivity. They are fed dead rabbits and the like twice a week at 2pm. Anyone can come, watch, and listen to a park ranger explain their behavior. The Alpha male is deferred to and he collects as many rabbits as he likes before the rest proceed according to hierarchy. He can even leave his pile of rabbits for later and none of the other wolves dare touch them.

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  51. Debunked wolf hierarchies! Someone let the Dog Whisperer know. He’s been training dog owners how to be their pet’s alpha for years.

    No doubt the next criticism will be that the Greek letters aren't in alphabetical order.

    What is the foundation for the order names?

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  52. That which the enemy refuses to acknowledge as effective is just another tool to help us defeat them. It's especially helpful as I walk with my nephews through their teenaged years.

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  53. The lambda on the other hand is the individual who mutates by trauma induction into an odd-rank with a sexual dysfunction more so than a social dysfunction.

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  54. Is there a specific term for the all-too-common male behavior of saying things specifically formulated to earn female approval in forlorn hopes of getting laid, or even just noticed? It's not really white knighting or pedastalizing. Is it just "being a Gamma"?

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  55. Lily Simpson. Jesus H. Christ.

    Literally looks like a cross between Vicky Osterweil and Chucky ERRRRRR Charlotte Clymer.

    Maximum 2+2=negative infinity FUCK YOU BIGOT world is having yet another transvestitic exhibitionism fetishist masquerading as "Trans" "deboonking" the SSH.

    I'm not going to say SSH is foolproof or the final word on how this works, but it's a hell of a lot closer than Critical Gender Theory or what some fat fucking bald middle aged incel dressed up as Fat Katarina Witt bleats out on Twitter.

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  56. The article sounds like a woman getting hysterical that a) someone has figured out her motivations when she could not, and b) the fact that Sigmas may not be interested in her drives her crazy.

    As per so many other things Vox opened my eyes with the SSH, especially in my industry (video games).

    If there are more gamma waters out there then, I haven't found them. I'm surrounded by white knights and gammas who either are single, some sort of sexual deviant, or are ruled over by their frustrated wives. With few exceptions they are atheists, buy into the blank slate theory, and fall over themselves to hire any females who apply regardless of talent or need. Don't get me started on the 'privilege' and 'PoC' nonsense.

    There is a reason that I do not socially engage with my coworkers. Between my politics and my sense of humor I would be unemployable. Corona Chan has been a blessing in that regard.

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    1. It's endemic of the software development industry at large.

      After the brutality of this last election year, I feel the same as you regarding remote work.

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    2. Jesus, did I write this?

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  57. I think one major issue our society has right now is that the role of the Bravo has been lost for many men.

    I don't want to be the leader, but I'm too ambitious than to be a Delta. Men like me can't find a proper place for ourselves.

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    1. Check your premise. This is gamma mentality. Alphas find their bravos because they need them, they don't need more gammas flocking about.

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  58. Feels good to be ahead of the curve. We were Ilk before the first single.

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  59. Tryinghard wrote:As soon as I read your full name, I thought they're going to try to make him the bad guy. Three names. Lee Harvey Oswald, John Wilkes Boothe, John Wayne Gacy. My next thought was to see how you responded to that. I had no doubt that you picked up on it.

    Thank you for all you do to open our eyes about the pervasive evil all around us. You've certainly been instrumental in disturbing my slumber, for which I'm grateful.

    Ah, that explains the media freakout in 2008 when a certain foreigner/president was identified as 'Barack Hussein Obama.' I always thought it was the association of the middle name with the doofus in Iraq. I never made the 'assassin/serial killer' connection.

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  60. If there are more gamma waters out there then, I haven't found them.

    Comic books. I've been involved in both. Trust me.

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    1. Don't forget the education industrial complex.

      Every damned M.ed and Dr. of ed. former gym teacher masquerading as an intellectual is almost always a gamma.

      Most college professors too.

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  61. While it isn't within the original definition of the Sigma Male, Roman McClay had a perspective on it that made a lot of sense.

    He described the Sigma as the "Shaman" to the Alpha's "Chieftain". Its a useful way to view it, as it explains the Alpha's respect for the Sigma, and accounts for the Sigma's equal standing and separation from the hierarchy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qDKe0pNni8&t=8s

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  62. "Debunked" is becoming a reliable tell as "seems" and "actually."

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  63. "Am i right that gammas are pretty much men with female mentalities? Does this mean the "wtf is happening with men" statement coming from a woman is a kind of fear of missing out reaction?"

    Basically that's how I see them, females in male bodies (usually fat skinny, if not outright fat bodies, but I digress). It's why IMO, women instinctually reject them... if you were a woman (and knowing how neurotic you are) would you want to date someone just as unstable?

    Despite all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth about toxic masculinity and showing more emotion, women IMO want someone who they can rely on to calm things down and solve problems, not make more.

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  64. My HS daughter talks about as being Alpha or Beta. Beta is not used as a complement. I display an overtly alpha energy in the home, even if I wouldn't be considered alpha in other situations. They know and now they have labels.

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  65. John Wayne, as I understand it, played the Alpha. He was either the sheriff who saved the town, or he became the sheriff after he saved the town. The Alpha stays to protect what he won. He is invested in the society he helped to save.

    Clint Eastwood's characters saved the town and then skeedaddle. Sigma.

    Whoever played the sheriff's deputy was possibly Beta, but usually a Delta. Think Festus in Gunsmoke.

    There is another type deputy who was the Gamma; I don't recall exactly, but it seems like the deputy in "High Noon" was this character. He was mad at the sheriff for stealing his girl, and thought he should be the sheriff.

    The Outlaw terrorizing the town could be either a Gamma or an Alpha. Sheriff Alpha versus Outlaw Alpha.


    The members of the posse are mostly Deltas. The farm boys who join the sheriff to bring the bad guys to justice, and then intend to go back to the farm.

    Other Gammas would be the banker or hotel owner (or other residents) who resent the happy respect that the rest of the townsmen give to the sheriff.

    I am unsure who would be the Omega. The town drunk, maybe? The weird guy who lives on the putskirts of town, and mumbles to himself?

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  66. VD wrote:If there are more gamma waters out there then, I haven't found them.

    Comic books. I've been involved in both. Trust me.


    Concur. I've been on the periphery of both, and it is obvious even from there.

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  67. @LilySimpson1312 looks like a guy to me. Can anyone confirm?

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  68. What would you estimate to be the percentages of each in the general population?

    It seems obvious that deltas are the largest group, sigmas are most likely the smallest. Other than that, I really couldn’t guess.

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  69. About the only information in that article, is that sigma hispanics flip their hats up like idiots.

    Good to know.

    I've never doubted where I am on the hierarchy, a good solid delta. It seems someone named "@LilySimpson1312" has eliminated me from existence. I'm sure she knows more about the subject than some online alt-right neck beard type...

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  70. Having gamma become popular in everyday use will be helpful. To the misfortune of us Whites we have a gamma infestation and it is not an evolutionary advantage. So we identify the gammas, cut them out of the herd then compost them, all good.

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  71. @kapy53
    "Most true Delta's are in the working class. Good ole boys driving Tractor Trailers or doing construction etc."

    Ah. I don't have much interaction with working class folks so that makes a lot of sense. I'm in the IT field, myself.

    "Because of college and social media many Delta's have a smidgen of secret king syndrome"

    Yeah, the "Deltas" in the IT field are obsessed with being smart boys. Maybe their desire to be competent is running wild on them, but the amount of unsolicited advice and needless corrections is exhausting. Don't get me started on the actual Gammas, either.

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  72. VD wrote:Is an Omega to a Gamma what a Sigma is to an Alpha? Do Omegas choose to be outside of the hierarchy, or do they happen to be outside of it do their nature?

    No. Omegas are rejects who are kicked out of the hierarchy.

    Sigma = Clint Eastwood.

    Omega = Milton Waddams.

    Do you see the difference?


    But Milton burned down the office complex and stole the checks.

    Then he was going to burn down the hotel...

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  73. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”

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  74. Harambe wrote:Buy seriously. Don't they know not to say the dark lord's name?
    Say it three time backwards and he will appear. He saves a mint on airfare that way.

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  75. I often wonder what the opposite of debunk might be. Might I then say that as Vox Day's taxonomy strikes me as a reliable model of male behaviour it is thus bunked. How though can that be when bunkum and bunkoff are not terms of approbation.

    The writer is apparently a Non binary trans femme whatever that may be - she looks to me a bit like a bloke with very long hair. Amiright??? and if so how dare s/he write for the daily Mail's female section doing some oppressed women out of a job.

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  76. "Day's hierarchy is most popular with incels, men's rights activists, and pickup artists"
    I am a consumer rights activist
    honestly, the gall

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  77. I suggest another category, the Tau, a Beta-like creature who, like the Sigma, distances himself from the hierarchy. Unlike the Sigma however the Tau is not a successful lone wolf, he is instead one who is not by nature of Alpha/Sigma status but who has enough self respect and independence that he chooses exile and destitution over Beta status within the hierarchy.

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    1. That's a gamma that omega'ed hisself

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      I think I know what Taus getting at, but that's some funny shit right there.

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  78. Gammas just don't like hierarchy. No surprises here.

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  79. Oops forgot to mention, speaking of altering the hierarchy, and of womens' brains:

    Given the success of 'shades of grey,' maybe the hierarchy needs a new level on top: Helicopter Rapist.

    Peter Madsen is a recent example of the reality. Probably just gammas that make their billions, but let's not forget how much women chase the dough around. "Ooh, helicopter!"

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  80. Karen took the Kids wrote:They're probably upset that degenerate homosexual isn't there. Although, putting homo under Omega or next to Gamma in parentheses would be worth a chuckle.

    They need to contact Vox and have him tell them where to put tranny male to female athletes in the hierarchy. May have to use the French alphabet.

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  81. @SDL

    That description of Omega is DEAD ON.

    @kapy53

    Don't paint with a broad brush. For some of us, college was a necessity in terms of obtaining credentials in certain fields of employment (i.e. engineering). So I have a degree. All it means is that I'm competent enough to do my job and provide for my family. Don't need much more than that.

    As for where I shake out, I honestly don't care. Just so long as I'm able to provide, nothing else matters.

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  82. The SSH is a value-neutral tool useful for managing groups of men; I find myself using it now with any group I'm involved in.

    It allows me to both predict and control certain behaviors, in both myself and others.

    (And- it is FRACTAL. Get that straight, people.
    If you find yourself in the Delta slot- then be the best Delta you can be. If Gamma, improve yourself through brutal work. If Alpha- congrats- now you must lead and put the team ahead of yourself.
    If Beta, loyalty and usefulness to the Alpha.
    And, if you think you're Sigma- you likely aren't.)

    Lambda and Omega..good luck.

    And- as for the vile leftists at "femail"- after they've ignored you, mocked you, and attacked you.

    The only thing left, is the win.

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  83. I only started regularly reading VoxDay's stuff within the last few months. His writings and videos on the SSH have been some of the most enlightening material. The world, and where I fit into it, now makes a lot more sense to me. I am a fairly introverted person and never really quite fit into social hierarchies. However, I usually did fairly well when it came to women-especially as I got older--and am fairly successful in my career and life. I figured that made me an Alpha, but after reading VoxDay I would better describe myself as a Sigma Male. I have little desire to be at the top of the social pyramid. I prefer solitude, and generally focus my time on self-improvement. Now that I know my place, I feel more fulfilled.

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  84. @47, Vox, reading on this stuff at Alpha Game I came up with the idea that Omega is a pathology of Sigma, and Gamma is a pathology of the Alpha-Beta-Delta spectrum.

    A Gamma is a failed and twisted Alpha/Beta/Delta, who lies about his place to himself and others. An Omega is a failed Sigma, who doesn't understand how to use the SSH well enough to make successful forays into it when he wants to.

    Omegas are a lot easier to take than Gammas, and part of that is they are less twisted by their social failures. After all, the Sigma wants to spend most of his time outside the confines of the SSH, the Omega is only bitter about being on the outside of the SSH because his occasional forays into the SSH usually go badly. The Gamma is inside the SSH and constantly getting his nose rubbed in his failures.

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  85. Reading the link, they have books on how to be a Sigma male.
    Soon there will be courses and Pills that ???? and ??? to help men become them.

    I like how we can see in real time not only is the original source ignored and distorted but concept made into a cottage industry that completely misses and doesn't understand the point of SSH.

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  86. @30 "Hey, Vox, Theo, Bob, whatever you want to go by (sorry, that was a low blow), why don't you just blame it on the Armenian?"

    Time to play guess his SSH status.

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  87. But Milton burned down the office complex and stole the checks.

    What do you mean, "but"? Omegas can be dangerous when they snap.

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    1. "What do you mean, "but"? Omegas can be dangerous when they snap".

      After years of observation I suspect that the difference between gamma mass shooters and omega mass shooters is target selection and location.

      The gamma will start in the midst of the department or classroom where he thinks he was so or mostly wronged and make sure they see his face - because he's gonna "show you".
      The omega is more random or out to get "the world" generally.
      The first sign is the first few victims: was it the front desk people or dating age women in the back? And other such things.

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  88. I know I shouldn't marvel at the ignorance, but the article still doesn't understand the nature of the Sigma and how the relates to all the others. It seems to push the "you want to be a sigma because they are so cool".

    SJW snowflakes cannot seem to understand "just is" and have to put everything on a x > y so you want to be x. These sad pathetic people will never have joy in their life because they will never attain X.

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  89. Something I have not seen mentioned before is how well SSH works with Aristotles Nicomachean Ethics, the traits and virtues of men and their usefulness and place in society. Leaders, followers, the grumbling moiling midwits, and the infrequent mentions of those that are largely useless, aligns well to the model. As for the sigma I am not sure the greeks would have delineated that from alpha. A sigma may indeed have been necessary to fill the role of philosopher king.

    If there are paralleles that support your model that are 2300 years old, Its clearly more accurate and useful as a behavior predictor, one that has radically changed my perception of others over the last three or so years. And in those three years it's never been wrong. The beauty is in its simplicity.

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  90. Omegas are a lot easier to take than Gammas, and part of that is they are less twisted by their social failures. After all, the Sigma wants to spend most of his time outside the confines of the SSH, the Omega is only bitter about being on the outside of the SSH because his occasional forays into the SSH usually go badly. The Gamma is inside the SSH and constantly getting his nose rubbed in his failures.

    About the only thing wrong with this is "Sigma wants to spend most of his time outside the confines of the SSH." This is incorrect. Sigma simply doesn't abide by SSH. He may be in it or out of it an any given point based on whim.

    Problem is he is also not beholden to SSH which puts Bravo's in a precarious position should they "follow" a sigma. Sigma is not driven by the social aspect of things and thus may not give the feedback the Bravo or Delta would need where as an Alpha is on top of that. A sigma taking on the role of leadership has to think and purposefully bolster the Bravo or the Bravo will lose moral. The Alpha does moral naturally and generally will not "forgot" about the people around him.

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  91. Assuming the role of your mom and calling you down by name....btw was your mom named Karen?

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  92. How is this for a crappy SSH sports analogy?
    Football team
    Alpha quarterback
    Bravos star receivers, running backs
    Delta's linebackers
    Last two analogy gets weaker:
    Omegas - assuming even made the team, never get to play in a conference game, main utility as practice bodies.
    Sigma - I suppose real sigma would be off kicking ass solo in tennis, but in the football team, maybe a first class FG kicker who regularly helps win games, not really under the QB?

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  93. @93 - No.

    @94 - What women and gammas really hate about the SSH is they don't get to pick what they are, or what their boyfriend/husband/fuckbuddy is. That's the "right to choose" they really want.

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  94. The way to tell in IT a smart delta versus a Gamma is can they accept an order and freaking do it or do they passive aggressive and stall/delay. Spoken by the Beta who has to deal with the mess the Gamma DBA's always leave. And what is it with DBA's always being gammas......

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    1. Because gammas are all about rules lawyering. This is why they are typically the IT SMEs which DBAs are a type of.

      This is also why they are able to infiltrate and converge organizations. They know the rules well enough to exploit them to subvert the organization. The problem is once they get in charge they lack the leadership or vision to run these organizations which is why convergence is a death sentence for any organization.

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  95. ...the oppressive male hierarchy...

    Written by a woman or a Gamma (but I repeat myself).

    Oppressive. Like she thinks it's Alphas keeping the poor Deltas down. No you dumb bint, it's women who do the oppressing by rejecting guys farther down the SSH. As far as men relating to one another, the SSH is the structure that lets people work smoothly together. Like Vox mentions about deliberate team structures, Alphas need teams to carry out their plans, Betas/Deltas need leaders to make the decisions the Betas/Deltas aren't comfortable making themselves, Omegas need someone to see what they can do and not force them to do what they can't..

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  96. @18: "Is an Omega to a Gamma what a Sigma is to an Alpha?"

    In my opinion, yes. I think of the SSH as two axes, not one. There's an extrovert spectrum, Alpha to Beta to Delta to Gamma. And a separate parallel introvert spectrum. This isn't as well defined. There's Sigma (analog Alpha) and Omega (analog Gamma), but the analogs for Beta and Delta have not yet been described fully.

    The pic shown is misleading. The real world isn't pyramidal, it's more egg-shaped. A few Alphas, more Betas, a lot of Deltas. But the proportion of Gammas is LESS than the proportion of Deltas. Alphas are captains. Betas are lieutenants. Deltas are the line troops. Gammas are deserters.

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  97. @74: "Rhett Butler: sigma"

    YES! Gone With The Wind is a great case study in the difference between Alpha (Ashley Wilkes) and Sigma (Rhett Butler). Wilkes is the captain of the local militia, the big party is held at his house...he's the recognized leader. Butler is dubious about the whole idea of secession, is captain of a blockade runner, and really doesn't give a damn about what other people think. His counsel is valued...but people don't look to him for leadership.

    I'll add that GWTW is much more interesting when you realize that Scarlett O'Hara is not the heroine. She's the villain.

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  98. White supremacist and mysagonist...😂

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  99. IAMSpartacus0000 wrote:I know I shouldn't marvel at the ignorance, but the article still doesn't understand the nature of the Sigma and how the relates to all the others. It seems to push the "you want to be a sigma because they are so cool".


    You err in assuming the article is meant to engender understanding of the SSH. Just because someone pushes a false understanding, doesn't mean they don't understand.

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  100. Can s gamma change to an omega or even delta?

    Infant boys have a brief testosterone spike that coincides with a period of rapid brain development. My theory is that spike is meant to prepare their brains for the testosterone soaked environment they will exist in after puberty, and that in Gammas, somehow this spike fails to happen or is muted (maybe too much soy-based formula? Soy effectively being plant-based estrogen), and the resulting young man has a female brain that isn't equipped to handle the testosterone later in life.

    But I think it's also pretty clear that nurture has a role too - men raised by single moms or otherwise without strong male influences in their lives are more prone to be Gammas, and I think we've seen among commenters here at VP definite growth away from Gamma in several people who saw the light and made the effort.

    So if my testosterone spike theory is true, it's not the end all of it, and Gammas can get at least some better, but it takes effort. You have to want it and be willing to work for it.

    Which maybe means you weren't as Gamma as you thought to begin with, you were just taking the easy way out.

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    1. Sort of - Gammas tend to be the ones that are too smart for their own good. They have a competitive drive but tend to not fit in the heirarchy where they'd like to be. Often the last chosen on the sports team in their youth until they stop playing altogether. To compensate for their failure, they get good at something else (usually more intellectual) but because of their drive they always find ways to put it on display to a point where it's socially awkward. Instead of swallowing their pride, they continue to lie to themselves of their own import when in reality they took their ball and went home. They are highly insecure because of these traits and lash out at those who remind them of this. The best way out is to address the insecurities and pride, dispel the lies, work on improving, and seek genuine experience and accomplishment building confidence.

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  101. At 8M pageviews a month you're on track for massive YOY gains. Congrats & Good luck. I'll have to seriously revise my 2021 pageviews prediction.

    The author wants to mock, but their article is premised on males being dumb. There's no other hook but a series of harpies' screeching. It's embarrassing to read those tweets. Since the premise is neither true nor persuasive I suppose it's a matter of Simpson writing for an audience that goes looking for problems with males. I guess there's losers in every group.

    It goes without saying that Robert is a great name. I think it's worth saying since there's so many new readers. It means fame or bright and comes from Ancient German. It's particularly idiotic to make fun of someone's middle name when it's a great one.

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  102. How to be a sigma male...
    How to be a boat...
    How to be a goat...

    Forget transgender, the new cool is transsigma - just identify as a sigma and you are one.

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  104. Digger Variant wrote:If this clarification is what the author of the Daily Mail piece means by the alpha hierarchy in wolf packs being debunked, it does no such thing:

    The debunking they're referring to is the observed difference in relations between a pack of unrelated wolves thrown together in a zoo by humans, and a wolf pack in the wild, which is papa, mama, and their juvenile or infant cubs.

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  105. Nothing reveals the maternal tyranny of the current paradigm like middle-naming dissidents.

    Is it unchristian to WANT these people to take the vaccine? Is there an indulgence I can pay?

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  106. mail and femail is too binary. A new category of notackshuallyfemail would be more appropriate. Real women like my wife think Vox is admirable, as do I but in an entirely manly way, obviously.

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  107. Are the Omegas a totally lost cause?

    They can make great team members and loyal friends. Granted, they come with issues - but treated graciously they respond to extended friendship and respect. On a team they need to be kept on task. As a friend, they are very humbling, illustrating the grace of Heaven.

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  108. I was going to rec the work over at the old website about moving up from gamma to delta, that was and still is great advice, but I cannot find it. Perhaps that article as stupid as it is would draw a few decent men out of the swarm of gamma human debris to search out this website.

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  109. Create one of those hierarchies for women and do it honestly. It might be extremely interesting.

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    1. You can't do it for women these days and do it "honestly"

      Women are fish swimming in an Ocean of lies!

      "

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  110. @52 Oh my, the advantages that SSH-aware
    teenagers have over those brought up by feminists, it's hard to know where to begin.
    Feminists are instinctively aware of the SSH, but must deny it, as their drive for absolute 'equality' cannot allow it. Even when they hit their 60s and see their children have become fucked-up alcoholics, they still cling the notion "masculinity is just a myth".

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  111. I have had different positions in the SSH, so you can change to an extent. Started at delta, was promoted to beta by an alpha, slid down to gamma after losing the alpha and worked my way back to delta. From what I have seen, alpha and sigma men are born, not made, the other tiers are more mutable.

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  112. Anyone discussing the SSH lately would know we use Bravo instead of Beta now. Reverting back to Beta is probably an attempt to tie the SSH back to PUAs. Nice try, especially now that the most famous one has disavowed the lifestyle and is now a devout Christian.

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  113. Perhaps the only good thing about the Cult of Wokeness freaks is that they almost always seem to boost the signal of the thing they want to destroy.

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  114. I will always remember the day when I realized that the companies I worked for needed ME more than I needed THEM.
    There's nothing like being able to walk into your boss's office and tell him to fuck off and just walk out the door and go home.

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  115. Theodore Robert Beale! You get in here and clean your room at once! If I see one more Social Sexual Hierarchy post on this floor, young man, there will be trouble!!! - t. Female Reporter

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  116. Am I the only one who enjoy that SSH is also the acronym of the Secure Shell protocol?

    I find it amusing that it will confuse the googles of the world to no end.

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  117. How do you do, fellow sigmas?

    Okay, it's not very funny without the Steve Buscemi meme pic attached.

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  118. To fix the model ....Its the sigma placement that adds the complexities here... its not always parallel to alpha, in fact, usually is not because its not measured by the same rules as those in pryramid .. if it were the same then the sigma would be an alpha. There should be sigma betas, sigma gamma, etc... up and down the levels.

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  119. Three good examples of omegas in fiction:
    Del Griffith in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
    Mad Max after his family was murdered and thereafter.
    Sargeant Barnes in Platoon. When he snapped and shot that villager was a perfect capture of omega rage.

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  120. Didnt any of you listen to Jordan Peterson?

    Make your dang beds before you start worrying about your SSH rank!

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  121. >> Also, is it a fair statement to say its getting harder and harder to find true Deltas?

    American public school educational doctrine used to be to develop as many alphas, betas and deltas as possible. Now it's doctrine is to turn as many potential alphas, betas and deltas as possible into gammas and omegas.

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  122. > Bravos star receivers, running backs

    When I think of receivers and backs, I think of divas that undermine the team in order to gain personal kudos. In other words, the exact opposite of a bravo. Exceptions exist.

    A better example would be a player that isn't in the public limelight (typically, not a flashy position or style), but voted as one of the team captains.

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  123. Rick wrote:The pyramid may give the impression that the omegas are the largest segment of the male population. Gammas may be the largest now. At one time I think it was deltas, and they were kept from becoming gammas by the higher ranked.
    A bell curve or a diamond is a better representation of the relative ratios. The majority get by as Deltas. As a wild estimate, maybe a 10~15% of men are Gamma, and then something like 1-5% are Omega.

    The poisoned culture spreads a lot of Gamma behavior to the Deltas, but nothing a little hardship and winning won't fix.

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  124. @ Crunchy Cachalot

    -------Is there a specific term for the all-too-common male behavior of saying things specifically formulated to earn female approval in forlorn hopes of getting laid, or even just noticed? It's not really white knighting or pedastalizing. Is it just "being a Gamma"?---------

    Maybe "simping"?

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  125. Crunchy Cachalot wrote:Is there a specific term for the all-too-common male behavior of saying things specifically formulated to earn female approval in forlorn hopes of getting laid, or even just noticed? It's not really white knighting or pedastalizing. Is it just "being a Gamma"?
    A simp simps in hopes of female attention.

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  126. Also, is it a fair statement to say its getting harder and harder to find true Deltas? In my limited work experience, it seems like anyone who's below a Beta seems to take on a lot of Gamma qualities. Even those I thought were Deltas tend to show some Gamma tendencies (ankle-biting, sniping) given enough time.

    What would you estimate to be the percentages of each in the general population?

    It seems obvious that deltas are the largest group, sigmas are most likely the smallest. Other than that, I really couldn’t guess.


    @13 FacelessBro @82 Zaklog the Great
    Based upon all the Aaron Cleary rants about Millennials I've listened to, I'd bet a hundred bucks that Gammas are the most common SSH ranking among Millennials and Zoomers, with Deltas more common among the older generations. It's not a good sign for civilization.

    They're probably upset that degenerate homosexual isn't there. Although, putting homo under Omega or next to Gamma in parentheses would be worth a chuckle.

    @14 Karen took the kids
    That's Lambda, and yes, they usually appear to be Gamma on steroids.

    I'm guessing that self help book about Sigmas is somehow aimed at gammas.

    @26 Balkan Yankee
    So many Gammas identify as Sigmas that many people in the PUA community, including Donovan Sharpe, don't believe Sigmas actually exist. Sharpe even believes that a man can't be truly functional, let alone successful, without a peer group.

    I assume "Bravo" means Beta? Why are Delta and Gamma in reverse order?

    @31 Digger Variant
    Bravos aren't actually classic betas in the old-style simple alpha-beta-omega hierarchy, but would be considered lesser alphas, which is one reason they were relabeled, I'm pretty sure.

    I expect the SSH to never be accepted in the mainstream, since jews are all gammas and will be deeply oy veyded.

    @32 Unknown
    Jews have historically had a much higher incidence of Gammatude than goyim because Jewish Gammas can still be successful due to their tribe pulling strings for them, a luxury unavailable to goy Gammas.

    You should discuss how aging effects each type of male

    @46 Jacob
    My guess is that speed of development, as in whether a man is an early-bloomer or late-bloomer, is independent of what rank the man ultimately ends up as, or at least much less important than other factors such as IQ.

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  127. > men raised by single moms or otherwise without strong male influences in their lives are more prone to be Gammas,

    Maybe, but this is also consistent with a genetic explanation: men that respect order and are loyal are more likely to stay and raise their kids, and pass those traits on.

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  128. I love these threads bringing out the weirdos trying to publicly rationalize how they see themselves.
    Instead of asking a trusted confidant or mentor to analyze.

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  129. The SSH has aided my understanding of the alpha in the workplace. I've had several run-ins with the alpha, and at the time I didn't truly understand what was going on. I'm very obviously not an alpha. But they were just projecting dominance, and wanted me to be a good work-delta. Sadly, I'm not, though I've learned to fake it, to a certain degree. And yes, I understand the comment that if you think you are a Sigma, you almost certainly aren't.

    By the way, is it true that if you say 'Supreme Dark Lord' three times in the mirror, He will appear, slap you upside the head, and call you a retard? Rumor has been circulating, but I am too scared to test it ...

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  130. If you have to watch a video ore read a self-help book, then you definitely not Sigma Male material.

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  131. >> Is there a reliable test to help classify men who want team access and are unknown to the organizers?

    Give him a difficult, complex task, and ask how he would accomplish it.

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  132. Comment by gloworm, United Kingdom, at dailymail.co.uk:

    "The fact that he doesn't apparently know the right order got the first 4 letters in the Greek alphabet doesn't fill me with confidence that he knows much else."

    Vox, you genius, you.

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  133. >> Why are Delta and Gamma in reverse order?

    They aren't.

    Learn the Greek alphabet in the correct order.

    Why does nuclear physics have alpha radiation, beta radiation and gamma radiation, but delta radiation? Because they haven't come up with a fourth classification yet.

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  134. Tau wrote:Unlike the Sigma however the Tau is not a successful lone wolf, ...
    That's a calm Omega, resigned to his fate.

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  135. Starting to see people in polite society mentioning VD more.

    First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you. (Klein.) Stage seems to be between 2 and 3.

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  136. Sigma males are not equal to Alphas. "Different drum" and all that. It's more like not interested - just not interested. Apparently women pick up on that and find it intriguing, but then, what man could ever really fathom the hidden depths of the feminine hampster wheel.

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  137. Putting aside the utility of hierarchies, if someone cuts me off while I'm talking to nitpick and criticse, they're going straight in my bad books. If you're the guy who cuts people off to whine, stop doing it. We hate you.

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  138. Wait until they find out what "MPAI" means.

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  139. So if my testosterone spike theory is true, it's not the end all of it, and Gammas can get at least some better, but it takes effort. You have to want it and be willing to work for it.

    Which maybe means you weren't as Gamma as you thought to begin with, you were just taking the easy way out.


    I think you're correct because male infants are born with enlarged gonads, presumably to counteract the estrogen rich environs of their first 10 months of life. I don't know if that's the spike you're talking about but it's certainly noteworthy.

    What's more today my coworker, a former dairy farmer, explained to me that cows born in twins (rare) or triplets (newsworthy rare) with a female and male mix will produce sterile females--the womb has so much testosterone it makes the female(s) sterile. That sort of goes to show that the SSH is not primarily about sexual reproduction, but I don't know the extent of research of it in the zoological context. I should probably reread "The Territorial Imperative" by Robert Ardrey to look for clues.

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  140. "There's Sigma (analog Alpha) and Omega (analog Gamma), but the analogs for Beta and Delta have not yet been described fully."

    To some extent, yes, there are parallel lines. But "introvert/loner bravo" is *fundamentally* contradictory. Being a team player and preferring the hybrid leader/follower position is the essence of bravo, and the antithesis of sigma. As Vox has said in the past, he "struggles to even be a Delta" because it's so far outside who he is.

    Now, loner high-delta? Or something in between sigma and gamma/omega? Sure, but that's mostly a shade of success or ability, not temperament or general behavior.

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  141. Weed out and quarantine as many gammas as you possibly can.

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  142. I no longer dialogue about anything with idiots, left or right. I tell everyone the conversation is now permanently over and leave it at that. Highly recommended.

    Too busy preparing for all-out war anyway.

    Wondering if articles like that being unsigned is a new trend. Maybe someone here knows.

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  143. Hammerli 280 wrote:And a separate parallel introvert spectrum. This isn't as well defined. There's Sigma (analog Alpha) and Omega (analog Gamma), but the analogs for Beta and Delta have not yet been described fully.
    Hammerli, my thoughts on this are similar to yours. I'm not sure there really are introvert analogs of Beta and Delta.

    For the extroverts, the middle of the spectrum between obligate leader and obligate follower - the Betas and high-functioning Deltas - is going to be the majority of the extrovert population. For the introverts, there isn't an equivalent spectrum. Introverts may be able to lead or be led, but they won't do either without a reason.

    I'm going to guess that an introvert with great leadership abilities and social skills will present as a Sigma.

    An introvert with no leadership abilities and no social skills will present as an Omega.

    An introvert with modest leadership abilities and social skills will present as a Beta or Delta, when circumstances like employment force him to present himself. Most introverts can navigate the SSH well enough to get a job and a wife, but once we find a comfy slot that pays well enough we aren't likely to go looking to get promoted out of it, because we just work to finance whatever it is we care about. That means Delta if we can, Beta if we must, because introverts don't really want to have to deal with people, even if we're OK at it.

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  144. I'd bet a hundred bucks that Gammas are the most common SSH ranking among Millennials and Zoomers, with Deltas more common among the older generations. It's not a good sign for civilization.
    Depends on which batch of millennials.
    The 80s millennials maybe more Gamma.
    The 90s millennials are heavily skewed Omega.
    Zoomers are looking to be the first generation that's significantly Lambda.

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  145. The SSH stuff just suddenly appeared on twitter a few days ago. Of course everyone is a sigma.

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  147. I have found the rarest of all in larger tech companies is the bravo. It’s one of the starkest differences between startups and big enterprise.

    In larger tech companies from most common to least it’s Gamma, Delta, Alpha, Sigma, Bravo.

    In startups it is Delta, Bravo, Gamma, Alpha, Sigma.

    So why do Bravos hate big tech?

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  148. Hi Commenters here on Vox's Blog who might be new.

    I'm a reader now for 3 plus years, this blog goes back at least a decade plus additional posting and research.

    Anything Vox has said on this topic he has said already with conviction years ago.

    And then he has said it with patience.

    And then, for the non readers, he as said with contempt.

    Be a good reader.

    Lastly, my thought, the greatest value of the SSH has to do with establishing effective business relationships.

    A redundant thought, I know, for all who know.

    I might be an odd way of welcoming all of the newest of readers, but--take your licks--commenting here your are entering into the mind/ blog /space of a man that I consider more than my equal peer.

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  149. Create one of those hierarchies for women and do it honestly. It might be extremely interesting.

    Already done, long before the male SSH too. It's 1 to 10. For long-term relationships, apply minor penalties for PITA behaviors.

    You should discuss how aging effects each type of male

    There's a window somewhere in the 25 to 35 range (today's world, may have been different in earlier cultures) where Alphas have something of an up-or-out test. In a normal hierarchy, there's a pyramid of Alphas with Junior Alphas working for Senior Alphas. But there's room for a lot more entry-level Alphas than there is for top dogs. The Junior Alphas get weeded out in that 25 to 35 year old range, maybe only 1 out of 3 makes it.

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  150. I suggest another category, the Tau, a Beta-like creature who, like the Sigma, distances himself from the hierarchy. Unlike the Sigma however the Tau is not a successful lone wolf, he is instead one who is not by nature of Alpha/Sigma status but who has enough self respect and independence that he chooses exile and destitution over Beta status within the hierarchy.

    @93 Tau
    That's a real rank that I'm sure exists, but VD considers it a type of Delta. I've posited that they're the loner grade of Delta, with the other two grades of any rank of men being leader and follower (Alpha leader = true Alpha, Alpha follower = Bravo, Alpha loner = Sigma). At work, they try to pass themselves off as Delta, so that may be a major reason VD has that opinion. They do have trouble getting hired, but if they do, it's by being hand-picked by other men who recognize their qualities rather than by women or Gammas.

    That's a calm Omega, resigned to his fate.

    @162 Ominous Cowherd
    Not quite. Omegas are repulsive to women. Taus (or Delta-loners) are able to attract very attractive women like Sigmas, but are considered unsuitable for relationships. They're kind of a weird mirror opposite of Gammas, who repulse women but often still nevertheless manage to land them with their cloying social skills, like Scalzi. To put it another way, a woman will get in a relationship with or marry the Gamma but f*ck the Tau behind his back.

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  151. Everyone knows only serial killers have three names, Vox.

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  152. @174 What in the fuck is lambda?

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  153. DAMN SON wrote:i know the SSH is valid for a fact because it's ruined literally every movie i've ever tried to watch since learning about it. i'm constantly looking at the tiers rather than the characters, especially in movies clearly made by gammas. was actually toying with the idea of doing a video series on just that topic.

    i know alphagame is long dead along with the rest of the game blogs, but the best posts were always those on hierarchical behavior, especially the ones about the tiers in music. i wouldn't complain if there was a resurrection of those posts specifically.


    It really sucks, don't it? The dialogue alone betrays that the writers and producers are slimeballs. Realizing that the writer of almost EVERY movie and TV show is a pussy that doesn't understand women at all. And to later find out later that they're pathetic sexual freaks that can't honestly score a woman at all, but perverts leveraging their power to force women onto the casting couch? (See: Feminist JOSS WHEDON)

    I always thought the casting couch was more of "he's a strong and powerful man, DAMN I find him sexy!" But it is really more like Marilyn Monroe saying with disgust: "I'll never have to suck another Jewish cock again!" Desperate whores, selling themselves for camera time.

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  154. "There's Sigma (analog Alpha) and Omega (analog Gamma), but the analogs for Beta and Delta have not yet been described fully."

    To some extent, yes, there are parallel lines. But "introvert/loner bravo" is *fundamentally* contradictory. Being a team player and preferring the hybrid leader/follower position is the essence of bravo, and the antithesis of sigma. As Vox has said in the past, he "struggles to even be a Delta" because it's so far outside who he is.


    @172 Ominous Cowherd
    I see things more like this:

    Alpha rank: Alpha (leader), Bravo (follower), Sigma (loner)
    Delta rank, with leader, follower, and loner aspects
    Gamma rank, with leader, follower, and loner aspects
    Omega rank, with leader, follower, and loner aspects

    Delta leaders are like the drill sergeant in the Army. Clearly outranked by superiors. Most people he runs into think he's an Alpha, but somehow his wife is only slightly better-looking than average at best.
    Gamma leaders are those paper Alphas who have clear Gamma traits but aspire to be leaders, often using female-style passive-aggressive backroom politics to rise to the top. Or, see Harvey Weinstein.
    Omega leaders who are those who lead the group out on a quest in World of Warcraft.

    The fractal nature of the SSH comes into play in distinguishing Alphas from Delta leaders, for example. If a leader type can attract and date 8s and 9s, he's an Alpha. If his women are in the 4-7 range, he's a Delta leader.

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  155. @164 which is why sigma males can attract mentally unstable women. I've seen it as the daughter of a sigma in the grocery store with random women openly hitting on him.

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  156. We should add another category: the alpha who betrayed his people.

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  157. I have to work my ass off to stay Delta, as I was raised a Gamma. When gamma surfaces, I have to beat it down savagely ( stop lying to myself, shut my whore mouth, and remember that no one cares how smart a boy I am ).

    I do not have the required sociopathy to EVER make Sigma. An Omega who cleans up his act and carefully studies how to socially interact is the only one that can make Sigma.

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  158. There is a CBS television series called "SEAL Team" where the entire SSH is displayed. There is the Master Chief (alpha.) His beta, second in command, also known as "bravo" and he has hybrid alpha/beta qualities. There are the deltas that round out the team. When the plot isn't displaying combat missions, interpersonal conflict is created when the alphas/betas/deltas start to manifest omega/gamma traits.

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  159. Deltas can be leaders, just not good ones or natural ones. The military is full of deltas who become NCOs and end up in charge of people.
    That's why in the military you end up with a mediocre delta supervisor it can be a curse or a blessing depending on your own goals.
    Overall though, the armed services just goes by time in service and grade and if you stay in one rank too long you get booted out. So there are tons of "10 year E-5s". Mainly these are the guys who will retire at less than E7 rank and ride a desk as soon as possible. They are great at filling out reports and covering their ass.

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  160. @181 - So "one who has enough self respect and independence that he chooses exile and destitution over Beta status within the hierarchy" doesn't ring the "Secret King" alarm bells for you? What exactly is so horrific about being Beta that one would "choose" exile and destitution?

    Amazing how many guys are SPECIAL! boys who are awesome but somehow exist outside the hierarchy, so many that apparently we need to start adding subsections and appendices and exceptions everywhere, because being a dull old Delta is only for those other schlubs. That's buying right into the notion that the SSH is a "limiting system". It's also lying to oneself.

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