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Friday, January 08, 2021

Strategy vs realism

This article on the differing ontological assumptions of the strategic and realist perspectives won't be for everyone, but I think it is apt, considering the way in which so many people who are paying attention to the recent election crisis observably struggle to distinguish between strategic planning and the way events subsequently play out.

This article challenges the widespread belief that the classical school of strategic theory shares ontological assumptions with the realist perspective on international politics and foreign policy. This belief has led scholars to treat the strategic and realist perspectives as synonymous, or near-synonymous, thus unintentionally creating conceptual confusion in international studies. For instance, in an introductory textbook on strategy, the editor argues that the strategic perspective ‘is based upon the realist interpretation’ of international relations, as both ‘feature a distinctive world view based on assumptions about the nature of the political environment, the characteristic manner in which political actors interact with each other’. In another textbook, it is claimed that strategic scholars ‘share a set of assumptions about the nature of international political life, and the kind of reasoning that can best handle political-military problems. This set of assumptions is often referred to by the term realism’.

This simplified view of the relationship between the strategic and realist perspectives is also found in many original works from the last decades. Hugh Smith, for example, argues that Carl von Clausewitz belongs to the realist tradition. Moreover, Neta Crawford claims that strategic scholars ‘tend to view international relations from the [realist] perspective of anarchy in a Hobbesian sense’. In addition, Michael Williams links the strategic perspective to a ‘neo-realist framework within which it has traditionally been located’. Furthermore, Tarak Barkawi claims that the strategic perspective ‘logically entails a realist policy science of international politics’, and Isabelle Duyvesteyn and James Worrall argue that the realist ‘paradigm has formed a cornerstone of the field [of strategic studies]’. By others, the strategic perspective has even been described as the ‘military-technical wing’ of realism. 

Despite the widespread belief that the strategic perspective is based on realism, this article presents and elaborates on the argument that the relationship between the two perspectives is, in fact, ambiguous. Therefore, scholars should treat them as separate perspectives, although they do share some key similarities and overlaps. 

There are many reasonable positions one can take at the present time. Perhaps President Trump is under the control of his Deep State captors. Perhaps President Trump is in a protected location directing the US military in a surprise attack against Iran - this is genuine concern among Europeans - or perhaps the surprise attack will be on the Deep State and the election criminals. The most bizarre theory I've heard is that President Trump suffered a heart attack after the rally and died on Wednesday, and the panic that the Deep State is now exhibiting is because they are afraid that the American people will never believe their innocence and will return to Capitol Hill to seek retribution.

But the one thing you cannot say without being indistinguishable from a retard is to claim that there was never any plan. Of course there was a plan; the executive order from 2018 alone is enough to prove that there was. The mere existence of a plan does not mean that it will lead to desirable results in the end; Napoleon's plan to invade Russia shows that even a generally successful plan can end in complete disaster.

There are 12 days left. Trust the plan and trust the President or not, as you see fit, but at least try not to be a complete retard just because you've taken the black pill and are lost to despair. As for the rest of us, recall the wise words of Puddleglum. Hope, be it true or be it false, is always better than no hope.

Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things–trees and grass and sun and moon and stars, and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones. Suppose this black pit of a kingdom of yours is the only world. Well, it strikes me as a pretty poor one.... That’s why I’m going to stand by the play-world. I’m on Aslan’s side even if there isn’t any Aslan to lead it. I’m going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there isn’t any Narnia…”

I'm on Trump's side even if there isn't any Trump to preside. I'm going to live as like an American as I can even if there isn't any America.

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Blogger islanti January 08, 2021 11:25 AM  

What a lovely quote at the end. Thanks

Blogger Kingkong January 08, 2021 11:27 AM  

Trump said he will not attend the inauguration, is this significant? It seems if that Italian whistle blower comes through and exposes concretely that mass amounts of votes were changed, the american people would not stand for anything short of crossing the Rubicon. Would be fitting if the Rubicon crossing comes as a result of an Italian wistle blower.

Blogger Crew January 08, 2021 11:31 AM  

It is instructive, I think, that in trying to destroy Trump they have had to destroy a lot of the US economy, which may be what some of his opponents were seeking.

I suspect that it has hastened the breakup as well, which may also be what some were seeking.

Blogger Ultrahardcore January 08, 2021 11:31 AM  

I can feel the evil forces in America TRYING to make me despair and give up. There is a large part of me that wants to give in and feel hopeless, I wont lie. But the fact that they want me to feel this way so bad makes me not want to give in. They are DESPERATE to make us feel like the fight is over. It's not over. Even if President Trump has been defeated by his enemies and Joe Biden is President come the 20th. It's not over. I have faith in Trump but more importantly I have faith in the movement he created. We saw what it has the power to do just the other day and that is what terrifies the Deep State or whatever you want to call it. They want you to give up and go home and sit there and wallow in despair...because the other possibility is that you will not go quietly into that good night. Thank you Vox for always reminding us not to take the Black Pill.

Blogger kmbr January 08, 2021 11:35 AM  

Prather says in today's podcast no plan survives the first 5 minutes. Or something to that effect.

Blogger RandyB January 08, 2021 11:37 AM  

The traitors fear and hate Trump for many reasons. One chief reason is that their words, their wizardry, have no power over him. But that is all they have, which is why they keep reciting the magic words: "impeach", "25th Amendment", etc. Because this time, they desperately wish, the words will have power over him.

They also fear the outcome if Trump's immunity to their words spreads to the American people. And it has, and is slowly continuing to spread to more, a few at a time.

Their spells are breaking, and they are in panic.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 08, 2021 11:39 AM  

"It seems if that Italian whistle blower comes through and exposes concretely that mass amounts of votes were changed,"

One more piece of evidence on top of the mountain isn't going to change anything.

Blogger Oakthorn January 08, 2021 11:39 AM  

Good old Puddleglum. What a brick.

Blogger Shadowfax January 08, 2021 11:39 AM  

A commentator on the Darkstream last night mentioned Q's 'ten days of darkness'.

I hope we just entered them, beginning the count yesterday.

Blogger Jeroth January 08, 2021 11:40 AM  

I'm on board for twelve more days.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid January 08, 2021 11:42 AM  

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Blogger Mister Bill January 08, 2021 11:43 AM  

I like this. It's a struggle to communicate to many the notion that you have a 90% confidence something will happen, and the reply "so you think it's GOING to happen then?" Alas, pearls before swine, of a different kind...

Vox, your listing of many potential current realities regarding Trump's current status reminds me of the constant reality that things are complex and in motion. Something like the uncertainty principle seems to apply where, even if one could freeze the world and record all the facts, the fact of freezing the world would deny it its state of "motion" thereby souring the observations.

Hence the need to use these kinds of frameworks, and constantly add more and update... and "think, poo bear, think".

So thank you for another interesting piece to read.

Blogger stevev January 08, 2021 11:44 AM  

Not giving up. Don't intend to. Haven't, however, reached past the point of observing a fearsome horizon, to a state of joyous hope. All I have is my resolve, and this year has shown me how inadequately I have treasured and nourished and encouraged its growth.

Blogger Duh January 08, 2021 11:44 AM  

I find it hard to fathom that Trump doesn't have a backup plan for when Pence cucked.

To me it looked like a last ditch effort to solve this through legal means. Now there is nothing left but crossing the Rubicon

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid January 08, 2021 11:47 AM  

End quote is killer, the USA is not necessary for Americans to survive and thrive. I look forward to the reversal of so many decades of demoralization. If the plan succeeds we gain a massive morale explosion, if the plan fails our demoralization will be replaced with a hardened and cold resolve. Either way, the plan has already given Americans critical support for the coming conflict. The doubters are chaff, shills or enemies.

Blogger xevious2030 January 08, 2021 11:48 AM  

Ultrahardcore, glad to have you on our side.

Blogger Pedro the Cat January 08, 2021 11:48 AM  

When World War I came to a close, there was a great sigh of relief by the nations who even called it "the Great War", or "the War to end all Wars" and even set up a League of Nations, even as plans were being made by some, and WWII became a reality. When that war came to a close there was a great sigh of relief, even though plans were being made by Satan and his minions for more war, and the Korean War came only 5 short years later. After that war came to a truce, only a few more years later and Vietnam was in the spotlight for the Evil One, and many killed. The point is that the fight is never over in the contest of Good vs. Evil, it is a daily struggle in a personal sense and a corporate sense. We must be faithful individually until the culmination of history or the grave, whichever comes first. In either case God will have His Will.

Anonymous Anonymous January 08, 2021 11:48 AM  

"I'm on Trump's side even if there isn't any Trump to preside. I'm going to live as like an American as I can even if there isn't any America."
Beautiful.....Me too.

Blogger FUBARwest January 08, 2021 11:49 AM  

Theres no reason to give into despair. Trump was never stopping the eventual balkanization. There are 12 more days to watch what happens. Even if the plan has failed or wasn't executed come Jan 21st the exposing of the Uniparty for everyone in the country and world to see is an accomplishment in itself. Nobody can deny it anymore and the Republican Party is dead. A known enemy is better than a hidden one pretending and while it's bitter sweet that's a victory nonetheless. Hold tight until the 21st.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei January 08, 2021 11:50 AM  

I have made a connected observation to my students that I even if I am the last person teaching the classics, the good, and western history, I will keep it up until God takes me. Being out numbered in my profession has no basis on the truth of what I teach.

Keep living on the right side, even if it no longer exists. Time moves. The cycle repeats.

Any kingdom long united must divide. Any kingdom long divided must unite.

Blogger budbrewer January 08, 2021 11:52 AM  

Trump as Aslan--I like it. Thanks.

Blogger An Orthodox Christian January 08, 2021 11:53 AM  

Ultrahardcore wrote "... I have faith in the movement he created". While he's been a lightening rod for it, Trump did not create it. You and millions of likeminded Americans have and will carry on, Trump or no. And I would be remiss in not recognizing the role our host here has played as a humble consumer advocate.

Blogger Giraffe January 08, 2021 11:53 AM  

Flynn:

https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1347584790443270150

Could be interpreted as: There was a plan, and it didn't work out.

Anonymous Anonymous January 08, 2021 11:55 AM  

I've learned to be cold and patient in trying times - as of today, there's nothing to do now except wait on word from the commander. In the meantime... standin by

Blogger yohee January 08, 2021 11:57 AM  

Well said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UchtCa1uQqk&t=1s

Blogger RadixMalorum January 08, 2021 11:57 AM  

Historically revolutions can only happen when there are 2 things in place. One is the support of a subset of elites and the other is the will of the people backed by violence or threats of violence.

A vast majority of US elites have been captured/replaced by subversive interests and have no loyalty to the US. I think things will simply increasingly get worse until people finally have nothing left to lose and you get a people's revolution.

What's been happening mirrors the fall of the Han Dynasty of China fairly closely.

A corrupt bureaucratic deep state (the imperial eunuchs) subverted the power of the emperor and enriched themselves while the people suffered.

The last attempt at reforms came from Marshal He Jin (crossing the Rubicon), but he was assassinated in the Capital by the bureaucrats like Caesar.

His lieutenant Dong Zhou at that point and seized the capital, killed all the eunuchs and bureaucrats that opposed him, and setup a puppet emperor.

That led to the balkanization of China and the 3 kingdoms civil war that killed 36 million people, which even back in those days were staggering numbers.

I see this history being replayed in the US in the coming decades. This isn't a bad thing since I think the US could stand to purge itself of all the filth that has been built up all these decades.

All that suffering and adversity will create a hardy and determined people that could do great things in the distant future.

Adversity breeds strength. Prosperity breeds complacency and weakness.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 08, 2021 11:57 AM  

@4: "I have faith in Trump but more importantly I have faith in the movement he created. We saw what it has the power to do just the other day and that is what terrifies the Deep State or whatever you want to call it. They want you to give up and go home and sit there and wallow in despair...because the other possibility is that you will not go quietly into that good night."

Agree 100%. The Populist Conservative movement HAS to be bigger than Trump or any other individual. That's where the staying power comes from.

The old Buckleyites defined "conservatism" in purely negative terms - as opposition to this or that. The new Populist Conservatism must stand FOR ideas and policies.

And it would behoove us to get to thinking about those. The 2022 campaign begins here and now. And I want it to be a replay of that glorious night in 1994.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 08, 2021 11:58 AM  

A certain Mike Tyson quote comes to mind. Maybe a wide scale AAR on the Trump years is in order, what went right, what went wrong and all that stuff.

As for despair, chucking the idea of the American Empire overboard has helped me. Naive me thought the collapse of the USSR might bring that about but that criminal GHWB disabused me of that utopian idea. I grew up in small town Illinois nothing great but it was wonderful for me, gone now, thank you Empire. It is collapsing and with the criminals now set to rule the roost completely come Jan 20th the vultures will swoop in and piece it out like a bankruptcy sale.

I just hope the days of magic conspiracy theory are coming to an end.

Blogger Angela January 08, 2021 11:58 AM  

Thank God almighty for your wisdom.

Blogger Emmanuel January 08, 2021 12:00 PM  

"Perhaps President Trump is in a protected location directing the US military in a surprise attack against Iran - this is genuine concern among Europeans"

Wait, what? Seriously? Man, how paranoid and out of touch do you have to be? The guy pretty clearly doesn't give a shit about Iran and doesn't like starting wars and yet europeans think he gives a shit about Iran and starting wars because... daffodils?

Blogger Homesteader January 08, 2021 12:00 PM  

Amen.

Anonymous Anonymous January 08, 2021 12:00 PM  

Yes, many possibilities, including that the plan is running as, well, planned. Funny that people think that something this complex and steeped in intrigue and power politics at the highest level should all play out obviously and in plain sight. And so much so that any old Joe/Jane could understand and follow along. Absurd. That all applies for the whole of his term as well.

Another possibility is that key players have gotten cold feet. How hard is it to believe that he ultimately couldn't find/put enough people in the right positions that have the enormous courage and balls it takes to stand against the world. If anybody thinks this would be easy, they're seriously deluding themselves.

The man can't do it by himself.

Here's to praying that this is not the case, and that his forces are with him and have executed excellent OPSEC, thus keeping us in the dark, as it should be.

Blogger Taignobias January 08, 2021 12:02 PM  

The Scriptures say, "Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." And, also, "Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."

This despair is evil and of the enemy.

Blogger The Ornery Pirate January 08, 2021 12:04 PM  

Flynn's message could also be interpreted as stay calm.

Blogger LM January 08, 2021 12:04 PM  

> Of course there was a plan; the executive order from 2018 alone is enough to prove that there was.

The question is whether this executive order was part of a distinctly different plan, namely Agenda 2030. It's unpleasant, but Q as a delaying psy-op makes a huge amount of sense.

If Harris does win, I think the silver lining is going to be the realization of Americans that the system cannot be saved. I don't see it as a black pill of despair at all, merely the recognition that no one is going to ride to our rescue and we have to save ourselves. Jan 6th was the first time that American citizens finally protested government insanity! And it only took the complete destruction of our economy and removal of all civil rights and huge election fraud! So I think Jan 20th will be the start of the struggle of the Western Civilization versus the GloboHomo Banker Uniparty, not the end.

Also, I was in California recently and talked to some liberals. Most of them think that our political system has gone off the rails too, although of course they differ in many ideas on how to fix it! Of course, some of them are hopeless, but I expect the 2020s to be a battle of ideas, not guns, and ultimately we have to find some way to convince them. Remember, they are just watching a different movie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYZ__Ww02c

Blogger Drew January 08, 2021 12:06 PM  

It's the same people who thought Y2K was much ado about nothing. A threat averted is not a false threat.

Blogger Theodoric January 08, 2021 12:07 PM  

That mindset of not giving up and focusing until the end is something the honest blackpillers can’t understand. It doesn’t matter how bad something looks while it’s happening; you take notice and adjust accordingly while still moving toward the goal.

A wise kung fu master (real world) once said in broken engrish something like this to me: “while doing your form or facing an opponent, do not be distracted by what’s happening around you; the cars driving by, the cute girl on the bike, a loud BANG!; focus, calmly clear your mind and be natural in your breathing. You must be as if you are in the eye of a hurricane. Everything around you may be chaos, but you remain in control of yourself, in control of your impulses and reactions.”

The black pill just seems increasingly stupid and wimpy. This was always about the people taking a look at the score card that has been kept out of their sight, finally seeing it, and then collectively realizing they have been being lied to for a very long time. It’s about the people shaking off the parasites that demoralize them and that do everything in their power to keep them from the good, the beautiful, and the true, while offering the inversion.

One more anecdot for you fellas. We used to have a break room at the office that had a set up for street fighter 3. One of the other employees and myself would regularly go a few rounds; pretty closely matched. One advantage that I always had that led me to victory more often then him was that I wouldn’t give up no matter low that health bar got. I would make come backs from a jabs worth of life left. Where he regularly would toss the controller or ask to reset the moment things started looking bad for him. He was technically better than me, but my basics were more on point. This difference in mindset is what led me to consistently have more victories overall then him.

We don’t know what will happen, and there is no point in indulging in hopelessness and fear, no matter how many gulags spring up around you.

Blogger Leoric January 08, 2021 12:07 PM  

Great post. No despair here even if there may be some disagreement. Looking forward to all the new projects and for us to keep fighting for the good, the beautiful and the true.

Blogger binks webelf January 08, 2021 12:07 PM  

Puddleglum the Marshwiggle is my spirit-animal. And C.S. Lewis' book 'The Silver Chair' is his answer to Orwell's 1984, and to Stalin & Mao-- do not despair & surrender to appearances, or even real oppression, but hope in God & His providence, greater than all earthly tyrants, obstacles, and even seeming defeat.

Good Friday was not the final word, and that makes all the difference.

“Don't you mind," said Puddleglum. "There are no accidents. Our guide is Aslan; and he was there when the giant king caused the letters to be cut, and he knew already all things that would come of them; including this.”

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/1419727-the-silver-chair

Blogger Barbarossa January 08, 2021 12:15 PM  

None of the factors that brought Trump victory in 2016 have been resolved. Removing Trump from the picture doesn't help the globalists anymore than assassinating the Gracchus brothers helped the Optimates. If anything, actions like electoral fraud or impeachment coups are signs of weakness and fear. And once those actions are taken, it hardens attitudes and causes men to look for other solutions. The battle continues.

Blogger Arthur Isaac January 08, 2021 12:15 PM  

Binary thinking is that it is either:

A:Trump wins!!

or

B:Blackpill...

Blogger OVB January 08, 2021 12:16 PM  

For those commenting on Trump and Flynn’s tweets indicating that the plan has failed, consider one last possibility: that the double envelopment is real, and that they are seeing the seeds of a public belief that Trump is in full retreat. It would indicate that everything that Trump required public support for has been accomplished, and all that is left is for everyone to believe he’s beaten. Maybe it’s a lo mg shot, but you’ve stuck with him this far. What’s two more weeks of hope, in the grand scheme of things?

Blogger The World War II Fanatic January 08, 2021 12:17 PM  

Douglas Murray cucks out!

https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1346970817200967682

Thank you Vox for not choosing the path of some cowards and frauds

Blogger Matthew T January 08, 2021 12:17 PM  

Excellent; that's my favourite scene from Narnia. Blackpillers also don't miss Charlton's post the other day about the dangers of the palantir (or smartphone) - it does not tell you everything.

I wish to point out something else, regarding the military, and the possible upcoming use of it. People who have no experience with it often think the military is well-organized and efficient. Well... it is and it isn't. Sometime last year a buddy of mine in the military was griping to me about the 14-hour Saturday meeting he had over dealing with COVID.

The point is, I can absolutely picture what kinds of meetings might be going on right now, tossing back and forth different plans, communicating with or probing the enemy, and so on.

Patience and faith. Something weird is going on.

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen January 08, 2021 12:20 PM  

There will be war with or without Trump. With Trump, it will not necessarily be a war to the knife. Without Trump, the Democrats will be vindictive in their initial victory, and the backlash will be terrible. The 2002 DC Beltway sniper attacks will pale by comparison. That was just two snipers. What would happen if it was 100 or so? DC would effectively be under siege.

Blogger WendyRaf January 08, 2021 12:21 PM  

Good old Puddleglum. That passage came to mind a few days ago. We're reading Two Towers to the kids now. This is not a time to despair. Media are misleading palantirs bent on sowing discord and dispair.

Blogger ZhukovG January 08, 2021 12:21 PM  

Amen.

Ad Victoriam, Deo Vindice, Ave Caesar Trump!

Blogger Erich Schwarz January 08, 2021 12:21 PM  

"To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115

Two days ago, Trump was Tweeting energetically, "If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency." Now he's saying he won't be in Washington for "the Inauguration". If that change isn't a fatal sign of defeat, what is it?

One might question whether Trump himself did or did not Tweet this -- like the atypical Trump speech posted by Twitter Media Studio yesterday, it doesn't match his style -- but it certainly does not read to me like the final move of a winning N-dimensional checkmate. It reads to me like Trump still had live options as late as January 5th, but had completely lost them by the end of January 6th. Whether he himself wrote this latest Tweet or had it written for him by some Deep State minion is irrelevant.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 12:27 PM  

Deepstate won this round?

Flynn calls for surrender?

Interesting. You sure that's real?

Blogger Sam January 08, 2021 12:29 PM  

@ Giraffe. Trump has been following the passion week narrative to a T thus far. I expect him to appear "dead" for at least three days, and for his closest allies to give the same indication.

Call me crazy if you want. The parallels are beyond coincidence.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 08, 2021 12:29 PM  

@Giraffe
Re Flynn message as acknowledging defeat,

It's possible the rally the 6th was the final effort, have massive numbers outside to increase the heat on Congress. It certainly was the last opportunity *within the system*.

Breaking into the Capitol and disrupting the sessions, whether unfortunate accident or enemy jiu-jitsu, changed the dynamic negatively: fired up the core but alienated the middle whose apathy if not sympathy you need. Be very curious to hear Lind's 4GW take on it. There was always talk about not shocking the normies prematurely w proof of all the corruption, but shocking them by violating the process and going fully outside the Constitution was always an issue too, likely the greater one.

Almost half the country thought the election was stolen, but only a fraction of that would support completely tearing up the Constitution.

I've been saying Trump was trying to reform and restore, not overturn, and holding back all the alleged slam dunk evidence until after the final bell never made any sense.

So the 2 premises to question, at least come the 21st, are
1. Did the good guys ever really have all the smoking guns and skeletons early on?
2. Did Trump ever have a high powered white hat faction within the system fully behind him?

Fat lady hasn't quite sung yet, but she's clearing her throat.

Blogger Opus January 08, 2021 12:31 PM  

As I rather feared the events of the last forty-eight hours have encouraged the Brexit remoaners to reemerge - though for them it is happily too late. I can only be grateful that election fraud where I am is either very small or inconsequnetial and I would have thought very difficult to achieve by reason of our system and by reason of our largely homogenous nation. We cannot abide cheats - which is why in the World Cup we always win the fair play award. The inportant thing is not the winning but the competing.

What I have experienced since 2016 even where I live are people who spew bile when they hear the word Trump - people who are not American or who have ever visted its shores. I have never understood what it is that they so dislike about Mr Trump and have then calmly enquired what it is that they so dislike. The reponse I have recieved and I understand this is not uncommon is a foaming at the mouth th no coherent syllable being formed. This is very strange and as such people fail to answer my simple question I have been left with just two possible conclusions. They either, 1. have no idea what it is about Mr Trump that they so dislike or 2. they know perfectly well what they dislike but to say what that something is would be for them a matter of shame. I feel that 2. has to be the correct explanation; that there is something in their hearts which would cause them great embarrasement to utter and would reveal them in a most unfavourable light. What that something is I do not know but at least one of the seven deadly sins come to mind as a possible candidate.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 12:36 PM  

Looks like "the plan" failed. Trump's probably dead.

Matthew 9:12-13

But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Blogger Leo Littlebook ID:16216229492837658552 January 08, 2021 12:46 PM  

Trump's latest two tweets promise he will not attend the Inauguration and his followers will not be disrespected. The obvious implication is that the stealection sting will conclude at the Inauguration, with the perps arrested holding a fake presidency. Just thinking about it makes my neck itch.

Also, I hope I'm not stupid enough to believe that Trump would legalize execution by firing squad only to allow Cocksucker Kamala and Ilhan Omar to line his allies and family up against the wall. How did "can't stump the Trump" become "Trump the chump"? The RINO incumbent advantage allowed them to force a Rule 9 cuck cabinet on Trump. But now Trump has 4 years of incumbency.

They've played the last-minute surprise on him repeatedly. What do you think he's going to do back?

https://littlebook-ghost.nfshost.com/more-suckers-fall-for-trumps-fake-concession-aggression/

Blogger KBuff January 08, 2021 12:47 PM  

Beautifully put. That is the only way American ideas survive.

Blogger Ceasar January 08, 2021 12:48 PM  

We will find out if the truly serious and patriotic are still running our military. There is no way you can allow this election fraud to stand and still say you are upholding your oath as a military person. Just do your damn job. Trump or not.

Blogger kurt9 January 08, 2021 12:49 PM  

I'm on Trump's side as well, unless the European fears are correct and he attacks Iran. This is literally the only thing that would have me turn against him. However, I think unlikely given that he PREVENTED two deep state attempts at war with Iran little over a year ago.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 12:49 PM  

This is only speculation but I'm pretty sure based on the signals from "Trump", Flynn, and others that Trump is dead and the plan failed.

Pure speculation.

Blogger WeArePerseus January 08, 2021 12:52 PM  

An interesting note is that Flynn is quoting Deut 6:4-9. Verse 1-4 are the setup. The preceding verses talk about crossing the river Jordan.

Blogger Dean Haskins January 08, 2021 12:52 PM  

If you'll examine the World Chess Championship of 1972, where we are might become clearer. I believe game 2 has ended, and game 3 has begun.

1. Feign Defeat
2. Deflect and Distract
3. Strike

https://youtu.be/_CHdt2qRLj8

https://youtu.be/-R6q70LTidY (this is why Trump tweeted that he won't attend 1/20)

https://www.facebook.com/100054741300690/videos/211066054061437/

It's an epic masterpiece!

Blogger Thoremius January 08, 2021 12:54 PM  

If Biden gets to the WH, how compromised is he with this election? Every major player out there is going to know how his team got there. Internationally, does this strengthen his position, weaken it or would it not matter? I mean if every one knows, he cant be blackmailed over it, but I cant imagine it's going to engender any trust either. What interesting times we live in.

Blogger RadixMalorum January 08, 2021 1:00 PM  

KBuff wrote:Beautifully put. That is the only way American ideas survive.

American ideals only survive when Americans do. Heritage Americans are increasingly diminished. Perhaps these ideals were never fit for long term survival considering how quickly their system got subverted.

The coming days of adversity will create a new, better American that's hopefully less tolerant of subversion and filth. Either that or Americans will fade away into the dustbin of history quietly like the settlers in South Africa.

Either way it's a good outcome since what has happened will serve as a learning opportunity for those that follow in the future.

The most important part is probably to record these events as accurately as possible because you can be sure the prometheans are already busy writing up their false narrative into their authorized history books. The fight never ends.

Blogger Emmanuel January 08, 2021 1:03 PM  

https://www.facebook.com/ashland.liberty.9/videos/211066054061437/

This needs to get more traction, stat!

Blogger budbrewer January 08, 2021 1:03 PM  

@34. Taignobias

Exactly. This is the source of hope, and what VD is getting at. The hoped-for outcome may not transpire, but nevertheless the hope--in the source of all goodness--is never false come what may. Of course, another name for this kind of hope is faith. May God grant us all that.

Blogger JWM in SD January 08, 2021 1:03 PM  

I think they did and there either wasn't the will to present it on the 6th (Pence betrayal) or it really was in Nashville on the 25th.

Blogger Warunicorn January 08, 2021 1:04 PM  

"I'm going to live as like an American as I can even if there isn't any America."

This. I want this on a shirt. lol

Blogger Captain Barnacles January 08, 2021 1:04 PM  

I don’t claim to know what is going on, or what will happen.
I know I trust Vox,
and I know that whatever is happening, it is not what it seems. It also isn’t fully played out yet.

I also know that if Biden gets inaugurated, he will never be my president. He is a demonic, illegitimate traitor, and I will never relent, ever.
Instead, I’ll sit back and laugh, as the new administration puts its own people up against the wall. Watching all that energy from leftists culminating with a war in Syria, or something similar, will be an experience.

Blogger Crew January 08, 2021 1:04 PM  

Did anyone really think Congress was not filled with Cucks?

Blogger A M D G January 08, 2021 1:05 PM  

I believe there is a plan, but whatever it is it will be extremely complicated:

http://www.tdaxp.com/archive/2005/07/20/dreaming-5th-generation-war.html

Blogger My Shield Is Disgust January 08, 2021 1:06 PM  

As John C. Wright reminded us in Awake in the Night Land...

The days of light were not a myth.

Blogger Rick January 08, 2021 1:07 PM  

I stopped reading after “As I feared..”

Blogger Salt January 08, 2021 1:07 PM  

Thoremius wrote:if every one knows, he cant be blackmailed over it

Everyone knows. This is akin to Al Capone being elected Mayor of Chicago.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 January 08, 2021 1:07 PM  

Amen amen amen.

Blogger Gator McCluskey January 08, 2021 1:09 PM  

@55 Your concern is noted.

Blogger Arthur Isaac January 08, 2021 1:09 PM  

Before the Rubicon, Rome had the Gracchi, Saturninas, Pulcher and Marius.

Julius Caesar watched and learned.

A feature of populares failing to take all the steps end in their destruction. This is a necessary education for those who follow.

Blogger Noah B. January 08, 2021 1:11 PM  

I don't believe there is a single plan, I believe that Trump and Flynn have gamed this out to the best of their ability and are reacting to a fluid situation. And Trump isn't any deader than Paul McCartney was when the Beatles released the White album and the people claiming this are freaking out like a bunch of teenaged girls. The DS would never say the sorts of things that are showing up in his Twitter feed about his voters not being disrespected. Is their master plan to deepfake and Weekend at Bernie's him for months or years?

Blogger Fargoth January 08, 2021 1:12 PM  

Look at your own spiritual lives. I know I'm more disciplined, more grateful, and more content today than I was four years ago. Whether or not he was truly "on our side", Trump oversaw a great quickening in our country's history. I hope he is alive right now.

We have so much more to look forward to, especially those of us who grew up as gamers. The contest that awaits us will determine the next three thousand years of life on the North American continent. Look at our opportunities.

Blogger Silly but True January 08, 2021 1:15 PM  

Democrats have confirmed they will quicky impeach Trump a second time, as if that’s the US’ most pressing issue.

Tell me again why anyone should work with these people?

Does anyone have any good argument against why the time non-Democrats get House majority, why not go ahead and impeach Obama _six million_ times?

Blogger Jack Ward January 08, 2021 1:17 PM  

12 days. I'm not sure it will be only 12 days left. One question and I know it really cannot be answered from where we observe, just how many days/time would be required to fully activate any military plans President Trump and General Flynn have made or, if activation is underway [I certainly hope so!] will the results meet a dead line of Jan 20? That's why I think limiting it to a cutoff of Jan 20 is short sighted. In the old days, Constitution was talking about some time in March. This, no doubt, due to travel times and info lag in colonial times. So, if you had to have a cutoff, and, I would not think that Trump operating at these levels of risk and benefit, would worry much about cutoff dates, when what would that be? One year, 2022? What happens come Jan 20 and biden is sworn in, starts issuing orders to a military that, for the most part, ignores him? As long as Trump and team keep their cool and nerve, there is no cutoff.
He who controls the trained and organized men and weapons controls the result. I can almost guarantee that no launch codes will be given to biden and his crew premature to all hope gone for Trump. And, maybe not then. Always remember that Putin has repeatedly stated that Russia would not tolerate America going full socialist. He made statements about surgical nuke strikes against US military targets only, to minimize civilian casualties. If Trumps falls the military, if still sane, would contact Putin and let him know that his socialist enemies in America do not have launch codes and will not be given them under any circumstances short of a verified launch warning on incoming missiles from Russia.
Just as I would never bet against VD, I would never bet against Trump. Or, ultimately, the American people. What was it again; 30% or so of us made the revolution against the english king work?
I so hope, some day VD writes the definite history of these times and this new revolution we are having.

Blogger liberranter January 08, 2021 1:18 PM  

Of course Trump won't attend a Biden/Harris inauguration. Why on earth would he confer a stamp of legitimacy upon the fraud-based coupd'etat that overthrew him?

Blogger Balam January 08, 2021 1:19 PM  

One comfort is the long lived rumor that Trump was approached by military forces to be their face against the deep state. It would mean that if Trump is captured they're working on getting him out and if Trump is dead the plan moves on without him via that military body seeking vengeance and completion.

Recall Q's long held dream from nearly day 1: to destroy the credibility of the media which is necessary to push through the legitimate removal and punishment of the deep state. Not just get some people to be skeptic, but to shatter them so that it can never be used as a deep state organ for generations. Trump being deepfaked for weeks may finally do it. I prefer Trump to be alive but the cognitive dissonance is normie-ville from Q team showing Trump's assassination and dead body would rock history. Of course Trump himself emerging from the bunker or a CIA dungeon with the obvious torture scars to dispell the deepfake would serve well enough.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 08, 2021 1:19 PM  

Were now free of 'Murica and all of its failed - even suicidal - ideals.
So any plan that involves going to the past, or "conserving" anything, is already poor strategy out the door.
I would say that is the reality.

Blogger MarioM January 08, 2021 1:20 PM  

If the plan failed Trump is the one to blame most. When I work on a project and it fails I do not blame my team, I do not blame others that might have worked against me. I explain and take responsibility. I did not consider all the dangers and it's on me.

Blogger 'Reality' Doug January 08, 2021 1:22 PM  

A better metaphysical argument for sex dolls I have never read. Paging TFM…

Blogger Ingot9455 January 08, 2021 1:25 PM  

Just for amusement, Here's the presidential line of succession:

1 Vice President Mike Pence
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi
3 President pro tempore of the Senate Chuck Grassley
4 Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

If 1,2,and 3 are arrested on Jan 20th, who is temporary President?

Blogger 'Reality' Doug January 08, 2021 1:27 PM  

A better metaphysical argument for sex dolls I have never read. Paging TFM…

Blogger Blondie Callahan January 08, 2021 1:29 PM  

I can't envision them taking Trump out. After the Capitol episode certainly they understand Trump yields a tremendous amount of power with us. I do believe if he gave us the order we would comply, and I believe the DS knows this. Is that to say I believe they will roll over, no, but nor do I think they will take him out. All it means is what I said above, if Trump dies for some mysterious reason I am thinking civil war 2.

I think many of us here agree that Trump was a band aid to hold off the eventual fall of the empire. I was really hoping, and still am that Trump can fix the empire without the complete fall before rebuilding.

If you can try to move to small town America, I can tell you that it is a different world out here. Yes there are cucks and the like, but there are patriots everywhere. If I had no communication via the web I would know nothing of all of this leftist bullshit, their narrative. Rural America is where the power is in this country when the eventual war starts, we grow the crops, we have the cattle, we have the weapons and know how to use them. I am in no fear.

As stated by our host, I will continue to live as an American and I will always be on Trumps side.

Blogger LoneWolf January 08, 2021 1:30 PM  

"Perhaps President Trump is in a protected location..."

He needs to be if he proves to be duplicitous in this election atrocity. We're waiting, President Trump. This is over on the 20th. If you were sincere in the things you said then you will act to stop our enemies from taking us over. If you were not sincere...

Blogger kulicuu January 08, 2021 1:32 PM  

Sometimes an oversimplification can encapsulate the salient.

Either the cat in the box is dead or the cat isn't dead.

If Trump is captured, this is because of a military loss. (There are no generations in warfare, all the 4th, 5th, and 6th--18th generations' attributes are mentioned in such as The Art of War: psyops, false-flags, supply-disruptions, bio-warfare, it's all been around throughout history. What has transpired since the 19th century is mass industrial machine tech, and then info-tech, but these just provide distorted manifestations of already-existing dynamics, not new 'generations'. Anyways...)

Think commandos, like the WW2 roughnecks, or even GI Joe, you know, "Now we know, and knowing is half the battle!" If Trump lost it's because his team got whacked on SIGINT and then wacked in gross kinetic terms.

If Trump is alive and in command, it's because his team is healthy in military terms, they have successfully defended thusfar all contentions, in electronic, intelligence, and kinetic dimensions.

Simple probabalistic kind of eignen-metaphor: The Schrodinger's President.

My money is on: They're feigning defeat, still in command, preparing something. However, I'm at least a third convinced he's already Romanoved and they're having fun with the deep-fakery.

You can forget all the subtleties now as you try to puzzle out if Trump is still alive and in contention or not. It's not about narrative or spin or public opinion now. It's about bullets and steel, raw intel, truth and reality. It's pure military now, and forget all the fancy ideas on that. Tech sure, EW sure, but hybrid superstring manifolds of Bukaroo Bonzai multidimensional fuckery is worse charlatanism than like Zizek and like Delanda or Derrida. Read John Boyd the Air Force dude. He's good. Read John Keegan the British Navy guy. Miyamoto Musashi. Gilles Deleuze has a wonderful little book called Treatise on Nomadology: The War Machine, which gets into the anthropology and deep-psych of military ethos. What Musashi says about carpentry resonates very nicely with the notion that professionals obsess over logistics. Kinetics even is a branch of logistics. Intel is a kind of logistics. It will always be kinetic, and it will always be psychological, about perception. Kill the pompous vapid theorizing and posturing.

What is going on right now with Trump is a purely military affair. Whether the population becomes part of that equation remains to be seen.

Blogger Hal January 08, 2021 1:37 PM  

I still do not distrust Pence. If wrong I'll eat crow, whatever that means.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli January 08, 2021 1:39 PM  

Unknown wrote:Confinement in a jail as mentally ill for you and your daughters being forced into sex services is on the near horizon.

Agreed. yet another thing Boomers refuse to believe: their white granddaughters will be forced to breed with browns and blacks. By law.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 1:41 PM  

By the way, if "the plan" failed and Trump is dead, his absence will create a vacuum for someone ele to fill. A new plan, a new leader.

The war continues.

Blogger Dave in Ahia January 08, 2021 1:42 PM  

Thank you Vox. I just added your last line to my New years resolutions.

Blogger FutureDeadWhiteButNotDeadYet Male January 08, 2021 1:42 PM  

He could be dead, in hiding with his family, or playing golf on Mars right now and he would still deserve to be counted in the top 3 presidents in history and--in my view at this point--the top slot.

My first solid sense of him was that he was a master at exposing the rot, so I have not measured his success by feet of wall, digits in the national debt, unemployment figures. Instead he's best measured on any given day in units of "what additional evil has tantrumed and exposed itself today? " In a world under the weight of the lie, this could be the greatest achievement: tricking evil into tearing off its own mask. Those who do not choose evil can better discern it sans mask.

There was almost zero chance he would "fix" our corner of this fallen world. I expect to hear more from him, but he has turned the spotlight on the infested mess and cleared the horizon of the fog and shades of gray.

Trump has exposed the extent of the deep state, the now indisputable uniparty, the Luciferian Babelists, et al. Better still, he triggered them into such derangement, they exposed themselves.

"They're all evil" used to be rhetorical. Now it's empirical.

How many people--especially ex-presidents-- can claim such an accomplishment?

Blogger Karen took the Kids January 08, 2021 1:42 PM  

That ship sailed a long time ago. At this point, Delingpole might be the only journalist left in the UK.

Blogger rekrapt January 08, 2021 1:45 PM  

My faith was never in Trump or "the plan", my faith has always been with God and Jesus Christ. I believe that one day we will all have to choose between this world and His under pain of death. I'd rather die a horrible death than spend eternity in Hell. They can chip my corpse. I have no doubt all these Globalist Satan-worshippers will burn in Hell.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 1:45 PM  

@78 You're assuming the Deep State knows he's dead. He might have died of a heart attack or something unplanned.

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge January 08, 2021 1:50 PM  

"No, I don't agree that ""Hope, be it true or be it false, is always better than no hope." Better for people to orient themselves around what is TRUE, first and foremost, than to orient themselves around hope , regardless of its relationship to reality."

You mean in what you HOPE is true.

Way to miss the whole point of the post though.

We don't know what is true, but we examine and weigh the possibilities and hope and act strategically based upon what they appear to be.

More importantly we use the times of uncertainty and inaction/waiting to develop some testicular fortitude and to decide where our lines are and when and for what ship we are willing to go down with if our hope winds up ultimately being misplaced.

And if you know the CoN you'd know that their hope was not inactive hope that sits around waiting for someone to save their asses (although that often happened). It's hope that does it's part because it's the right thing to do.

Ironic how a "children's" book has a much more accurate and nuanced philosophy than a thousand cowardly black pillers....but then again, Lewis was a saint, a genius, a soldier in one of the most horrible wars ever, so he might have known what he "spoke" of in regards to hope.

"What they will do to the president, they will without a doubt do to you."

No. What they have TRIED to do and will TRY to do to Trump they will TRY to do to us.

Your point? This will be different than what?

This changes how I should live how?

Blogger Noah B. January 08, 2021 1:58 PM  

You're assuming the Deep State knows he's dead. He might have died of a heart attack or something unplanned.

Who in this scenario is the white hat deepfake puppetmaster who has secretly assumed executive authority, if not DS operatives? Pence? Kayleigh McEnany? Wilbur Ross?

Blogger TechieDude January 08, 2021 1:59 PM  

I took a lot of this 'cross the rubicon' and 3d chess with a grain of salt. A lot of it looked like projection to me. Still does to some extent but we simply don't have enough data.

But things don't add up. Weird video. Trump nowhere to be found, rats leaving the ship. And now the screeching about 25th amendment and impeachment. Why? If all was on the up and up as they say, he'll be gone in a dozen days. Doens't seem to have been any real planning for transition, other than Ho Jo selecting cronies.

So hearing the democrats, I have to think - as I have for over decade now, are they that stupid, or are they doing this on purpose? What is the purpose? Of anything, that gives me the thought that something will be going down.

And what the hell, I wouldn't want to go to Biden's sad inauguration either. Good for Trump. If it happens, it'll be a sad affair, just like his rallies.

If it even happens (which I'm starting to doubt - dots just aren't lining up), they'll go full retard, and the rest of the country will start hating them as well.

Blogger JD Curtis January 08, 2021 2:01 PM  

Woah.
Alyssa Farah can't stab him in the back quick enough. :-/

That ***t is no ****ing good

Blogger SouthRon January 08, 2021 2:04 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:12 days. I'm not sure it will be only 12 days left. ... [W]ill the results meet a dead line of Jan 20? That's why I think limiting it to a cutoff of Jan 20 is short sighted. In the old days, Constitution was talking about some time in March

I suspect that's why Trump tweeted, "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th."

For the slower folks, read that carefully.

He does not say who's Inauguration or if there even will even be one on the 20th. Other things may be happening that preclude an Inauguration on that date or he may be busy doing other things.

If he does step aside and allow Biden or Harris to be Inaugurated, I hope he follows the Obama model, stays around Washington politics making himself a thorn in the opposition's side.

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 08, 2021 2:06 PM  

@81: The 20th Amendment actually changed the dates for the new Congressional and Presidential terms.

FWIW, it's one thing that bugs me about programs on the Civil War...they assume that Lincoln took office in January, when he didn't take office until 25 March 1861. The 4.5 months between the election and inauguration were key to the Confederacy doing as well as they did.

Blogger Apathy Is Death January 08, 2021 2:08 PM  

An interesting tidbit here:

https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/1347219541487734785

"The White House announces that the president has withdrawn Chad Wolf's nomination to be the permanent Homeland Security secretary, hours after Wolf urged the president to denounce yesterday's violence."

Machinations continue to move beyond our immediate sight.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 08, 2021 2:08 PM  

Newscaper312 wrote:Breaking into the Capitol and disrupting the sessions, whether unfortunate accident or enemy jiu-jitsu, changed the dynamic negatively: fired up the core but alienated the middle whose apathy if not sympathy you need. Be very curious to hear Lind's 4GW take on it. There was always talk about not shocking the normies prematurely w proof of all the corruption, but shocking them by violating the process and going fully outside the Constitution was always an issue too, likely the greater one.

Almost half the country thought the election was stolen, but only a fraction of that would support completely tearing up the Constitution.

WRT the Constitution, there are a lot of things that happen in "the system" that are purported as being Constitutional but are not. A good deal of grief at "the system" is precisely because the Constitution is not being followed, and there is a huge number of people that believe the lie that "the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says it means" — an obvious falsehood if you realize that (a) this would motivate and incentivize the Courts to promote this idea in order to garner illegitimate power, and (b) it violates Jesus's own comments on authority: "Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. "

As to the assertion that the normies/middle have been alienated, /pol/ has a distinctly different take:
"We just won the culture war, moron."
That, and the solid reasoning behind it, in conjunction with this observation that:
"Experience chucking shit at cops, looting stores, and running away? Everytime they actually had to fight anyone they got their assess handed to them. They spent almost a year dicking around tearing down statues and starting fires. A bunch of maga boomers took over the Capitol building in one day."
And, add that to the pants-filling Congressional pictures, where they are in terror from the very people they claim to represent —along with the "They're Terrorists!" (who apparently stay inside the ropes) rhetoric— and you have a massive win.

Blogger Joe January 08, 2021 2:13 PM  

I guess it's slowing starting to dawn on people that the swamp won. No need to get blackpilled, we just need to regroup and fight on.

Blogger Apathy Is Death January 08, 2021 2:14 PM  

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1347619466272759818

Q said they wouldn't be able to safely walk the streets, no? More of this for traitors, please.

Blogger Joeplanet January 08, 2021 2:14 PM  

Heart attack? Are you serious?

This was taken just moments before the rally on the 6th. Do they look worried? I wonder what was in the red jacketed folder?

https://mobile.twitter.com/re5iGam/status/1347474912940752896

Blogger A.D. January 08, 2021 2:15 PM  

Is it possible that Pence's "cuck" was part of the master plan?

Blogger Oswald January 08, 2021 2:16 PM  

If he is dead, it wasn't the first try this week.

My understanding is some of the protesters had guns, Thus, assassins could have been present at Trump's rally, waiting for their chance. Maybe that is why he didn't go to the Capitol building, he became aware that he was in danger.

Blogger drsmith48167 January 08, 2021 2:27 PM  

From Gab: "Pelosi: “This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike.”

Doesn't any president need authorization from Congress for any overseas military action? Also, why did she not talk to the Secretary of Defense.....is that the normal process?

Tells me two things: they are actually still very much afraid and are acting cornered; second, there will be no help from the entire military....the army and navy regulars are going to sit it out whatever comes that way. Going to be just air assets and special forces against paramilitaries. Literally brother against brother in some cases. Sad!

Blogger PCG January 08, 2021 2:28 PM  


"I'm on Trump's side even if there isn't any Trump to preside. I'm going to live as like an American as I can even if there isn't any America."

This was my thought a few days after the election. Grateful to writers like C.S. Lewis for capturing logos in phrases like these, and writers like Vox Day who remind us of them.

Blogger VD January 08, 2021 2:32 PM  

No, I don't agree that ""Hope, be it true or be it false, is always better than no hope."

That's nice. You're banned. Go despair somewhere else. We never knew you.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 2:33 PM  

Pompeo?

No idea.

Blogger xevious2030 January 08, 2021 2:36 PM  

“What is going on right now with Trump is a purely military affair”

I hear that a lot. The Deep State is freaking out, and it isn’t because of the military. 1% of the civilians in the USA showing up where they work, a favorite liberal tactic, and moving them out of their work, as liberals love to do to everyone else, is the only thing they can’t stop talking about. There was no burning or hanging, everyone went home, and it is being called insurrection. That is now part of the equation, there is no need to speculate upon it.

When they talk of impeachment or 25th-ing, they are living vicariously, because they would love to be doing something to you right now. They want so badly to order someone, anyone but them, to do so. And yet, they’re cowards. 1% showing up translates to at least 20% at home, and that is enough.

Now, the cowards will try to bluff themselves back into the equation. They are a bunch of humans, in a building, trying to look important, hitting a gavel, and speaking loudly. They are not gods. They are people.

Blogger papabear January 08, 2021 2:47 PM  

Even Kunstler is more willing than our social media "conservative" personalities to entertain possibilities of things happening away from the eyes of the mass media.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/fog-and-noise/

Blogger JWM in SD January 08, 2021 2:47 PM  

No...it's not normal. I've been wondering where the hell Miller and Watnick are in this whole swirl. This is why the special forces were made their own branch reporting to sec def and the president right after the election in my opinion.

Blogger Cedric January 08, 2021 2:47 PM  

A lot of fog of war going on. However, the enemy isn't acting like they won, they are making some really odd statements and actions that look fearful.

Blogger LaMachinna January 08, 2021 2:52 PM  

wow

Blogger MarkyMark January 08, 2021 2:54 PM  

As Mike Tyson once said: everyone has a plan till they get punched in the mouth! How true it is. That said, I'll hope that the plan comes to fruition, but it's hard to be optimistic about it...

Blogger dangerfield January 08, 2021 2:54 PM  

This pelosi/Schumer call for early removal is bizarre. What are they afraid of? Hint: nothing to do with nuclear codes

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 2:57 PM  

@Cedric "However, the enemy isn't acting like they won, they are making some really odd statements and actions that look fearful."

They witnessed first hand that the day of the rope isn't rhetoric, and Trump is the only one holding back the inevitable.

Blogger Dole January 08, 2021 3:01 PM  

@119 I hope you are right, but it may be just the usual SJW overreach. The leftists want to use power to destroy anyone in their way.

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen January 08, 2021 3:01 PM  

@112
SJWs always project. So, could this inquiry on Pelosi's part mean that the Democrats are seriously considering using nuclear weapons on an American target--perhaps as a form of blackmail? They would only have to corrupt one or two military officers to do so. Maybe Trump has been given the choice to either concede or else watch some red city get nuked. If such a Hobson's choice has actually been presented as an ultimatum, then the resulting civil war will be to the knife. Blue areas will receive no mercy.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey January 08, 2021 3:06 PM  

They are indeed fearful. They are losing their minds. The left has license for all kinds of things. They can and have occupied state houses -- for eleven months in Wisconsin under Scott Walker.
They have laid siege to federal buildings -- the Hart Senate Office Building, the fed building in Portland
They have occupied public and private property all over the place.
They have even declared autonomous zones, ie open rebellion.
They have run literal riot through many cities to include a litany of violent crimes.

And it worked. It all worked! These guys who have done all this are rewarded and lionized.

They are scared shitless by the Capitol Building patriots that the right and the normies might get the idea that effective political action is actually possible for them, too. They have to shut down any notion of that, pronto ASAP with extreme prejudice. Hope must be crushed.


Blogger JWM in SD January 08, 2021 3:07 PM  

Yeah I've wondered about that myself. My guess is Pompeo not Pence.

Blogger RA January 08, 2021 3:10 PM  

I always have hope. After all, we were promised that the ultimate victory belongs to God. To be Christian is to have hope. Despair is a sin.

Win or lose, the deep state's curtain is torn badly as so many of their minions were forced to declare themselves and expose their perfidy in doing so.

The effects will go far beyond Jan 20th no matter what and that is the firm basis for our hope. They desperately need our cooperation and acquiescence. Even now. What is up with that? Think ...

Blogger Ross January 08, 2021 3:12 PM  

Cedric #119.

"However, the enemy isn't acting like they won...." I agree, it is really strange. Even many in the media are the same. Maybe those in the know, know that the Italian connection has been found and they know of Obama and company's connection so they are worried about what comes next even though they think it is in the bag.

As for President Trump appearing to have "given up". My thinking is absolutely not. He has delayed taking the final military aided action right to the end because he never wanted to take. He would have preferred to resolve the issue through the judiciary or through the House/Senate. But he has shown the normal processes are completely broken so now if he crosses the river he must make sure it works ---not just for the sake of winning the Presidency but more importantly for the country --the last thing he would want to see is the country go into chaos , if it can be avoided.

Blogger Ozymandius January 08, 2021 3:12 PM  

How about over 10 million deer hunters?

Blogger Cabraxas January 08, 2021 3:15 PM  

George Orwell, in "Politics and the English Language" warned of writers like Doeser and Frantzen who flatly refuse to write in clear simple language but instead spout gibberish like this:

"This article aims at clearing up a widespread misunderstanding in previous research that the classical strategic perspective, based on the writings of Carl von Clausewitz and his contemporary followers, shares ontological assumptions with realism. Although both perspectives perceive a constant state of disharmony in international politics, they differ substantially in their assumptions about state-centrism, actor behaviour, and the role of unpredictability."

Come ON! Who in hell can understand what these two sentences just said? I can't - and Orwell warns that's the whole point of political writing. Political writers do NOT want you to understand what's going on because, if you understood, you'd change what's going on, you'd stop it. Political writers don't want that. That's why, as Orwell explained, political writers would never speak in clear simple language about the concentration camps of Stalin or the genocide of the Ukrainians, etc. Instead, the writers would jabber "While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore...a certain curtailment of the right to...opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods...amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement'. Come on, this is pure gibberish and that's intentional because gibberish blocks people from understanding the devil's handiwork, gibberish is Satan's way of keeping us ignorant.

So if D&F are writing gibberish about the Left's destruction of our world, this can only mean D&F are defending that destruction. Of course, D&F are too damned cowardly to admit this ---- soooooooo they write gibberish. And, damn, they're good at it.

Blogger PKC January 08, 2021 3:15 PM  

The propaganda machine has done its job dispersing lies 24/7. Commie professors have succeeded in twisting the young minds of 3 generations. Evil, globalist billionaires have secured their pots of gold and domination over world economies. Corrupt, back-stabbing, cowardly politicians and courts have obediently carried through with seditious orders. Now we have a gangster and a whore in the White House. And people are afraid of Trump implementing the Insurrection Act? "The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

Blogger Lamarck Leland January 08, 2021 3:17 PM  

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Blogger kulicuu January 08, 2021 3:19 PM  

"I hear that a lot. The Deep State is freaking out, and it isn’t because of the military. 1% of the civilians in the USA showing up where they work, a favorite liberal tactic, and moving them out of their work, as liberals love to do to everyone else, is the only thing they can’t stop talking about. There was no burning or hanging, everyone went home, and it is being called insurrection. That is now part of the equation, there is no need to speculate upon it."

Yeah, I agree with you. I didn't mean uniformed military, I just meant its a war thing now. Definitely militias and general population is a war body. No question it's freaking them out. But again, look at the scope of what I was referring to: This current little question of: Is Trump currently alive and in the fight. And the general population military potential is not actualized. The SOCOM etc facets are very active -- I would guess more active than at any time since the 1960s. What is relevant right now are tier-one professional military/para-military assets. It's a fight that's on now. Not a popularity contest. That's all I meant. I agree with you.

Blogger ._ January 08, 2021 3:24 PM  

This is a lot of pseudo-intellectual gloss over a cope that went on for two years too long.

Blogger Ora Tevzre January 08, 2021 3:28 PM  



"All gone" was already on the poor mouse's lips. She had scarcely spoken it before the cat sprang on her, seized her, and swallowed her down. You see, that is the way of the world.

-- Cat and Mouse in Partnership (Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm)
-- https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm002.html

Blogger Mihai Nichita January 08, 2021 3:32 PM  

Well, I'll give you this.. Some smart lefties are definetly afraid about what might happen next. Not about a Trump coup but about an armed resistance from Maga Patriots. That also has the potential of going horribly wrong since Big Tech can give their personal data to the security agencies and to the new administration (that is if Biden gets in office).

https://intelnews.org/2021/01/07/01-2933/

https://intelnews.org/2021/01/07/01-2933/

Blogger FutureDeadWhiteButNotDeadYet Male January 08, 2021 3:33 PM  

Despair? Reject hope? Thank you, bow tie Americans, for revealing yourselves.

My favorite reason for the spinning bow ties this week:

The people of action on the right have appeared--and they appear to not wear bow ties.

This week, all the God Emperor had to say was there's the building...might be a good time to stroll on down there. And it happened. Everyone is awaiting his next mere suggestion. What an example of legitimacy. Shills invoking Judeochrist lack such authority. This is making all the right people very afraid.

Hope? Trump is not our source of hope. He happens to be one of the few leaders willing to name our source of hope. Our hope is in Christ. Something Trump mentioned in his recent Christmas address.

Despair? Oh no. A man in obedience to God will know pain in this world, but he has trimphed over despair.
Deus Vult!

Blogger Yossarian January 08, 2021 3:35 PM  

Riling your supporters to the point of committing crimes for you then back-stabbing them is one interesting strategy. The conversation is about Trump flat out spitting in your face, Vox, and not about whether he succeeded implementing some plan.

Failing is one thing. Betrayal is another. At least Judas killed himself out of guilt. Trump just wants more fancies and lollies no matter your cost.

Blogger Avalanche January 08, 2021 3:42 PM  

Came home from lunch to lots of YT vids claiming Trump conceded. Horrified, I went and looked closer -- but they are merely "re-reporting" on the deep-fake video already disassembled here.
Infuriating!

Blogger Steghorn21 January 08, 2021 3:42 PM  

117 - Papa Bear: Couldn't agree more about Kunstler. I always enjoyed his posts, even when he was more of a NYC 1970s liberal type. But his post today was far more cogent than 99% of the "conservative" blogs. Even Steve Bannon/Kassim are still wittering on about "One more piece of evidence should do it" or condemning the Congress "riot" in those faux shock voices. Kunstler has being seeing the light now for a while because he's a decent guy and can spot the evil that lurks in leftists with his own eyes.

Blogger Bigger Bunyip January 08, 2021 3:47 PM  

If this is an information war, we are at a disadvantage as we are lacking information. Seems like the double envelopment didn't work, but this battle may not be over, we just don't know from here what is occurring. I do doubt something will occur on or around the 20th though that involves Trump winning. Before then, perhaps.

Blogger Steghorn21 January 08, 2021 3:47 PM  

102 Nichita - so most of the world's nations would break off relations with Dictator Trump? Let them. They are perfectly free to destroy their economies to prove how woke they are.

Blogger Noah B. January 08, 2021 3:48 PM  

Still can't find any news about Kamala Harris resigning her Senate seat.

Blogger Timstick January 08, 2021 3:53 PM  

There are 12 days left. Trust the plan and trust the President or not, as you see fit, but at least try not to be a complete retard just because you've taken the black pill and are lost to despair.

Amen brother, I nearly died laughing!

I've never experienced so many Chicken Lickens today.

'Sanctify the Lord of Hosts, and let Him be your fear and let Him be your dred, and He shall be for a sanctuary'

Blogger rumpole5 January 08, 2021 3:57 PM  

I don't know what the exact facts are, but I glean that there is a long standing cold USA civil war going on between two or more elite groups. The setup reminds me of the English war of the roses. The very fact that Trump has been alive for the last four years means that powerful forces have been keeping him that way. Additionally, the true nature of The Swamp dwellers has been more and more revealed. The Wizard may be pulling his levers, but "Toto" Trump has completely pulled the curtain back. It follows that the Trump powers have a plan. There is no other way that events could have unfolded as they did.

Anonymous Anonymous January 08, 2021 3:58 PM  

For those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CHdt2qRLj8

By Italy, they mean the Vatican. All roads, eh?

Blogger OneWingedShark January 08, 2021 4:03 PM  

Cabraxas wrote:George Orwell, in "Politics and the English Language" warned of writers like Doeser and Frantzen who flatly refuse to write in clear simple language but instead spout gibberish like this:

"This article aims at clearing up a widespread misunderstanding in previous research that the classical strategic perspective, based on the writings of Carl von Clausewitz and his contemporary followers, shares ontological assumptions with realism. Although both perspectives perceive a constant state of disharmony in international politics, they differ substantially in their assumptions about state-centrism, actor behaviour, and the role of unpredictability."

Come ON! Who in hell can understand what these two sentences just said? I can't - and Orwell warns that's the whole point of political writing. Political writers do NOT want you to understand what's going on because, if you understood, you'd change what's going on, you'd stop it. Political writers don't want that.

Seems more like "Academicianese" to me than "Politicianese", but I'll give it a go:
"We intend to correct previous misunderstandings in previous research arising from the "Strategic Perspective" (based on the writings of Carl von Clausewitz and his contemporary followers), that the "Strategic Perspective" shares assumptions with the "Realist Perspective" regarding the relations between the underlying concepts and categories. While both perspectives agree in their regard of a constant state of disharmony in international politics, the underlying assumptions with respect to both state-centrism & actor behavior, as well as the role of "unpredictability"."
Or, even more simply:
"Previous research is wrong. It was based on assumptions that the basic thoughts of both 'Strategic Perspective' and 'Realist Perspective' were compatible; they are not, there are major differences in: the concept of the state's centrality, the concept of the rationality/behavior of people & groups, and the role unpredictability plays. (Implied: These differences are enough to render the two Perspectives wholly different models.)"

At least that's how I read the sentences; I haven't yet read the article, and it's not my domain, but I think these "translations" should help you see it's not necessarily gibberish (though that can be easy in academics), but likely rather the field-specific jargon getting in the way of you understanding it.

Blogger kurt9 January 08, 2021 4:06 PM  

"Big Tech can give their personal data to the security agencies and to the new administration (that is if Biden gets in office)."

Can??? Are you kidding me?

I've assumed since day one they have done this. After all, Google has been in bed with the NSA since they first started and Facebook was funded by the CIA venture fund In-Q-Tel.

Anything on the internet is public domain information.

Blogger JD Curtis January 08, 2021 4:14 PM  

Via Tom Graham:

"I'm putting my neck out by telling you this.
I just had a very interesting phone conversation

I won't divulge source

[THIS IS FAR FROM OVER]

If you knew what I was just told you would be dancing right now

IM SMILING
YOU SHOULD BE TOO

Maybe I can get you more details soon

Regarding the source....

There is not a source I trust more

You can absolutely bank on what I just told you"

Anybody know this guy? Is he legit?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 08, 2021 4:17 PM  

For Gods' sake people, stop fretting. Stop trying to figure out the Plan. Stop trying to re-re-re-decode past Q drops.

The Left has left a single path open. The ONLY path left is military intervention. I can neither help nor hinder that. I don't know even if I hope for it. But it is completely out of my hands, so I leave that to God and I pray for justice.

Now is the time for steadfastness and calm. If it happens, you can help by calming and explaining to your associates. If it doesn't happen, you're not wasting energy on a lost cause.

Be alert, be aware, be calm, be steadfast. Don't fear the future. Don't fear those who can only take things and this temporary prelude to eternal life.

Fear God.

God judges nations, and our nation has earned chastisement. Each of us has, relentlessly, for decades, earned chatisement. God's patience will not continue forever. He has heard the prayers of His faithful ones, perhaps they have turned His hand. Perhaps not.

Either way, in the words of Mother Theresa of Calcutta;
"Our task is not to win. Our task is to be faithful.

Blogger Matteo January 08, 2021 4:32 PM  

Some possibilities:

1. Trump is going for the ultimate glory: total victory after what looks like a resounding defeat. Letting Cabal think it won for some time and then bringing the hammer down at the last possible second will result in the highest degree of demoralization for them. There has always been a plan and the plan has been meticulously prepared such that “nothing can stop what is coming”. If the plan is that solid, then why not maximize shock and awe at the last moment? The anguish of the period from January 6 and on will be instantly forgotten and is a price well worth paying.

2. Q was always bogus and meant to raise false hopes. It was a thing run by Cabal or the CCP or maybe some guy and his bag of Cheetohs. And yet, Trump, knowing about it, never disavowed it. In that case, Trump is an opportunistic a**hole who didn’t do anyone any favors.

3. Q was never anything but a LARP (or Cabal/CCP psyop) and Trump is a hapless boomer cuck too out of it to know that it was even a thing for the strongest part of his base. He never disavowed it because he was effectively too stupid to know about it. This whole time, Trump has been a Tycoon version of Chauncy Gardner and everyone went off and spun up their own tales about the White Hats, and The Plan, and Military Intelligence, and the Rubicon, all without any real confirmation from Trump, and the whole time, Trump had no real idea that this is how people were viewing the situation, or even that the situation really should be viewed in such a way. And the truth is he never had a real plan besides tweets that “someone should DO something”, and having Giuliani run to the courts, and hoping Pence will do the brave thing, as well as never having had any actual SigInt as to the coordination/execution of the steal, with the election EO always having been an empty letter. And that’s it! He lost and lost big, because he is, in essence an inept loser.

If item 1 is not the case, and item 2 or 3 is, then I really cannot see why a movement would build around him after his defeat. If 2 or 3 is the case, then just what damned good is Trump, the clueless loser? What is the point of supporting him? On the other hand, If 1 is the case, then Trump is one of the greatest winners in the history of civilization.

If Trump is going for item 1 and fails, he is going to need to make it clear that he is not in category 2 or 3 if he wishes to lead any kind of movement.

If 2 or 3 is true, then that also means that the whole concept of White Hats in the military is essentially bogus, the military is entirely corrupted top to bottom, no one takes their oaths seriously, and that they’re all willing to hand the country over to the CCP, while spitting on the memories of all who gave their lives for the country in the past.

Option 1 still makes the most sense to me, but 2 or 3 wouldn’t surprise me in the least, since MPAI, and reality has a way of consistently failing to live up to any reasonable expectations. One way or another, the time for BS is ending, and that is a good reason to be optimistic. Either way, f*ck illusions, we’ve all had enough. Win big or lose big, but Truth is on the move.

Blogger Mihai Nichita January 08, 2021 4:47 PM  

@154 Matteo Someone with sense

Blogger xevious2030 January 08, 2021 4:50 PM  

“That's all I meant. I agree with you.”

I can relate to what you are saying. I don’t know the right words, terminology. All the military activity would fail. Until enough of the population had the spell, not the little one, the big one, broken. That one thing changes the dynamics entirely. That spell broken, means, Trump or not, military or not, the globalists are done.

Within that context, I agree with you. It does not mean they will necessarily have to act, but everyone has to know they will. On popularity though, I tend to cave if I see I am mistaken, it is not my consideration. Either way, you are well thought out, and that is obvious. Will take you post and clarification, and continue to consider it, to learn things. Thank you.

Blogger Based Boomer January 08, 2021 4:50 PM  

@152
User already suspended. Why is there another Qtard purge if it's just a LARP? I think a lack of morale is from the inability of good or bad actors to publish clear "sitreps." All we have are clues, impressions, circumstantial evidence, and most importantly, the ACTIONS of TGE.

Blogger JD Curtis January 08, 2021 4:51 PM  

Aaaand just like that, his account was suspended.
I glanced at his profile and saw he was a little over 100K followers. Claimed to have served in the 82nd Airborne

Blogger Ross January 08, 2021 4:51 PM  

How big are the Free Masons in the USA? Did you see the video of Pence standing down from the podium after the EC count and a guy goes up and shakes his hand? He leaves a few gold coins in Pence's hand. (Pence seems surprised at finding something left in his hand and opens it up in front of the camera to see what it is). Apparently the coins are a Mason thing.

Blogger JD Curtis January 08, 2021 4:56 PM  

Quick, before THIS is deleted.

Are there any Trekkies that can determine if this is real? I screenshotted it in case they nuke it.

Blogger David F January 08, 2021 5:00 PM  

22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

23. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

24. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

25. These military devices, leading to victory, must not be divulged beforehand.

Blogger Black Robed Cleric January 08, 2021 5:08 PM  

@23

The Flynn tweet shows suspended account. Can someone quote it or show a screenshot?

Anonymous Anonymous January 08, 2021 5:10 PM  

@153 Amen, Snidely. That really does sum it up well.

Blogger liberranter January 08, 2021 5:14 PM  

From Gab: "Pelosi: “This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike.”

Fuck you, Nancy. Stupid, clueless bitch.

Speaking of the "the football," rumor has it that it was actually Lost/misplaced for a little while during both the Clint and Obamunist Administrations. Any chance of someone "losing" it again before a Biden Administration takes office?

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 08, 2021 5:17 PM  

@jd curtis
The account has now been nuked
Tom Graham
@tom2badcat
Followed by Flynn and Powell

Blogger Jab Burrwalky January 08, 2021 5:20 PM  

@JD Curtis, "Anybody know this guy? Is he legit?"

Never heard of him, but his Twitter just got nuked since you posted. That's not confirmation he's reliable, but it shows that somebody doesn't like him, at least.

Blogger papabear January 08, 2021 5:25 PM  

Account suspended.

Blogger papabear January 08, 2021 5:29 PM  

Steghorn21 I don't know if his income is mostly from the government or from his writing gigs but Kunstler appears to be independent enough that he can publish these opinions and musings without fear of reprisal. Good for him.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 08, 2021 5:37 PM  

@Matteo
I think your 2 and 3 are too harsh.
I fully expect that if we're looking at Pres Biden on the 21st many here will be furious w Trump for cucking, betraying us, taking a deal etc. But if Q was ultimately BS, that's the viewers problem, not Trump's. If he had no Q white hat super team faction behind him, my respect for him goes up, not down, for taking on what he has and getting as far as has, uphill all the way. In hindsight we can point to his mistakes for future reference... but with the right context for passing judgment.

Blogger Anthony C January 08, 2021 5:44 PM  

Admittedly I did not read this post beyond a few sentences but was inspired to comment post. What came to mind was a scene in an old movie called “The Last Star Fighter”, the scene can be described as “Death Blossom”. The movie is a cult classic to me and still love it to this day.

I hope and look to see if President Trump is attempting to implement a “Death Blossom” counterattack on all traitors to the United States Of America. Death blossom only works at close range. Once the final enemy fighters come into DB range he can launch his counteroffensive. The final fighters are the House Democrats that want to impeach Trump, the DOJ that wants to investigate Trump for what is being pushed as “Inciting an Insurrection”, Mike Pence, Kevin McCarthy, State Legislatures.


If this remotely looks like the plan I am impressed. This can and will work because the enemy fighters think the Last Star Fighter is disabled ready to be destroyed by their firepower. The Shields are up and holding and they are closing into Death Blossom Range. Either Trump will launch Death Blossom before January 20th 2021 or on January 20th 2021. I am patience and calm now to see how it plays out.

But to be clear this movement of generational change, purging the country and government of EVIL will continue with or without Trump.

Blogger Newscaper312 January 08, 2021 5:46 PM  

P.S.
With the current buzz about DS involvement thru Italy, is that a tacit admission that "armed Frankfurt server raid smoking gun" was BS?

Blogger grok January 08, 2021 5:48 PM  

Ah, but Vox, Trump isn’t Aslan. And this isn’t a black pill. It is more hopeful than anything to know that it isn’t Trumps plan, or lack of plan, his win or loss that we should care about. It’s Jesus that matters. And his plans don’t fail. He is in control and not Trump nor Q. If it pleases Him he will use Trump, or cause him to fail, but after all Jesus is sovereign and any Tribulations are at his command. So our great hope will not be defeated and isn’t Trump, and it scares the enemy and those who have taken his ticket whom he controls. I don’t know how this battle is going ends but I know we win the war and for a CS Lewis reference as King Tirian said “the adventure that Aslan would send them.”

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 08, 2021 5:49 PM  

82nd airborne veteran

Blogger Dos Voltz January 08, 2021 5:51 PM  

Been a while since a comment. For good reason. There were steps. Many. Batons, spray, gas. Hours. In the end, we were Mal, battle of Serenity Valley. Unreal, unfathomable, unacceptable.

Blogger MrNiceguy January 08, 2021 5:55 PM  

Where We Go One, We Go All.

Blogger JWM in SD January 08, 2021 5:56 PM  

It was through an Italian satellite company. The data still ended up on German servers

Blogger MrNiceguy January 08, 2021 5:57 PM  

Account now suspended. Of course.

Blogger OneWingedShark January 08, 2021 6:04 PM  

JD Curtis wrote:Quick, before THIS is deleted.
Are there any Trekkies that can determine if this is real? I screenshotted it in case they nuke it.

It seems to be a legit log-file.
The ID columns flanking the TARGET column look like masked MAC addresses, with the TARGET column containing IP addresses; interestingly the only IP masked is the "Secretary of State Offices".
The two columns for ID and exclusive presence in one of the ID columns could indicate the data-flow direction, or "which side" initiated communications.

I can't offer anything about if that's a legitimate voting-machine or Dominion log-file though.

Newscaper312 wrote:But if Q was ultimately BS, that's the viewers problem, not Trump's.
This is true, while there's a LOT of overlap talking/interacting with people between Q and Trump, that's an artifact of their "fans" having a large degree of overlap. Trump's direct acknowledgement of Q has been minimal, almost non-existent; though it is arguable that the "17" that keeps popping up around Trump is signaling, it might not be.

Another factor to keep in mind is that even being associated with X does not mean Y is "under its control". Thus Q could be real, and even under Trump, but not acting perfectly in accord with Trump's wishes; an analogy here would be the patriots marching into the Capitol building rather than up to it, if you take the probably deepfaked video at face value. (Also an issue here could be communication, it doesn't have to be willfulness. eg the "Take care of my parents." -> *bang, bang*-style jokes.) Another in this vein could be the date 4-10-20. which the hardcore Q followers were insistent was going to be *THE* day things *HAPPEN*… except nothing did.

I think the biggest whitepill you can take right now, WRT these times, is to realize that there are many people who love the United States and want to see Truth and Justice become the American Way. (To steal/meme Superman's catchphrase.)

Pray.
And pray hard, for these United States, their people, that Justice would be done and the foul schemes turn back on the evil people plotting against them.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 08, 2021 6:22 PM  

@152 jdcurtis
Sounds like the most important piece of positive news today. The had been folliwed by Powell and Flynn...

Blogger Newscaper312 January 08, 2021 6:23 PM  

@OneWingedShark

Amen.

Blogger MrNiceguy January 08, 2021 6:26 PM  

Assuming Biden takes office, I'm guessing the DoD will just give him an actual football and tell him the launch code is "Blue 42, Hut!"

Blogger papabear January 08, 2021 7:06 PM  

What if Pelosi and Miley weren't really talking about launch codes?

Blogger Ross January 08, 2021 7:09 PM  

#168 Newscaper321
No I think Frankfurt server matter is legit. Maria Zack in her interviews over the Italian issue says Italy was linked to Frankfurt.

Blogger J.H.L. January 08, 2021 7:10 PM  

I love the quotes from the good old Puddleglum. Right on. Your post has encouraged me and my close friends. We will live as free Narnians/Americans even if there isn't any Narnia/America.

Blogger Avalanche January 08, 2021 7:10 PM  

@102 "virtually every country on the globe (except maybe Brazil, Russia, Mexico, Hungary and Poland) will brake all relations with the US who will see Trump as an illegitimate usurper and authoritarian ruler. Possibly the rest of NATO countries would even exclude the US from it lol. Additionally, even if you are an opponent of free trade you should admit that the current US economy (at least it's present form) will be dramatically affected if trade relations with the entire world would cease. "

FANTASTIC!!! No more BILLIONS of OUR dollars for foreign aid to countries who hate us!

EFF NATO! No more wasted millions on ungrateful NATO countries and we'd FINALLY be free of that antiquated stupidity!

Yes, let's see how losing 'trade relations' with all those countries RELYING on US to buy their crap helps them out!

NOTHING you wrote here is a detriment.

Blogger Josh Brown January 08, 2021 7:27 PM  

I liked the comment about accepting one's own responsibility for hoping Trump, Q or whoever will succeed if in spite of one's hope the forces arrayed against them prevail. The inhabitants of Constantinople were better off attending Hagia Sophia one last time than not. However at this stage even a "fool's hope" is better so I here's hoping Pence&Miller are playing a role and Pres Trump is too. So far no reports of Cohen-Watnick jumping ship. A Lake Trasimene as well as Cannae maybe?

Blogger michimartini January 08, 2021 7:27 PM  

The white which is screeching with rage. But it will lead to naught, because Aslan is on the move. And he will see to it that Peter the High King will be seated in Cair Paravel.

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 08, 2021 7:29 PM  

@157 JD Curtis
That screenshot contains a list of Chinese servers and a list of votes taken from Trump.

Blogger Avalanche January 08, 2021 7:43 PM  

@143 "Still can't find any news about Kamala Harris resigning her Senate seat."

You missed it: the news reported in passing that she TOOK THE OATH AGAIN. Not only did not resign, she reclaimed her seat!

Blogger Dan Karelian January 08, 2021 7:51 PM  

@62 Those South African settlers are still several million strong today and I like their chances better under Chinese colonial rule than Black rule. So long as they don't suddenly drop their White fetishism.

Blogger A trite re-white January 08, 2021 8:37 PM  

Trump has lots of people on his side if he needs to communicate he can probably find a way... He's throwing everyone off balance.

Blogger michimartini January 08, 2021 8:37 PM  

I notice many expect that the RED# roadmap is followed slavishly. But that does not take the influence of reality into account. There is the plan, and then there is the contact with the enemy. There is strategy, but there is also tactics.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2021 9:16 PM  

The most bizarre theory I've heard is that President Trump suffered a heart attack after the rally and died on Wednesday, and the panic that the Deep State is now exhibiting is because they are afraid that the American people will never believe their innocence and will return to Capitol Hill to seek retribution.
That would be very bad indeed for the deep state, but it doesn't match up at all well to their actions. Would they be trying to impeach? or would they be making a series of conciliatory-sounding deep fakes which would talk about ill-health and retiring to a life of seclusion?

If Trump does fail somehow, Live Trump would be pretty useless, but Dead Trump, murdered by our enemies, would rapidly become Saint Trump the Martyr, and would be very useful indeed.

I have always thought it was very likely that there were factions of decent, honorable men in the military who were giving Candidate and President Trump very real, practical support. I have always thought it was very unlikely that any of those decent, honorable men in the military would ever act against any civilian traitor.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2021 9:17 PM  

By the way, thank you to the moderators. We've been keeping you busy, and you all have been keeping up heroically.

Blogger RobertDWood January 08, 2021 9:18 PM  

I will take pistols at dawn with anyone who says Vox has ever made a more important post then this.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella January 08, 2021 9:23 PM  

Well, would the generals hand the keys to the family battleships that work quite well off to the Chinese communists' army, whose battleships do not work well? They know what happened at the Katyn Forest: the communists killed off an entire country's officer class, then lied about it for nearly a century. They have to tour prison camps, too. They know what their future looks like if they lose or fail.

Biden means China CCP leadership.

I mean, senators flaked on George Washington at Valley Forge. There's at least one Byzantine Emperor who led his troops in to battle, and the senators pulled back, leaving him defenseless against the Muslim hordes.

There hasn't been any concerted asking of people on /pol to find President Trump. FiveEyes uses tech to track people. We aren't playing find the flag/find the President, but they sure seem to be trying to bring him out. So I am thinking he is in a safe location, among trusted, quite violent, men. I don't think the BFF of the Saudi Prince who imprisoned nearly 40 of his brothers, and the guys who brought us WWE and UFC and Erik Prince, is a softy in any sense of the word. We know Melania has steel in her.

Our job is to hold the line and pray as if we were St Michael himself.



Blogger budbrewer January 08, 2021 9:47 PM  

Aslan is on the move!

Blogger sammibandit January 08, 2021 10:03 PM  

The Katyn forest massacre lie is one of the most ridiculous I have ever heard. Blaming people who found the mass grave on perpetrating it. It was known in German circles at the time to have been a Red Army directive, the Germans being nowhere near the area at the time of execution and inhumanition. It really beggars belief people bought it. Russia has always treated Poland with suspicion.

Really we're looking at a realist perspective with multiple state's political goals and information not flowing from one language to another. If it took till the 90s to be publicized then Germans failed to deliver that message.

Blogger A trite re-white January 08, 2021 10:38 PM  

I hold a heavy heart with optimism, for a cross with bare in hopes of repemtion.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 11:09 PM  

Emergency Alert System will most likely be his line of communication after the deplatformings. If Q is real, which after 2.5 million people stormed DC really doesn't matter anymore. Trump has a mob larger than the US military on call.

Blogger Beloved January 08, 2021 11:12 PM  

Trump is most likely alive and in US military escort. At least according to rumors. "The plan" might still be alive. I hope so.

Blogger Heath D January 08, 2021 11:12 PM  

Epstein didn’t kill him self, Biden didn’t win and yes Virginia, there is an America.

Blogger Dos Voltz January 08, 2021 11:58 PM  

got it. no one here was there. Blow your trumpets

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