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Tuesday, January 05, 2021

The GOPe Plan

The GOP establishment is reportedly plotting with Nancy Pelosi to steal defeat from the jaws of victory on January 6th:

Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell have reached an informal backroom deal to expedite the January 6 challenge in the Electoral College and end it with a simple majority vote after a two hour debate, multiple Capitol Hill sources have confirmed to National File.

This comes after National File reported that McCarthy originally planned to work with Pelosi to change the January 6 rules so the challenge would not be allowed. McCarthy denied this, and our Capitol Hill sources now say that McCarthy instead pursued a backroom deal with Congressional leadership.

Our sources explain that McCarthy was motivated to form this loose plan due to fears that Rep. Liz Cheney will lead a revolt against McCarthy from the liberal wing of the Republican Party.

The informal agreement is to cap the debate at two hours, then have Congressional leadership gavel over any objections and pursue a scripted simple majority vote to confirm the electoral votes, National File’s sources explain.

One source noted that this will likely conjure images of the 2012 Republican convention, when former RNC Chair John Boehner ignored loud objections from former Texas Rep. Dr. Ron Paul’s delegates, and read from an already prepared script on a teleprompter instead.

I admire President Trump's determination to give everyone the chance to do the right thing before lowering the boom. But at this point, I'd just as soon he declared himself God-Emperor for life and had every GOPe Senator and Member of Congress burned at the stake live on CSPAN.

Which, of course, may be the reason he is permitting all of these desperate machinations and shenigans prior to taking action.

UPDATE: Or perhaps the plan is to bench Pence:

Iowa Sen. Charles E. Grassley, the Senate president pro tempore, says he and not Vice President Mike Pence will preside over the certification of Electoral College votes, since "we don't expect him to be there."

UPDATE: Whoopsy, someone let the cat out of the bag.

A Grassley spokesman clarifies that the senator does not "have any indication Pence won't be present." Grassley, he said, was just trying to explain that at president pro tempore of the Senate, he would fill the chair if Pence does not show or steps out at points for a break... Grassley's office clarifies that he was meaning to explain what would happen if Pence had to step away during Wednesday's proceedings to count Electoral College votes. "Every indication we have is that the vice president will be there," Grassley's office said.

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Blogger onyomi January 05, 2021 8:35 AM  

It's really incredible how, in a year when Dems shut down society over a bad flu while allowing riots to run rampant and jailing innocent people for defending themselves, engaged in blatant election fraud, and revealed themselves to be working hand in glove with big business and tech oligarchs, somehow the mainstream GOP has managed to make themselves look even more despicable.

Whatever else you can say about the Dems and their agenda, it at least bears some resemblance to their constituents' desires, however twisted those desires may be. Meanwhile the mainstream platform of the GOP seems to be "we hate our base and will take any chance to lose 'gracefully' on the issues that matter to them so long as nothing gets in the way of the wars and corporate tax cuts nobody (but Raytheon et al.) wants."

Blogger Randomatos January 05, 2021 8:38 AM  

Speaking of giving people ample warning, what, if anything, did you think of the God-Emperor's speech last night?

Blogger AJ Popo January 05, 2021 8:38 AM  

People are talking openly, in public, about what's going down tomorrow. Let's hope he makes history.

Blogger SC Rebel January 05, 2021 8:39 AM  

I can’t say that I’m surprised and I also know the GE isn’t surprised either.

I was up in the middle of the night thinking what could happen tomorrow and I suddenly had images of the military ceasing Capitol Hill and playing a broadcast in the chamber outlining the evidence, including the foreign interference.

Then the arrests begin.

Blogger Veritax January 05, 2021 8:44 AM  

Yes, he needs to lower the boom. We've all grown way too impatient observing all this corruption and betrayal. My fear is that Trump will be merciful to the treasonous and satanic goons to please the retarded churchian cucks. A very brutal example needs to be made of these people to discourage this from ever happening again. When our nation is barely saved from the brink of destruction, brutal justice over mercy.

Blogger not anonymous January 05, 2021 8:44 AM  

If Trump has a plan for tomorrow, whether to win or to escalate, He shouldn't need more than 2 hours. He must want a party or a riot when it's over, and either will be easier earlier.

Blogger Reader January 05, 2021 8:46 AM  

They can try. On Neon's Gab account there's a screenshot of a Posobiec tweet: My friend just landed at Reagan and literally saw a guy with a pitchfork.

Indeed. Just let them try.




Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis January 05, 2021 8:47 AM  

The American people would be justified dragging these traitors out of Congress by their hair and bowties and lighting their decapitated heads on pikes along Pennsylvania Ave. To start.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast January 05, 2021 8:49 AM  

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1346238267625263107?s=20

Blogger AJ January 05, 2021 8:51 AM  

Wonder what the optics would be if the move of the GOPe is announced to the crowd outside the Capitol, at say 1:30 pm on Jan 6th and they respond by storming it?
Or better yet, occupy the Capitol on Jan 5th?

Blogger van helsing January 05, 2021 8:52 AM  

this must be their plan. lots of shills are out touting it online.

Blogger JC January 05, 2021 8:52 AM  

"had every GOPe Senator and Member of Congress burned at the stake live on CSPAN."

That would look, sound and smell like justice.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli January 05, 2021 8:53 AM  

No one in their right mind cares about 'democracy' any longer. Certainly those who have lost their minds do not care about it either.

At least 70 million American adults, who comprise the vast majority of emotional and intellectual adults in the proverbial 'room' of American society and politics, would support him and be willing to fight for him. And serve as the new aristocracy.

May God protect Trump and may God destroy His enemies.

Blogger Mike Wallens January 05, 2021 8:56 AM  

You know that President Trump has re-arranged the old order when the war monger hog, daughter of another war monger hog, Liz Cheney, is in the liberal wing of the Republican party.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 8:57 AM  

If this is true, it's ``Traitor Pence,'' not ``Worthless Pence the spineless cuck.''

I'll be slightly surprised if Pence is actually a traitor. I had sort of hoped that he was merely a reliable squish for the globohomo faction, rather than a confirmed kiddie-diddler. I suppose it was always ridiculously unlikely that anyone who hadn't paid full price for the ticket would be allowed to be governor of Indiana then VP.

Blogger FrankNorman January 05, 2021 8:58 AM  

I'll be disappointed if this turns out to be real - I thought Pence was one of the good guys.

Blogger tuberman January 05, 2021 8:58 AM  

Ted Cruz and the ten GOP senators are likely another treasonous ploy also. Hawley may be the exception. I really think Trump needs to smoke them all out this time.

Blogger Blume January 05, 2021 8:59 AM  

The list of people I would be ok with seeing being hung does seem to grow day by day. First it was journalists, then lawyers and judges got added and now each congressman gets to decide if he joins the lists. January 6th will definently be an interesting day.

Blogger Barou January 05, 2021 9:01 AM  

Most Americans have no idea how loved president Trump is loved not just in the West but in Japan, Africa, the Middle East...
He pretty much stopped the instability created by the globalists.
He must WIN.
Here is a video of Japanese cheering for Trump

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2021/01/04/here-is-japan-marching-for-trump/

Blogger rumpole5 January 05, 2021 9:02 AM  

I so pray that you are correct. There is really no point in blabbering on about "the constitution" and "our democracy" when both the Constitution and government by the people have been disregarded, debauched and ditched right in front of our eyes. It is definately way past time for a tennis court oath. (https://www.britannica.com/event/Tennis-Court-Oath)

Blogger PubliusFlavius January 05, 2021 9:02 AM  

Isnt' it mandated at two hours PER STATE objected to, via the constitution?



Blogger Dr. J January 05, 2021 9:03 AM  

That makes things easy. Pence can just select the Trump slate of electors from the fraudulent states - minimal debate needed!

Blogger Redneckian January 05, 2021 9:09 AM  

Tomorrow will be... historic.

May justice and truth prevail.

May Donald John Trump be declared the legal and rightful and only winner of the 11/3/2020 election.

Blogger Paulus January 05, 2021 9:10 AM  

UK entering new lockdown from today.

Vox what do you think of other countries locking in their populations at the same time as all these events in america. Part of me does think it is linked.

Blogger Cappuccinobear January 05, 2021 9:13 AM  

The uniparty became clear to me by 2010 when, as an Obama Democrat at the time, I realized he wasn't really interested in ending the wars or bringing the country together.

Now it seems like they're all shouting in everyone's faces, "Hey we are 1 party based in trickery and deceit! Bow down!" And yet so many people are too blinded by porn or sin or whatever to just SEE it.

It really is a choice to be the wheat or the chaff. Trust in Jesus. The path becomes much clearer.

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 9:14 AM  

Ivan Raiklan has some very interesting strategies that could theoretically be employed tomorrow. I make representation as to their probabilities though.

https://youtu.be/HwGYI5W_20w

Blogger The Lab Manager January 05, 2021 9:15 AM  

It's sickening how many of these SOB's on all sides don't give a damn about Americans, America, or the future of any thing resembling a European civilization.

Blogger boron January 05, 2021 9:19 AM  

I'm only worried that Gen. Mike Flynn may not accept a nomination in 2024 after The Donald finishes his second term.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo January 05, 2021 9:21 AM  

When you think about it in detail,
public executions have A LOT more societal benefits than life imprisonment.

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz January 05, 2021 9:22 AM  

Et tu, Pence?

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen January 05, 2021 9:22 AM  

Stealing defeat from the jaws of victory--it is also the slogan of Philadelphia sport teams. Somewhat appropriate considering the identity of one of the major suspects in the Great Steal of 2020.

The GOP are fools who fiddle while the republic burns. Many people are becoming desperate due to the economic hardships from the shutdowns, and the Biden Team are promising more of the same but on the national level. The ruling class does not obey the shutdown rules they inflict on everyone else--shades of Marie Antoinette. Are these idiots deaf, blind and dumb?

The great irony of all of this is that a brash New Yorker from Queens (of all people) has been sent as a prophet to an underserving nation. God has a sense of humor.

Blogger Peabody January 05, 2021 9:31 AM  

Grow a spine, Mike!

Blogger Tom Paine January 05, 2021 9:32 AM  

Is there anyone in Washington with Trump at this point in time? There appear to be very few. There are over 80 million voters with him, and that will account for much. I hope he pulls the cord and lets loose. I will be happy to stand with him.

Burning at the stake, VD? I was kind of hoping for hanging. Reminiscent of Nuremburg, where the original National Socialists faced justice.

Blogger Sam January 05, 2021 9:34 AM  

In Cicero's oration against Cataline, Cicero makes a point of saying he would not condemn the treasonous conspirator to death until there was enough evidence that no reasonable person would object to the execution.

Waiting this long for action in the face of so much lawlessness only tells me that the final act is so dramatic that it requires this much theatre to justify the inevitable death sentences for treason. A true purge may be on the horizon.

Blogger Jake Alden January 05, 2021 9:35 AM  

Sir, thanks for your post. Would this end it all? What could Trump do to overcome the visuals of a floor vote that would appear "democratic and fair" to millions watching from home, and essentially shut this effort down? Thanks.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 05, 2021 9:35 AM  

Et tu, Pence?

Blogger budbrewer January 05, 2021 9:38 AM  

DJT: "I'm your huckleberry; that's just my game...."

Blogger Pedro the Cat January 05, 2021 9:40 AM  

It seems to me that Americans are very proud of their "system" of government and that they believe to have a voice in it somehow. We think we have a superior system of government as opposed to the rest of the world. The events of the past 60 years have proven that this view is wrong. It is not superior; it has not been able to prevent the natural outcome of the depravity of man.

However, any system that allows the fraud and graft to continue unabated at such a massive scale does not deserve to continue to exist. Something else will take its place, and always has. Question is will it be a better one?

Blogger VD January 05, 2021 9:48 AM  

Trump talking about firing everyone right now. Wray, Gina, etc. And wants to declassify everything - UFOs, JFK, all of it.

Trump would do well to talk less and do more. It's gotten tedious.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 05, 2021 9:54 AM  

Strategic surrender is their favorite move. You have to assume that any Republican making noise about objecting to the steal is more likely to be faking it than not, unless he has a long, unblemished record of Trump support.

This is why I haven't been counting on Pence or any other career swamp creatures to do the right thing. It's fine to hope they will, but don't put too many eggs in that basket.

If President Trump is going to keep his oath to defend the Constitution against the foreign and domestic enemies who attacked it through this election steal, he's going to have to do it with the considerable powers of the presidency, not by urging the other branches to do right. That's been pretty clear ever since conservative media and Mitch and most Republicans started saying "president-elect Biden" as soon as enough states certified the fraud to give them an excuse. With a few exceptions, most of them would love to have the pre-Trump status quo back, with its protection for their corruption and foreign dealings, and now they think it's close enough they can taste it. He's going to have to take it from them.

Blogger Opus January 05, 2021 9:59 AM  

@Paulus

It is true that from midnight tonight England will be in Lockdown. I find it profoundly depressing and doubt that we will ever come out and even if we do we will be facing a wasteland of empty shops bankrupted businesses and broken artistic and sporting organisations, never mind the mountain of debt incurred by H.M. Government. The Churches are also of course out of bounds. Having said that: Lockdown is little different from Tier 4 which is how we presently live and I doubt that the average Englishman pays more than scant attention to the goings on in D.C. We are or were a day or so ago far more enthused by Brexit and the traitorous remoaners. Succeed or Fail the fate of Donald J. Trump will not ruffle our increasingly inhuman lives.

Blogger tuberman January 05, 2021 10:00 AM  

>> Trump talking about firing everyone right now. Wray, Gina, etc. And wants to declassify everything - UFOs, JFK, all of it.

That comes from Jack Posobiec, who IMO is a disinfo agent, who has put out lots of fake nonsense. Jack was pushing a false Q some time back.

Blogger Steve Canyon January 05, 2021 10:06 AM  

Depends on how involved Pence was from the beginning. If Trump's group wargamed everything else and accounted for pretty much everything we've seen to this point, certainly they would have wargamed Pence waffling and brokering a deal with the enemy. Going to wait and see with this one too.

Blogger Erich Schwarz January 05, 2021 10:10 AM  

As Stephen McIntyre pointed out: "Trump needs to get digital copies of documents into Oval Office. Declassify them. Then load them onto presidential library archive for public. Unfortunately he's been totally incompetent on this topic and has useless advisers ... unless he physically releases it himself, he can declassify to his heart's content, but the bureaucrats will then redact it all."

https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1346286853360656384

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 January 05, 2021 10:17 AM  

If that's from the National File, then it's probably gaslighting.

Either that or Pence has no intention of allowing Congress to question the Electors by throwing out the disputed states.

Blogger Erich Schwarz January 05, 2021 10:18 AM  

"Which, of course, may be the reason [Trump] is permitting all of these desperate machinations and shenanigans prior to taking action."

Between Jan. 6 and Jan. 20, the universe is going to decohere into one of the following Schrödinger's Cat situations:

1. Trump is a mighty God-Emperor toying with his hapless enemies before unleashing his final ten-dimensional checkmate on them!

2. Trump is a well-meaning but rather gullible septuagenarian who still thinks that he is living in the civic nationalist 1980s, still thinks he can cajole anybody at all into making The Deal, and who subconsciously believes that interminable verbosity will automagically manifest as real-world achievement.

We'd all greatly prefer outcome [1]. But will we get it?

Blogger Beery Swine January 05, 2021 10:19 AM  

Lads, it's been an amazing 12 months, the best year of my life easily. I've become what I consider a true Christian after being raised by boomercon grabbled "Christians", the world is waking up more and more to the elites' devilry, Doom Eternal released, I feel better than I have in decades, and now we are on the very cusp of a new status quo. I honestly couldn't do my level of gratefulness justice in mere written word.

Blogger Jeff January 05, 2021 10:20 AM  

@21, Not per Constitution, but per the Electoral Count Act of 1887. Definitely 2 hours per objection. Maybe per state, I'm not sure.

It's not clear to me from the article what this backroom deal actually does. If it's rolling all objections up into 1 and only allowing 2 hours, that's clearly illegal. Objections made in writing by both a House Rep and Senator must be resolved by the House and Senate separately before moving on to the next state's count. If it's just that each objection will only be allowed two hours, then that's just restating what the law already says. No special deal needed. No desperation machinations or shenanigans. Just following the law.

It's hard to see this as a big deal in terms of outcome. This process was never going to lead to victory. The Democrats have a majority in the House and were never going to vote to support any objections, so this was always more performance than anything. We get some speechifying. We get the votes on the objections. We get to see where everyone stands, for good or not. Following this process isn't how Trump stays in the White House.

Blogger John Rockwell January 05, 2021 10:21 AM  

onyomi wrote:It's really incredible how, in a year when Dems shut down society over a bad flu while allowing riots to run rampant and jailing innocent people for defending themselves, engaged in blatant election fraud, and revealed themselves to be working hand in glove with big business and tech oligarchs, somehow the mainstream GOP has managed to make themselves look even more despicable.

Whatever else you can say about the Dems and their agenda, it at least bears some resemblance to their constituents' desires, however twisted those desires may be. Meanwhile the mainstream platform of the GOP seems to be "we hate our base and will take any chance to lose 'gracefully' on the issues that matter to them so long as nothing gets in the way of the wars and corporate tax cuts nobody (but Raytheon et al.) wants."


Traitors all along loving their Pork barrelling.

Blogger Leahn Novash January 05, 2021 10:23 AM  

Do you really think they care about what the Constitution says?

Blogger John Rockwell January 05, 2021 10:24 AM  

Zastavnik Džemo wrote:When you think about it in detail,

public executions have A LOT more societal benefits than life imprisonment.


An impending execution causes the wicked to have to contend with Death sooner and draws his/her thoughts towards the Spiritual.

They are more likely to accept Jesus Christ in Death Row than in Life imprisonment.

Blogger RedC January 05, 2021 10:27 AM  

Upon thinking of my many MSM/Rush Limbaugh/Mark Levin consuming Boomer family members who all voted for DJT, how do you think they would take whatever power move the God-Emperor makes if Pence publicly betrays him? I can already hear their "how can he think he won if his right hand man doesn't think he won?"

Further, does the President intend on replacing the entirety of government? Will the republic continue or will this mimic Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon in more ways than one?

Blogger Fozzy Bear January 05, 2021 10:30 AM  

I’m not seeing all y’all patriots on the ground in DC. The metro is empty right now, there’s more homeless on the streets than patriots. Where is everybody?

Blogger Timmy3 January 05, 2021 10:30 AM  

This is indeed tedious. Trump had the cards, but each one is betrayed and he’s running out of cards and time. January 6th will come and go unless Vice President Pense does what he is Constitutionally required to do. What else can Trump do? January 20th is here sooner than you think. The Supreme Court is pretty much no longer in the picture. It’s Trump and his 75 million voters versus everyone else.

Blogger Better Left Unsaid January 05, 2021 10:30 AM  

I was very suspicious of Pence pulling a fast one on Trump so getting advance notice of this is fine with me as being forewarned is forearmed.

I hope that Prosebiec is wrong about Trump "talking about firing everyone". Trump needs to have a plan that he is executing and he should already know whether or not he needs to fire them.

Blogger Sun Xhu January 05, 2021 10:31 AM  

@39 This.

Very tired of the bloviation. The time for talking is past, it's time to act.

Blogger Stilicho January 05, 2021 10:31 AM  

The Constitution also mandates no infringement on our right to keep and bear arms. Our ruling class has decide that means no unreasonable infringement and they will decide what is unreasonable at any given time to suit their agenda.

Similarly, the Constitution mandates that Americans be secure in their persons, papers/communications, homes, etc. Yet the ruling class has has gang-raped that mandate via use of proxies (foreign govts, big tech companies, etc.) as well as through simply ignoring it.

They will do whatever they choose to do.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 05, 2021 10:34 AM  

I had sort of hoped that [Pence] was merely a reliable squish for the globohomo faction

This is the kind of thing reliable squishes do. Their betrayals are rarely mustache-twirlingly dramatic. They usually consist of regretful concessions and promises to get'em next time if we just keep donating.

Blogger Mac Siccar January 05, 2021 10:35 AM  

What is Trump's plan for this? Surely he's gamed it out.

Blogger Dan January 05, 2021 10:36 AM  

Where is the petition for the stake thing? I would like to sign it.

Blogger J.B. Gardner January 05, 2021 10:38 AM  

You can't even jokingly advocate your candidate be declared "God-Emperor for life" and claim that you are for democracy/the Republic. Checks and Balances. The federal government should not be pressuring states into handing over their constitutionally-mandated rights.

Blogger VD January 05, 2021 10:42 AM  

You can't even jokingly advocate your candidate be declared "God-Emperor for life" and claim that you are for democracy/the Republic.

First, democracy is evil. Second, the Republic has been dead for 150 years. I don't claim to be for either of them.

What's next, complaining that I can't support tariffs and claim to be for free trade?

Blogger spacehabitats January 05, 2021 10:43 AM  

My wife was a Ron Paul delegate and I was an alternate delegate from Iowa to the Republican National Convention in Tampa in 2012. The establishment had everything organized to neutralize the Ron Paul supporters, from parliamentary tricks in the committees to having the bus drivers take us on circuitous routes to the convention center. I can't believe that President Trump would not have been aware of the corruption in the national leadership of the GOP, although it did bother me that he picked someone like Reince Priebus (former GOP National Chairman) to help select his White House Staff. That seemed and still seems like a strategic blunder to me.

Blogger Joe January 05, 2021 10:47 AM  

Now Pence is not even going to preside over the certification vote, but it's going to be Chuck Grassley.

What is Pence even going to be doing? This is so confusing. Would be nice to get some perspective on this.

Blogger Fozzy Bear January 05, 2021 10:48 AM  

Well I found about 500 at Freedom Plaza, looks like I’m one of the early ones

Blogger B-Rex January 05, 2021 10:53 AM  

better a "dictator" that loves our country than these owned "representatives" who hate it. Godspeed to our God Emperor

Anonymous Anonymous January 05, 2021 10:55 AM  

That wasn't your Making Coffee Great ad over at National File, was it?

Is the whole show going to be live on C-SPAN?

Yes.

Program ID: 507663-1
Category: Joint Session of Congress
Format: Joint Session of Congress
Location: Washington, District of Columbia, United States
Will Air: Jan 06, 2021 | 1:00pm EST | C-SPAN 1

Blogger Jeroth January 05, 2021 10:57 AM  

I can understand Trump not showing his cards and letting people make their choices before he does. But Pence? How could Pence possibly not know what all his cards are? Unless Lin Wood's wild tweets are more or less correct, and Pence has been cut off for a while. That is admittedly very hard for me to believe, but anything is possible. The thing that bothers me most about Pence is how he glories in his mask. He is wearing it symbolically, every chance he gets, just like all the other good little establishment cucks.

That said, Pence betrayal headlines are great click bait, so these anonymously sourced stories don't really prove much.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 05, 2021 11:02 AM  

Upon thinking of my many MSM/Rush Limbaugh/Mark Levin consuming Boomer family members who all voted for DJT, how do you think they would take whatever power move the God-Emperor makes if Pence publicly betrays him?

I have those too. They will be shocked, say disapproving things like "Well I never" a lot, and then go about their lives, probably with a cuck mask on. They're not going to take up arms to fight for the president, but they're not going to fight for the establishment traitors either. They are irrelevant bystanders.

Blogger Gator McCluskey January 05, 2021 11:04 AM  

I wouldn't trust Posobiec as far as I could throw him.

Blogger pyrrhus January 05, 2021 11:05 AM  

I don't see anything in the 12th Amendment that changes the fact that Pence counts the electors, and that's it...The House can then refuse to certify, but if there's an impasse, Pence becomes President on March 4...So these shenanigans are nonsense, and Trump would be justified in arresting everyone involved...

Blogger basementhomebrewer January 05, 2021 11:06 AM  

However, any system that allows the fraud and graft to continue unabated at such a massive scale does not deserve to continue to exist. Something else will take its place, and always has. Question is will it be a better one?

This is the sum of it. Why continue to follow and respect a process that has been so thoroughly and visibly cheated and compromised? There is not respectability in the process any longer other than the thinnest appearance of it in the ceremony itself. Stop rewarding people who cheat with deference to the system.

The courts, the state and federal bureaucracies and the state and federal legislatures are all compromised. It is very clear to 40-50% of the population (or more I really have no idea since polls and election results are so compromised).

Trump has the opportunity to do something to try and restore a little bit of faith in the government. Not only will it save himself and his family, it will save a large number of American lives. If he does nothing and tries to retire he is leaving the right without a leader and without any power over any enforcement agency or the military. When the violence occurs, which it will in the next decade or so, the situation will be much more chaotic and deadly.

There is much that rests on his shoulders but if he looks at that situation the choice should be easy, despite what the worm tongues are whispering in his ears.

Blogger Other Josh January 05, 2021 11:07 AM  

There will be blood. I really think Trump is giving them every opportunity before the nuclear option. If sinners refuse to repent, there is only judgment.

Blogger kurt9 January 05, 2021 11:14 AM  

Its like the GOPe has been stuck in terminal error mode since Reagan left office. They've pick attrocious candidates and don't seem to have any desire to really win elections. The only two good candidates were populists, Reagan and Trump, who pushed their way into the party. I'm wondering if they are the way they are because of money politics.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants January 05, 2021 11:27 AM  

This is why I come here.

Blogger LoneWolf January 05, 2021 11:28 AM  

Now everyone can see what a turd you are, Mike Pence. No more "I'm just an Indiana country boy born in a house with a corn field behind It" bullshit. You're a ruthless snake who will slit his own mother's throat if it means political advancement for you. You're finished.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky January 05, 2021 11:29 AM  

Re: Updates
Holy bad commsec, Batman! You'd think it'd be basic strategic-planning to let people know what is and isn't meant to be public knowledge.

Blogger dangerdog January 05, 2021 11:34 AM  

I wish these cucks would stop flailing about and accept that Trump won.

Blogger justthinkin January 05, 2021 11:39 AM  

The Ron Paul fiasco in Tampa was an eye-openerfor me. I swore off voting...until DJT came along.

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz January 05, 2021 11:42 AM  

Yeah...this...

Blogger ChewbacaTW January 05, 2021 11:43 AM  

Going through the process is necessary and "winning" at any point in that process will not have long term positive benefits. Don't panic when things don't go his way tomorrow. In that case, it really is the beginning of "getting the ball rolling". everything up to this point has been maneuvering for position.

Blogger Azimus January 05, 2021 11:46 AM  

Good grief that is just like the sniveling loser token opposition party to sneak their master's candidate through while the Vice President is in the potty...

Blogger AJ January 05, 2021 11:49 AM  

Tonight or tomorrow morning would be a good day to arrest a number of congress folks that gives oneself the majority. And then release the DNI report/intelligence that implicates these members.

Blogger liberranter January 05, 2021 11:50 AM  

@8:

The American people would be justified dragging these traitors out of Congress by their hair and bowties and lighting their decapitated heads on pikes along Pennsylvania Ave. To start.

It's time for crucifixion to make a comeback. Nothing would send a louder message than hundreds of crosses lining DC's streets, starting from the steps of Capitol Hill.

Blogger Jeff January 05, 2021 11:51 AM  

@71 March 4th? The 20th Amendment changed that to January 20th.
It also clarifies what happens if there's an impasse. It doesn't go to Pence, unless somehow Congress agrees that Pence has been elected Vice President without agreeing that Trump has been elected President.
In the case of a refusal to certify, it's almost guaranteed to cover both and then both the President and Vice President's terms end on January 20th, and the offices of President and VP are vacant, so the usual rules of succession apply. The Speaker of the House acts as President until the impasse is resolved.

No one wants this. Not even Pelosi.

Blogger Uncle John's Band January 05, 2021 11:52 AM  

You can't even jokingly advocate your candidate be declared "God-Emperor for life" and claim that you are for democracy/the Republic. Checks and Balances.

Hmmm... You can't even jokingly be this stupid and post on the internet, yet here you are...

It seems your proscriptions are as substantive as you are.

Blogger DJ | AMDG January 05, 2021 11:55 AM  

@kurt9. And weren’t both Regan and Trump once Democrats? I wonder what that might mean if anything.

Blogger Fozzy Bear January 05, 2021 11:57 AM  

I’ve had a better chance to recce. The big stages are at Lafeyette Park and the main one at The Ellipse, but they look like they are setting up for tomorrow. Freedom Plaza is where it is at now, a few thousand patriots. A few thousand more wandering the streets around the White House. No sign of Black Bloc at this point, but I would avoid McPherson Square later because the boarded up businesses there have all left plenty of loose lumber for nefarious purposes. Only 6! people counter-protesting at BLM Plaza The main hostile force right now are the homeless who are aggressively yelling at everyone. Right now at least DC is our safe space.

Blogger stevev January 05, 2021 11:58 AM  

I remember as a kid, looking into a small lean-to type cabin at Valley Forge, and hearing the guide talk about how desperately cold it was that winter, how some of the soldiers only had rags to wrap their feet. Still, they fought and remained true.
I pray the Patriots in DC are given by God the same resolve to endure.

Blogger Nate January 05, 2021 12:04 PM  

"Every indication we have is that the vice president will be there," Grassley's office said."

Reminder... Grassley pooped himself on national television.

Blogger Baldwin Bear January 05, 2021 12:06 PM  

“ I admire President Trump's determination to give everyone the chance to do the right thing before lowering the boom. But at this point, I'd just as soon he declared himself God-Emperor for life and had every GOPe Senator and Member of Congress burned at the stake live on CSPAN.”

I would pay good money to see that.

Blogger tMmM! January 05, 2021 12:11 PM  

Supposedly, Pence's office has confirmed VPOTUS will be there - but the only source for that confirmation I saw was CNN's Caitlan Collins, so ... yeah.

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 05, 2021 12:12 PM  

Off topic slightly, but I don't think most people realize how awesome Trump truly is. Others would gave rolled over, but in not doing so he is ensuring as fair a senate election as Georgia has probably ever had. All the eyes are on GA and if they fudge and get caught it opens the presidential election right back up in the eyes of the public. So the GE has also done his best to keep the senate while everyone tries to fuk him.

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 12:12 PM  

Correct. Raiklin had very interesting scenarios that could be done. One has Trump as pres and Kamala as Vp. The most powerful scenario is if Pence cites intelligence on foreign interference and doesn't accept the fraudulent electors. Mic Drop basically. If odni provided evidence as required by the EO, then they can hash it out past the 20th in lawsuits.

Blogger GammaCatch January 05, 2021 12:15 PM  

@78 They are going to make a big move against us at some point. Soon before, or after, Trump does whatever he does. DC would be obvious, but I think a massive national disruption is in their cards.

Blogger AsunderBear January 05, 2021 12:18 PM  

I wouldn’t mind seeing the human turtle behind some bars. Kentucky doesn’t need you Mitch.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 05, 2021 12:18 PM  

Its like the GOPe has been stuck in terminal error mode since Reagan left office.

That's when the Bush cabal took over both parties and turned them into two different flavors of globalism. Politics and elections from 1988 to 2015 were like scrimmages between two halves of a team: both sides tried to win, but the main purpose was to advance their common goals. They want that back.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel January 05, 2021 12:23 PM  

Meanwhile, GOPe poster child and corporate whore Paul Ryan chimed in with his thoughts.

Does anybody have any doubt Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are Walter and Peanut to the Cabal's Jeff Dunham?

Blogger Newscaper312 January 05, 2021 12:29 PM  

Re: Snake-in-the Grassley

Hope Pence borrows some of Nadler's Depends so he doesn't need any breaks.

Blogger Dollar Bill Stern January 05, 2021 12:30 PM  

I don't think these people in congress understand exactly what is going on in any way, shape or form with actual America. This shit shove is going to unite every American with half a brain left. The Cabal couldn't have come up with a better plan to get collective thought pushing the same direction if they would've created Covid ( wink, nod).

Blogger Rough Carrigan January 05, 2021 12:34 PM  

#96. Read Peter Schweitzer's book "Empires of Corruption" the Swamp Turtle is prominently featured.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel January 05, 2021 12:35 PM  

@61

You are everything I despise. Humorless and stupid.

Checks and balances?

What's the check on my state, Pennsylvania having an estimated 400k votes ripped off by Philadelphia, you blithering imbecile? Four states, with four cesspool cities and we get President Senile.

If your view of politics is "Schoolhouse Rock", you need to go somewhere else.

Do us a favor. Remove yourself from the gene pool.

Blogger Arthur Isaac January 05, 2021 12:37 PM  

I wouldn't mind seeing Mitch under a bar.

Blogger Boaty Bear January 05, 2021 12:39 PM  

Prior to Nov 3rd i thought worldwide lockdowns were definitely connected to adding credence to the Dems postal voting scam, i also thought they'd end after Nov 3rd, Got that wrong eh!
I suppose it could still be dependant on when the GE is inaugurated, or tomorrow?

So it seems the Citeh of London is still ploughing on with the destruction of small businesses and their Great reset via continued unjustified lockdowns!

On the bright side, all this Gubmint borrowing/spending means little when the GE destroys the central banks.

Have THAT "Great reset" ya fkers!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 12:40 PM  

VD wrote:Trump would do well to talk less and do more. It's gotten tedious.
Has it ever! Trump never acts until everyone is angered by his inaction, so I'm not quite ready to give up on him.
Erich Schwarz wrote:Between Jan. 6 and Jan. 20, the universe is going to decohere into one of the following Schrödinger's Cat situations:

1. Trump is a mighty God-Emperor ...

2. Trump is a well-meaning but rather gullible septuagenarian ...

I'm not sure that's actually a dichotomy.
Jeff wrote:@21, Not per Constitution, but per the Electoral Count Act of 1887. Definitely 2 hours per objection. Maybe per state, I'm not sure.

It's not clear to me from the article what this backroom deal actually does. If it's rolling all objections up into 1 and only allowing 2 hours, that's clearly illegal.

The ECA of 1887 is an act of congress. An act of this congress would overturn it. A previous legislature cannot bind a future legislature.
RedC wrote:Upon thinking of my many MSM/Rush Limbaugh/Mark Levin consuming Boomer family members who all voted for DJT, how do you think they would take whatever power move the God-Emperor makes if Pence publicly betrays him?
Nobody gives a damn about people who won't act.
Stilicho wrote:The Constitution also mandates no infringement on our right to keep and bear arms. Our ruling class has decide that means no unreasonable infringement and they will decide what is unreasonable at any given time to suit their agenda.
If you won't resort to violence, your opinion doesn't matter. Law abiding gun owners have no rights, because violence is illegal.
VD wrote:Second, the Republic has been dead for 150 years.
The Republic was a glorious experiment, but I'm not sure it's worth rewinding and restarting it. We already know how it turns out.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 05, 2021 12:40 PM  

Reagan republicans were never the mainstream of the GOP. That's why Reagan couldn't win the nom in 1976, and in 1980 a dead cat could have run against Carter and won.

Blogger urthshu January 05, 2021 12:41 PM  

Fozzy Bear - see any pallets of bricks laying about? There were reports already

Blogger Curlytop January 05, 2021 12:42 PM  

@Colonel Bimp
Lol, that's so funny! A friend in Ga just texted me that she saw Oregon license plates in the parking lot when she voted in her heavily Red County just now. Several counties...all heavily R reporting scan machines down w voters told "no worries we'll scan them later."

The war cometh...

Blogger dds January 05, 2021 12:45 PM  



The whole purpose of protecting the Constitution and acting in the interests of actual Americans is that you Don't make backroom deals with 3 people who have told you they hate you and all you're supporters for the past 40 years.

The corruption is so deep. Its why centralization is so harmful--- letting 4 people decide how the fraud of millions should be settled for the benefit of said 4 people is repugnant.

That's what they're trying to make happen.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 12:45 PM  

Last night my wife had Trump's big Georgia rally playing loud all evening. Trump didn't sound as if he's ready to quit fighting. He kept saying that there's going to be big stuff in the next couple weeks, so don't expect resolution tomorrow. I don't think we've seen even the beginning of the end yet.

Blogger Skeptical nurse January 05, 2021 12:47 PM  

Up to two hours per state, I believe...

Blogger Pratisara January 05, 2021 12:54 PM  

The deal between them is: whoever wins gets 2/3rd of the loot and the loser gets the 1/3rd.

Which is why they both hate the Don - there is no loot.

Blogger Akulkis January 05, 2021 12:56 PM  

>> You can't even jokingly advocate your candidate be declared "God-Emperor for life" and claim that you are for democracy/the Republic.

What democracy?

Democracy is PROHIBITED at both the federal and state level.

I know of no county which is a democracy. I know of no city which is a democracy. There is no township in this country which is run as a democracy. The largest democracy in the U.S. is some podunk hamlet of a couple dozen families in Connecticut which pretends to be a town.

Democracy is an unworkable sham promoted by leftist assholes in the education system, and other slimy people.

As for the republic... Do we really have a choice in who we are sending t o the legislatures?

It all smells of a handful of candidates all chosen by the same cabal.

Blogger Legacy16 January 05, 2021 12:57 PM  

Vox, you're getting more entertaining every day. Thanks for the dry wit...

"I admire President Trump's determination to give everyone the chance to do the right thing before lowering the boom. But at this point, I'd just as soon he declared himself God-Emperor for life and had every GOPe Senator and Member of Congress burned at the stake live on CSPAN."

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Blogger Frozen Territory January 05, 2021 1:03 PM  

If I was a hardware store or garden center owner near the DC area, I would be rush ordering tiki torches and any fork shaped implements I could. The rally on the 6th is going to steel the spine of whomever is counting the votes, one way or another.

Blogger Joeplanet January 05, 2021 1:03 PM  

Nate, when did that happen? I know for a fact we saw Nadler do it.

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 1:21 PM  

I said the same several weeks ago.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 05, 2021 1:22 PM  

The Republican party was red from the start. Don't kid yourself.

Blogger LoneWolf January 05, 2021 1:26 PM  

Senator Cassidy, now that you've shown your true colors by stating that you will vote to elect Biden, you can be sure that the people of Louisiana will not vote to re-elect you. But that doesn't matter because the machines will say that you won anyway (and that's just fine and dandy with you, right Bill?

Blogger Nemesis The Warlock January 05, 2021 1:27 PM  

@24. Paulus

I agree. Trump is the most popular man in the world and people seem to be looking for someone, anyone to stand up and call out this insanity. If Trump does what he must do, I think they're terrified that folks in the UK will take heart and start fighting back.

@41. Opus

"Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, man up, be strong." 1 Cor 16:13

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge January 05, 2021 1:27 PM  

"Upon thinking of my many MSM/Rush Limbaugh/Mark Levin consuming Boomer family members who all voted for DJT, how do you think they would take whatever power move the God-Emperor makes if Pence publicly betrays him?"

I've been thinking of how election fraud is like boxing: Plenty of cheating with the occasional low blow, headbutt, ect. and while you might, if you're on the receiving end, complain to the ref, you basically accept the "way of things" and try to win regardless.

What we have here is the equivilent of one boxer blatantly hitting the other after the bell in every round. Both the ref and the crowd see it, but nobody steps in. Eventually the boxer fighting fair gets genuinely hurt and rightly can expect more of it.

The cucks tell him to just do his best without breaking the rules, and then just hope for the best.

Anyone who is sane says cripple the vastard if you have to because there is no winning with this ref regardless of how fair the actual rules are.

Warm up the helocopters!

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 1:28 PM  

@72 10 years?! No, we won't have thst long before the CCP PLA is here visibly to make that can't happen.

Blogger RA January 05, 2021 1:37 PM  

"When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk."

“But if you miss you had better miss very well. Whoever double-crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco.”

Blogger Fozzy Bear January 05, 2021 1:39 PM  

Oh cool, nobody told me Big Bear would be speaking!

Blogger Test 1 2 3 January 05, 2021 1:43 PM  

God's will be done...

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 1:51 PM  

That's how Raiklin reading it too. 12th amendment construct.

Blogger Erich Schwarz January 05, 2021 1:53 PM  

Epoch Times says that, by a voice vote, Congress decided last night to restrict challenges on January 6th to two hours for *all* states and to require a majority from *both* houses. Effectively neutering any objections.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-approves-rules-regulating-jan-6-electoral-vote-count

Blogger SecondComingOfBast January 05, 2021 2:05 PM  

I don't remember hearing about that. Are you confusing Grassley with Jerold Nadler?

Blogger Other Josh January 05, 2021 2:07 PM  

Pence's political career will either be destroyed or rocketed into the stratosphere based on what he does tomorrow. He'll either surprise everyone with his bravery (good), be weak and middling (expected), or totally stab Trump in the back. The latter two will destroy his career. The first will turn him overnight into a political rock star.

Blogger Other Josh January 05, 2021 2:08 PM  

Pence's political career will either be destroyed or rocketed into the stratosphere based on what he does tomorrow. He'll either surprise everyone with his bravery (good), be weak and middling (expected), or totally stab Trump in the back. The latter two will destroy his career. The first will turn him overnight into a political rock star.

Blogger A Beautiful Saturday Morning January 05, 2021 2:11 PM  

Either Grassley had an Alexander Haig moment or all hell is going to break loose tomorrow!

Blogger Crew January 05, 2021 2:16 PM  

@91: Do you think we could start a GoFundMe for that, or maybe a Patreon account?

Blogger Jack Aubrey January 05, 2021 2:17 PM  

Colonel Blimp wrote:All the eyes are on GA and if they fudge and get caught it opens the presidential election right back up in the eyes of the public. So the GE has also done his best to keep the senate while everyone tries to fuk him.

You'd think so, but I predict they will attempt to shamelessly steal this election in front of everyone watching, and scream "Us'ns dindu nuffin!" when the fewmets hit the windmill.

Blogger Fozzy Bear January 05, 2021 2:19 PM  

Please excuse my brainfart. The voice, message, and piano strains briefly confused me.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast January 05, 2021 2:22 PM  

The states and local communities should not be denying private citizens their constitutional rights under the Bill of Rights either but they do it every day. One thing that has almost caused me to lose patience with Trump is him not putting a stop to it by use of force, if necessary. And I posit that it is necessary.

I also tire of his refusal to mow Antifa and BLM punks down in hails of nachine gun fire, which he should also do.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast January 05, 2021 2:31 PM  

I don't know how valid this is but do you remember what Trump gave as the reason he agreed not to declassify certain Kennedy assasination documents? Accoding to him, it would harm our relations with our allies. I took that to mean our Western European allies.

So, if Posobiec was right and assuming he's telling the truth, that is one hell of a threat.

Blogger LoneWolf January 05, 2021 2:42 PM  

@74 kurt9: "Its like the GOPe has been stuck in terminal error mode since Reagan left office."

Reagan gave us the neocons.

Blogger kurt9 January 05, 2021 2:56 PM  

DJ | AMDG wrote:@kurt9. And weren’t both Regan and Trump once Democrats? I wonder what that might mean if anything.

Yes they were. What it means to me is that both men came out of an era where the Democrats were considered the populist party, as opposed to those snooty country-club republicans.

Blogger JM January 05, 2021 3:04 PM  

This is Pence's moment of truth. Either he will do the right thing, or, he will be utterly despised for a century to come. Or, possibly, he will simply not show up.

I can just hear the NPR morning talk shows on Thursday morning blathering their propaganda about how Pence "rose to the occasion" and "had the courage" to accept the "will of the people" and decide for Biden.

Meanwhile every decent hard-working person I know will be cursing his name, rightfully regarding him as traitorous scum, lower than Roberts.

Blogger Akulkis January 05, 2021 3:09 PM  

Dying in a fire would be too merciful for Romney and Ryan.

Skinning alive would be better.

Blogger Ross January 05, 2021 3:21 PM  

The fraud farce is still going on in Georgia today with the run-off. Dominion machines are breaking down and voters are asked to leave their votes in a box to be scanned later!!
They are breaking down in mainly strong Republican precincts, apparently.

Blogger Jeff January 05, 2021 3:35 PM  

Erich Schwarz wrote:Epoch Times says that, by a voice vote, Congress decided last night to restrict challenges on January 6th to two hours for *all* states and to require a majority from *both* houses. Effectively neutering any objections.

I don't see anything in that article saying it's two hours for all objections. The only reference is that objections will trigger a two hour debate. That, for each slate objected to, and needing a majority in both houses to uphold an objection are both part of the law, not something invented in a backroom deal for this case.

Blogger Freedom from Liberals January 05, 2021 3:35 PM  

Burning at the stake is merciful in that the pain is purifying, prompting the condemned to call out to God for mercy lest they burn for all eternity.

Blogger Freedom from Liberals January 05, 2021 3:38 PM  

This begs the question: will a single politician remain in power if Trump pulls off his plan?

Blogger Robert Browning January 05, 2021 3:38 PM  

What did I tell you about the Irish? Are they or are they not a treacherous lot? Mick-Connell, Mick-Carthy, and Mick Pence.

Blogger Freedom from Liberals January 05, 2021 3:44 PM  

My faith in Pence is pretty low. He is so fake & unctuous

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 3:45 PM  

Legacy16 wrote:Vox, you're getting more entertaining every day. Thanks for the dry wit...

"I admire President Trump's determination to give everyone the chance to do the right thing before lowering the boom. But at this point, I'd just as soon he declared himself God-Emperor for life and had every GOPe Senator and Member of Congress burned at the stake live on CSPAN."

Do you really think that's a joke?

Blogger M. ANTHONY January 05, 2021 3:46 PM  

Snakes gonna slither.

Blogger JM January 05, 2021 3:52 PM  

Pence has ALREADY cucked:

'Pence, as president of the Senate, will open “all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes,” the rules state, a nod to how seven states sent so-called competing electors, or certificates for both Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and President Donald Trump, to Washington.'

There you have it. He has agreed to open all the votes, from the fraudulent elections and illegally-certified states, and (it would appear) the alternate ones. By agreeing to accepting the obviously fraudulent votes ahead of time, he has just revealed that he has very little spine and less principle. And the vote to do this was an unrecorded voice vote--that's a nice little touch.

So now we know what Pence is made of.

Article at Zero Hedge:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-approves-rules-regulating-jan-6-electoral-vote-count

Blogger Gator McCluskey January 05, 2021 3:55 PM  

@145 No one cares what you think.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 January 05, 2021 3:58 PM  

Adding popcorn to the grocery list....

Blogger waterdragon1657 January 05, 2021 4:01 PM  

@144 Very few if any. I don't even know who even stands For the People at this point apart from our GEOTUS.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 January 05, 2021 4:10 PM  

Well. Keep your powder dry folks. Either way it'll be a fight.

Blogger van helsing January 05, 2021 4:14 PM  

128, yes he is confused.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 05, 2021 4:20 PM  

kennymac wrote:No one cares what you think.'Evidently, you do.
And more than that he's right. The Irish didn't invent political corruption, but they definitely elaborated the idea and customized it for the American Republic. Just like they did for organized crime. All the political machines of the 19th century were Irish organized crime families writ large.

Blogger Catchthefox January 05, 2021 4:23 PM  

Well thank you.

Blogger Fozzy Bear January 05, 2021 4:25 PM  

@urthshu no bricks or broken pavers that I’ve seen, and the only place I saw lumber left around was on three sides of McPherson Square

Blogger 7916 January 05, 2021 4:25 PM  

@149 Did you bother to read the Senate resolution?

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 4:32 PM  

That's what I get for using voice to text.

Blogger AJ January 05, 2021 4:40 PM  

Also remember that if the Executive of the States can override their state constitution when it comes to elections, it makes a poor argument that the Federal Executive cannot do the same -- goose, gander and all that

Blogger Colonel Blimp January 05, 2021 4:40 PM  

Any doubt Ryan was the 10 year old boy present for Romney and was "mentored" into his position? Greek style.

Blogger Jehu January 05, 2021 4:41 PM  

So what happens if Pence just counts the Trump delegates and ignores the disputed Biden ones? Does the Senate and House have to object to his count, requiring a majority in both houses? Or is there some way they can prevent him from doing that?

Blogger Gator McCluskey January 05, 2021 4:41 PM  

@155 ergo Pence is a traitor? Thought you were smarter than that Snidely.

Blogger FlecktarnBear January 05, 2021 4:49 PM  

I'd be very surprised, after everything Thomas Wictor has shared, if it turns out to be "Traitor Pence".

Blogger VFM #7634 January 05, 2021 4:52 PM  

Pence has ALREADY cucked:

'Pence, as president of the Senate, will open “all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes,” the rules state, a nod to how seven states sent so-called competing electors, or certificates for both Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and President Donald Trump, to Washington.'

There you have it. He has agreed to open all the votes, from the fraudulent elections and illegally-certified states, and (it would appear) the alternate ones. By agreeing to accepting the obviously fraudulent votes ahead of time, he has just revealed that he has very little spine and less principle. And the vote to do this was an unrecorded voice vote--that's a nice little touch.

So now we know what Pence is made of.


I don't consider that cucking. Cucking would be opening the certs and papers for the Democrat votes from the disputed states and refusing to consider the alternate GOP votes... basically doing like the courts and dismissing the alternates for lack of standing.

Granted of course he could cuck later, but he didn't do so here.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 05, 2021 4:55 PM  

What did I tell you about the Irish? Are they or are they not a treacherous lot? Mick-Connell, Mick-Carthy, and Mick Pence.

Most white Americans have at least some Irish background. You might as well be calling white Americans treacherous.

Blogger SciVo January 05, 2021 5:09 PM  

There is no universe in which the Biden campaign's fraud is allowed to stand and then everyone just says "oh well, guess we lost" and the country moves on like everything is normal.

Blogger Unknown January 05, 2021 5:25 PM  

>"That comes from Jack Posobiec, who IMO is a disinfo agent, who has put out lots of fake nonsense. Jack was pushing a false Q some time back."

Yes. He's a black-washer. He blended UFOs into that particular mix. Is Bigfoot next, Jack? Hey Jack: why not associate President Trump's dispute of the election results with "Elvis is alive" claims, as well? Maybe hire some actors, interview them saying it was Martians that inspired their support of Trunk.

Blogger Unknown January 05, 2021 5:26 PM  

*Trump

I hate my phone.

Blogger Elder Son January 05, 2021 5:35 PM  

What did I tell you about the Irish? Are they or are they not a treacherous lot?

I've met a lot of treacherous people in my life, and they weren't all, or just, Irish.

To say, "Well, they're Irish. Would did you expect," is just stupid.

I wonder, is it the English in me that calms the treacherous Irish in me? Maybe the Scots? The Welsh? Maybe it's the Germanic? Are there no treacherous English, or Scots, or Welsh, or Germanic?

Maybe the treacherous House and Senate are all Irish?

Blogger Elder Son January 05, 2021 5:47 PM  

The Republic was a glorious experiment, but I'm not sure it's worth rewinding and restarting it. We already know how it turns out.

A republic, if the constitution and/or your representatives can keep it?

It was, and is, on us.

And if there ever is another constitution, with representation or not, it too will be on us.

Blogger RandyJJ January 05, 2021 6:07 PM  

For those jumping in to defend the Irish, I would suggest you carefully examine your arguments to see if similar ones couldn't just as easily be applied to statements made about Africans. If they can, that doesn't mean your position is wrong, it just means your argument sucks.

Blogger JWM in SD January 05, 2021 6:09 PM  

@162 they can take it court later. That's what Reiklin is advocating.

Blogger Charlie January 05, 2021 6:19 PM  

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/01/05/senator-tim-scott-announces-he-will-not-support-any-electoral-certification-challenges/#more-206852 Great article with detail and background info 'Before getting to the key points… remember: In March of 2016 an exclusive list of top tech executives, billionaires, donors and influence agents gathered at a secretive meeting with key leaders of the Washington DC UniParty. The meeting was to discuss their plans to avoid, eliminate and/or destroy the candidacy of Donald Trump.' Meeting was in Sea Island, Georgia

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 6:21 PM  

@21 "Isn't it mandated at two hours PER STATE objected to, via the constitution?"

Because we've seen such fidelity to the Constitution all along?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 05, 2021 6:25 PM  

I wonder, is it the English in me that calms the treacherous Irish in me? Maybe the Scots? The Welsh? Maybe it's the Germanic? Are there no treacherous English, or Scots, or Welsh, or Germanic?
It's old knowledge, seemingly forgotten in the new anti-racist age:
Irish are treacherous belligerent drunks and gamblers.
English are perfidious schemers who suck up to power.
Welsh are lazy irrational thieves.
Scots are skinflint brittle cheats.
French are faithless cowards.
Germans are slavishly obedient lickspittles.

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 6:35 PM  

@46 "We'd all greatly prefer outcome [1]. But will we get it?"

Lots and lots of folks are questioning Trump's WILL to do what he needs to. I'm wondering if those folks are FORGETTING his many years of highly successful career? He never "went easy" on an opponent. He almost never gave up and retreated; unless you count things like building his high-rise AROUND the tiny house of that idiot woman who wouldn't sell as a retreat? He won big because he risked big.

Heck, he built a THIRTY-FOOT HILL on his property, so his thirty-foot flag pole would give him the 60' flagpole he'd had till the HOA sued him in court and won.

THIS 'poker game with knives' (running chain saws? {wince}) he's playing is probably both exhausting and fun for him. Nerve-wracking for US, sure; but it's been his life to gamble and win.

Blogger patlalrique January 05, 2021 6:42 PM  

My opinion now is the Trump team have deliberatly maintained the uncertainty about what Pence could do so the other side wouldn't attack that flank. They also wanted to make him appear neutral.

Pence will likely do something that will infuriate the other side and they wanted to wait the last moment to let people know what he will do.

My guess is anything that VP do tommorow will bring back the narrative in favor of Trump and meet a very agressive reaction.

Blogger Elder Son January 05, 2021 6:54 PM  

@172 Snidely Whiplash

Irish are treacherous belligerent drunks and gamblers. - 16%
English are perfidious schemers who suck up to power. - 57%
Welsh are lazy irrational thieves. - 3%
Scots are skinflint brittle cheats. - 22%
Germans are slavishly obedient lickspittles. - 2%

Thanks Snidely! I finally found the real ME! At least I have 41% redeeming value.

BTW, I'm saving that. Thanks, you saved my life.

Blogger JM January 05, 2021 6:55 PM  

Jehu wrote:So what happens if Pence just counts the Trump delegates and ignores the disputed Biden ones? Does the Senate and House have to object to his count, requiring a majority in both houses? Or is there some way they can prevent him from doing that?

Pence has already agreed to count everything. He could have decided to throw out the fraudulent votes and/or accept alternative votes.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 6:56 PM  

Elder Son wrote:And if there ever is another constitution, with representation or not, it too will be on us.
ES, no constitution, no system, is going to overcome the fact that this a fallen world of sinners. Anything, everything, will be perverted in the fullness of time, and once perverted will have to be destroyed and replaced. E.g., our current system.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat January 05, 2021 6:59 PM  

Seemed like an “I do this in sadness not in anger” type of speech. Like when your Dad use give you the old “This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you” line just before taking off his belt.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 7:02 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:It's old knowledge, seemingly forgotten in the new anti-racist age:
Irish are treacherous belligerent drunks and gamblers.
English are perfidious schemers who suck up to power.
Welsh are lazy irrational thieves.
Scots are skinflint brittle cheats.
French are faithless cowards.
Germans are slavishly obedient lickspittles.

Recast that without the pejorative language and there isn't much to argue with, IKAGO not withstanding.

The orientals say similar things. Japanese are crafty, Koreans are stubborn, Chinese are perfect is the Chinese version. Stereotypes are caricatures, but they are usually accurate portrayals of the group.

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 7:03 PM  

@76 "... Mike Pence.... You're a ruthless snake who will slit his own mother's throat if it means political advancement for you. You're finished."

You know, another view of this might be.... let's imagine a duel is approaching. Our duelist SENDS HIS SECOND to negotiate the terms: the grounds, the timing and signal, the details about the duel -- and WHO WILL BURY THE BODY!!

Everyone is assuming Pence is going to fold or cuck. WHY not also consider that he MAY be serving as a 'good and faithful servant' to his "lord" before the duel. MAYBE he walked -- swaggered -- into a meeting with these enemies of the state, domestic; to lay down some laws about just what is and is not going to happen tomorrow.

I don't KNOW enough about Pence to guess either way -- do you?

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 7:10 PM  

@99 "Hope Pence borrows some of Nadler's Depends so he doesn't need any breaks."

No problems -- Pence will get LOTS of 2-hour breaks... The "two-hours for discussion" say that each House goes to their chambers to argue, and then returns. It's not a free-for-all with both groups; it's a free-for-all in each group on their own.

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 7:14 PM  

@105 "Has it ever! Trump never acts until everyone is angered by his inaction, so I'm not quite ready to give up on him."

I'm reminded of the Big Bear talking in his Vox Day documentary of learning to handle hecklers -- that the comedian has to wait and wait and let the heckler go waaaaaay too far, so the CROWD wants him to STFU... If the comedian starts barking back at the heckler too soon, the crowd is drawn to the heckler; if he waits till the crowd WANTS to jump the heckler; then he has open range to fire at will... Trump is a master at goading his opponents; have we not seen it for four+ years?

Blogger Elder Son January 05, 2021 7:15 PM  

181. Ominous Cowherd

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

The written Word is not perverted, but perverted by man.

Our constitution, though imperfect, was perverted by man.

I've heard for over 20 years that we need an new constitution by various characters, but no one seems to want to whip one up. But I also remind them, exactly what you just said. It will be perverted, by man, just like the one we have. And no one is willing to take the pains to keep it. Just like the one we have.

Blogger Freedom from Liberals January 05, 2021 7:22 PM  

If he is going to open votes from both sets of electors that is excellent news. It will mean the vote goes to the House provided enough states are sending 2 sets. Is that the case? Then the question is whether the House members have the stones to do what's right. If they cuck and vote for Biden (would they do that?) then Trump would lose a constitutional argument for taking action to remain in office.

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 7:22 PM  

@136 " Accoding to him, it would harm our relations with our allies. I took that to mean our Western European allies."

Then you are VERY naive! Should be:

"According to him, it would harm our relations with our (((allies))). I took that to mean our (((allies)))."

'fraid I have lost hope that Q was giving out solid information when he said they were saving (((that shitty little country)))for last.... Or, at least implications that I would be happy with the end of the MASSIVE FOREIGN messing-about with our nation and country BY that shitty little country!

Blogger Avalanche January 05, 2021 7:26 PM  

@141 "The fraud farce is still going on in Georgia today with the run-off"

I was thinking today of writing the GA Secty of State, pointing out that HE will go down in the annals of history as a traitor to his nation and his country -- and his CHILDREN will live forever being identified as the children of a traitor; and THEIR children will be known as the grandchildren of a traitor.... And maybe he should just confess to his treason and help clean up the mess he has made!

It's not just him and his perfidy... it's his lineage!

Blogger lowercaseb January 05, 2021 7:32 PM  

All hell is breaking loose in the Penn senate right now. A preview of what is going to happen tomorrow?

Blogger Meng Greenleaf January 05, 2021 7:37 PM  

We're certainly down to the wire now.

Regardless of what happens tomorrow, or on noon January 20th, the issues that arise from genetic population differences, as well as the ongoing (and increasing rate of) dysgenesis are not being dealt with one way or another (scientifically or naturally).

Otherwise, I was thinking about Communism. Even though Communists talk a big talk about 'Workers of the World", in reality the inability to grow enough food seems to lead instead to both a partial cleansing of the genome (through starvation) and at the same time, nationalism.

When times are tough, calorically, people find it in themselves to hate their genetically different arsehole neighbors - and politicians find nationalism an expedient scapegoat.

So, don't lose heart - A POTUS Heels-Up Harris might usher in those Communistic reforms / mass starvation needed to fix much that is wrong with the USA. And, just in time for the 2032 election of a Nationalist.

Just think of the bigger picture.

In the meantime, hold the line and support Trump right up and through January 20th. Continue to support Trump if he remains aligned with the values that founded the republic.

Blogger Sam January 05, 2021 8:07 PM  

@Jehu: I would absolutely "agree" to whatever terms made the Promethians feel good.

Then I would do whatever the hell I pleased. These people have no right to the truth.

Blogger JM January 05, 2021 8:10 PM  

Freedom from Liberals wrote:If he is going to open votes from both sets of electors that is excellent news. It will mean the vote goes to the House provided enough states are sending 2 sets. Is that the case? Then the question is whether the House members have the stones to do what's right. If they cuck and vote for Biden (would they do that?) then Trump would lose a constitutional argument for taking action to remain in office.

It would have been far easier if he had decided to exclude the fraudulent electoral votes. Sure, there would have been a legal challenge and might have been tossed to the House anyway, but why not take that option first?

Blogger kurt9 January 05, 2021 8:24 PM  

Realistically speaking, what legal options does Trump have if tomorrow goes bad for him?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 05, 2021 8:46 PM  

kennymac wrote:Pence is a traitor? Thought you were smarter than that Snidely.
Putting words in my mouth?
Monkeying around with the moderator? I thought you were smarter than that, Kennymac

Blogger LoneWolf January 05, 2021 8:50 PM  

@184 Avalanche: "WHY not also consider that he [Pence] MAY be serving as a 'good and faithful servant' to his "lord" before the duel."

If he is, then my profound and obeisant mea culpas are waiting in the wings.

Blogger Bezzle January 05, 2021 8:54 PM  

Grassley is one of the cabal's flyover-country factory-farm ethanol swinehogs. He's been in politics longer than Joe Biden has.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd January 05, 2021 8:57 PM  

kurt9 wrote:Realistically speaking, what legal options does Trump have if tomorrow goes bad for him?
Legal options? There is no law.

Blogger A trite re-white January 05, 2021 8:57 PM  

Watched Trump's 1/5 Georgia speech. I'd like to see Biden try to perform that... He couldn't do it, he's too dumb.

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