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Saturday, January 23, 2021

The Ride, She Never Ends

D-Live has doubled-down and banned Big Bear. How fortunate that the Patreon lawsuit has already been successfully concluded.... In answer to the obvious question, yes, UATV will have streaming in the future. We will not answer any questions as to when. When it is ready, we will let everyone know.

If you're not yet on Unauthorized, well, you know what to do. The cult of free is over. Keep in mind that under the present regime, Big Tech is going to be banning everyone to the right of Hillary Clinton. In related news, Parler is learning why cloud technology is not an option.

When Amazon Web Services informed Parler that it was terminating its hosting deal, the social platform initially maintained that it would be back online in a week. It appears to have secured DNS hosting from Epik (the Sammamish, WA-company that hosts sites like 8chan, the Daily Stormer, Gab and Stormfront who have been dropped from other providers and recently lost its relationship with PayPal because of that).

But a later statement indicated that other providers are not willing to host the platform and as a result, the service may not return: “most people with enough servers to host us have shut their doors to us,” a statement to the Parler user base read and the company’s legal team suggested in court might not return without access to AWS.

Even if the social network finds a hosting provider, setting up all the different services it needs could be prohibitively slow, or even impossible. For all the talk of hybrid and edge computing, hyperscale cloud still has some hard to beat advantages for organizations with small infrastructure teams and not much capital expenditure budget who need to build large services quickly.

Needless to say, we're not relying on the cloud for anything, not even brand new projects that are not even remotely political. In not-entirely-unrelated-news, MeWe is not a viable Facebook-alternative.

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88 Comments:

Blogger Jon W January 23, 2021 12:26 PM  

Running your infrastructure in the cloud is like paying on a debt you can never pay off.

Blogger Ingemar January 23, 2021 12:38 PM  

People joke that we'll have to move to smoke signals and carrier pigeons at the rate things are going. But ultimately, maybe de-Techifying is the way to go.

The internet and globalization means that Indians and Pinoys can take your job without them every having to leave their home town. If the whole Big Tech infrastructure crumbles, those who prepared for a post-industrial, localized economy will be the new rulers. They won't have the power and reach of US Presidents or even US Big City mayors, but having too much power is evil, anyways.

Blogger RadixMalorum January 23, 2021 12:45 PM  

I hope the bears make the rubble bounce.

Blogger Imwill January 23, 2021 12:49 PM  

“Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch.”

One sentence later....

“We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.”

So basically He has no idea what the hell He is talking about and His team is incompetent. Check.

Trust me, His service was not that big, He never needed AWS at His level.

Blogger TMLutas January 23, 2021 12:49 PM  

There's nothing wrong with cloud technology. What's important is cloud control. If you buy a rack, fill it with servers and necessary accessories like rack sized UPS systems, you can run the hardware you've got old school or you can run your own cloud.

Cloud is better.

A lot of our problems are based on trusting the ownership and control of vital systems to people who simply are not trustworthy. The vital systems need no changes. The people controlling them are in need of replacement, end and full stop.

Business plans need to accommodate growth trajectories that treat the need to do a full scale replacement of your cloud vender with organic, company owned facilities as a real possibility and the termination of such business relationships with cloud vendors as a branding, marketing, and advertising opportunity.

Blogger White Wolf's Son January 23, 2021 12:56 PM  

This is why being anti-fragile is vital for anyone the left is gunning for.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot January 23, 2021 1:07 PM  

brand new projects that are not even remotely political.

No such item. Anything and all things must be subjected to ideological purity tests.

Blogger Kevin C. McCarthy January 23, 2021 1:27 PM  

There is trovo.live which he could use, which other streamers have gone to. While nothing you don't own is a "safe place," Gab is working on livestreaming but, like UATV, it's not yet available. However, depending on how far off UATV is, maybe Andrew Torba would be open to letting Big Bear test Gab's streaming?

Perhaps foolish, but I trust Gab will be a safe haven for Big Bear (outside of UATV, of course).

Blogger Attila is my bro January 23, 2021 1:35 PM  

MeWeinstein. Shocking...

Blogger Hammerli 280 January 23, 2021 1:36 PM  

There's probably money to be made in operating a Conservative Server Service. The big problem being where to host it. Finland? Switzerland? Eastern Europe?

Blogger CoffeeGroundsBear January 23, 2021 1:37 PM  

I will support Owen and The Bears if he decides to pursue this. 🐻

Blogger Michael Harrison January 23, 2021 1:39 PM  

I saw this on AC. Even something like security research has a political bent now. So we can include IT security with medical science as a corrupted field.

The comments are an echo chamber of political venom. I'm sickened.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/ddos-guard-to-forfeit-internet-space-occupied-by-parler/#more-54087

Blogger The Deuce January 23, 2021 1:40 PM  

Imo, development of a good federation protocol is an absolute must, to allow interconnected networks of self-hosted media sites to collectively achieve the scale and reach of sites like Twitter and Facebook, without any individual site having the kind of traffic that would otherwise require the sort of massive resources that enterprise cloud services provide.

Also, a network of thousands of interconnected sites spread all over the world would obviously be a lot harder for Big Tech or the US government to take down than a single site.

Blogger Nate January 23, 2021 1:40 PM  

Cloud computing was never not stupid.

Blogger Gareth January 23, 2021 1:42 PM  

Vox, may I make a suggestion. Link to unauthorised on each of these posts. Searching for it on search engines only brings up the old version of it, and mobile devices such as this don’t show your sidebar.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 23, 2021 1:43 PM  

Accurate

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 23, 2021 1:46 PM  

The founder of MeWe's last name is Weinstein. That's not even trying.

Blogger James Borgo January 23, 2021 1:50 PM  

Excuse me if I don't join UA to give Owen Benjamin (a man who has called Trump a tranny) money. Why on earth would you associate with scum like that?

Blogger Isolden January 23, 2021 2:02 PM  

I am new to VP, and looked at the subscribing options. Not sure what the other channels are? If I do a base sub, is there info posted there as to what channels do what? Thanks and sorry to bother you.

Blogger Zastavnik Džemo January 23, 2021 2:06 PM  

Cloud computing works and works good.
Problem is not the tech.
Problem is that everything is owned by the enemy.

Blogger Jake January 23, 2021 2:07 PM  

Generic conservative: "I don't see any problem with letting people from all over the world come here to cook my food, build my house, and educate my children."

Also generic conservative: "I don't see any problem with letting people who hate me own the services and technology that is critical to my business."

It's only taken a few generations to reduce us dodo-birds.

Blogger SciVo January 23, 2021 2:08 PM  

@Nate:

True. I have the impression that it's the C-suite's fault: they liked what they heard (because they heard what they wanted to), so smart and honest IT managers got shuffled to the side for not pretending that The Cloud was the best thing since the integrated circuit.

Blogger Didas Kalos January 23, 2021 2:09 PM  

There is this law, you see. It's called the Law of Unintended Consequences, you see. And it will bite you when you don't expect it, you see. 'in my best mafioso voice'

Blogger Chiva January 23, 2021 2:10 PM  

Cloud computing is useful in certain use cases. The problem is how idiotic companies use cloud computing as a panacea for all of their data storage needs. Parler was doomed from the start.

Blogger Boo Boo the Fool, Esquire January 23, 2021 2:16 PM  

Cloud Computing is the biggest money laundering scam since Organized Gambling. It's also why you buy a $5000 computer and it has no software on it except Notepad and an extremely dated file manager. Home computer users are being stonewalled by the total absence of any client-side software progress. Make Computing Local Again.

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare January 23, 2021 2:18 PM  

It was a beautiful bit of marketing bull, though. A pile of excrement ("put all your critical data and infrastructure on computers you don't even own, and pay for the privilege!")

Was successfully sold as dish of fresh caught lobster ("efficient, untrammeled access to everything you might need, without the expense of owning your own servers and paying an IT department, etc, etc...")

It's sort of impressive, really. Disgusting, despicable, and a depressing reminder of just how true the "I" in MPAI really is...but impressive all the same.

Blogger Ingot9455 January 23, 2021 2:34 PM  

@19 The other channels of Unauthorized.tv are a way to donate money directly to those people. At this time you don't get more or special access though that may change. Think of it like a donation subscription to them kinda like Patreon.

Blogger Doktor Jeep January 23, 2021 2:37 PM  

"Cloud" is just another term for "somebody else's computer". It was a shit idea even in 2009 when every brainless marketer and his brother picked up on the idea. Now its cloud this and cloud that. It's all a scam and one that people pay to be scammed.
I got to a point where I would get asked about whether a cloud could be used, usually by office midwits, solely because they hear the term. Drove me up the wall.
The cloud needs to die. It's the worst idea since vynil toofs on cars.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 23, 2021 2:40 PM  

Executives embraced the Cloud because it meant they didn't have to employ those weird guys who used to get paid well to hang around in the server room doing things the executives didn't understand. They could let Amazon or Microsoft or someone hire them (or pajeets to replace them) and ride along on a layer above all that, saving money (supposedly) on the deal.

It's sort of like hiring passage on someone else's ship instead of owning your own, so you don't have to deal with the dirty oarsmen down in the hold. It's great until the captain decides he doesn't want to haul you anymore, and then you're screwed.

Blogger matthewmp111 January 23, 2021 2:40 PM  

Dump ALL social media and reclaim your lives.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( *autistic screeching* ) January 23, 2021 3:05 PM  

Cloud servers *might* be useful for some things, but ONLY if you consider that they are an extra risk factor.

can your business function if the Internet goes down? if the fiber backbone to your town gets cut? if a major nation initiates a DDOS attack for some reason? if an SJW manager hears one of your company's salesmen make a dongle joke?

i would be leery of putting critical functions on the Cloud and completely excising local access and control.

Blogger Parallax January 23, 2021 3:09 PM  

Not a joke. I’m working out anti-fragile comms plan for my network. Not even Dixie cups are ruled out. Not perfect but flexible enough to compensate for jamming.

Blogger macus poker blog January 23, 2021 3:14 PM  

Remember? 30 years ago, the Internet had no social media. We just used to follow specific blogs and forums. It's now back to basics. Without DJT, I can finally detox from Tiwtter. It's a liberating feeling. This blog is now a part of my daily reading list.

Blogger Boaty Bear January 23, 2021 3:15 PM  

Owen is an accomplished comedian,
but he still isn't the life and soul of the party like you!

Blogger wahr01 January 23, 2021 3:23 PM  

Cloud has its place as an ephemeral means of expanding service during sudden spikes in traffic, but if you're not moving any continuously-used capacity in-house you're doing it wrong.

As for what's going on with Parler:
A rack of commodity hardware costs less per year than this lawsuit will.

What makes it worse is the number of people with expertise administering colo environments vastly outnumbers those with "cloud" and midwit hiring managers consider anyone without "AWS Certified" to be lepers, so they'll be cheap to hire.

Parler are so incompetent I'm becoming convinced it's a psy-op designed to discourage others from even trying.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 23, 2021 3:26 PM  

Cloud co.outing serves two purposes.
1) clouds scale extremely qucikly
2) IT infrastructure cost is moved from capital to service expense.
Don't underestimate that 2nd one.

Blogger Br1cht January 23, 2021 3:31 PM  

Isolden wrote:I am new to VP, and looked at the subscribing options. Not sure what the other channels are? If I do a base sub, is there info posted there as to what channels do what? Thanks and sorry to bother you.

They range from Razorfist´s diatribes regarding the Anathema cult---- to gardening, philosofi, history, literature to BB´s rather bombastic multihour streams and much more so if you´re interested in the good, the beautiful and the true I can state with confidence that you´ll find more hours to watch than you can spare the time for.

I find the Darkstream and the Voxiversity most to my liking but see for yourself and be welcome brother.

Blogger CM January 23, 2021 3:38 PM  

Ingemar wrote:People joke that we'll have to move to smoke signals and carrier pigeons at the rate things are going. But ultimately, maybe de-Techifying is the way to go.

The internet and globalization means that Indians and Pinoys can take your job without them every having to leave their home town. If the whole Big Tech infrastructure crumbles, those who prepared for a post-industrial, localized economy will be the new rulers. They won't have the power and reach of US Presidents or even US Big City mayors, but having too much power is evil, anyways.


I've been trying to convince people that technology makes big government more possible because they don't have to expend nearly as much effort or capital to get 10-20x more knowledge about their people as they used to.

For the King to know that Jack is hunting in his woods, he needed to hire enough Sheriffs to catch him and the more you hire, the less control over them you have. Sticking a tracking device in Jack's pocket that he willingly puts there and then watching him on a computer monitor is a far easier way to catch him hunting foxes.

Blogger wahr01 January 23, 2021 3:40 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Cloud co.outing serves two purposes.

1) clouds scale extremely qucikly

2) IT infrastructure cost is moved from capital to service expense.

Don't underestimate that 2nd one.


Everyone I talk to who has been serious about functioning infrastructure and is dealing with cloud is now spending their time trying to think of ways to get around cloud.

Cloud's actual IT case is marginal in a well-planned infrastructure environment, but it sure makes it easier for moron bean counters to spreadsheet their expenses, so let's use it for everything!

Who cares if you're at the mercy of a cartel who at best will lock you in and jack up the price: You, the midwit suit, don't have to track annoying things like loans for initial expenses or line entries for hardware depreciation anymore!

Cloud is the perfect service for the CEO who is trying to sell his business rather than a reliable product.

Blogger Atikkabear January 23, 2021 3:46 PM  

I want to join UATV but I don't have a CC.

Blogger Paul Thompson January 23, 2021 3:54 PM  

Are older style message boards,m hosted on small, independent servers, still a viable alternative to SM or are they off the table also?

Blogger VD January 23, 2021 3:55 PM  

I am new to VP, and looked at the subscribing options. Not sure what the other channels are? If I do a base sub, is there info posted there as to what channels do what?

All subscriptions provide access to all content right now. The difference is about support.

Blogger Beery Swine January 23, 2021 4:20 PM  

"The cult of free is over."

This will be a hard and bitter pill for many to swallow. As someone who hasn't even watched TV (let alone cable) in the past 12 years, however, a whole five bucks a month is practically nothing compared to what I get from UATV.

Blogger SmokeyJoe January 23, 2021 4:32 PM  

"People joke that we'll have to move to smoke signals and carrier pigeons at the rate things are going. But ultimately, maybe de-Techifying is the way to go."

At this rate, probably going to also have to start a weekly (-/+ print) newsletter or somesuch!

Blogger Shimshon January 23, 2021 4:33 PM  

@32 "Not a joke. I’m working out anti-fragile comms plan for my network. Not even Dixie cups are ruled out. Not perfect but flexible enough to compensate for jamming."

Consider the old Ricochet modems. I have a bunch of the USB versions capable of 256Kbps. They can be used point-to-point and in a mesh network, operate in the 900MHz frequency band, with 1W RF output. My understanding the encryption was pretty good. There is documentation on how to use (I have some local copies of some), along with old Linux (and I think FreeBSD) drivers for using them in a mesh network.

Blogger SmokeyJoe January 23, 2021 4:38 PM  

"There's probably money to be made in operating a Conservative Server Service. The big problem being where to host it. Finland? Switzerland? Eastern Europe?"

Right next door to me. As soon as I finish getting the funds. Hiring enough Aspies and security. Working on it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 23, 2021 4:38 PM  

I didn't know David the agro-assassin was sick, sounded like he had the Coof like Wranglestar. Glad they survived the super cold, really like their channels on UATV.

I'm now motivated to raise turnips.

Blogger Haus frau January 23, 2021 4:50 PM  

MeWe has a lot of homesteader type people who migrated over from FB after the animal rights inspired rules really became enforced. FB is increasingly hostile to people who hunt or raise animals for meat, among other things. I tried MeWe for a little while but it is incredibly user unfriendly. You have to know the exact name of the group or have a link to a specific group in order to find it otherwise searches bring up nothing. A platform with a viable sales forum without the AR/NPC bullcrap would liberating.

Blogger The Probe January 23, 2021 4:57 PM  

Something is definitely wrong with the Parler story.

They were not doing anything highly specialized. My guess is that they were hooking deeply into AWS services and also the AWS backup service. They did not keep a local copy of their database or keep their own backups, and thus cannot easily move anywhere else without a full service redesign, and may indeed need to rebuild from scratch if they lost their user account and authentication database.

IMO this is not uncommon with cloud first strategies, there isn't even the thought that AWS would put the company in the position that they would need to change services, or in the event of a disaster, make a major change.

I've seen multiple C-level executives forge ahead with cloud things and not ever consider exit strategies or what would happen if the service goes down permanently one day. In their minds those things can't happen, or the chances are so remote or so far in the future it doesn't matter.

Blogger Billy January 23, 2021 4:58 PM  

Ill read a right wing publication article concerning alternates to facebook twitter, etc. They'll mention all the usual parlor and so on and so forth, they even mention Gab. They never touch on SG or Unauthorized. The gate keepers don't want you off the reservation. They aint shit.

Blogger The Yarn Addict January 23, 2021 5:04 PM  

If you were a paid subscriber on DLive to Owen's channel, send an email to DLiveBearRecords@protonmail.com. Rubble - bounce!

Blogger FacelessBro January 23, 2021 5:05 PM  

People, including businesses, have been taking the path of least resistance for a while now. They're going to learn quickly that the easy way was probably made easy by people who want to entrap and control them. The ease of cloud computing and the "As a Service" model is one such trap. It blows my mind we didn't see it earlier.

Vox an Co. are so far ahead of the curve on this one.

Blogger RandyB January 23, 2021 5:18 PM  

"Cloud is the perfect service for the CEO who is trying to sell his business rather than a reliable product."

Which is every CEO of every publicly traded company in the U.S., at every quarterly earnings call.

Payroll is the necessary evil. Minimizing payroll is paramount. Cloud vendors claim that you can reduce payroll by buying their service, because you won't need IT infrastructure guys. So, the financial analysts want to hear "public cloud" in those quarterly calls.

Blogger Avalanche January 23, 2021 5:38 PM  

@26 "("efficient, untrammeled access to everything you might need, without the expense of owning your own servers and paying an IT department, etc, etc...")"

Yeah. The thing I NEVER got and still don't -- and it applies to Bitcoin and its sibs too -- what about when the POWER goes out!? Even without the internet going down (RED2: was it?), just a plain old hurricane or a less than planet-disabling CME... or just some drunk hits the power pole down the street. You need never "offend the SJWs" and get kicked off.

Mother Nature, or human unNature can end your biz in a heartbeat! Esp. if not just your data is in the cloud, but the programs you need to use your data! Any usable paper backups? Got crayons?

And if you accting SW company decides that from now on they ONLY rent SW -- and at exorbitant pricing -- and all of your company history and records are in their possession only... hmmmm. Bit of a problem, yes? And VoIP? And automated ordering, if you have products?

Blogger MATT January 23, 2021 5:40 PM  

They can destroy a movement with a few keystrokes.

That being said, barring some kind of Hollywoodesque EMP event, there's no going back.

Blogger urthshu January 23, 2021 5:50 PM  

>>>People joke that we'll have to move to smoke signals and carrier pigeons at the rate things are going

Torrents and blockchain

Blogger Ransom Smith January 23, 2021 5:50 PM  

Are older style message boards,m hosted on small, independent servers, still a viable alternative to SM or are they off the table also?
Definitely viable. But best to paywall that. Or if free, moderate it aggressively.
4chan became a cesspit after people realized it served as alternative news and politics for people who didn't want to discuss in public or with their real name attached.

Blogger Kirk Parker January 23, 2021 6:08 PM  

There's a 3) for the very little guy for whom the corporate management rules of 2) are but a distant fantasy: you can spin up a server for a low-traffic proof of concept for literally no overhead.

Blogger Avalanche January 23, 2021 6:09 PM  

@37 "They range from Razorfist's diatribes regarding the Anathema cult---- to gardening, philosofi, history, literature to BB's rather bombastic multihour streams and much more so if you're interested in the good, the beautiful and the true I can state with confidence that you´ll find more hours to watch than you can spare the time for."

You left out the Professors lectures on Tolkien's LotR besides her history lectures!


But, you've left out the best one if you can afford it. For $10 a month (the lowest 'undirected' payment; there are also $25/mo and a yearly version; each with associated bennies). With those Vox and his team decide where best to use your money to keep expanding and upgrading UA.TV and, I think, Social Galactic too. Of course, the higher 'tiers' at UA.TV also get you more bennies at SG too; I think it's higher word count per post and better or more icons?

And, as Vox points out regularly, this is NOT a paywall concept where a higher tier gets you more videos; every level gets you every video. And BOY! Is it ever worth it! On every level!

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 23, 2021 6:13 PM  

I'm surprised they didn't do it initially. I'd guess Owen's mocking of the god-Emperor was keeping his ban temporary, initially. Someone at the ADL probably called and threatened them harder.

It was fun while it lasted. Tonight is probably Roosh's last show if they don't delete his channel while he's on.

Maybe it's time for a Dlive Darkstream?

Blogger Avalanche January 23, 2021 6:20 PM  

@40 "I want to join UATV but I don't have a CC."

Look into the prepaid/refillable 'credit' cards; also called gifts cards. Just like there is one specifically to spend at Amazon or Home Depot or CVS Drugs or wherever -- you can buy a generic Master Card or VISA version. You can buy them at drugstores or Office Depot and elsewhere. They function like a credit card -- so can probably be used at UA.TV (the MC or VISA ones, not the Home Depot ones! {wink}).

They are "refillable" -- so as long as you keep putting money "on" them, you can let UA.TV charge the payment to them. You put money on them by going to, say, Office Depot or Walgreens (stay out of their back aisles, eh?! {cue BB}) by giving them cash and they will 'move it' onto your card.

Check with your bank too -- they may have bank-related MC or VISA version, and you can fill it directly from your bank acct. (Usually no fees with the generics; your bank may be greedy: always check!)

Only downside is: you have to make sure you've got money "on" the card so UA.TV doesn't reach for it and get put off. Still, if you subscribe at the $5 level: put $60 on it and you've got the year covered. Or, if you can swing it -- do a single annual payment using the gift card, and you're set for a year! (Do it on your birthday and call it a b-day prezzie!)

Blogger Dan in Georgia January 23, 2021 6:21 PM  

I'm sure DNS will go away at some point. Then we're down to the dark-web, but that won't last long either. If Biden stays as meat-puppet in chief, total denial of internet access will be coming, just as everything in commerce will be relying on it. Yikes.

Blogger Nqt January 23, 2021 6:22 PM  

What about Wimkin and "usa life?https://usa.life/

Blogger Attila is my bro January 23, 2021 6:25 PM  

Yes. I belong to a few for hobbies. They do still exist even though most moved on to fagbook years ago. I bet they make a comeback in the current climate. I'm pushing old school mailing lists to make a comeback.

Blogger Swamp Fox January 23, 2021 6:25 PM  

Same here. Never thought I’d enjoy reading a blog, but here I am.

Blogger Raker_T January 23, 2021 6:28 PM  

The bible warns of the dangers of one who flatters; but is it the same to praise a blog? I want to yell in caps how much I like this place, but I'll just stifle it a while longer.
As for Me-We, gee this is interesting. I have an account there. There is probably a wide variety of group topics, but because I'm interested in things like Hawe's Firearm Company SA revolvers, or a good Schofield replica, I've joined 2 or 3 gun groups. Man, are the ever active with buy and sell postings about guns and ammo. Not the kind of stuff I look for either. Like 2/3rds of my feed. As I said, interesting.
Had an good conversation with my brother in law a few hours ago. The subject went to cell phones, and he's convinced that governments want people to have them, even if they have to give them away. Case in point, we both know an education missionary in Honduras. All the villagers have a cell phone. Literal dirt floors, no electricity. They can pay someone 25c to charge their phones, but they don't even have that much money. So the outlets at the missionary's house are always crammed with the neighbor's phones being charged. He didn't actually -say- the phones were given away, but I'll clarify that when I put the conversation into q & a video format.

Blogger Blastmaster January 23, 2021 6:40 PM  

Hmmm. Zuckerberg AND Weinstein! If I believed in conspiracy's it may seem like a certain group is trying to control discourse. Good thing I am to enlightened to buy into that.

Blogger Blastmaster January 23, 2021 6:42 PM  

Hmmm. Zuckerberg AND Weinstein! If I believed in conspiracy's it may seem like a certain group is trying to control discourse. Good thing I am to enlightened to buy into that.

Blogger Blastmaster January 23, 2021 6:42 PM  

Hmmm. Zuckerberg AND Weinstein! If I believed in conspiracy's it may seem like a certain group is trying to control discourse. Good thing I am to enlightened to buy into that.

Blogger teemac January 23, 2021 6:45 PM  

40, atikkabear. i believe they are working on alternatives.

Blogger Canada78Bear January 23, 2021 7:35 PM  

Yep. I've called BS on the cloud since day one explicitly because you don't own the hardware.
You point out restrictions imposed on employee laptops as the same concept but those are your servers your 'new' boss actually own. Sadly some lessons are learned the hard way. Just a matter of when.

Hopefully Parler never comes back so people can see it is time to get out of the water.

Blogger urthshu January 23, 2021 7:37 PM  

Never heard of usa.life
I guess we've been in the wastelands before, certainly the Birchers were and still are. Doing newsletters and such is just unacceptable. But for the time being it's best to avoid American platforms altogether because of the civil rights violations, harassment etc. Build outside the US imo.

Blogger Silly but True January 23, 2021 7:38 PM  

Honesty, when it’s not clear if you’re more outraged at Owen’s use of word “tranny,” or whom he called, then maybe the problem isn’t Owen.

Blogger sammibandit January 23, 2021 7:41 PM  

I'd rather be on the ride than the reservation. I believe supporting people who believe this as well is important. Support means money. I'm working class and can afford the price of a double highball a month.

The cult of free is over.

Good. Let the dead bury the dead.

Blogger Coroña DeNier January 23, 2021 7:49 PM  

Yeah, why put skin in the game when you can criticize here on the free boards? Vox could give Pelosi a channel, and id still give $10/mo

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 23, 2021 7:53 PM  

Are older style message boards,m hosted on small, independent servers, still a viable alternative to SM or are they off the table also?

They still exist. Pretty much every communications method that ever existed on the Internet is still in use somewhere, including web forums. Whether they're a viable replacement for social media depends on the group you're trying to socialize with and whether you can get them to use it. Most people won't use anything that they can't get by poking at their phone like a chimp. But if you have a small group oriented around a local or niche interest and they're willing to go to a little trouble to talk about it, it can work.

Blogger Damelon Brinn January 23, 2021 8:01 PM  

If Biden stays as meat-puppet in chief, total denial of internet access will be coming,

Then there will be an explosion of BBS systems or some modern equivalent, and people moving to Fidonet or an equivalent for messaging. There's also ham radio, including packet radio, and new technologies like wireless mesh nets. The normies aren't going to use those things because they aren't as convenient, but that's a feature, not a bug.

It would be very hard to stop Americans from communicating, short of full-on door-to-door police state. Which they may come to, but not yet.

Blogger Paul M January 23, 2021 8:03 PM  

There is nothing new about distributed services for discussion fora. NNTP worked perfectly fine for years. As did fidonet before that.

Blogger Beery Swine January 23, 2021 8:56 PM  

Goddammit. I'm still not waiting with baited breath for the happening, but the whole "Patriots' Day" thing Q said in one of his posts, which I mentioned on another of Vox's blogposts, just might be the day. UGH. I'm just gonna read, play vidya, and do pushups.
Patriots' Day is in April, specifically the 19th for this year. The $1400 stimulus was immediately rescheduled for April. Fugg. Too many coincidences.
This really looks like we're just watching a movie of "President Biden" at this point. Shit's going on behind the scenes, hopefully good shit, and all we can do is speculate based on a couple shadows on the wall we catch out of the corner of our eyes here and there.

Blogger machinephilosophy.com January 23, 2021 10:52 PM  

I want big tech to make more and more people angrier and angrier, especially those who have nothing to lose. Think about it.

Blogger CostelloM January 24, 2021 12:04 AM  

Oh please please please tell me that this could be another... *arbitration*. That word should should send chills down the exoskeletons of any of the creatures in silicon valley...

Blogger Isolden January 24, 2021 1:57 AM  

Poland

Blogger Isolden January 24, 2021 2:15 AM  

One needs a license from the government to operate a ham radio- my husband said if stuff goes down they will come for ham radio operators first, which is why he did not bother to get one. I think that happened in CA already?

Blogger Boaty Bear January 24, 2021 4:20 AM  

On a mobile, if I publish a comment here on VD and then press back on my browser, it shows the comment in the dialog box that I'd just posted, I don't hit "Publish" again, which I suspect is what some are doing to five us their

Blogger Gregory the Tall January 24, 2021 6:11 AM  

What else can you ecpect from a Chinese company at the moment?

Blogger James Borgo January 24, 2021 10:08 AM  

Silly bit true, why is it not clear? The word "tranny" isn't offensive at all. It's just short for transvestite. Trump isn't a transvestite. If a guy doesn't know that, then you don't give him $5 a month. Does that clear things up for you?

Blogger RadixMalorum January 24, 2021 2:31 PM  

Gregory the Tall wrote:What else can you ecpect from a Chinese company at the moment?

Just because the 2 founders are Chinese you can't consider it a Chinese company.

The company is based in the US and most likely have majority US employees. (high chance of SJW convergence)

It's like a country having a Chinese founder but your nation is full of blacks. Would you say it's a Chinese country? No.

A corporation is its employees just like a nation is its people. There's no magic dirt when it comes to corporations.

Any corporation in the US is rife for convergence regardless of the identity of the founder.

Blogger kerdasi amaq January 24, 2021 7:45 PM  

I'd say Parler should consider moving to a host in Iceland.

Driving away custom for political reasons isn't a good way to run a business; as I would hope that big tech will find out the hard way.

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