Wednesday, February 17, 2021

Baen under SJW assault

And based on their initial response, it's not going to go well for them:

Baen Books is a sci-fi/fantasy publishing house that has been around since the early 1980s. They’ve published thousands of titles from hundreds of authors. Baen is notable in our current time period because it is one of the only traditional publishers who does not bend the knee to the woke mob. Our publisher, Toni Weisskopf, truly believes in free speech. Baen’s Bar is one of the oldest forums on the internet. It’s a place for authors and fans to hang out and talk. Today Toni is shutting down the Bar in order to stave off a Parler style cancel culture attack against Baen’s service providers.

Yesterday some nobody, wannabe writer, social justice twit released a hit piece “expose” about how posters on Baen’s Bar were fomenting insurrection or some such nonsense. It was the usual bullshit hit piece (the sad part is, by saying the usual, half the country immediately knows exactly what I’m talking about). It was lots of pearl clutching over regular people not toeing their arbitrary political lines, misquotes, errors, quotes taken out of context, and some flat out lies.

However, this was clearly part of a coordinated attack in order to materially harm our business, because immediately after the hit piece was released complaints were filed with the various internet companies Baen uses for services to pressure them into kicking us off the internet. This hit piece was presented as “evidence”. Without going into details the companies then contacted Baen about these “serious allegations” so last night Baen temporarily took down the Bar forum to protect the rest of the company from being deplatformed.

Castalia is under attack as well, but to say that we're a) not concerned about it and b) prepared for any resulting conflict is probably unnecessary. The minefields were put in place long ago and we've got much bigger targets in our sights.

It is mildly amusing to see the moderates, a few of whom didn't hesitate to join the SJWs in pointing-and-shrieking at us, now coming under the same sort of attacks that we've been weathering for years. I hasten to point out that Larry Correia is most certainly not one of them, as he has always been a stand-up champion of everyone on the Right and he has disdained every invitation to denounce and disavow both the Rabid Puppies and me. He may not embrace the conflict as we do, but he fights. I have nothing but respect and regard for the man, because the Mountain is not my personal army. The VFM are.

But the targeting of Baen is further proof, as if any were needed, that moderation is no refuge from SJW attack. To the contrary, they've now become the favored targets due our increasing antifragility and our proven ability to hit them back harder than they ever imagined.

UPDATE: With regards to the inevitable comments about how "Baen should SUE them", Larry is exactly right. Only an ignoramus who knows nothing about the legal system operates would think that filing a lawsuit is a viable option for Baen at the moment. However, those who are defending Baen's decision to immediately take down the Baen Bar in response are foolish if they think that it was a "tactical decision". It wasn't, it was a plain and simple demonstration of vulnerability that amounts to an apology that almost assures that at least one amenable authority will take a shot at them now that Baen has shown weakness.

The correct strategy is to go private. Require some sort of inexpenive subscription to join the Bar that includes a few ebooks, then deny access to everyone else. It's much, much harder for SJWs to make a coherent complaint about a private forum, particularly one to which they do not belong.

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Blogger Zander Stander February 17, 2021 11:02 AM  

Weisskopf? Of he Mayflower Weisskopfen? Say it aint so!

Blogger Canadian Warlord February 17, 2021 11:07 AM  

All the Baen books I have are from used book stores. Perhaps it's time to put my money where my mouth is and support them with my wallet - the vote that actually counts.

"Dydeetown Girl" - love that short story. The un buildings become a large whorehouse for barely functioning cloned starlets.

Anonymous Anonymous February 17, 2021 11:14 AM  

The Commies always come for the moderates first because they're the easiest and softest target to hit.

Blogger Nate February 17, 2021 11:16 AM  

Some day larry may write a book I dont immediately buy. But i doubt it.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 17, 2021 11:17 AM  

A lot of people still think they can be neutral. The SJWs simply won't allow that. Eventually you are either going to have to agree to have your children "transitioned" and to give oral sex to men that claim they are women or you are going to be on the other side. There is no "reasonable alternative" or middle ground. But, more on topic - shutting down your online presence because somebody threatened to sic Daddy on you is a stupid move.

Blogger Jack Ward February 17, 2021 11:19 AM  

As Vox, as I saw it, hinted in the posting, perhaps Larry should consider getting on board with Castalia House. And tend to agree with Nate @1. How sweet would that be!

Blogger English Tom February 17, 2021 11:20 AM  

These hideous monstrosities contaminate everything they touch.

Blogger Zorlig February 17, 2021 11:24 AM  

Is this why there are no books from Castalia House patreon in four months?

Blogger Nostromo February 17, 2021 11:28 AM  

So your saying showing someone your belly, exposing yourself as a target, or bending a knee doesn't satisfy these people?!?! Damn!! You need to write a book about this.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky February 17, 2021 11:33 AM  

What's the likelihood that Baen dropped the forum to avoid total deplatforming while they build/find an alternative hosting service?

Blogger wahr01 February 17, 2021 11:33 AM  

How many of these attacks are necessary before people avoid providers who cave to these weenies?

If I were setting up a business I'd be finding the guys hosting "literal nazis" of the alt-retard type because they can be counted on to tell snowflakes to get bent.

Blogger Silent Draco February 17, 2021 11:37 AM  

The trouble is empty, except for the SDL at the reins. Over the side, Baen, your turn to feed the wolves. You're last.

Blogger Silent Draco February 17, 2021 11:38 AM  


The wolves never stop coming.

Anonymous Anonymous February 17, 2021 11:43 AM  

It's not enough to make a statement that "I/We/Our company believes in Free Speech." I, we, all of us believe in free speech too. It doesn't make it so, as we have seen.

It should be hammered into our foes heads' that Free Speech is the Rule of Law. It is also force majeure, and a precursor to Lawfare.

It is codified.
It is policy.
It will be enforced.

That type of language is the only thing that these mid-wits understand. Outside of actual force, of course.

Blogger Unknown February 17, 2021 11:46 AM  

Toni sure cucked fast.

Blogger VFM Bear February 17, 2021 11:52 AM  

Over/under on when they drop Larry to appease the mob, despite his paen to them?

Blogger Nathan February 17, 2021 12:04 PM  

The IFF from Baen and Baen writers continues to be broken. The same people that are polite to them to their faces continue to stab them in the back elsewhere.

Blogger M In The 517 February 17, 2021 12:11 PM  

So, in the spirit of such renowned woke sleuths as Ben "Encyclopedia Brown" Collins and Brandy "Nancy Drew" Zadrozny, what shall Jason Sanford be known?

Jason "Boy Sherlock Holmes" Sanford?

Blogger Jab Burrwalky February 17, 2021 12:19 PM  

All "free speech" policies are merely a vector for supplanting an existing censorial power structure with a new one. Always has been always will be. Anyone who doesn't use it as such will eventually be crushed by those who do.

No platform for SJWs. No platform for pornographers. No platform for blasphemers.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 17, 2021 12:24 PM  

Lando wrote:It's not enough to make a statement that "I/We/Our company believes in Free Speech."
Free Speech is a Trojan horse.

Blogger Dilbert19 February 17, 2021 12:37 PM  

Off-topic... Rush Limbaugh's wife announced his passing at the beginning of todays show.

He will be missed.

Blogger tweell February 17, 2021 12:44 PM  

Toni is a moderate, who even after being abused at multiple Cons won't take sides. Baen Books is dependent on Tor for printing and distribution, so is vulnerable on that side as well. I would be surprised if Baen lasts another 5 years.

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen February 17, 2021 12:52 PM  

With respect to the first line of the update (With regards to the inevitable comments about how "Bane should SUE them"), my initial response was that I wish that Bane (the late great commenter at this blog) could be brought back into the fray. Unfortunately, my dream was quickly dashed when I realized that it was a simple spelling mistake on the part of the SDL. However, even with a simple mistake, the SDL can encourage the troops with a reminder of past exploits of heroes of old.

Blogger Cappuccinobear February 17, 2021 12:53 PM  

Rip rush Limbaugh. Gatekeeper or no, he was one of my first stops toward the truth.

Blogger VD February 17, 2021 1:02 PM  

Is this why there are no books from Castalia House patreon in four months?

No. They'll get caught up soon.

Blogger VD February 17, 2021 1:06 PM  

This is not the right place to discuss why Veronica is mad at Heather #2.

Blogger wgmeisheid February 17, 2021 1:12 PM  

Silent Draco wrote:The trouble is empty, except for the SDL at the reins. Over the side, Baen, your turn to feed the wolves. You're last.
They are not wolves, who are noble creatures. These "people" are jackles plain and simple.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 17, 2021 1:34 PM  

VD wrote:They'll get caught up soon.
Cool! Looking forward to it.

Blogger Timmy3 February 17, 2021 2:28 PM  

I’m not defending them, but everyone is caught in cancel culture so if I quit of social platforms, it’s prudent for businesses to get out of social platforms if they aren’t prepared to deal with it and their businesses isn’t a social platform. It’s just sad that free speech means something else these days. It’s funny that in attacking ISPs and banks and every other infrastructure that supports a perceived conservative or right POV, they’re damaging everyone’s ability to make a living and be profitable. It’s all fake money. It’s time for all businesses to think about their ISP’s and opposition research.

Blogger Unknownsailor February 17, 2021 2:44 PM  

Larry's explanation as to why Toni took down the bar makes sense (avoid total deplatforming while alternate hosting is found), but the communication concerning that could have been much better.

I have three full size book cases mostly filled with Baen books. David Weber had one book shelf almost all to himself. I need to get over to Baen and pick up a few more, maybe get some paper copies to back titles I only have on Kindle.....

Blogger God Emperor Memes February 17, 2021 3:01 PM  

I was just thinking about the Draka series, yesterday.

Blogger MATT February 17, 2021 3:35 PM  

Imagine Bane under SJW assault

Oh, the blood, the viscera

Blogger Matthew Hopkins (MHN) / Sam Smith February 17, 2021 3:42 PM  

The author of the hit piece on Baen is an obscure author named Jason Sanford ( He has had a few science fiction / fantasy stories published but does not seem to have given up his day job. By day, he works for the Ohio News Media Association (ONMA) as a "Content Manager" (basically he writes their newsletter and does marketing graphics) but he supplements his income via his Patreon page.

I am preparing an article for publication and have just drawn the President of ONMA's attention to the matter in my phone call to her. I am concerned, having analysed the evidence, that Mr Sanford's article attacking Baen is misleading and I am concerned about the characteristics of some posters he has singled out in his article. OMNA President Monica Nieporte sounded delighted to receive my call. I am awaiting comment.

Mr Sanford is an active convention goer. If any of you can provide more information on Mr Sanford, for example if you have had an adverse experience at a convention with him, email me in confidence via the address on my website's 'About' page (

There is a picture of Mr Sanford on his LinkedIn page for anyone who is interested in background - Mr Sanford is apparently unaware that "Cancel Culture" is bad, and a two-edged sword.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 17, 2021 3:48 PM  

One thing I really like about Baen is their Free Library.
Great for exploring a new author, and for exhibiting the general wares, IMO.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 17, 2021 3:49 PM  

Unknownsailor wrote:I have three full size book cases mostly filled with Baen books. David Weber had one book shelf almost all to himself. I need to get over to Baen and pick up a few more, maybe get some paper copies to back titles I only have on Kindle.....
I really liked the Fifth Imperium (Dahak trilogy), so allow me to recommend that one if you don't have it.

Blogger Tars Tarkas February 17, 2021 4:08 PM  

Cucks are worse than SJWs.
Toni is going to be a guest of honor or something at a con that gave her authors woooden asshole awards or something. JDA covered it yesterday.
Who the heck wants to be a guest of honor at a freakshow anyway?

Blogger Teleport me off this rock February 17, 2021 4:21 PM  

Today Toni is shutting down the Bar in order to stave off a Parler style cancel culture attack against Baen’s service providers.

"If we kill ourselves now, we can cheat fate!"
"Capital plan, Toni, let's do it!"

One look at her picture tells me this is already a complete loss.

Blogger George Phillies February 17, 2021 5:09 PM  

Several critics have cruelly referred to the deplatforming folks as the "Woko Haram".

Blogger Crew February 17, 2021 6:34 PM  

I wonder to what extent Baen is just another controlled outlet designed to push GloboHomo shit.

Here is why. I have been reading the "Fire from the sky" series by NC Reed.

I have come to the conclusion that it must have been funded by GloboHomo because it pushes the following lines:

1. Homosexuality is OK as long as they are not molesting babies, and
2. Preppers are going to turn into evil Nazis who want to take whatever they can from the unfortunate
3. US forces overseas are OK because they are avenging all those children who have been hurt by the Taliban or Warlords or Weird Christian cults.
4. Weird Christian Cults are really our enemies.
5. Lots of women are really into Technology and are just as geeky as teenage guys.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 17, 2021 6:46 PM  

Too bad it's not Bane Books.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 17, 2021 7:00 PM  

I liked Mutineers Moon etc a lot too. Also works if you don't read the other two books.
Never got into the Honor Harrington stuff myself, w the tree at etc, female pandering.

Blogger Canada78Bear February 17, 2021 8:41 PM  

SJWs always need a target to vent at or they will implode devowering each other. They started off at the Right but now are moving to the middle.

Seems that this is great news because this makes Disney one step closer to being a target.
Lot of centrists need to be targeted before the message finally sinks in.

Blogger Avalanche February 17, 2021 8:49 PM  

@32 "Imagine Bane under SJW assault
Oh, the blood, the viscera"

The skulls! Make the Dark Lord happy!

Blogger Dole February 17, 2021 9:05 PM  

The inability to assert your values is only taken as a surrender by the cult of Lucifer.

Tired of conservatives who only point out the evil while expecting the virtue points. The behavior only serves as an acceptance and normalization of their ways, and makes them look powerful.

Blogger tublecane February 18, 2021 4:40 AM  

@wahr01- You can’t count on any companies, including ones who host Literal Nazees. Because they’re all composed of the same type of people, culled from the same general society. If they haven’t been convinced to start a-cancellin’ yet, it’s probably only a matter of time or happenstance.

Not themselves SJWs, but softheaded enough to follow them. At least when they’ve been convinced the degenerates are the lead horse.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 18, 2021 10:04 AM  

Newscaper312 wrote:@OneWingedShark
I liked Mutineers Moon etc a lot too. Also works if you don't read the other two books.
Never got into the Honor Harrington stuff myself, w the tree at etc, female pandering.

Same WRT Honor Harrington.
You might like John Ringo/David Drake's series, the one with "March Upcountry."

Blogger J Melcher February 18, 2021 11:16 AM  

In my opinion Weber wrote better "Baen" books under Jim Baen himself than under Toni. Not saying that's causal or just fatigue, but I note that before introducing this.

There is an Honor Harrington fan fic even more "Weber"-ish than Weber himself has lately produced available free.

Author's introduction:

I know the extended story-arc is one of the great glories of the Honorverse, but haven't you ever, ploughing through the latest best-selling doorstop, wanted radically to short-circuit the whole thing, and see those morally defective, small-souled Manticoran aristocrats taken down hard? And all Detweilers and Kolokoltsovs whatsoever fed to a vengeful passel of treecats, with BBQ sauce? I know I have ... slash works slash 4777523

Honor Among Thieves

Kind of based on the notion that bastards who wind up in charge of governments and plot foreign wars to cover up their own crimes ought to be outed and punished quickly and comprehensively rather than slowly and piecemeal. If that's a political stance, well, I would suppose it's popular around here.

Blogger Matthew Hopkins (MHN) / Sam Smith February 18, 2021 1:07 PM  

I have published an article about the guy who went after Baen's Bar, Jason Sanford. He is a junior employee at the Ohio News Media Association (ONMA). My article details his unethical conduct and includes a complete list of email addresses for all ONMA trustees, as well as his boss, the President of ONMA who I spoke to on the phone.

Blogger tuberman February 18, 2021 3:25 PM  

I do care about several of Baen's authors. Larry is one of my favorite entertainment authors, and I like Tom Kratman too, along with a couple of other writers. Would like them to come out okay.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 18, 2021 3:46 PM  

I have published an article about the guy who went after Baen's Bar, Jason Sanford.

Good work, friend. These people aren't used to being called out personally for their attacks.

Blogger OvergrownHobbit February 19, 2021 4:54 AM  

The Eric Flint article (links at Monster Hunter Nation website) is useful if you want to follow on Mr. Hopkins's work but do not speak Comintern yourself.

Blogger Matthew Hopkins (MHN) / Sam Smith February 20, 2021 8:50 PM  

I have you know, @OvergrownHobbit I have a literally certificate that proves I am a Conservative! I have done my second article about Jason Sanford and sinister attempts to cancel me for calling him out. The third article will hit him with the sexual, racial and ablist issues -

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