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Friday, February 12, 2021

It was never rhetoric

Remember when I warned you that the battle for Western civilization was also, among other things, the choice between indoor plumbing and living in filth? That wasn't rhetoric:

For decades, residents of Centreville, a nearly all-Black town of 5,000 in southern Illinois, just a 12-minute drive from downtown East St Louis, have been dealing with persistent flooding and sewage overflows. The smell of it is in the air all over town after a rain, and bits of soggy toilet paper and slicks of human waste cling to the grass in neighborhoods where children used to play on warm days, locals said. Kids don’t play outside any more. Gardens don’t grow.

Like Smith, other locals say their water tastes odd and refuse to drink from their taps, relying on donated shipments of bottled water. They worry about the long-term health effects of living under such conditions, and they say that for years elected officials and local utility companies inadequately addressed their cries for help.

Residents and environmental justice advocates also believe that these issues persist because the town is one of the poorest in America, with a median household income of less than $15,000 a year and almost half of residents living below the poverty line. They contend that authorities at the local and state level might have addressed wastewater problems long ago if the area was wealthier and more influential.

Though Centreville was once a larger town, it has lost more than half its population and nearly all its white inhabitants since 1970. Surrounding towns saw a similar shift, as local manufacturing jobs disappeared. The people of color who remain in Centreville are stuck with ageing infrastructure meant for a denser population – and the local government now has a much smaller tax base to draw from for upgrades.

The conditions that Centreville’s residents live with are “shocking”, said Catherine Flowers, an environmental justice campaigner who co-authored a 2019 study on raw sewage issues in low-income communities across the US. Flowers hails from central Alabama, where many households lack proper plumbing and rivers of wastewater flow through back yards. “The Centreville problem ranks as one of the worst I have seen,” she said. In Centreville, she noted, the “sewage is in plain sight”.

Non-Western civilizations simply don't object to filth in the same way white Christian populations do. It's a combination of factors, and the reasons differ from one to the next, but the fact is that once you remove the three pillars of the West from a society, one inevitable consequence is dwelling in filth, not just moral, but literal.

One resident says: "'If white people were still here, this wouldn’t happen." That's true. Because the white people wouldn't put up with it, the white people would fix it. There are 5,000 people living there and absolutely none of them are willing and able to do anything about it.

That's the inevitable fate of the post-Christian, post-white former West.

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Blogger Crew February 12, 2021 10:23 AM  

You WT debils must save us from ourselves or you are waaaaacisssss and sheeeit!

Blogger Warunicorn February 12, 2021 10:25 AM  

Sweet Jesus, I'm surprised nobody's come down with dysentery or hepatitis. *shudder*

Blogger bramley bramley bramley February 12, 2021 10:27 AM  

That's Centreville in Congo, right? Oh, hang on...

Blogger FALPhil February 12, 2021 10:28 AM  

Another example to watch is Albany, Georgia.

Blogger Jose Miguel February 12, 2021 10:32 AM  

This reminds mebof a theory I had about the Dominican Republic vs Puerto Rico. The DR has a stable maintained infrastructure, while PR's infrastructure is falling apart.

The difference? The DR built their own infrastructure that they had the capacity to maintain, while PR's was built by Americans, thus was overbuilt to a degree PR can't maintain. Thus DR survives disasters lik hurricanes better, and have a stable functioning electrical grid and water treatment system.

DR has significantly more African heritage than PR, so it isn't because of an IQ disadvantage. The moral I draw is don't build stuff for other people, you can teach them if you want, but let them build out what they can maintain themselves. Everything turns out better for them. This town is lived in by people who had no hope of building what is already there, much less maintaining it, similar to PR.

Blogger DeepThought February 12, 2021 10:33 AM  

Yet they keep voting for Democrats, who do nothing for them.

You can't be this stupid and survive for long.

Blogger Jake Burton February 12, 2021 10:34 AM  

It's on par with black people protesting in detroit that their water was getting shut off when they went long enough without paying the bill. Why should they have to pay for water? White people should pay!

Two years ago a black lesbian coworker of mine was venting that she owed around $300 on a Bank of America credit card. She was indignant "this multi billion dollar company sending me letters and trying to come after me."

We were coworkers in a collections law firm. And we handled Bank of America accounts.

Blogger Barbarossa February 12, 2021 10:34 AM  

I'm so very confused. I thought Mr. Charlie took advantage of the poor black man. They should be happy the white man is gone. Let the cry of "Wakanda!" sing out from every mountain top. And I saw this movie where these black women are the ones who got the Apollo missions to the moon and didn't done get none of da credit fer it! I guess the problem in Centreville is that the scholars there were spending so much time pondering things like Plato's theory of forms and trying to reconcile relativity with quantum mechanics that they simply forgot to repair their wastewater system. Completely understandable. No doubt, once they've gotten over this latest outbreak of cholera, they'll turn their mighty intellects to solving the issue.

"Wakanda!"

Blogger #7139 February 12, 2021 10:34 AM  

Centreville, IL, along with much of East St. Louis, IL, is reverting back to the bottomland swamp forest it used to be. Which also means the current inhabitants will eventually leave, migrate elsewhere and begin the cycle again.

Blogger Angantyr February 12, 2021 10:38 AM  

"Ah, the smell of feces in the morning, the smell of beating Whitey!"

I trust that thought gives them all the joy in life they need.

The Earth is far too nice a place to be left to such civilization destroying imbeciles and their race-traitor enablers.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 12, 2021 10:39 AM  

Their countries are literal shitholes because that's what they make them. And over and over again, we see that Africa is where Africans are. But surely all of this is somehow whitey's fault. I don't know how, but clearly it's because of us.

Blogger Ultrahardcore February 12, 2021 10:40 AM  

I knew it wasn't rhetoric but still...to actually see an example of this is disgusting and horrifying.

Blogger I’ve Seen Things You People Wouldn’t Believe February 12, 2021 10:40 AM  

It is appalling, but not surprising, that people will sit in a lake of their own filth and expect "the government" to fix it.

Of course, the mayor of Centreville can't be bothered to meet with U.S> Senators on the issue, or he might have to explain where all the money went.

https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article244303872.html

Blogger kurt9 February 12, 2021 10:42 AM  

The residents of these places keep voting for the same politicians who never manage to do anything effective about these problems. Remember how the New Orleans mayor was a total screw up when Katrina hit the city? The school buses that were supposed to evacuate people were left to drown in the flood waters because the evacuation plan was never enacted due to ineptitude? That mayor, Nagal I think his name was, was re-elected by a large majority less than six months after Katrina.

Blogger Astrosmith February 12, 2021 10:44 AM  

Not only are the residents not doing anything to fix it, but people outside the area aren't either. They are sending bottled water in. Gee, thanks. Could they maybe instead send some water/sewage system engineers?

Blogger Jab Burrwalky February 12, 2021 10:46 AM  

White people would at least start digging trenched to divert it away from their houses.

Blogger rumpole5 February 12, 2021 10:46 AM  

A critical mass of white and Asian people is essential to civilized life. I was in Western Michigan a couple of years ago. I stopped at a crowded McDonalds for a hamburger. As I put in my order I noticed that all the workers were white, and the manager looked to be east Asian. Before I could walk the 8 feet or so to the pick up window, they were calling my order! Being a Florida resident, (where half to all fast food workers are black) I stood there dumbfounded.

Blogger Pipeman February 12, 2021 10:48 AM  

When I taught in public middle schools, we had what was jokingly referred to as the “white proximity factor”: i.e. the closer to a white kid that a black sat, the better the black kid did academically. In reference to educational diversity and heterogeneous groupings, even the black kids wanted a white kid in their project groups. So it is with larger society.

Blogger Pedro the Cat February 12, 2021 10:52 AM  

Centreville is in a low lying area, most of those houses are probably still on septic tanks and laterals, which are notoriously ineffective in low lying ground. I'm sure none of these people ever pump their tanks or add laterals, they are barely surviving. The laterals fill with shit if not properly cared for and they are then useless. It borders East St. Louis which is also low lying ground and was built up about 20 feet many years ago. Although ESL has sanitary and storm systems, they are also notoriously failing and if there is a heavy rainstorm you can't even get off some interstate exits as they are flooded. I remember going with my Dad back in the early 1970s to help him clean carpets in ESL/Centreville, it was a good cash business for him. I will never forget how these people lived, really opened my eyes to how unbelievably disgusting some people will tolerate their homes to be. The smell alone inside these houses would make some gag.

Blogger Jess February 12, 2021 10:52 AM  

In the eighties, huge amounts of grant money was spent placing modern sewage systems in rural, poor communities. It was fantastic, and brought the communities in compliance with regulations. Unfortunately, the grant money didn't pay for the maintenance, and upgrades. Time has left dilapidated facilities, no money from the few taxpayers, and the realization it was really just a wasted effort.

Blogger Delaware Blue Hen February 12, 2021 10:52 AM  

They should be happy--the evil white man is gone.

The same thing happened in Rhodesia--many blacks there wish that the white man would come back.

Blogger rumpole5 February 12, 2021 10:53 AM  

It has become a rural area thru population decline?Shovel, small building with a half moon door, porcelain pot with tight top for night use. Problem solved. But of course, anyone younger than Boomer age wouldn't know that. Note, Even the most esoteric subjects can be Boomerized, you know.

Blogger Mad Italian February 12, 2021 10:54 AM  

Reminds me of the video where the people get "stuck" on a non-moving escalator.

Blogger Canadian Warlord February 12, 2021 10:54 AM  

Don't have to go far anywhere in canada to see the same happening at the poorer Native reserves. New houses get built for them, and because they're professional victims paid for by taxpayers, they burn them down / trash them use for firewood etc. Some of the reserves, as a consequence, don't have running water or sewage and have been declared as emergency by the un.

Post-modernism, is just pre-modernism. Can't wait to see the non-Chinese parts of vancouver lose their first world status. Surrey is halfway there, construction sites with random equipment abandoned, roped off for years because the wrong idiot's nephew got the contract. Anasis Island too.

Blogger Mirk Wood February 12, 2021 10:56 AM  

Hurr durr, you are racist! How dare you assign a color to a civilization, are you not colorblind like all good conservatives?

Blogger Ostar February 12, 2021 10:57 AM  

The sewage smell is one of the signs you have crossed into Mexico.
It’s normal there to throw your used toilet paper into a trash can instead of flushing it because it will otherwise clog the pipes.
I’ve worked in a place where the illegal workers did that in America, stinking up the restrooms, before management finally trained them that America was cleaner than that.

Blogger Vinqua February 12, 2021 10:57 AM  

Japan is clean though non-western.

Christian West was filthy before development of sewage system.

Blogger Unknown February 12, 2021 11:02 AM  

...But how was it possible

These descendants of captains of impassible

Waters, surveyors of oceans by sail

And continents by wheel, who with steel

In hand and heart explored the earth

And made of the wilderness a hearth,

Who apprenticed sons to build cathedrals,

Engineered the wing’s dihedrals

Mastering flight and stood upon the moon

To witness earthrise over its horizon

Had been reduced to little more than cattle?

http://forthesonsofthewest.home.blog

Blogger Jeff February 12, 2021 11:02 AM  

Individual residents, whatever their race, can't just go fix public infrastructure.

This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei February 12, 2021 11:04 AM  

Cargo cult sewers. Nothing works automatically and goes away fast. As Vox points out, they lack desire and are incapable of fixing it.

All cultures and peoples are not the same. All advances are liable to be lost at this rate. Stand or fall.

Blogger Shlomo Lichtenstien February 12, 2021 11:05 AM  

Interesting also is the effect of reducing the population in a system that has the infrastructure for a larger one.
Something that Bill Gates and his fellow Davos grifters and "population reductionists" don't seem to be able to grasp. We already kinda know this. Sure seems to point out that maybe those presented to us as so smart and our betters really are not that smart after all.

Blogger [Redacted] February 12, 2021 11:05 AM  

Time to invest in Outhouses. It is better to live in a field alone, than a town of criminals and thieves.

Blogger Unknown February 12, 2021 11:06 AM  

...for shame

Had so unmanned them, and degradations

By degrees for generations

The Enemy bred them to embrace and cherish.

The virtues of their forebears so would perish,

And with them any memory of their worth

As nations or the race from whom came forth

A civilization peerless and sublime.

http://forthesonsofthewest.home.blog

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 12, 2021 11:06 AM  

Really stupid question, but how would one fix something like that? I mean, my great-grandparents were tenant farmers with outhouses. I used them, when we visited. Nothing looked like that mess. There wasn't overflowing sewage in the yard. There was an outhouse.

They had indoor plumbing because their daughters married a wheelwright and a guy who built machines at a factory. They used their vacation to travel home and repair their in-laws house each year. The daughters came and canned food from the farm for the week. They did this one week with one set of in-laws, and then a different week with the other's in-laws.

The boomer kids griped that it wasn't a fun vacation at the beach. Seventy years old, and no sense how close to the edge of survival their grandparents were, or how practical gratitude looks. One got hinky when I explained to a GenX mom with ten kids that she could ask for this from her kids. They own their acreage. They live in a house the size of a trailer, and they raised ten good, smart, productive, kids in that tiny house. They earned the right to ask for a week's work from their kids. And the kids are competent metal-workers, carpenters, electricians and cooks. They own the acreage. That's a homestead!

Blogger Hedge February 12, 2021 11:08 AM  

Everything these people touch and control turns into a literal shit show.

Blogger Iskander Magnus February 12, 2021 11:08 AM  

You can’t accurately predict the time it will happen, but Logic wins in the end.

Blogger tradwinz February 12, 2021 11:08 AM  

"If white people were still here, this wouldn’t happen." One wonders if this individual will at some point understand the honesty of their statement. Damn right it wouldn't happen with whitey still around, we would if needed taken care of the issue ourselves. You see we are different, we have different standards/values & all of the virtue signaling nonsense will not change this fact.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei February 12, 2021 11:08 AM  

This happens in the university. Old Euros retire, 5 nonEuros take over, the whole system stops working. No one knows why...

Blogger David Wright February 12, 2021 11:08 AM  

I am thinking of Flint Michigan right now.

Blogger CostelloM February 12, 2021 11:11 AM  

Devon Stack was right. The black pill was correct. No Trump won't save you. Now it's time to fight.

Blogger Reziac February 12, 2021 11:12 AM  

When it don't rain, da roof don't leak.
When it rains, I cain't fix it no-how.

-- 1930s shantytown jape

Blogger Daniel February 12, 2021 11:16 AM  

Wakanda forever!

Blogger Cappuccinobear February 12, 2021 11:16 AM  

Diversity of living conditions is the next "Diversity".

Blogger Opus February 12, 2021 11:18 AM  

No question about it.

I live above a shop in a block of four apartments. People come and go. A few years back some Indians (curry) moved into one of the apartments - not by the way, immigrants legal or otherwise but on a visa. They were not objectionable, however the lady of the house was in the habit of putting her
waste-food outside the communal door - which every morning made a tasty meal for the local raven and other birds and made a mess all over the patio. One of my other neighbours had a word with her and she promised to improve her ways. She failed to do so and so my said other neighbour had a strong word with her husband who apologised and promised better behaviour but again without success. My neighbour then hit upon the bright idea of buying four plastic dustbins and marking each one with the number of the respective apartment. He proudly told me of this and I responded by telling him that they would not get it. It would not occur to them I explained to him that anyone would buy them a dustbin and as such they would never use the same. A little while later I saw my generous other neighbour who was fuming and he told me that what I had predicted is exactly what had come to pass - the rubbish was still being put outside the backdoor and not in the bins. My kindly other neighbour was a champagne-leftist who thought that if one spoke slowly and clearly enough johnny foreigner would always understand. This is the white man's burden.

When the curry Indians vacated they had however filled up a dustbin with what became rain-soaked diapers of their baby. I was faced with the unpleasant task of emptying the bin and placing all the effluent from the bin in black plastic sacks for subsequent removal. Ruined a pair of trousers in the process too - but at least the patio was no longer a health risk.

Before the Curry Indians we had some Phillipinos. Another of my neighbours lost it with them when unable to get a double-bed inside the block the Phillipinos left the bed out on the patio to become rain-sodden. What got me most about the Phillipinos however was this: in England there are rules as to accommodation such that a toilet cannot lead directly onto a living space. Each property therefore has a hall. The Philipinos so as to make living cheaper turned the hall into a dining-room and the dining-room into a bedroom. It is a small thing but gradually eats away at civilisation.

Now happily all but one of the apartments are English occupied. The sense of relief I had on the same day those two other apartments became English occupied was wonderful - and ever since that day there have been no problems (and my Bangla neighbour is excellent). I am such a natural-born racist and English supremacist and proud of it as I should be. None of what I see about me, the houses, the fields, the roads and the railway lines and the hedgerows got there by accident but as a result of copious actions by copious people over many centuries. This is the reality of white (in this case English) privilege and of course almost entirely as a result of the actions of men.

Blogger Charlie February 12, 2021 11:20 AM  

Sadly, this is the case in many places across the country.
And yes, the main cause is people not wanting to help themselves. Notice, I did not say "can't help themselves".

Blogger Breadbasket February 12, 2021 11:23 AM  

That area, along with East St Louis, is the biggest cesspool I have ever seen. The crime in East St Louis is so bad, the St Louis gangbangers stay away. Plus, maybe the blackest area anywhere, close to 100 %.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 12, 2021 11:23 AM  

Maybe they should learn to code. That'll learn them to fix their filthy sewage systems.

Blogger Jonny February 12, 2021 11:25 AM  

They do object in Centerville. Read the article. The problem is NOT that they don't object. The problem is the want SOMEONE ELSE to pay for the problem. Because they can't figure out how to solve the problem themselves by PAYING FOR IT THEMSELVES. That's why they miss the white folks. Since the white folks left, tax revenues have probably plummeted. But, they'll go to endless links to do it the leftist way: sue, protest, sue some more, protest some more, call the news, have a press conference, do a march....etc.....sue some more. They just wont go to endless links to figure out how to FIX IT THEMSELVES. For the same reason that NO LEFTISTS can figure out how to do anything except demand OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

Blogger dienw February 12, 2021 11:25 AM  

In my opinion, these blacks are citizens of Centreville and they have a right to the benefits for which they are paying taxes and other fees. If the officials of Centreville will not see to the sewer maintenance then property taxes and other fees paid by these blacks should cease; for it is fraud to levy such against them; further more, if the city does not rectify the sewer situation, then dis-incorporate the city and let the people be returned to the county authorities. Grants should then be provided for each affected household to build septic tanks.

Sewage systems were created to prevent major diseases such as cholera.

Blogger Harambe February 12, 2021 11:26 AM  

We have this problem with sewage 8n some towns in South Africa too. And ues, the difference is that whitey gets up and fixes it himself if the municipality can't or won't.

Self reliance is hard work, but the pay off is so worth it.

Blogger CyrusD78 February 12, 2021 11:26 AM  

Having visited India twice, I can attest to this problem of raw sewage, filth and the most obnoxious odors you will ever encounter in a non-Western country. Kenya was somewhat better. Why people don't take the initiative to clean up their own communities is baffling. Who wants to wallow in s$%t?

Blogger GregMan February 12, 2021 11:27 AM  

Well, poop.

Blogger Bob February 12, 2021 11:34 AM  

"There are 5,000 people living there and absolutely none of them are willing and able to do anything about it."

Truer words were never spoken.

They will sit on their asses waiting for someone to come bail them out until Hell freezes over.

Lincoln desired to return former slaves to Africa or other tropical regions, with their consent and the accord of the authorities of the country where they were to be settled. He repeated his support for colonization numerous times, including during the American Civil War.

Too bad he didn't succeed.

Blogger Lee February 12, 2021 11:39 AM  

Talking about the makeup of the residents is probably much less significant than a description of the local, county, and state political representatives of the residents would be.

I get it though, make it tough to blame racism if that was part of the discussion.

Blogger brbrophy February 12, 2021 11:39 AM  

This is why I recently researched how toilets work

Blogger Daniel February 12, 2021 11:39 AM  

Only the rich can afford not having a country

Blogger The Course of Empire February 12, 2021 11:40 AM  

One exception to the "Non-Western civilizations simply don't object to filth in the same way white Christian populations do," would be the Japanese. Of course, they're now getting reclassified as whites anyway (as are East Asians in general); the other white meat.

Blogger tweell February 12, 2021 11:40 AM  

The sewage infrastructure designed for a denser population should have no problem with a load of <50%, given proper maintenance. Obviously the maintenance didn't get done. The elected officials didn't do their job, keeping the infrastructure fixed is a top priority in well run communities. The article notes that the roads are also poor, so the sewage is just the most obvious problem.

They didn't build it, they didn't repair it, and all they will do is complain that someone (else) 'needs' to help them.

Blogger Canada78Bear February 12, 2021 11:46 AM  

I think the article completely misses the point.
White people wouldn't and DIDN'T put up with it and moved out.

A drainage problem and bad sewers are very visible early on. Large trees in the front yard where the pipes are will cause sewage backup with their roots.
The former residents of the town would have gotten out well before the obvious demographic change. The change just accelerated it.

Pools of standing water regularly in the yard is a no-go. No government is going to fix bad geography, but they are likely a 1 party town

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid February 12, 2021 11:47 AM  

Just as Flint's water won't be improved until the racists come and do it for them. It is ironic, import slaves and end up having to serve them. Pick your own damned cotton.

Blogger Noah B. February 12, 2021 11:51 AM  

In conclusion, let's throw a bunch of federal money at the problem so that the politicians and community organizers all get new Land Rovers and McMansions in other towns while nothing gets fixed.

Blogger MJ February 12, 2021 11:53 AM  

If you want a picture of the future, imagine sewage flowing through the streets- forever.

Blogger DonReynolds February 12, 2021 11:55 AM  

A city of 5,000 people in Texas would be eligible for a Home Rule Charter, but that may not be the case in Illinois.

Of course, there are any number of solutions to this problem and there are serious obstacles to any of them being implemented. The residents obviously do not want to pay their part for a reliable sanitary sewer. They want someone else to pay their bills and there is no one else who wants to. The sewer could be sold to a nearby sewer utility or contracted to competent managers, but nobody is going to want them for customers.

If it were dumped in my lap, I would have the place declared a colonia. Sounds like that is what it is already. Once it is a colonia, then there is Federal money available. Of course, it is limited, but that seems to be what the residents want is the semblance of a town, without all that fussy codes and white management.

From the description of the problem, it sounds like the real problem in the town is flooding and the flood waters get into the sewer system and flush out some of debris. There may not actually be anything wrong with the sewer system.

FEMA has (or had) a pretty aggressive floodplain clearance program for towns with a recurring flood problem. In some cases, they relocated entire towns to get them out of floodways and floodplains. In a city of 18,000 in Oklahoma, where I was working at the time, FEMA condemned and paid off over 600 homes, which city public works destroyed. Some of them were burned by the Fire Department for training purposes.

Blogger Jack Amok February 12, 2021 11:56 AM  

And then, for no reason at all, all the White people moved away.

Blogger europeasant February 12, 2021 12:02 PM  

Centreville is next to East St.Louis, a town that no White person will knowingly live in or drive thru. I accidentally came across that town many years ago. After only two blocks in I turned around asap. This town was featured in one of the National Lampoon's vacation movies. It was funny and honest when the vacationers accidentally made a wrong turn.

Blogger Dave in Ahia February 12, 2021 12:05 PM  

"relying on donated shipments of bottled water" was telling . Why fix it if someone is willing to give you what you need?

Blogger Troy Lee Messer February 12, 2021 12:06 PM  

Out of all the racsist in the world White racsist are the laziest. They don't do anything to earn being a racist. Blacks do all the work. White racsist leave it to Black men to do the dirty racsict work of killing Black men. It's like a white guy treading water calling himself an Olympic Grade swimmer just because he is competing with Blacks. Sorry Bubba, floating with MAGA hat and a Pabst Blue Ribbon isn't swimming. The only white people who should take justifiable pride in being a true white supremicist are those whites giving Black women rides to Planned Parenthood where they kill so many Blacks that, to tell you the truth, it would be exhausting and a logistical nightmare to kill that many Blacks. Be that as it may, White Supremicist are still lazy. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

Blogger greg February 12, 2021 12:08 PM  

13 and you shall have an implement among your equipment, and when you sit down outside, you shall dig with it and turn and cover your refuse. 14 For the Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp, to deliver you and give your enemies over to you; therefore your camp shall be holy, that He may see no unclean thing among you, and turn away from you. Deuteronomy23

Blogger The Propaganda Resort February 12, 2021 12:11 PM  

Just sent this to a few buddies. When you post something like this I try to send it to people who are near or on the verge of getting it.

Blogger Azimus February 12, 2021 12:13 PM  

Is there anyone at the helm of their public works department? This smells of an incompetent quota hiring that knows state employment laws better than they know their actual job - either at the PW or higher up.

Blogger Sandman USAFA February 12, 2021 12:19 PM  

Having done years of Engineering work in Centreville and other small townships surrounding East St. Louis such as Brooklyn, IL - I can assure you everything in that article is spot on "and then some."
Nearly all residents outside of a few pocket neighborhoods are on federal subsidies of one kind or another. Doctors and lawyers and judges and other municipal or career professionals that must, or have chosen, to work in the area all live in other nearby towns and commute; but the parking lots for hospitals and offices and businesses are fenced and/or guarded and/or surveilled remotely, most "stoplights" have been disabled and those that are still operational are only flashing red or yellow. Industry left decades ago, leaving massive railways and abandoned warehouses behind.
No one stops at stop signs; to do so indicates a signal to one or more of the shadowy figures leaning on any nearby building that you are a potential customer looking to purchase goods or services.
Schools are mini-havens policed by volunteer parents who do not have jobs, so that the little island housing their kids can remain relatively safe...for a few hours. Not even beefy Contractors stay to work there after dusk, and they take every tool or material home with them and bring it all back the next day.
Condensing Units for air conditioning are either roof mounted or they'll be yanked off their bolted concrete pads to be salvaged for a bit of copper.
Bathtubs in Federal Housing must be cast iron or risk being melted into the floor or burned by residents Barbequing their monthly hog, on the iron-grate storm door they ripped off the front, when their SNAP and other direct deposits come in.

The area has likely received more funds per capita from the state of Illinois and Federal programs than most outside of Chicago and Cairo, but however well-intentioned, it all dissipates without achieving significant change.
The entitlement culture and mentality, education, motivation, and capability of most residents is difficult to raise sufficiently to achieve sustainable self-generated progress.

Blogger Unknown February 12, 2021 12:29 PM  

Designated shitting streets when ?
OOOOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEE

Blogger W Molders February 12, 2021 12:30 PM  

I've not been to Japan, but much of the impression I have is that they are more conscious of being clean than Westerners. Is this a false impression? Perhaps it does not extend to storm and sewer systems?

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli February 12, 2021 12:32 PM  

Filth is racist? Who knew?!?

Blogger judgeroybean February 12, 2021 12:32 PM  

5000:1, uh yeah. Those odds don't work for me. Besides, I'm really not into being a crime victim 24/7/365.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid February 12, 2021 12:43 PM  

Astrosmith wrote:Not only are the residents not doing anything to fix it, but people outside the area aren't either. They are sending bottled water in. Gee, thanks. Could they maybe instead send some water/sewage system engineers?

Are you going to pay the engineers? Because the residents won't. If whites put in the resources to fix things their numbers will rise and we will have to put in more of our resources, subsidizing the process to magnify and increase. They need to be left to their own devices. It is immoral to do another man's work that he ought to be doing and, worse, we damage not only our children's future by doing so, but we destroy any chances they have to improve themselves. Don't feed the insert_lesser_developed_peoples.

Blogger lord enlil February 12, 2021 12:44 PM  

I guess they took the septic pill

Blogger Boaty Bear February 12, 2021 12:44 PM  

I think we should assume that Zero elections (almost anywhere) were straight (eg. NO WAY was Brexit 52-48) for at least 2 decades, if Geotus can't get good representation/beat the fraud, what chance the bike thieves in their own enclaves?

Not
A
Chance.

We know plumbing is gonna be history if left to them, but did they really vote him in? I was (maybe wrongly) under the impression that bike thieves weren't prolific voters anyway, probably happy for the $100 the harvesters offered, already knowing that which we have just had a hard lesson In, YOUR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT ANYWAY!

Blogger Hammerli 280 February 12, 2021 12:44 PM  

@67: That's funny! You just won the day's Internet!

Blogger teemac February 12, 2021 12:47 PM  

im pretty sure they are going to pool their teevee money, hire a couple trackhoes and get this fixed.... right

Blogger DeadMeat February 12, 2021 12:47 PM  

It's ok. Once they tap into their inner Wakandans, they'll invent a way to send all that sewage, and all future sewage, into the sun through some kind of space warp. You'll see.

Blogger Pedro the Cat February 12, 2021 12:48 PM  

@71

Don't forget what happens when they build "housing" in the hood as well.

Plumbers, after installing the copper supply piping, will come back the next day with it all torn out, electricians can expect all copper wiring pulled out for a couple of "2x4's", the 24 oz drink of choice in the hood. Hell, they even hire night guards, but the only ones that are willing to work there are likely to call their "accomplices" to let them know what and where to find said booty! I have heard stories on good authority where the copper pipng had to be replaced up to four times before finally getting the authorization to go to PEX tubing.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2021 12:55 PM  

Lee wrote:Talking about the makeup of the residents is probably much less significant than a description of the local, county, and state political representatives of the residents would be.
It really doesn't matter whether you describe the residents or the politicians they choose; you'll get the same answer. Blacks vote only for blacks, who rob them, because they're blacks. Africans get African politicians and African corruption, every time.

Blogger MichaelJMaier February 12, 2021 12:59 PM  

Pipeman wrote:When I taught in public middle schools, we had what was jokingly referred to as the “white proximity factor”: i.e. the closer to a white kid that a black sat, the better the black kid did academically. In reference to educational diversity and heterogeneous groupings, even the black kids wanted a white kid in their project groups. So it is with larger society.

Well having one IQ above room temp probably gets the whole group to pass.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 12, 2021 12:59 PM  

Having a little bit of experience with the IEPA and the usual watchdog money hounds I would say those black folk are well and duly f*cked. No doubt it was a visiting gaggle of white women, some Dots and if something needed to be done a put upon older white man they barely would speak to unless to find out something they needed to cover their backsides.

The White man ain't perfect but at least he is trying to climb out of the shit, trying but not always succeeding.

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 12, 2021 1:02 PM  

It's all good. The United Federations of Planets will fix it some day.

Blogger millie78 February 12, 2021 1:05 PM  

The problem with Flint isn't related to the melanin content of it's citizens, it's mostly the result of water treatment policy, which is itself a subset of the American policy of obsessing over health in the most short-sighted way possible. In particular, Flint's problems were caused by running water treated with chloramine through lead pipes, which caused the lead to corrode into the water. Lead pipes are very safe as long as the water is close to beautiful PH. If water is corrosive, lead pipes become a liability. Most major cities have or had lead pipes at some point, generally without issue. The problem is water treatment policy, which features chloramine (aka mustard gas, a compound of ammonia and chlorine), is geared towards treating water for industrial and agricultural uses more than human consumption. Chloramine is a relatively cheap way to make water potable without doing extensive filtration.

Blogger basementhomebrewer February 12, 2021 1:07 PM  

Non-Western civilizations simply don't object to filth in the same way white Christian populations do.

There is no way they are fine with.....oh.....


“I’m not trying to move out, I like my little spot. It’s very quiet, I like sitting out on the porch and looking at the trees. But it’s terrible the way the citizens are being treated,” said Olivia Dunn, a 61-year-old retiree who has seen her lawn awash in fetid water at least three times since the pandemic hit last March.

She likes sitting on her front porch and looking at the trees....while smelling her own excrement.

Blogger 7916 February 12, 2021 1:10 PM  

I work with many small towns in the northwest. You know the ethnic composition of towns in this area, and I can say they have far fewer utility connections than the town mentioned in the OP, for water and sewer. Their operation of these systems is more costly due to the insane policies of the state's ecology department. Do they work? Yes. When a major upgrade is needed, they go to USDA-RD and they get a 1-2% 40 year loan. Their citizens will pay $40-$60 more per month over the life of the loan. That's how it's done.

That this occurs indicates that the situation is useful to someone and the corruption lies not in the cost of the contract but in the bureaucratic approvals and regulatory process.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 12, 2021 1:13 PM  

You're a moron

Blogger Br'er Shaygetz February 12, 2021 1:14 PM  

...and is now doing time for all his corruption.

Blogger foxmarks February 12, 2021 1:14 PM  

Low-lying flood prone towns to merge and rename themselves Cahokia Heights.

Simple magic for simple people.

Blogger Bill Henry February 12, 2021 1:15 PM  

My son had a baseball tournament in an all black area a couple years ago. The local yutes would congregate in fast food joints and wait outside the bathrooms to watch the reactions of sane people coming out of the bathrooms. Because they were shitting on floors sinks etc and wiping hands on walls. They were laughing and watching the reaction of the regular people. They were mocking us at our disgusted reactions. I was passed and confronted them satin, what kind of person would debase themselves with their own shit to shock? They looked at me like I was speaking Chinese.

Blogger DeadMeat February 12, 2021 1:15 PM  

Astrosmith wrote:Could they maybe instead send some water/sewage system engineers?

The ones sent in would probably get mugged.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam February 12, 2021 1:16 PM  

Interesting because today I got my leaky tap fixed. Cost $312.90 but worth it. I thank God for plumbers they are servants against the constant decay.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 12, 2021 1:17 PM  

The residents of these places keep voting for the same politicians who never manage to do anything effective about these problems.

They don't mind. Not really, not enough to do any more than complain if someone sticks a microphone in their face.

Note that the white people all moved away. I'll bet they weren't rich, or they would have made sure it got fixed. Many of them were probably just as poor as the blacks. But they managed to scrape together enough gas money to pack everything up and get out. The blacks didn't.

Blogger Gen. Kong February 12, 2021 1:21 PM  

I'm quite familiar with the area. It's been a shithole of corruption for decades. Occupies river-bottom land between Belleville (which is on the bluffs and extends eastward into prairie) and East St. Louis - an even bigger shithole. Sandman USAFA very obviously knows the area well and his account is accurate. If there were actual reporters instead of shrieking SJW liars, it would be interesting to find out who, exactly, owns the various properties in Centerville and would therefore be responsible for the property taxes. My bet is that most, if not all, are paper-americans who know how to play the game.

The beneficial owners would be the ones with the money to keep their Minstrel-show 'made men' in office for life and ikely own what passes for law-enforcement as well. The beneficial owners naturally live nowhere near the place, probably never even visit. If they're even in state (one of the most corrupt in Murika), it would be in a wealthy burb of Chicago. As already noted, the residents all live on the public dole - much of which they spend on drugs, booze, etc. They'll soon be demanding to move into nearby middle-class burbs like Belleville, Collinsville, etc. thanks to Section 8 (Section Ape to its friends) - another destructive government sinkhole which the fake-opposition never opposed.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2021 1:21 PM  

Jeff wrote:Individual residents, whatever their race, can't just go fix public infrastructure.
An important part of public infrastructure is the government which provides it. In a community of 5,000, individual residents can certainly take a big part in fixing their government.
Jeff wrote:This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth.
It is exactly a matter of race. That place is populated by Africans, who have installed an African government and have developed an African public infrastructure.

Blogger Unknown February 12, 2021 1:22 PM  

Flint, Michigan had a similar problem with the water and sewer systems being oversized. Not just the population loss, but the major plants gone, too. Buick City alone had employed 20k.

Bush Jr started plans to shrink the sewage lines and plant, and Obama was going to do that and put in water return lines so they could downsize the water system.

Somehow that turned into Democrats working for/with the Kildee family (hereditary congressional family) being given the Buick City property so they could lease it to a pipe company, and the feds paying for pipelines to the lake, near but not over the same property as the Detroit water system pipeline.

So his faction got to buy the property and then sell it to the water authority for profit, and got the right to develop and sell the former park the intake line now goes through.

Of course they had their Party emergency manager switch to river water as soon as they could.

The media and The Party have done everything they can to cover for the Kildee family, including charging the former governor with a crime.

It is surreal seeing the media cover up the shear corruption and kickbacks on the new water authority. Like it does not even exist--not the corruption, the authority itself.

Blogger Noah B. February 12, 2021 1:23 PM  

These people should sell their homes, buy used vans, and go live next to Nancy Pelosi's vineyard.

Blogger urthshu February 12, 2021 1:23 PM  

>>>these blacks are citizens of Centreville and they have a right to the benefits for which they are paying taxes and other fees.

Inadvertently funny. Not how it works. Take Katrina, where you had city taxes allocated for drinking water in case of flooding - just take that little detail - and you realize it wasn't there despite literal decades of plans. The money goes wherever it goes.

Blogger Nostromo February 12, 2021 1:23 PM  

Actually it is. We should have picked our own damn cotton.

Blogger Nostromo February 12, 2021 1:28 PM  

I was esting at a Mr. Gatti's in Austin... got a plate of spaghetti. All the utensils were spoons. So I asked the manager if there were any forks clean. "Forks!" he snorted derisively, "You think we let these people have knives or forks?" An apocryphal but true story.

Blogger Derangement Syndrome February 12, 2021 1:30 PM  

You meant Haiti, not Puerto Rico. Haiti and the Dominican Republic share an island, not PR.

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 12, 2021 1:31 PM  

But isn’t everyone in Zimbabwe a billionaire?

Blogger Derangement Syndrome February 12, 2021 1:32 PM  

Nevermind, I'm the idiot.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 12, 2021 1:33 PM  

Individual residents, whatever their race, can't just go fix public infrastructure.

My town is 95% white. Infrastructure is by far the biggest issue in our upcoming mayoral election, because there are water and sewer lines approaching a century old. Anyone who wants to get elected will have to have a plan to start replacing it, because it's a town full of people capable of understanding that the time to fix things is before they break and you're living in shit. It'll take budget tightening and cuts elsewhere, but it will get done, because white people.

Stuff your excuses.

Blogger Commanderz February 12, 2021 1:33 PM  

I'm reminded of a volunteer mission to an Haitian village. Years before a group of Europeans came to the village and installed a well which had quit working a couple of years earlier. The villagers simply abandoned the well and returned to getting their drinking water from a stream, which was used for bathing, clothes washing, animals, peeing etc. In the time it took to get new volunteers to accept the project a single villager could have dug 100 new wells. Instead the males of the village just sat and waited for help to come never once thinking of helping themselves.

Anonymous Anonymous February 12, 2021 1:35 PM  

Not one black country has ever put a satellite into space.

Blogger Crew February 12, 2021 1:39 PM  

This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth.

Ahhh, the usual excuse. The people themselves are not to blame, rather there are some evil white people who are oppressing them and forcing them to live in poverty and subjecting them to racism and bad government.

Blogger Silex February 12, 2021 1:42 PM  

Jose Miguel's comment (5) was a good one. And to the people that think "Asians" are like Europeans, google "China open sewer".

Blogger Chase February 12, 2021 1:44 PM  

Turns out Enoch Powell was almost correct. No rivers of blood (yet), just sewage.

Blogger Dan in Georgia February 12, 2021 1:45 PM  

Septic doesn’t work in swampland. There’s nowhere for it to drain.

Blogger tuberman February 12, 2021 1:53 PM  

I remember in '73, coming back from a road trip to California, my friend and I knew to give East St. Louis and the surrounding areas a wide berth. We didn't even want to pass through on the interstate. Even in the 1960's people avoided that area. Known to be worse than Detroit or Philly, or even south of downtown Chicago.

Blogger KentuckyMAGA February 12, 2021 1:58 PM  

OT: I see the MMA girl that Disney fires is on board with Little Benny to make a movie.

Blogger Jack Amok February 12, 2021 1:59 PM  

The difference? The DR built their own infrastructure that they had the capacity to maintain, while PR's was built by Americans, thus was overbuilt to a degree PR can't maintain.

That's a great point. Reminds me of a guy explaining years ago why our attempt to civilize Afghanistan was doomed. They have an average IQ of 85 there. We were building power plants that require technicians with an IQ of 112 to run. There aren't enough 112 IQ Afghans to run the power plants and do all the other things a modern society needs 112 IQ people to do.

Blogger John Bradley February 12, 2021 2:01 PM  

I just did a Google Earth flyby of Centerville and East St. Louis. Both of them are in that ashes-to-ashes, dust-to-dust phase that much of Detroit is exhibiting. Most blocks only have houses on 1/3rd of the lots, the rest has reverted to grass.

That said, what's still standing seemed to be in reasonable condition. They're past the streets full of boarded-up houses state (see, Baltimore and North Philly). If Illinois were willing to give the vacant lots away (or sell them real cheap) *and* allow people to defend them with fences and guns, there'd be a ton of viable farmland there. And plenty of fertilizer.

But that's not an 'if', it's a 'not a chance in hell'.

Blogger CyrusD78 February 12, 2021 2:01 PM  

India's Poo to the Loo campaign video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l01AMCBG0Wk

Blogger Azimus February 12, 2021 2:02 PM  

@ Pedro the Cat

When did they stop using dogs for this purpose?

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 12, 2021 2:02 PM  

Five ton redpill.

Blogger Cappuccinobear February 12, 2021 2:11 PM  

Don't feed the wildlife. It will make them dependent and they will lose their ability to self-sustain.

Blogger Cappuccinobear February 12, 2021 2:19 PM  

I disagree millie. It was a group of people complaining that their water bills were too high, so Flint decided they'd pump their own water out of the Flint River instead of paying someone else. Never mind all the reports and studies saying the Flint river had issues, or that fact that it was brown and yellow water.
Also, it wasn't all of Flint, just some older neighborhoods.

Blogger James Dixon February 12, 2021 2:23 PM  

> Yet they keep voting for Democrats, who do nothing for them.

Giving them money does not equal "do nothing". Maintain their infrastructure? How does that get them votes?

> Not only are the residents not doing anything to fix it, but people outside the area aren't either.

Why should people outside the area do anything?

> Unfortunately, the grant money didn't pay for the maintenance, and upgrades.

Bingo. And the fees they charge don't go to maintenance.

> Individual residents, whatever their race, can't just go fix public infrastructure.

They can vote for people who will get it fixed and make sure it stays fixed. But strangely, they don't.

> The residents obviously do not want to pay their part for a reliable sanitary sewer.

To be fair, they probably can't pay their part. You can't pay a lot on less than $15K/year.

> This smells of an incompetent quota hiring that knows state employment laws better than they know their actual job - either at the PW or higher up.

You think?

As noted earlier, it's actually a drainage problem causing the sewers to back up. ?

5000 people. $100 each is half a million. Do you think they could get their flood drainage problem fixed for half a million? Assuming the government would allow them to, of course.

Blogger Some Guy February 12, 2021 2:23 PM  

"This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth."

Except it's Every. Single. Time. I'll quote Ron White, "Eventually you look in a mirror and go Maybe it's me!?!".

Anonymous Anonymous February 12, 2021 2:24 PM  

If you can build a steam engine, you are worth your weight in gold.

Anonymous Anonymous February 12, 2021 2:29 PM  

@108

I think it's been reported here that the average Haitian I.Q. is roughly 85. I don;t know the veracity of that claim but Eighty-Five Points. That's almost Forrest Gump (clocking in at 75 points, which is in the old verbiage an "idiot").

They don't seem to have any choice but to wait around for someone to help them. They haven't the capacity. Mr. Metokur did a video last year on Haitians making mud pies and eating them.

Blogger RobbyIlluminknotty February 12, 2021 2:30 PM  

Were they already using Dominion voting machines back then?

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 12, 2021 2:31 PM  

Notice only the white people left when the jobs disappeared.

Blogger RobbyIlluminknotty February 12, 2021 2:31 PM  

Were they already using Dominion voting machines back then?

Blogger DannyDanger February 12, 2021 2:33 PM  

https://youtu.be/K5LD0JHUhQg

This calls for a modern day remake of Zappa's "Centerville" (above)

"Centreville, a real nice place to raise your kids up.
Centerville, it's really neat!
Raw sewage! Raw sewage! & Dysentery!"

Blogger Fellow Traveler February 12, 2021 2:35 PM  

FALPhil wrote:Another example to watch is Albany, Georgia.

The entire state of Georgia

ftfy

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2021 2:36 PM  

dienw wrote:In my opinion, these blacks are citizens of Centreville and they have a right to the benefits for which they are paying taxes and other fees.
The benefits they voted for include kickbacks for the connected, and the pleasure of having a city council who looks and acts like them, right down to the sense of entitlement and habit of larceny. They are indeed getting what they paid for, and voted for, good and hard.

What, did you think they wanted sewers badly enough to pay for them? ``Sewers? Daze why-peepo stuff!''

Blogger Boaty Bear February 12, 2021 2:46 PM  

Surely that is maintenance any man should be able to do himself?

I had to do the same last month cost me £6.42

Blogger Unknown February 12, 2021 2:54 PM  

If that were true, then African countries would be on par with European ones, since there isnt any whitey around to be 'racist' against them.

Wake the fuck up, dipshit.

Blogger Gon Freecs February 12, 2021 2:54 PM  

Wakandump

Blogger Elder Son February 12, 2021 2:58 PM  

Kings and Queens... a Jesus is Black!

Just send them all to Africa. They'll never live out their natural lives... well, that they have in America anyhow, despite this.

Blogger Brian D. Kennedy February 12, 2021 2:59 PM  

No doubt Biden-Harris will spin this as a successful example of "Green" (although at least two other colors would be equally appropriate) policies. A few earlier commenters, presumably former personnel at Scott AFB, already confirmed the post-Apocalyptic wasteland status of the Metro East. At least one former EStL mayor back in the late 80s/early 90s was caught living in an high-rise apartment building in downtown St. Louis (across the river in Missouri, FYI) and commuting to "work" (I'm sure he put in long hours) in a limousine with bodyguards.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock February 12, 2021 3:04 PM  

Cholera 2: Effluent Boogaloo


"just a 12-minute drive from downtown East St Louis"

Are they pretending this is somehow shocking, that such horrors could exist in such close proximity to one of America's lesser known but most virulent murder factories?

Blogger dienw February 12, 2021 3:08 PM  

Jack Tanner wrote:Not one black country has ever put a satellite into space.

And even with Whites it required Germans; and some say when Byrd took his armada down to New Swabia, he was driven off by saucer like craft.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 12, 2021 3:14 PM  

"There are 5,000 people living there and absolutely none of them are willing and able to do anything about it."

Hell they're not even willing to move away and do the change of address on their welfare checks.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei February 12, 2021 3:23 PM  

Very well engineered and clean.

The China human wave is bringing filth. Its their current challenge. It is a fight everywhere.

Blogger dienw February 12, 2021 3:24 PM  

And for your entertainment, another "mean Whites" vs "Po' Blacks and sewage. This time its dem nasty Confederates.
Activist Catherine Flowers: the poor living amid sewage is 'the final monument of the Confederacy'

Blogger Jpc February 12, 2021 3:28 PM  

Bit of White man's burden guilt there!

Blogger Maxem February 12, 2021 3:30 PM  

@John Bradley I was curious and did a street view "drive around".
Pretty bleak.
Could you believe I found a white man...on White St. hahaha

Blogger God Emperor Memes February 12, 2021 3:42 PM  

Imagine believing any of them pay taxes.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid February 12, 2021 4:02 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Notice only the white people left when the jobs disappeared.

Oh heeeeelll no! Too good.

Blogger Noah B. February 12, 2021 4:17 PM  

"Imagine believing any of them pay taxes."

The article described a thriving business community concentrated around traffic lights. Surely that must generate some sales tax revenue.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 12, 2021 4:24 PM  

"But of course, anyone younger than Boomer age wouldn't know that."

Wrong.

"Note, Even the most esoteric subjects can be Boomerized, you know."

Your retarded vanity is showing. Also, this isn't a boomer thread, STFU/stop shitting in it.

"Japan is clean though non-western."

It wasn't before it got westernized.

"In my opinion, these blacks are citizens of Centreville and they have a right to the benefits for which they are paying taxes and other fees."

Paying? That's a good one! They aren't paying, idiot. They're emptying those coffers into corruption and "social benefits" when they're filling them at all in the first place.

"The problem with Flint isn't related to the melanin content of it's citizens, it's mostly the result of water treatment policy, which is itself a subset of the American policy of obsessing over health in the most short-sighted way possible."

Replace "American" with (((capitalist))).

"That this occurs indicates that the situation is useful to someone and the corruption lies not in the cost of the contract but in the bureaucratic approvals and regulatory process."

The process being run by the elected blacks. As for paying, the people are high risk for loans. No one's going to lend them shit unless the loan is secured by white taxpayers. You're retarded on both ends.

"Septic doesn’t work in swampland. There’s nowhere for it to drain."

It works if anyone cares to modify it to work. Don't be a moron. You build drainage routes, pipe systems, pumping if necessary, and increase processing plants if that's more feasible. It doesn't work because the people don't care.

Blogger DeepThought February 12, 2021 4:25 PM  

@#7139 You make a great point.

"Centreville, IL, along with much of East St. Louis, IL, is reverting back to the bottomland swamp forest it used to be."

I live in a rural town in Central Illinois that was once swampland and is currently 99.97% white and has twice the income of any community around us.

Recently we had a major water break. Within days the problem was identified, a plan drawn and approved, funds from the rainy day account utilized and construction began to fix the problem long term. By the time Spring ends, infrastructure problem fixed.

Blogger bobby February 12, 2021 4:32 PM  

"This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth"

Yep. Exactly. But probably not the way you mean.

Low expectations produce low results.

All y'all progressives do not consider blacks to be capable of anything, and so you expect nothing from them on their own. And so they produce nothing on their own.

It's your racism causing all of this.

Blogger centexguy February 12, 2021 4:42 PM  

Reminds me of Port Arthur, TX. It used to be a growing, thriving city until all the whites moved out. Now it's a crime-ridden dysfunctional mess. Of course the all black city council likes to blame whitey for all it's problems. For the black citizens there, voting for members of their tribe is more important than living in a modern, safe city.

Blogger Shadow Banisher February 12, 2021 4:42 PM  

Surely it's because muh Democrat run city.
Because muh Democrats are duh real racists.

Just vote Red, and suddenly the blacks will become civilized.

Blogger Jack Amok February 12, 2021 4:51 PM  

Notice only the white people left when the jobs disappeared.

You're guilty of illegal noticing, Doktor.

Blogger SmokeyJoe February 12, 2021 4:52 PM  

"And then, for no reason at all, all the White people moved away."

When will these people learn, access to white people is a privilage not a right.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid February 12, 2021 5:03 PM  

dienw wrote:In my opinion, these blacks are citizens of Centreville and they have a right to the benefits for which they are paying taxes and other fees.

I take it you missed out on the Darkstream wherein the SDL showed that blacks are something like a net -$20k in tax revenue? I'm probably undershooting it a bit too.

So I suppose you are correct, they have the right to zero benefits.

Blogger Jose Miguel February 12, 2021 5:05 PM  

@126 Lando

Haiti has an average IQ of 67, 8 points lower than Forrest Gump.

Hispanidad has an average IQ of 84 for comparison. This all-black town has an average IQ of 85. They have a mental edge over even Hispanidad, yet won't build something that even basic Andean hamlets did before the Spanish showed up.

Blogger The Lab Manager February 12, 2021 5:17 PM  

This is another example of crappy American blacks that simply need to be repatriated to Africa. This article is amusing coming from a news source that claims Trump caused everything to go wrong in the world and really thinks there is 'white supremacy' around every corner.

Blogger Shadow Banisher February 12, 2021 5:19 PM  

It's even getting to the point where many white people have no concept of switching on the bathroom ventilation fan when one is available.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2021 5:30 PM  

@11 "all of this is somehow whitey's fault. I don't know how, but clearly it's because of us."

Of COURSE it's all our fault -- WE brought them out of their natural habitat, and FORGOT to put them in zoo cages!

Blogger Meng Greenleaf February 12, 2021 5:38 PM  

The black guy might not get the underlying genetic analysis related to avg intelligence and behavior dispositions, but he seems to get it: If we wants to live like the Whites, we needs dem Whites!

Incidentally, I read that the avg IQ in White populations is on course to fall to 85 in ~ 79 years. So, happy days ahead. And if we're fortunate enough to get those strong winter winds blowing down from the north, two centuries from now we'll be back to square 1 :D

Actually, what is more likely to happen is IVF and eugenics will become institutionalized. So, this might be something to think about now. If you can be a 'leader' in that field, then now is the time to set up a fiefdom there. Not to mention IVF is about to become much more common as Whites lose the ability to reproduce naturally (which happens to lab mice colonies).

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2021 5:44 PM  

@29 "This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth."

Hey! Found our idiot-leftist. Jeff, you ever heard of Appalachia? White area, poor as Africa -- STILL not filled with filth! The White there may not (be able to) take daily baths, but they sure as hell clean up as much as they can, and they FOR SURE do not let bodily wastes pile up near the houses!

It IS non-Whites if not actually happy, then certainly entirely too comfortable living in filth to do anything about it! Are you entirely unfamiliar with the insane prevalence in india of defecating and urinating on EVER street in town? Even see the Ganges River? Where folks are squatting in the shallows brushing their teeth with river water not 10 feet away from a ROTTING CORPSE! Someone above mentioned recognizing the border to Mexico by the sewage smell.

It is absolutely a WHITE thing that we arrange cleanliness to the maximum extend possible wherever we are. It is ABSOLUTELY a non-White thing to not really care, and certainly not anywhere close to actually trying to DO something about it; either with a group, or failing that, by one's self!

Guessing you haven't read, either, about the Indian (actual paid legal-immigrant) WORKERS at a D.C. EPA building defecating IN THE HALLS! Or the (african) moslem refugees who squat on TOP of the toilet lid and defecate on the lid, because, allegedly, the drawing trying to teach animals how to use a WHITE civilizational toilet doesn't work for them. (Or, as some hypothesize, because it pleases them to make the White staff clean up after them: Either hypothesis fits.)

(Have you EVER seen any White people living in sewage because of GOVERNMENT neglect!?!? Just how naive ARE you?!)

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2021 5:50 PM  

@49 "for which they are paying taxes and other fees. ... property taxes and other fees paid by these blacks"

You're kidding, right? They don't PAY taxes, they live off taxes!

Blogger Teleport me off this rock February 12, 2021 5:52 PM  

This is a matter of poverty, racism and government neglect, not non-white people happy to live in filth.

Dear dumbass: THEY ARE STILL LIVING IN THE FILTH. Perhaps not happy, but certainly not motivated enough to do anything about it, except moan about "racism", just like the rest of the braindeads.

By the way something, how about taking a quick look around the globe and notice what sort of folks are also living endlessly in their own filth. But I suppose to you, that's not their fault either and we owe it to them to fix it, as reparations for being born white.

Blogger Bezzle February 12, 2021 5:56 PM  

@9. #7139 February 12, 2021 10:34 AM
Centreville, IL, along with much of East St. Louis, IL, is reverting back to the bottomland swamp forest it used to be.

It's oxbow lake country. Draining the soil causes it to shrink and subside, leaving the river perched ever higher and higher in its levee.

It's the New Orleans problem, just further upstream.

Blogger ND February 12, 2021 5:59 PM  

Thank you! SJWs and progressives are the most racist people I know!!!

Blogger SerbBear February 12, 2021 6:02 PM  

Drug-induced apathy tends to lead to filth. On a small scale, it's a dirty home full of garbage, ash trays and bongs. On a large scale, it's a town like this.

They should bulldoze this place down, relocate these folks to that Boomer Village in Florida, and lock the gates. Would make a great reality show.

Blogger Pedro the Cat February 12, 2021 6:03 PM  

Buildings and homes built on ground that poorly drains is common, as that is the cheapest land. Centreville abuts a little town of Sauget, which abuts East St. Louis. After the Flood of 1993 there was tons of govt. money around, and the little town of Sauget, population 200, got an upgrade to there sanitary sewer system, and EACH HOME got it's own grinder/lift station and force main pipe that pumped into a central pump station in town, that in turn pumped to the local Waste Water Treatment Plant. Storm Sewers were upgraded as well, and the streets repaved. That town is predominantly white, at least the last I checked. The houses there are a mixture of private owners and also rental property owned by the Sauget family Corporation. You can indeed put in pumps, but in a bad storm when the power goes out, although the main Pump has a generator, not so the houses. There is simply an alarm that goes off with a flashing light that is battery operated. In essence, the basements will stay dry until the power fails.

Blogger Avalanche February 12, 2021 6:18 PM  

@150 "Low expectations produce low results.
All y'all progressives do not consider blacks to be capable of anything, and so you expect nothing from them on their own. And so they produce nothing on their own.
It's your racism causing all of this."

Nope, sorry Bobby, yours is just the FLIP side of his racism! Think of blacks adopted into White families, going to White schools, being raised with White parent expectations. They do NOT 'live up to expectations' -- they live "up" (usually down) to the genetic heritage they were born with. Go read up on all the separated twin studies. Black infants adopted into even high-middle and upper-class White families, raised with all the high expectations of the White children in those families ... match very precisely in IQ and behavior their own black twin.

Silk purse / sow's ear?! CANNOT be done! There is no Magic Dirt, and there is no Magic Nursery!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 12, 2021 6:36 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:And then, for no reason at all, all the White people moved away.
An' dem rayciss why-peepo din take no black peepo wif dem! Dat RAYCISS!

Blogger My Comment February 12, 2021 6:38 PM  

Watching what happens in black communities once Whites leave, we get to witness a watered down version of what happened in Haiti once the Whites were killed and driven off. Unfortunately there are always whites in some capacity to make sure black areas don't quite go to full Haiti.

Whites are going to get blamed for any gap between the lives of blacks and what they feel that they are entitled to have. We are going to get no credit so let's enjoy the decline.

Cleanliness is really a high IQ thing. You can walk around poor Eastern European cities where the wage is only some 500 Euros and see a leavel of cleanliness and order you will never find in black communities. Only White and some Eastern Asian countries practice the whole cleanliness thing

Blogger Meng Greenleaf February 12, 2021 6:57 PM  

W Molders wrote:I've not been to Japan, but much of the impression I have is that they are more conscious of being clean than Westerners. Is this a false impression? I've known a few dirty Japanese. But, not many.

In our Japanese home my wife would take her shoes off at the door, walk through the kitchen to the living room, where she'd take off her slippers and put on living room slippers. Of course if she went to the bathroom, there are dedicated slippers for that room alone.

The shower room is it's own enclosure (water sealed). When taking a 'bath' you shower first so that you're clean. Then get into the bathtub and relax.

That sort of thing plus more would typify the Japanese in my family anyway.

I once read a letter from an Englishman comparing Tokyo (Edo) and London. He commented on how clean the Japanese were, and was particularly impressed with their watering the roads in the early morning to keep dust down when the foot traffic started a little while later. His comment was, while they're doing this, we're leaving dead bodies in abandoned alleyways. Of course, it's typical to exaggerate when writing back home, even back then, but still - he did specifically mention how clean the Japanese were.

I think it is partly to do with environmental selection pressures including dealing with China and various SARS-like pathogens.

Blogger Anne February 12, 2021 7:03 PM  

@Jeff
If you lived there what would you do? Would you just live with it, or would you fix the problem for yourself, whether that meant moving away and perhaps losing your job or whether it meant something else?

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel February 12, 2021 7:18 PM  

For blacks, the only solution is WHM or White Help Matters.

Funny thing. Even as whites are cleaner than blacks, so many of them idol-worship and in Europe too. UK and France also had BLM protests. And even though Canada had virtually no blacks until the 1960s, it makes a huge deal about blacks.

When it comes to cultural pollution, whites are champion wallowers in filth.

What they body knows, their minds reject. So, even though many whites fled to the suburbs to get away from blacks, they vote for pro-black politicians and policies. White Suburbs feature library lectures on BLM.

It goes to show, no matter how clean your body, if your mind is sick and polluted, the body will eventually follow.

Germany a clean country says WELCOME to Africans and Muslims. Its soul is polluted.

Blogger RobertDWood February 12, 2021 8:04 PM  

+1

Blogger Abyssus Invocat February 12, 2021 8:35 PM  

“Africa is where Africans are”.

Damn, I wish I’d said that.

Blogger MrNiceguy February 12, 2021 9:07 PM  

A future residents of Centerville will be responsible for inventing the first time machine. The municipal government will then buy it and connect it to the city's sewer line.

The dial on the machine will be set to 2021.

Blogger Jack Amok February 12, 2021 9:11 PM  

Haiti has an average IQ of 67, 8 points lower than Forrest Gump.

Hispanidad has an average IQ of 84 for comparison...


The Caribbean makes an interesting observational environment. Haiti is one of the more screwed up nations on earth, even compared to West Africa. OTOH, Barbados is the most prosperous country on Earth run by Blacks. Both started out as European colonies with imported West African slaves. The difference is, Haiti was the first Caribbean country to declare independence, while Barbados was the last. Barbados had around 400 years of unbroken British rule before independence, while haiti had less than 200 of French rule. 1000 years of contact to civilization... but I think you can earn partial credit.

Regarding China and Japan. Vox knows more Japanese history than I do, but my impression is the Japanese were a group of high-performers who did their damndest to get away from the hordes of Chinese a couple of millennia ago. Sort of like the White folks who left Centreville. They figured they could do better away from the folks who stayed behind.

Blogger tdcommenter February 12, 2021 10:16 PM  

@177 I suspect that the Japanese embraced Western learning more systemically & had a functioning gov't to do so. It wasn't so much getting away from Chinese hordes as a people, but shedding the old Sinicized traditions & Chinese suzerainty. Given the lack of natural resources, the Chinese didn't have much of a reason to encroach or emigrate to Japan in olden times.

China suffered under the rule of the Manchu and had to give concession to various foreign powers during the same era.

Blogger tdcommenter February 12, 2021 10:29 PM  

@159 another perspective is that this is what a people adrift without a cohesive nation looks like. Without their own nation, they have swallowed some of the most destructive version of black nationalism. Since the civil rights mov't and the open advocacy of black nationalism, many of them stopped aspiring to the Protestant work ethic and the life script successfully followed by heritage American. Following that life script was advocated by Booker T. Washington, but lost out to the call for revolution & relying on gov't. Jason Whitlock in one of his last videos for outkick.com remarked that black people were being programed.

This is not a call to blame whitey. My view is that the past cannot be changed, a bad past is no reason to engage in destructive behavior, and the invitation was open to join in America's prosperity.

This is an observation that any people who have lost their nation are wretched indeed.

Blogger LaurelBear February 12, 2021 10:30 PM  

We live in the south, just outside the city limits of Memphis.
The smell of raw sewage wafts through through the metro area, one that looks 30 years behind most cities. It's not uncommon to see barefoot crackheads defecating in trash filled parking lots. Discarded weaves (from knock-down drag-out cat fights) flutter limply on cracked sidewalks. The stream of violent crime is constant down here. Even the extremely liberal whites know not to get gas in most neighborhoods for fear of getting beaten and mugged. (I could tell you about the demographics but I think you get my point)You don't have to convince the white residents here that there is a big problem. There is a look we give each other when confronted with black foolishness. A look that says "Here we go again".

Imagine our surprise when we boarded a plane to New England and there was no screaming and no fights. People were courteous and polite our whole trip. We felt safe walking in big cities, when to do that at home would mean mugging or worse. The feeling of safety was eye opening and even exhilarating. It sounds dramatic, but if you see what it's like down here, you'll understand why we loved it up there.

I'll say the one downside to New England though, is the amount of liberal whites who push for diversity. They have absolutely no clue how blessed they are to live in a monoculture that looks and acts like them. They don't know what it's like to drive through a city that's filled with people who don't plan a day in advance or at least until they get their government check.

Blogger tdcommenter February 12, 2021 10:32 PM  

Also, to add to my previous post. I would be remiss not to point out the role of other Africans in the slave trade.

Blogger DeadMeat February 12, 2021 10:34 PM  

Meng Greenleaf wrote:The shower room is it's own enclosure (water sealed). When taking a 'bath' you shower first so that you're clean. Then get into the bathtub and relax.

I'm sure others have seen it, too, but I remember watching a quick video of (maybe) some high speed train pull into a station, and once the passengers got off, a cleaning crew came in and did their thing before the next set of passengers got on. Compare that to a NY subway car that is probably only cleaned when someone bleeds all over the floor and washes the dirt out the door.

Blogger DeadMeat February 12, 2021 10:37 PM  

bobby wrote:All y'all progressives do not consider blacks to be capable of anything, and so you expect nothing from them on their own. And so they produce nothing on their own.
It's your racism causing all of this.


Looks like someone missed his ride on the short bus home.

Blogger RadixMalorum February 12, 2021 10:41 PM  

Avalanche wrote:Silk purse / sow's ear?! CANNOT be done! There is no Magic Dirt, and there is no Magic Nursery!

Exactly. Humans are like computers and upbringing is like software. You can't try to install Call of Duty Black Ops Cold War on a Pentium 1 and expect to have the same results as installing it on an Intel I7.

No matter how much you try to educate someone at 85 IQ you're not going to get a viable Software Engineer for example. I think these leftists know deep down it's true they just refuse to accept it because not only do they lie to others they lie to themselves.

Blogger CA3 February 12, 2021 11:01 PM  

Centreville's problem is more a result of the populations own making than racism, mental illness induced poverty, or criminal government ineptitude. The residents, like most modern American home owners, bought overpriced properties in what were declining and low-income suburban bedroom communities neighboring a city. Had black home buyers been better Christians, they would have more earnestly valued the fruits of their labors and saw the trap. They would have instead bought undeveloped land and built their own towns from scratch, and let the foreigners be the hermit crabs paying through the nose to live in America.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel February 12, 2021 11:41 PM  

Check out Flowers' bio:

https://www.macfound.org/fellows/class-of-2020/catherine-coleman-flowers

And she has Jane Fonda on the Board of her organization.

"median household income of less than $15,000 a year and almost half of residents living below the poverty line."

Flowers is evil.

If she cared about these people, she hit up Fonda to rent each of them a moving truck and go somewhere else. It's not like they are attached to the town some unique employment.

But it's so much better to have them live in filth to advance the racist narrative.

Blogger Jeremy V February 12, 2021 11:53 PM  

Yes, (sniffs)-yes-this was inevitable.....this perfect storm you all speak of-it’s known as the ‘Poo-Poo-Plattah’.

Blogger Jose Miguel February 12, 2021 11:57 PM  

@Jack Amok Religion plays a role for sure too over time. Crime rates of Dominicans and black Colombians are comparable to other Hispanos and not at all like black America. Then again all of Hispanidad is crazy mixed compared to white/black America.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 13, 2021 12:06 AM  

I am reminded of Al Capp's autobiography. He was the man behind Lil' Abner, and a good Liberal and Democrat. He was invited to provide captions for a set of pictures that were going to be a photo-essay in LIFE magazine. The last picture was a set of dusky teens on a brownstone stoop in NYC, surrounded by piles of trash, during one of the 1970s' innumerable garbage strikes. His caption was "Get off your ass and pick up the street. You live here." That was enough to write him out of polite Liberal New York society.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2021 12:08 AM  

"When it comes to cultural pollution, whites are champion wallowers in filth."

No, just champions at tolerating certain (((people))) that we shouldn't have. They caused a lot and maybe most of the rest with that tolerance.

Blogger Jack Amok February 13, 2021 12:18 AM  

It wasn't so much getting away from Chinese hordes as a people, but shedding the old Sinicized traditions & Chinese suzerainty.

I dunno - I think the Japanese may represent a higher-IQ, longer-time-preference, higher-trust branch of the sino genetic family. We know those traits do have genetic components, the Chinese stock who took over the Japanese islands may have been a higher functioning subgroup who wanted to get away from the mainlanders.

Consider the differences. Japan has a tradition of craftsmanship that rivals anything in Europe. China, well, the joke is COVID has lasted longer than anything else ever made in China. The Japanese are not eager to be your (false) friend, but if they do accept you, they are very reluctant to betray your trust (I have some good 2nd hand stories from Sony about that). Cleanliness - you really can't compare Tokyo to Beijing. Tokyo is maybe the cleanest big city you can find. Beijing smells like the grease trap on a commercial stovetop that needs cleaning. And finally, nobody would ever describe the Japanese as "the Jews of the Orient."

I think they were an incompatible subgroup that found a refuge they could defend from the hordes.

Blogger Laconic February 13, 2021 2:08 AM  

This whole thing reminds me of my aunt in athens who actually managed to capture a photo worth a thousand words
A migrant from who the hell knows where was taking a crap in a toilet some greek threw away by the dumpster.....

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 13, 2021 2:16 AM  

Ethnically, the Japanese are Central Asian, not Han. The language is a close relative of Korean and Mongol, and a more distantly of Turkic. Needless to say, they picked up a lot of Han culture and Han genetics on their way to Japan, but the Japanese are NOT an offshoot of the Chinese.

Blogger Bezzle February 13, 2021 2:30 AM  

@173. Andrea Daley Utronebel February 12, 2021 7:18 PM
When it comes to cultural pollution, (((whites))) are champion wallowers in filth.

--FIFY

What they body knows, their minds reject. So, even though many whites fled to the suburbs to get away from blacks, they vote for pro-black politicians and policies.

--Oh do they? Were you even paying attention this last election? It is now readily apparent that nobody has any clue who voted for what, and it's probably been that way for at least three decades.

--White Suburbs feature library lectures on BLM.

Because libraries are converged government rackets which exist chiefly to justify cabal money-laundering in the form of massive book printing runs to anointed minion ghostscript. (Phantom copies of the shit sit on electronic shelves in the computer system without ever being requested by a patron, and most are unaware that such drivel ever existed.)

Blogger SmokeyJoe February 13, 2021 7:17 AM  

@ 191 Jack Amok

"I think they (Japanese) were an incompatible subgroup that found a refuge they could defend from the hordes."

I think the Japanese may have been the original "V1.0 Asian Starter Pack-Upgradable." Then as groups migrated out into more dusky neighborhoods the genetic program got corrupted.

Blogger Damelon Brinn February 13, 2021 9:28 AM  

It's not uncommon to see barefoot crackheads defecating in trash filled parking lots.

It never ceases to amaze me what people will put up with to "get" to live in a city.

Blogger Solon February 13, 2021 11:27 AM  

The effort wasnt wasted, they just stopped putting in the effort.

Civilization is constantly at odds with Nature. Stop trying to civilize places, and nature returns, often quite swiftly. The entire ark of history is (usually white) man taming nature, but stop domesticating dogs and watch how quickly they turn feral.

It wasnt so much wasted effort as it was the realization that the effort would be constant, and the people just couldnt be bothered.

T.S. Eliot was prophetic when he wrote "This is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but a whimper."

Blogger Solon February 13, 2021 11:29 AM  

And a hefty supply of lime. And occasional shoveling of night soil into a compost pile.

C'mon Boomer, some of us younger folk have lived that experience. You aren't special.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 13, 2021 12:22 PM  

Hey, Rumpole is one of the good guys.

He's got a sense of humor and biting wit. He has a moral compass. He fights fair. He brings evidence. We might disagree with what his generation did with it, but he's one of their best. He shows up for the Boomer threads, and I genuinely want to bring him a drink and check that he's okay after each one.

Blogger S1AL February 13, 2021 3:22 PM  

"Ethnically, the Japanese are Central Asian, not Han. The language is a close relative of Korean and Mongol, and a more distantly of Turkic. Needless to say, they picked up a lot of Han culture and Han genetics on their way to Japan, but the Japanese are NOT an offshoot of the Chinese."

The Chinese aren't even 'Chinese'. There are four major ethnic groups in the mix, and being Han is equivalent to being Hellenic.

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