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Wednesday, February 10, 2021

Never trust a male feminist

Cordelia, Tara, Spike, and Buffy all come out publicly against Joss Whedon: UPDATE: as have Anja and Dawn.

The lead in Buffy, Sarah M Geller, voiced support for Carpenter in an Instagram post on Wednesday, which read: 'While I am proud to have my name associated with Buffy Summers, I don't want to be forever associated with the name Joss Whedon... I stand with all survivors of abuse and am proud of them for speaking out.'

Fellow castmate Amber Benson, who played Tara on Buffy, echoed Carpenter’s sentiments, writing: 'Buffy was a toxic environment and it starts at the top. @AllCharisma is speaking truth and I support her 100%. There was a lot of damage done during that time and many of us are still processing it twenty plus years later.' 

'Last summer, when Ray Fisher publicly accused Joss of abusive and unprofessional behavior toward the cast and crew during reshoots on the Justice League set in 2017, it gutted me,' she continued. 'Joss has a history of being casually cruel. He has created hostile and toxic work environments since his early career. I know because I experienced it first-hand. Repeatedly.'

Whedon has not yet responded to the allegations made by Carpenter. Carpenter claims Whedon would regularly make 'passive-aggressive' threats to fire her throughout the filming of the two shows, which she said 'wreaks havoc on a young actor’s self-esteem.'

The actress further alleged that Whedon would 'callously' mock her and call her fat to other members of the cast and crew when she was four months pregnant, despite weighing just 126 lbs, she said.

'He was mean and biting, disparaging about others openly, and often played favorites, pitting people against one another to compete and vie for his attention and approval,' Carpenter continued of Whedon.

She claimed in one instance Whedon called her in for a sit-down meeting to 'interrogate and berate' her regarding a tattoo she had gotten during filming to help her cope with 'a volatile work climate that affected me physically.'

Carpenter has previously accused Whedon of writing her character off Angel during its fourth season back in 2003 because he was 'upset' she had gotten pregnant. During Season 4, the character of Cordelia turns 'evil' and eventually ends up in a coma, never to reawaken. Once eventually informed, Carpenter said Whedon requested a one-on-one meeting with her, in which he allegedly asked her, '[Are you] going to keep it?'

'He proceeded to attack my character, mock my religious beliefs, accuse me of sabotaging the show, and then unceremoniously fired me the following season once I gave birth,' she claimed.

The lead in Buffy, Sarah M Geller, voiced support for Carpenter in an Instagram post on Wednesday, which read: 'While I am proud to have my name associated with Buffy Summers, I don't want to be forever associated with the name Joss Whedon... I stand with all survivors of abuse and am proud of them for speaking out.'

Fellow castmate Amber Benson, who played Tara on Buffy, echoed Carpenter’s sentiments, writing: 'Buffy was a toxic environment and it starts at the top. @AllCharisma is speaking truth and I support her 100%. There was a lot of damage done during that time and many of us are still processing it twenty plus years later.' 

Nasty little creatures, gammas. Give them even a modicum of power and it inevitably goes right to their egos. And the creatures that obtain power in the Hellmouth are among the worst.

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134 Comments:

Blogger M In The 517 February 10, 2021 5:28 PM  

Dare those harlots mock ....(sarcastic dramatic pause) The Whedonverse?

Blogger Balkan Yankee February 10, 2021 5:31 PM  

Buffy the Joss Slayer.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 10, 2021 5:32 PM  

He proceeded to attack my character, mock my religious beliefs, accuse me of sabotaging the show, and then unceremoniously fired me the following season once I gave birth

What a POS. In his Gamma-mind, she was his girl along with every other young woman on the set. And when she got pregnant by her husband, his delusion bubble popped and he couldn't deal with the reality of what he really was.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 10, 2021 5:39 PM  

I still remember years ago how I actually believed these people were close because of the backstory for Once More..With Feeling. (THEY ACTUALLY HAD DINNER AT JOTH HOUSE AND SANG! THEY MUST GENUINELY GET ALONG xD)

I sometimes wish I could go back to being THAT retarded.

Also, poor Charisma...

Blogger Jeff February 10, 2021 5:39 PM  

You have the 9 circles of hell and then...Hellmouth, where the Hollywood types and the bishops and priests who betray their flock go.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot February 10, 2021 5:42 PM  

pitting people against one another to compete and vie for his attention and approval

And the hopelessly insecure attention whores are lambs to the slaughter for those gammas.

Blogger Bezzle February 10, 2021 5:44 PM  

IOW, it's OK to despise everyone on both sides of this MeToo.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 10, 2021 5:45 PM  

I rember when some #metoo stuff blew up 9n Whedon a bit before that was really a thing, and I had quite a nasty laugh because I used to participate in some online fan forums for a couple TV shows a decade+ ago which had a large number of women who worshipped the ground Whedon walked on because of Buffy and Angel.
P.S. Not ever a fan of those two myself.

Blogger Chris Lopes February 10, 2021 5:47 PM  

Writes strong female characters, treats real woman like shit. Yep, a gamma.

Blogger Brett baker February 10, 2021 5:51 PM  

But he had that show! I mean, like the most awesome show ever! Or something.

Blogger Alex R. Berg February 10, 2021 5:52 PM  

Man it makes a huge difference whether 'Buffy' made these claims and fought for morale behavior when she still had something to lose, or just started complaining after many many years. Now she probably stands to gain from the claim due to SJWs recognition. Having 'Skin in the game' matters.

If it was such a toxic work environment they should have quit, for their own sake. Stefan Molyneux is pretty elaborate on that part.

On a side note, I also recall the latter Buffy seasons were really bad, the initial Buffyness of season 1 totally dead, replaced with whining.

Blogger Pax_Romana February 10, 2021 5:52 PM  

Really would explain why her character got nuked in Angel. Joss ruining Cordy as an attempt to get back at Charisma. What a conniving little Gamma he was/is.

Blogger Jack Ward February 10, 2021 5:53 PM  

I enjoyed the Firefly series and the after the collapse movie Serenity. During that brief time of Firefly had no idea of Whedon or on set problems. If all true, sad the actors had to go through all that. I have major hopes that UATV and the movie efforts of Vox Land will avoid such and still produce quality work. Which I will happily invest in for support and entertainment.

Blogger flyingtiger February 10, 2021 5:56 PM  

If he gave them flowers they would have never said anything bad about him. As a male feminist he would have never thought about that. Any male who is against women having tattoos has some good in him.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 10, 2021 6:01 PM  

Charisma got married, had a baby, and Whedon wanted her to kill her child?

Checks...yep.

Blogger Kingly Gift February 10, 2021 6:18 PM  

What's annoying is that you can watch interviews of the actors from the time, or listen to "commentary" while watching the episodes on DVD, and they all praise JW as the greatest guy to work for, the nicest guy, the smartest guy, etc. Which means either they are lying now, or were kissing butt and lying back then. Either way, it's reason 1,260 to totally and completely excise anything having to do with pedowood from your life.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch February 10, 2021 6:19 PM  

Shit-stirring feminist bosses (who are actually female) are also evil ice queens. Whedon is behaving like Kamala Harris.

Blogger sammibandit February 10, 2021 6:20 PM  

Jonathan was his proxy for gamma rage. And it was Jonathan who gave Buffy the Class Protector Award. Ironic.

Blogger VD February 10, 2021 6:22 PM  

Man it makes a huge difference whether 'Buffy' made these claims and fought for morale behavior when she still had something to lose, or just started complaining after many many years.

Carpenter was complaining about Whedon long ago. No one took her seriously in Hollywood because she is known to be a Christian. Also, Angel fans knew her character had been ruined and killed off, but no one understood why, although there were rumors at the time that Whedon was unhappy about her getting pregnant. It's all on record.

Blogger sammibandit February 10, 2021 6:24 PM  

@Alex R. Berg

After Buffy died in season 5 it was never the same. She was brought back and, in the show since she was pulled out of Heaven, she was very angry. The show should have ended when she died.

Blogger Lando February 10, 2021 6:36 PM  

@7

EXACTLY.

No one has anything to lose here by acting this way, not even Whedon, and everything to gain. Some more than others. Mostly this is just a female post-wall shame-fest or typical POC bitch-around.

At least in principle.

In fact, all will be shunned as pains-in-the-asses or otherwise liabilities to the bottom line.

Blogger Doktor Jeep February 10, 2021 6:52 PM  

Figures.

Blogger d February 10, 2021 6:54 PM  

"Never trust a male feminist", nor the women who aid and abet. Both are necessary to keep the beast from imploding upon itself. It's the gals who leave immediately, rather than bend over for years picking up the sheckels, that have my sympathy.

Blogger Crew February 10, 2021 6:55 PM  

Some of those actors appear to be precious little snowflakes but that does not excuse Whedon's behavior.

Blogger Pyrex February 10, 2021 7:05 PM  

I was a huge Firefly fan a decade back, I thought Dollhouse was good too. Is Buffy worth watching? Was always disappointed in Whedon...he took great character, great plot setups, and great actors and just couldn't seem to make it land.

Blogger Rough Carrigan February 10, 2021 7:08 PM  

#4, Alas, there really is no blue pill.

Blogger Pathfinderlight February 10, 2021 7:13 PM  

Shows run by SJW's sometimes accidentally hire good writers or directors that will put actual artistic talent into the show. An example of this is Dave Filoni on Avatar the last Airbender. At the time, many people made the mistake of thinking the show creators had talent. Then Legend of Kora came out.

That makes me wonder who Whedon has working for him that has the talent people erroneously attribute to him.

Blogger AsunderBear February 10, 2021 7:16 PM  

Spike was awesome.

Blogger Ben Cohen February 10, 2021 7:20 PM  

Vox, question: do Gammas like to act macho and put on the front that they're very tough as opposed to Alphas that don't need to do that?

For example, Tom Brady doesn't act obnoxious but everyone knows he's the Alpha through his leadership, expectations of his players, and his tough but fair attitude towards them.

Blogger map February 10, 2021 7:20 PM  

This is a big problem with the CW. The actors and actresses are usually and exceptionally attractive and the staff/directors are a bunch of mooks. It's the high school dynamic in reverse, where the nerds/dorks find themselves in charge of the jocks/cheerleaders. They can't help acting like gammas.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeMoron James loves knife murder ) February 10, 2021 7:24 PM  

Charisma was playing a minor character, she had little to no Hollywood leverage. whether she complained at the time or not would have likely made no difference except to get her fired sooner. it doesn't help that she's Christian.

((( Sarah Gellar ))), though, was the star of the show. Gellar speaking up while the show was going on would certainly have caused problems for the WB channel executives and Whedon's production company.

and Alex's point was specifically in relation to Sarah.

Blogger Blake February 10, 2021 7:26 PM  

Ugh, the fact that Whedon "got upset" that one of his actresses got pregnant and then asked if she was going to keep it grosses me out. Makes it seem like he had silently "claimed" her in his head and then blamed her for not reciprocating.

Blogger Paddy J S February 10, 2021 7:28 PM  

Angel and Buffy were two of my favourite shows growing up.

Interesting to see Joss Whedon is a secular humanist pro choice male feminist. Given what Charisma says he did to her I believe it. Notice aswell the tattoo he had a problem with. Anti Catholic. That too should get attention in the press.

Never ever trust a male feminist.

Blogger Prince Asbel February 10, 2021 7:35 PM  

Not everyone who worked with Whedon hated him. Actors worked with him on Dr. Horrible with the promise of getting paid for their work later. If we could see into people's minds, I would bet money most of these women stayed quiet when they realized Whedon was making it big. Maybe they hoped he would give them a job in the MCU or some other huge project.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel February 10, 2021 7:36 PM  

The problem was Whedon was a self-righteous prick, a hypocrite on ideological matters.

As for his behavior on set, I don't see it as a big deal. Coaches, directors, conductors, and etc. were known for driving the crew mercilessly.
Entering such environment is like entering bootcamp. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, as the saying goes.

So, if Whedon berated some ho about her weight or tattoo, I don't much care.

But if Whedon acted that way on the set but played Mr. Sensitive in public, F*** him. It's the hypocrisy I can't stand.

Blogger cranky1 February 10, 2021 7:42 PM  

Why is Josh such a bad guy? In most jobs pregnancy can be worked around but let's face it, Charisma's job revolved around her being really beautiful and really hot. This required no effort and no education. She was 1 in about 10 million women. She should be thankful. You guys would not have watched the show if a actress 50 pounds heavier was Cordelia. Sarah waited to have babies until after Buffy was over. It is not Josh's fault that Charisma decided to get pregnant with a husband that was unemployed so she had additional stress of supporting the baby. That was Charisma's decision. Also she states here that she got the tramp stamp because she was under so much stress. I am sorry it is so darn stressful to be so beautiful and thin and gorgeous all you have to do is remember a few lines every day. Such a hard life! Please give me a break!

Now we know what a whiner Charisma is here, now at the wise age of 50 she is still resentful she couldn't do what she wanted in the middle of a job with no consequences. She hasn't learned that life isn't fair and is based on choices. It's a sad thing.

I guess Josh now wishes he had fired her ass immediately and had recast the Cordelia part. It might have been a better show. I know the whole Connor thing was where Angel went down hill.

Blogger VD February 10, 2021 7:42 PM  

do Gammas like to act macho and put on the front that they're very tough as opposed to Alphas that don't need to do that?

No, Gammas tend to be passive-aggressive and snarky. Alphas love to beat their chests and will do so whether they need to or not. The question makes it sound like you have a problem with Alphas, which ironically enough is a reliably Gamma trait.

Blogger VD February 10, 2021 7:45 PM  

What's annoying is that you can watch interviews of the actors from the time, or listen to "commentary" while watching the episodes on DVD, and they all praise JW as the greatest guy to work for, the nicest guy, the smartest guy, etc.

Every actor and actress always says the director is "so brilliant". Some of them might even believe it. I tend to doubt that you would speak honestly about your opinion of your boss's boss's boss on the public record either.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot February 10, 2021 7:49 PM  

Carpenter was complaining about Whedon long ago.

And the rest of the fame whores, to protect their "dreams", left her to hang for 20 years. If everyone on set wasn't so obsessed with gettin' that ticket, shitheels like Whedon would have been stomped into the pavement from the jump, but instead they all BOHICA it, for celebrity.

Blogger "William Berke" February 10, 2021 8:02 PM  

what

Blogger RedJack February 10, 2021 8:04 PM  

Interesting that I was reading some old Firefly fanfic just today. Loved a lot of that show.

Blogger ScottC February 10, 2021 8:05 PM  

The question makes it sound like you have a problem with Alphas, which ironically enough is a reliably Gamma trait.

To be fair Vox, you've said that you don't like alphas either, but that you're not a gamma.

I've known two types of men who beat their chests (said they could "beat up" somebody), but only one type of man was willing to back up his bravado.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 February 10, 2021 8:07 PM  

they are actors. paid to act. believe it or not they also endorse things they never use.

Hollywood is made up of mamy people who are misguided and compromised. It is the land of broken people.

some are better than others but most still fit the broken mold.

Blogger Ben Cohen February 10, 2021 8:07 PM  

do Gammas like to act macho and put on the front that they're very tough as opposed to Alphas that don't need to do that?

No, Gammas tend to be passive-aggressive and snarky. Alphas love to beat their chests and will do so whether they need to or not. The question makes it sound like you have a problem with Alphas, which ironically enough is a reliably Gamma trait.


I do. The last one I worked for stole money from me and treated his employees like garbage (despite being a loyal employee for 3 years who never complained, never said much period, and got the job done consistently.).

Blogger VD February 10, 2021 8:15 PM  

To be fair Vox, you've said that you don't like alphas either, but that you're not a gamma.

I don't dislike alphas at all. I find them amusing and occasionally annoying. They often initially have problems with me, because they erroneously assume I'm a fellow alpha who is challenging them. Now that I understand the dynamic, it's an easy problem to avoid.

What I don't like is gammas.

Blogger John February 10, 2021 8:15 PM  

Phrenology is real and nobody can tell me otherwise.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot February 10, 2021 8:16 PM  

By the way sumthin','Last summer, when Ray Fisher publicly accused Joss of abusive and unprofessional behavior toward the cast and crew during reshoots on the Justice League set in 2017, it gutted me'? She was so "gutted" in rendered her utterly silent? Or maybe she kept her greasy cockholster clamped because Whedon was a virulent and vocal anti-Trumper. But nah, none of these good, noble and righteous people would ever be so crass and petty, right?


Some of those actors appear to be precious little snowflakes but that does not excuse Whedon's behavior.

Who's excusing his behavior? As someone pointed out, it's perfectly possible, even right, to despise everyone involved here, except perhaps Carpenter.


The show should have ended when she died.

If his behavior was truly so horrific, the show should've ended before it was aired. But it didn't. Why is that?

Blogger Dark Herald February 10, 2021 8:18 PM  

Pathfinderlight wrote:
That makes me wonder who Whedon has working for him that has the talent people erroneously attribute to him.


That is generally acknowledged as being Tim Minear.

Blogger Dark Herald February 10, 2021 8:22 PM  

Gamma Male feminists don't really write strong female characters. They write about men with tits.

The strong female character is invariably a self-insert.

She's the one that gets to beat up all the swaggering Alpha males. T

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 10, 2021 8:23 PM  

I feel the sudden urge to channel Joe Pesci

Blogger Ransom Smith February 10, 2021 8:23 PM  

Wheedon has that perv face that other creepers like Louis CK have.
Physiognomy doesn't lie.

Blogger L February 10, 2021 8:25 PM  

I wonder how many of the actresses complaining about Whedon's nastiness have put out for roles.

Blogger Chuck February 10, 2021 8:26 PM  

Ive been with my girlfriend since she and I were children. I wonder how this thing would apply to me. As the father of four and grandfather of three at age 52, I can't imagine where I'd shake out. I could give a shit, honestly. My race has been run pretty much. As a prominent figure in the Proud, I wonder what's in store for my men and for me, but that die has been cast. Walking with God is the only plan that adds up in this world.

Blogger drgonzo February 10, 2021 8:37 PM  

That was Tim Minear

Blogger Newscaper312 February 10, 2021 8:37 PM  

I discovered Whedon thru Firefly also, a bit after the fact. It was just as well that all ended w Serenity, when Whedon did female mega-pander with River revealed as overpowered Super Girl, Buffy on steroids.
The very premise of Dollhouse was evil, where your characters are just Meat Puppets. At least in Alyssa, when Garners character was constantly playing dress up, it was still the same person underneath.

Blogger GregMan February 10, 2021 8:39 PM  

"Anti Catholic. That too should get attention in the press."

Don't worry. It won't.

Blogger Lando February 10, 2021 8:41 PM  

@50

The Joe from Casino. When you put their head in a hole in a desert.

Blogger furor kek tonicus ( LeMoron James loves knife murder ) February 10, 2021 8:42 PM  

36. deplorablecrone February 10, 2021 7:42 PM
You guys would not have watched the show if a actress 50 pounds heavier was Cordelia.



Buffy was a chick show. sure, there were guys watching for the cheesecake, but the majority of the audience was female:
https://www.buffyguide.com/extras/demos.shtml

https://screenrant.com/buffy-vampire-slayer-more-male-vampires-females-reason/

so, unless you want to accuse the female fans of Bodyism ... ?

Blogger Canada78Bear February 10, 2021 9:12 PM  

Well, I guess we know who's picture should be under the Gamma topic on I.G. as exhibit 1.
I didn't keep score but I don't think he missed any of the traits.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel February 10, 2021 9:18 PM  

@36

How long have you been been a feminist?

Blogger SplashDaddy February 10, 2021 9:23 PM  

I reported to a gamma for three years. It was miserable. Of the dozen or so people who ever reported directly to him, most of them literally suffered mental illness. I only kept my mental health by communicating work topics exclusively in writing - primarily emails but also text and messaging. I limited all one-on-one face and voice contact to a minimum and always kept it short.

Gammas are cruel, cowardly and petty at heart. They create a toxic environment by trying to turn everyone against each other.

Blogger Elder Son February 10, 2021 9:23 PM  

The real opiate of Boobus AmeriKanus is entertainment programs. Reads like one of those dysfunctional reality shows that people watch these days. People eat this crap up and for some reason get themselves emotionally involved with the disfunction.

Blogger The Masked Menace February 10, 2021 9:25 PM  

Do Gammas dislike women? Do you think the majority of serial killers Gammas?

Blogger The Masked Menace February 10, 2021 9:28 PM  

I think I know why most Gammas are atheists. You see, if God existed, then the world would naturally recognize how wonderful they are.

Blogger Paddy J S February 10, 2021 9:30 PM  

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Blogger S1AL February 10, 2021 9:34 PM  

On the subject of commentaries, I watched one for the first 'Avengers' and something Whedon said stuck with me - he made a comment about a certain camera shot of Captain America, something along the lines of "I don't [get to be an actor] because I don't have the jaw." At the time I just passed it off as self-deprecation. But so much now, where it just sounds like butthurt.

Given the characters written by Whedon and Martin, it seems that some gammas have am excellent grasp of human nature, which only reinforces their envy of others and their self-hatred.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira February 10, 2021 9:38 PM  

Vox posts the most savage boomer death-camp screeds one day, and the next he is Buffy posting. 2021 is not so bad after all.

Blogger MichaelJMaier February 10, 2021 9:40 PM  

I knew Whedon was a slimeball by watching videos of him running his fool mouth. He just couldn't help but tell you what he is. And after that, it got very hard to watch his stuff without seeing it through that lens. And this was long before I heard any accusations.

Blogger MichaelJMaier February 10, 2021 9:42 PM  

Watch any of his shows: Women are up-powered. Men get emasculated. On Buffy alone: Angel, Reilly, Spike. All got their balls snipped off.

Blogger sammibandit February 10, 2021 9:46 PM  

The show should have ended when she died.

If his behavior was truly so horrific, the show should've ended before it was aired. But it didn't. Why is that?


I don't know. I can't answer that.

Blogger SecondComingOfBast February 10, 2021 9:49 PM  

I keep hoping Eliza Duzhku would get over her Trump hate long enough to add her voice but not so far.

Blogger Silly but True February 10, 2021 9:56 PM  

Whedon was a piece of work but then so were the others who took the ticket. Xander beat women:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/buffy-vampire-slayer-actor-nicholas-brendon-charged-felony-domestic-violence-1208332

Blogger Dave W. February 10, 2021 10:02 PM  

And Dawn and Anya, too: https://archive.vn/Mg4dg

Blogger sammibandit February 10, 2021 10:10 PM  

Who's excusing his behavior? As someone pointed out, it's perfectly possible, even right, to despise everyone involved here, except perhaps Carpenter.

Agreed. I was in the fandom when it first aired. Carpenter was a character in an ensemble cast and part of the main ensemble.

Sarah Michelle Gellar had a reputation for being a workaholic and "serious on set". The person who played Willow (Alyson Hannigan) later went on to say that Gellar was not nice. Putting aside whatever filter that went through Hannigan's (Willow) mind we can at the least suspect that Hannigan was needy and Gellar was an Ice Queen. Generally if someone complains that someone is cold that person isn't getting out of that perceived relationship that which they think they are owed. So you're probably correct to assume the other actors are jerks below contempt.

Carpenter was and is a fan favorite. Having watched the show as it aired and in retrospect I think Whedon took away work from her. Her character on Buffy was developing into something before she went onto Angel. Fans were sad to see her go. Her character even dated one of the "Scooby Gang" on the show, but it fizzled into... I don't know. Another character playing a new addition called Anya took her place.

In hindsight Carpenter's character is the best played (she's very skilled). I didn't know she was Christian until today, and that adds to her skill. I imagine it's hard playing on a horror show that takes nominal Christianity for granted (crosses and holy water worked on vamps) when you're a devout Christian.

Blogger Arch February 10, 2021 10:12 PM  

So the irony of the SSH in modern America is that Gammas now run more universities, government agencies, and even corporations than Alphas. By virtue or vice, our society is pushing more Alphas to the fringes, making more Sigmas who opt out of climbing the ladder to seek independence from these mind numbing structures.

Blogger Pyrex February 10, 2021 10:18 PM  

@55: The concept of the dollhouse in the show was evil. I found the show interesting to the extent it postulated that people couldn't really be meet puppets, that some sense of identity (a "soul") must endure no matter what. They rather bungled it in season 2 though...Whedon's strength to me has always been his ability to, for the most part, have his interesting characters act and develop and grow as people, yielding really engaging stories. When his larger plot arcs (granted, i never saw Angel or Buffy) always seemed to falter for me.

Blogger Off The Wall February 10, 2021 10:22 PM  

Justin Trudeau is a self-declared male feminist. Case closed, they're all bent.

Blogger Reprehensible Adam February 10, 2021 10:28 PM  

Vox do gammas get life blood from alphas?
Are they vampires waiting in the shadows for there chance to cry victim and gain power by virtue?

Blogger Daniel February 10, 2021 10:47 PM  

If they dont abuse women, male feminists will instead crumple under the weight of their art.

Blogger Aaron February 10, 2021 10:50 PM  

Now when I think of the first 2 Buffy episodes, the title of the episodes has a very different meaning.

Blogger Chris Lopes February 10, 2021 11:37 PM  

In television (since the dawn of time) pregnancy is usually worked around. It's either written in to the storyline or the actress is filmed in such a way as to hide it. Whedon instead chose to first suggest she kill the child. When that failed, he killed off her character. That's a dick move.

Blogger Doom February 10, 2021 11:37 PM  

Trust them? In what way? They will always do what they do. I absolutely trust that they will do this and worse. I'm surprised he didn't analize half those women... and some of the "men". *cough*

Though, what he did? So what, to be honest. Hurt feelings? Any corpo is about making money. Hurting feelings is a sideline. Some do it for their own pleasure, others do it to crack that bottom line any way possible. Plus, it gets rid of the squishies.

I can be mean, but it's for a reason. To make sure someone fits. I even enjoy it, if I think I'm dealing with a dim or midwit who needs to go. I hate when people hide behind hurt feelings. Life isn't fair, get over it. I will help them or chase them off. It's not a fun thing, always, but it saves my time and energy for those who can take it and keep on going, even fend for themselves.

That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. I don't even kill, mostly. But, if you end up being with me for a while, you will be stronger. As will I. I... choose those like myself. Amen.

Blogger Megamerc February 10, 2021 11:54 PM  

VD wrote:I don't dislike alphas at all. I find them amusing and occasionally annoying. They often initially have problems with me, because they erroneously assume I'm a fellow alpha who is challenging them. Now that I understand the dynamic, it's an easy problem to avoid.

What I don't like is gammas.


Vox, you've regularly stated that the hierarchy is a way to classify and usefully identify behavioral patterns, and that status as any specific hierarchy class is often situational. You dislike gammas. Alphas are amusing. What is the breakdown, in your opinion, of nature vs nurture in these behavioral patterns? Is it 90% nature? 50-50? 10 percent nature? It is clear to me that some behaviors can be learned and unlearned, I know it is not 100% nature.

Secondly, is it a case of hating the Sin, not the Sinner? Hate the Gamma behavior, not the person? For example, God hates the wicked and does not tolerate sin. How much of Gamma behavior is a love of gamma behavior by the Gamma, and how much of it is the Gamma honestly failing to live up to a higher standard?

Blogger Jack Amok February 11, 2021 1:34 AM  

As for his behavior on set, I don't see it as a big deal. Coaches, directors, conductors, and etc. were known for driving the crew mercilessly.

Sure, but it's bullshit. I have a bunch of highly skilled people working for me who command large salaries. If I treated them like crap, they'd go somewhere else. The Enfant Terrible act is pathetic behavior that usually masks a poor leader.

In fact, I'm curious. How old really, is the trope of the genius who drives his underlings hard? I know there is a fairly ancient trope of the bumbling boss who yells at his men to mask his incompetence. Curious if the other trope is quite a bit (((newer))) than we'd expect.

Blogger weka February 11, 2021 1:42 AM  

A look though the mugshots of Hollywood directors would confirm that.

Or Democrat congressmen

Blogger Bezzle February 11, 2021 2:09 AM  

@32. Blake February 10, 2021 7:26 PM
...the fact that Whedon "got upset" that one of his actresses got pregnant and then asked if she was going to keep it grosses me out....

--I can't speak to the hearsay of the latter portion of the claim, but if signed up for an unmarried hourglass role and intend to show up on the set with a bun in the oven, that's breach-of-contract. It shouldn't come as any great surprise, then, when the showrunners write your character into a "coma" for a few seasons, then kill it off.

@55. Newscaper312 February 10, 2021 8:37 PM
I discovered Whedon thru Firefly also, a bit after the fact. It was just as well that all ended w Serenity

--It would have been better off ending without "Serenity", since that movie killed off a beloved male character while elevating a psycho ninja slasher girl.

To hell with all invincible ninja slasher girls*; their appearance in any project is the scriptwriting equivalence of phoning-in a bukkake shot. They are waifu bait for omega otakus.

(*Did you catch Amos' tough-guy character being upstaged by the psycho ninja slasher girl Peaches in "The Expanse" this season? --Of course she's now his girlfriend, and to be a new member of the Rocinante crew in season 6, replacing >drumroll< a beloved male member of the crew, who conveniently died to free up a bunk. Because just *one* psycho ninja slasher girl in the form of Martian shocktrooper murderbot Bobbie wasn't enough for this show. Mr. Plinkett voice: "It's like a pattern, or something.")

Blogger Punkindrublik February 11, 2021 2:39 AM  

There are several, demonic ways these Gammas could have spun this to their advantage, in ways palatable for public consumption, yet no less demonic.

I count myself grateful that they failed in that endeavor.

Blogger Br1cht February 11, 2021 3:21 AM  

86.

Are you trying to emulate lawyer-speak after watching some tv-show and supposedly now you identify as a lawyer?

Blogger Alex R. Berg February 11, 2021 3:31 AM  

@19. VD: Carpenter was complaining about Whedon long ago. ...

Ah, that changes the scenario. Thx for the update.

I'm stunned to learn Whedon apparently deliberatly killed the Buffy series. It seems quite stupid, but also quite likely if he could no longer get high on bossing Sarah Geller about. It also kind of makes sense that is what happened, because the Angel series didn't go down into a pit of whining.

Blogger Crunchy Cachalot February 11, 2021 5:29 AM  

@70 - Sure you can. It's super simple: everybody was getting what they wanted, even if for some the cost was rather higher than they thought it would be. Hoes gotta ho, and pimps gotta pimp, and C.R.E.A.M. is the dream.

Of course, they still paid it. it's just they're have a seriously delayed case of buyer's remorse, probably because they feel safe that they're not going to lose anything now.

Blogger Skyler the Weird February 11, 2021 6:38 AM  

They killed off Alex on the Expanse who isn't dead in the books because Cas Anvar got me tood for trying to get into blue hair panties at Cons. Having Amos go Ga ga over the waifu ninja is in the books.

Blogger Skyler the Weird February 11, 2021 6:40 AM  

Charisma Carpenter looked good in all that red leather as a lesbian Mord Sith dominatrix in Legend of the Seeker.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 11, 2021 8:05 AM  

@Pyrex
I know that was supposed to by the trajectory, the dolls waking up, but it felt like one of the shows or movies where they have their cake and eat it too: spend 90% of the time glamorizing the bad thing, then tack on "Oh, by the way, this is bad." Example: almost every movie about a woman cheating.

Blogger Newscaper312 February 11, 2021 8:14 AM  

@Bezxle
In Serenity, Whedon killed off Wash, part of the only married couple, who'd even had the temerity to talk about having children. Then insult to injury, River is so gosh darn smart as well as ninja, she literally takes over his job at the helm.

I enjoy the Expanse, but don't forget gosh darn it, Naomi Nagata is the smartest engineer EVAR! Badass pilots we can do without.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 9:19 AM  

You're flexing. A real gangsta doesnt need to flex nuts cuz a real gansgta knows he's got em.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 9:29 AM  

You smell gamma.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 9:30 AM  

Bootcamp is the way it is because you're training people for war. Whedon mistreated women (demographic known for being fragile) because he could. Slight difference.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 9:33 AM  

I liked both Angel in Buffy. You'd probably like Angel more, its less teenage drama.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 9:34 AM  

People like you are why people like Whedon dont get what they deserve.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 9:43 AM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeV1lt-7bY

Heh heh heh.

Blogger Storm Rhode February 11, 2021 9:45 AM  

Most people quit jobs if their boss is a jerk. These people sign up for a part modeling job, wreck their figure with a pregnancy and cry crocodile tears decades later about how pissed the boss was at them for trying to wreck his show by being a pregnant woman when it wasn't in the script.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2021 10:51 AM  

Most people quit jobs if their boss is a jerk. These people sign up for a part modeling job, wreck their figure with a pregnancy and cry crocodile tears decades later about how pissed the boss was at them for trying to wreck his show by being a pregnant woman when it wasn't in the script.

Wow. Do you think every woman who gets pregnant while working is sticking it to her boss?

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 11, 2021 10:56 AM  

You shoot around the pregnancy. It's not even nifty new techniques. It's stuff from when movies were black and white with blackboard shots of speech. A few months pregnancy, and then she's back.

Joss Whedon kept Buffy as a comic book. He had Buffy have an abortion. He is a very real fan of the dead baby arts.

Charisma Carpenter is a good actress. The whole cast was talented. There's a reason the show has fans in reruns, decades later. Most shows don't even make a season, and most actors and actresses do not become iconic characters with fans willing watch whatever else they make.

I am so sad they had to endure so much awfulness at the hands of the director.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 11:04 AM  

Did you ignore the rest?

Blogger tuberman February 11, 2021 11:09 AM  

>> River is so gosh darn smart as well as ninja, she literally takes over his job at the helm.

I kind of liked 'Firefly,' except that Mary-Sue caused me to not want to suspend disbelief in her character. Buffy was worse than River though. Because Gamma, Whedon had a difficult time creating even half way believable Mary Sue roles.

James Cameron did better directing his Mary Sues in 'Aliens.' Although, he didn't create Ripley (second Alien movie), she and Vasquez were much more palatable in their roles. Still Mary Sues will be popular until feminism dies. The one-in-a-thousand, who can actually hold her own will be touted as typical. Female audiences, and female readers demand lies.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd February 11, 2021 1:37 PM  

Art,imitates life for once lol

Blogger Lando February 11, 2021 2:07 PM  

Dawn has nothing to lose by jumping on. She's gained at least another person.

Blogger Lando February 11, 2021 2:09 PM  

Dawn has nothing to lose by jumping on. She's gained at least another person.

Blogger sammibandit February 11, 2021 3:11 PM  

I hope Faith (Eliza Dukshu) jumps in next. Glad to hear Michelle Trachtenberg (Dawn) did.

Blogger Chill Penguin February 11, 2021 3:43 PM  

@101 do you think pregnancy is a choice?
@90 did God get what He wanted? do you like showing teenage girls on their favorite TV show that you get fired for being married instead of showing them that women get pregnant and have babies?
daily reminder that the definition of feminism is the political expression of concupiscence to fornicate

Thus saith the LORD, Go and get a potter's earthen bottle, and take of the ancients of the people, and of the ancients of the priests; 2And go forth unto the birth control federation of America, which is by the entry of the east gate, and proclaim there the words that I shall tell thee, 3And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of America, and inhabitants of the cities; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle. 4Because they have forsaken me, and have estranged this place, and have burned incense in it unto other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known, nor the kings of America, and have filled this place with the blood of innocents; 5They have built also the high places of Science, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Science, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: 6Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be called Planned Parenthood, nor The birth control federation of America, but The valley of slaughter. 7And I will make void the counsel of America and the cities in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth. 8And I will make this city desolate, and an hissing; every one that passeth thereby shall be astonished and hiss because of all the plagues thereof. 9And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend in the siege and straitness, wherewith their enemies, and they that seek their lives, shall straiten them.

10Then shalt thou break the bottle in the sight of the men that go with thee, 11And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaketh a potter's vessel, that cannot be made whole again: and they shall bury them in Planned Parenthood, till there be no place to bury. 12Thus will I do unto this place, saith the LORD, and to the inhabitants thereof, and even make this city as Planned Parenthood: 13And the houses of the cities, and the houses of the kings of America, shall be defiled as the place of Planned Parenthood, because of all the houses upon whose roofs they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.

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Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 6:11 PM  

How on earth is Ripley a Mary Sue? Genuinely curious.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 11, 2021 6:12 PM  

The full, unedited scene is both nasty and hilarious. That gay director might be the most punchable guy I've seen.

Blogger Lando February 11, 2021 6:36 PM  

@72

He's also a raging alcoholic.

Whedon is a effeminate, degenerate scum and always has been. He even changed his name to be more femme. I kicked his nuts in several years ago on Twitter and it got me banned. It was brutal.

In the long run, this will do nothing to him. They'll wait for the furor to die down (Disney et al) will be clamoring for his services. Of course, everyone will have to publicly distance themselves from him (Marvel actors, et al).

SMG is a bit of a no-nonsense broad. Whedon even told the writers of the comic books (who told him they saw her in a restaurant) that they were lucky not to have approached her, she would have slapped them with a restraining order. She definitely does not like the Hollywood crowd any more that is necessary. She's married (happily) to Freddie Prinze Jr. who has said categorically he blames Hollywood for his father's death. However she's the best of an indifferent lot.

As for the rest of the cast of every Whedon production, I don't like any of them (excepting Dave Boreanaz, who is a friend of a friend) and this goes for Angel/Buffy/Firefly and MCU. They've all pushed the whole feminist/pedo/faggot narrative as far as they could. They're my ideological enemies and I don't care that they're taking Whedon down with their failed careers. They should have learned to code.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 11, 2021 9:11 PM  

These are lovely young women who are pursuing their talents. Would you be so gleeful about, say, a lovely young secretary getting harassed by her hedge fund manager boss? Do you really believe that the head cheerleader deserves to get beaten up by a lacrosse player, or molested by an AVL club president?

Do you pull the wings off butterflies for fun?

Blogger Lando February 11, 2021 9:45 PM  

@115

If you're referring to my comment, perhaps you either misunderstand me or have misconstrued. Either way, I'm not gleeful. I'm telling it as I see it, and I hold to the conviction that Hollywood is not, and never has been, a place for young women to pursue their talents. That's Fact, and snark will never be able to compete with it.

They may have been better off staying in Grand Rapids or wherever, raising a loving family instead of wasting their time and energy and talent in a place that takes and takes and leaves nothing but a shriveled husk.

Nothing to be gleeful about that specifically, but Post Wall is a very real thing. And if you sell your soul and beauty and biological destiny for the almighty dollar and a chance at uber-stardom, the Devil will come to collect.

I bring your attention to Rose McGowan, Ashley Judd and the whole Scooby gang from the Weinstein Club. That's just in recent memory. There's also a famous quote (though possibly apocryphal) from Marylyn Monroe regarding abuse that I will not reproduce here.

Blogger S1AL February 11, 2021 9:59 PM  

"As for the rest of the cast of every Whedon production, I don't like any of them (excepting Dave Boreanaz, who is a friend of a friend) and this goes for Angel/Buffy/Firefly and MCU. They've all pushed the whole feminist/pedo/faggot narrative as far as they could. They're my ideological enemies and I don't care that they're taking Whedon down with their failed careers. They should have learned to code."

Adam Baldwin also had a falling out with Whedon some time ago... the reasons are now becoming more obvious.

Blogger Bezzle February 11, 2021 10:09 PM  

@91. Skyler the Weird February 11, 2021 6:38 AM
They killed off Alex on the Expanse who isn't dead in the books because Cas Anvar got me tood for trying to get into blue hair panties at Cons.

Fair enough.

Having Amos go Ga ga over the waifu ninja is in the books.

Did the books have a scene similar to the one in this year's season 5 where, during the woods trek, Amos is stripped down the skivvies by cannibal shotgun guy, and it's looking grim when succedly Peaches goes berserk, jumps him like a panther, and tears him into pieces with her bare hands? Camera angle is of a surprised Amos being covered in sprayed gore.

I can't wait to take that to the sack, either. Yeesh.


@94. Newscaper312 February 11, 2021 8:14 AM
@Bezxle In Serenity, Whedon killed off Wash, part of the only married couple, who'd even had the temerity to talk about having children. Then insult to injury, River is so gosh darn smart as well as ninja, she literally takes over his job at the helm.

I don't remember it being quite as bad as Daisy Ridley climbing into a abandoned-for-junk Millennium Falcon and getting it flying again within minutes -- but I'll take your word for it.

I enjoy the Expanse, but don't forget gosh darn it, Naomi Nagata is the smartest engineer EVAR! Badass pilots we can do without.

I cannot stand any of the women on that show. Any dialog scene without a male present is a fast-forward.

Blogger tublecane February 11, 2021 11:21 PM  

@105- Don't let's stretch out the meaning of Mary Sue. James Cameron may have a fetish for a certain type of woman he keeps putting in his movies. But they're not Mary Sues, and he's a far smarter and more accomplished writer-director than Whedon.

I don't remember much about Vasquez. Maybe she is ridiculous, but she's also a minor character. Ripley doesn't do anything an exceptional woman couldn't do, physically or otherwise.

Even Sarah Connor in the second Terminator movie is kept within strict bounds. She has to fight fully-grown male guards in her escape from the mental institution, which definitely beggars believability. But if you pay close attention, each action on her part makes sense, physically. She's hitting vulnerable points on them with stronger objects. Never does she go toe-to-toe and overpower them.

That being said, the idea that she could get lucky enough to go that far starting out with nothing but her minimal uniform is not believable. Odds are prohibitively against it. Ah, but she doesn't actually escape herself. She needs runs into the giant Austrian muscleman.

Which is all to say at least James Cameron thinks about this stuff. Whedon keeps doing kung-fu kicky girls in everything.

Blogger JohnC February 12, 2021 1:09 AM  

I will say Vox what makes Joss worst than just being a Gamma is that satanical line he gave to Carpenter '[Are you] going to keep it?'. We know what master his serve.

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Blogger Happy Housewife February 12, 2021 9:05 AM  

The actor who played Alex is being investigated for abuse of under age girls. Don't mourn him too much.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 12, 2021 9:27 AM  

Well, there are families in Hollywood. Ms. Charisma Carpenter has one. Laura Dern has two acting parents, and two children. The Bridges family are all decent people. The Sheen family has generations of creative people. Kristen Stewart is second gen creative, at least. Maybe even third.

Los Angeles is one of the largest, most populous city regions in the USA. It doesn't need East Coast media, so it catches all sorts of shade for it. Part of Weinstein's ability to rampage is that he was East Coast- he was a monster, but he was an East Coast Godzilla. They liked him harming West Coast girls.


Hollywood wasn't grotesque trolls molesting young people for the first twenty years. It was old stock American free spirits and Quakers. There were serials, which meant steady careers making good character building stories. There were dueling cowboy serials. These were pushing good morals, good decisions, good character. The actors were married to screenwriters or backlot types, or other actresses. It wasn't a grotesque carnival of excess, overall.

It has the same arc as any other industry in America, over this century. I mean, home sewing pattern companies, of all things, got taken over by the travelling high-IQ carnival, stripped of its pension funds built over generations, and then debased into really awful shells of themselves.

And, the thing is, I don't support burying creatives out in the country, and telling them to stifle their talents, interests and dreams. It would be like telling a young man to not build cars, if that was his interest. We don't support factory floor managers molesting their staff. It's the same thing.

I don't think a creative would fit easily into a small town muffled by resentment. I don't think beautiful young women are any safer in small towns than they are in a city. I haven't seen it.

I also have questions about small towns being this reservoir of fertility.

Blogger tuberman February 12, 2021 10:22 AM  

>> @105- Don't let's stretch out the meaning of Mary Sue. James Cameron may have a fetish for a certain type of woman he keeps putting in his movies.

Yep, that's exactly what I did, and I believe for good reason. I said that Ripley and Vasquez are far more believable, and neither show near super power abilities to know everything and do everything. Also, neither look like the wimp females that River looks like.

So, why did I extend the tag to include them. It's their relationship to the men around them. Vasquez is more butch than all the male marines around her, even taking Point often. She is a character actor, but it's a solid role for a large part of the movie. Contrast Ripley with the Captain when she takes over control of the armored vehicle to rescue the remaining marines. And, contrast her with Mister, "Game over, Man!" marine, as that's what the movie and these two female roles are mainly about. Strong Female > Most males, as Ripley even outshines the Corporal she likes in the movie.

Whether you agree with me, the extension is at least partially valid due to Strong females are better than even most trained Marine Males. Perhaps even all males everywhere?

"I am Women hear me roar!" intentionally is applied there by James Cameron, and yes, he though carefully about how to put that Narrative in place.

Blogger Chill Penguin February 12, 2021 11:31 AM  

@115 when every woman on tv either wears a skirt down to her ankles or a skirt down to her knees with leggings under it and is either a virgin or married then you can demand respect for them, until then what they're modeling is that bad behavior gets you lots of attention

Blogger Lando February 12, 2021 1:27 PM  

@123

Do you even read this blog? There's several themes running through it, and if you have some time, maybe peruse it sometime.

Blogger Lando February 12, 2021 1:40 PM  

@123

"Hollywood wasn't grotesque trolls molesting young people for the first twenty years. It was old stock American free spirits and Quakers."

Wrong. It was Jews who were foremost in the business, applying the aspects from 18th and 19th Century Sephardic 'Court Jews' system.

"There were serials, which meant steady careers making good character building stories. There were dueling cowboy serials. These were pushing good morals, good decisions, good character."

I do know that John Ford and Tom Mix were working with Wyatt Earp. I also know the story that Maureen O'Hara caught John Ford in a liplock with another man. There's a limit to my credulity but there seems to be none with you.

"The actors were married to screenwriters or backlot types, or other actresses. It wasn't a grotesque carnival of excess, overall."

You've certainly made it clear you know nothing of early Hollywood. Fatty Arbuckle, Erich von Stroheim, Jack Warner, Errol Flynn.

I'd ask you to refrain from commenting in the interim while you do some research. I'm not going to list my credentials here, but the National Archives is a good place to start if you have the drive and determination to warrant more discussion with me. Thanks.

Blogger Lando February 12, 2021 1:55 PM  

@117

Yes, fair enough, I forgot about him. He was both in Angel and Firefly. He's apparently a good guy.

I can only pass judgement on what I see. To me, pushing the Satanic agenda is primarily what Hollywood is about, even to the detriment of profits. Whedon in particular floats a message that appeals to callow and/or craven youth, either in body or mind.

Many people involved in his productions are demonstrably devoid of character or morals in one way or another, and don't really seem to have any 'talent' so to speak, from the mildly creepy (Seth Green) to the gross and disgusting (Christina Hendricks in particular, Neil Patrick Harris) to the seriously ill and demented (Nicolas Brendon, Whedon himself). I wouldn't involve myself with any of these individuals, and I would not allow anyone I cared for to do so either.

Blogger Lidia17 February 12, 2021 5:20 PM  


Lando wrote:@114

Whedon is a effeminate, degenerate scum and always has been.

==
Can confirm. A woman I know dated him in college, where he routinely wore a skirt. He had to bum tuition money from rich friends because his rich screenwriter-for-TV dad couldn't be bothered to keep up with the lad's expenses. Kind of a sordid upbringing, one can imagine, as a Hollywood brat.

Blogger Bezzle February 12, 2021 9:05 PM  

@127. Lando February 12, 2021 1:40 PM
I do know that John Ford and Tom Mix were working with Wyatt Earp. I also know the story that Maureen O'Hara caught John Ford in a liplock with another man....

That claim had me querying the net, where I found this piece confirming. From there, this also jumped out:

"...(O'Hara's) third husband, aviation pioneer Charles Blair, was the love of her life, and his death in a mysterious private airplane crash was, she believes, orchestrated by the CIA....

--Now why would she get that idea into her head?

Wikipedia: "...After Big Jake, O'Hara retired from the industry. In 1972 she professed to strongly disapprove of the way Hollywood was going, "making dirty pictures", and she wanted no part of it...."

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella February 13, 2021 12:58 PM  

And the eastern edge of the Mediterranean has always been named Israel.

You're throwing East Coast book references and tipping your fedora at me?

By your metric, no one should get their first job at McDonald's: the CEO was recently ousted for sexual harassment.

Hollywood is a worldwide export oriented industry with a lot of people in it. Los Angeles is more populous than entire sections of the country. You are certainly free to keep your family out of the industry. Other families who are in the industry are allowed to call out bad behavior, or not, and then call it out later. #Metoo has been a big deal in the industry.

These are lovely, talented young people who made a show with many fans that have remained loyal fans for decades. They had to suffer at the hands of a self-important, creepy, sexually licentious jerk. I am so sorry they endured what they did, to do a job that they are, quite demonstrably, good at.

Best of all, since you are not in the casting guild, you get to have absolutely no say on the trajectory of the careers of these people.

Blogger Tommy Hass February 13, 2021 8:03 PM  

"to the gross and disgusting (Christina Hendricks in particular, Neil Patrick Harris)"

Details?

Blogger Lando February 15, 2021 10:42 AM  

@132 Bad Santa and How I Met Your Mother, for starters.

Do some digging. These things come up unbidden on travels on youtube, so the work is pretty much done for me, unfortunately. Christina Hendricks is gross and nasty.

Also I've like to correct my earlier statement, I meant Ashkenazi (not Sephardic) Court Jews system, from Germany. Sorry for that, Was doing a few things at once. I've also written 'simian' when I mean 'avian' so no wonder pencils have erasers and people like me should pay attention to one thing whilst doing it.

If you lay the business concept learned from Court Jews and apply it to Hollywood, it overlays nicely.

Blogger Lando February 15, 2021 10:48 AM  

@131

You're caught in a bubble of bewilderment that no fact or evidence to the contrary will pierce.

A gentleman allows a lady her Fictions, so carry on.

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