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Sunday, March 28, 2021

American exodus

The problem is that even many of those who understand the pressing need for an American exodus from the Imperial USA still believe the problem is one of ideology rather than demographics, as Michael Lind's article makes clear:

In the first few months of 2021, it is clear that widespread compliance with institutions and leading personages on which the American system of government has long rested is no longer possible. The oligarchy exercises all earthly powers. Its theophobia dismisses heaven’s. It substitutes “narratives” for truth. Because its members internalized the assumption that reason is simply what Hobbes called a scout for the passions, what Marx said is superstructural to material reality, and what the woke call “logism,” it has placed itself beyond the reach of argument. It can neither admit those it deems deplorable to real citizenship— never mind to society’s commanding heights—nor can it set bounds to the next round of exactions and humiliations that, having ditched persuasion, it must visit upon them.

The deplorables plainly stand no chance of dismantling the new American system. Corporate executives, not legislatures, governors, or presidents are the ones who decide what happens to the trillions of dollars created jointly by the Federal Reserve and Wall Street. They are the ones who regulate speech and attitudes, who for the most part decide who rises and who does not. And they are the part of the oligarchy most insulated from republican institutions.

America is now ruled by a single elite class rather than by local patrician smart sets competing with each other for money and power

New laws may be most useful for reviving old ones, such as the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act. But the problem lies in a century’s accretion of administrative arrangements, court rulings, and above all, of self-serving practices. Nor would it be possible for these elected officials to restore the republic that was founded in 1776-79, even if an economic recession or act of Providence were to deliver solid electoral victories in the Senate, House, and presidency to a party of the country class (were one to come into being). That is because the republic’s substance withered over a century, and its husk collapsed over the past five years.

In our time, millions of people have grown up or been educated no longer to want or be able to live as citizens of what had been the American republic. Partisans in mind, heart, and habit, their support of the oligarchy’s partisan rule has left the United States with two peoples of opposing character, aspirations, and tastes within its national borders. The government bureaucracies are led by persons selected and habituated against the deplorables. The same can be said of the educational establishment and corporate boardrooms. What sort of dictatorial power would it take to purge them? Were the deplorables to struggle for the partisan power to oppress the others, they would guarantee dysfunction at best, war at worst. That is why it makes most sense for them to assert their own freedom.

Some sort of mostly peaceful exodus is within our powers to achieve. A very bad imitation of Mr. Smith was able to convince 75 million to rise against dangers that were still largely theoretical in 2016. Better imitators can lead many more to act against present ones, and to live within institutions of their own making. We can withdraw our compliance, go our own way, and build anew.

Separation from our oligarchy requires stripping it of its claims of legitimacy. Their means of control—from making and breaking careers to control of institutional machinery—are daunting. Individuals may be penalized easily. But every bit of this power vanishes in the face of mass resistance. The oligarchy is frightened of this, with good reason. Nor can they stop an exodus by using force, sensing that they might well lose the ensuing civil war.

Conservatism, civnattery, and judeo-christianity caused the unnecessary self-implosion of the American empire and its subsequent conquest by a foreign, anti-American elite. Ideology will never provide a viable solution in a post-ideological age.

Never forget that the societies inevitably rise from the ashes of failed heterogeneous societies are homogeneous.

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Blogger FacelessBro March 28, 2021 12:54 PM  

"Conservatism, civnattery, and judeo-christianity caused the unnecessary self-implosion of the American empire and its subsequent conquest by a foreign, anti-American elite."

Somehow people still hold to this almighty trinity, even after watching the decline in real time. Amazing.

Blogger James Dixon March 28, 2021 12:59 PM  

> Separation from our oligarchy requires stripping it of its claims of legitimacy.

As I've said before. Repeal the Constitution and disband the federal government. The system has failed. Time to start anew.

> Nor can they stop an exodus by using force, sensing that they might well lose the ensuing civil war.

Untrue. The very fact that they feel they may fail will make their attempt to assert control doubly vicious.

Blogger wahr01 March 28, 2021 1:08 PM  

In related news, the Texas GOP has declared gab a portal of hate speech and voted to terminate its account there.

Conservatives conserve nothing.

Blogger Riejun March 28, 2021 1:15 PM  

I recently returned to the U.S. from a tour in Latin America. I dealt a lot with the Chinese "offensive" while there. The USG likes to talk about "whole of government" approach... while that is a joke... The Chinese definitely have a "whole of society" approach. I was dealing mainly with Chinese organized crime (which is at least influenced and cooperative with parts of the Chinese government) effort of their offensive, but I worked on the periphery of their economic effort and all of this is combined with the intelligence effort. It all builds.

As an example... first, the Chinese immigrated to the country I was assigned. Over time, this built a small base of support to operate. Then the "businessmen", criminals, and intel started operating. Chinese organized crime had the country divided into operating sectors. Human trafficking, theft, smuggling, indentured servitude, probably drugs were some of their operations. One tactic they used was to buy small "mom and pop" shops. Then use those shops to sell the stolen merchandise (food, household goods, etc...) they were using local proxies to steal from warehouses and trucks, profits fund their operations. These stores are in almost every small town/city and were used as little intel hubs...

Also, "businessmen" would attempt to sell a variety of products and services, our concern was for things like energy production/infrastructure, road networks, shipping infrastructure/support, camera (surveillance) networks, etc... Areas that it would be handy for the Chinese or sympathizers to control. They did the usual with bribes to ensure they won the bids.

"American" companies didn't want to bid on many of the projects, because it wasn't "profitable" enough. We (USG) got to the point of just trying to get anyone BUT China to bid on projects. The Chinese businesses are not solely focused on huge profits, or any profit. They go and work where the Chinese government tells them to go...

We worked hard to combat it, but that was under Trump (who got it), Pompeo, and an Ambassador that was also focused on countering the Chinese. Now... we know that isn't going to happen.

Kerry said the Monroe Doctrine was dead in 2013... well he and Obama and their handlers got their wish.

I have many other examples from overseas and in the U.S., but in summary, the Chinese are absolutely at war with the U.S. and West and are soundly defeating us.

Blogger Bettey Fontaneaux March 28, 2021 1:29 PM  

"Better imitators can lead many more to act against present ones, and to live within institutions of their own making."

This is Clownspeak. I am all ears to hear how a "better" candidate is going to round up more than 75 million people. Please, do tell. And while you are at it, tell us how we can make our own institutions in the era of Executive Order, Big Censorship, and stolen elections.

Guns or handcuffs. No third option.

Blogger eclecticmn March 28, 2021 1:40 PM  

I wonder if there will be any blow back from the overcharging of the Jan. 6 protests? Prosecutors are using denial of the election validity as a reason for holding people without bail. I don't mean mass actions. I mean individual actions. There enough sparks to set off several IMO.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/03/04/a-family-on-trial-for-january-6/


Blogger Canadian Warlord March 28, 2021 1:46 PM  

"Yet Time tells us that because the process of defeating Donald Trump’s voters angered them further, these oligarchs worry that they gained only “a respite.” Hence the united oligarchy must seek, as The New York Times’ Jamelle Bouie put it, permanent “national political dominance.”

Though that dominance seems at hand, the general population’s compliance with it is not. That is because isolating and alienating anybody, let alone half the country, is the proverbial two-edged sword. Anytime you isolate and alienate someone else, you do the same to yourself."
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The step recently taken to dehumanize half the country cannot be taken back. The endgame is already decided, that is, crushing horrible defeat for the liberal political class that thinks their only enemy is the 20% cuckservatives. They can't count, they believe the propaganda that 'nazism' is making a comeback - they are lost and chasing ghosts. The weakest and stupidest 30% of any country is not the asset that it appears when you're driving the political agenda bus and everyone you point at gets de-platformed and doxxed. Those useless twats on the base of the pyramid will not hold it up for much longer. The 50% non-aligned haven't even awoken yet. The liberals can't help themselves - they think they can poke the sleeping giant forever, just because so far there's no consequence.

Blogger DrivingDissent March 28, 2021 1:47 PM  

It will be interesting to observe the degenerate mob make arguments for why we owe them the fruits of our minds and our hands while they simultaneously arguing we are oppressors for not providing for them..

We can work in the public economy for just enough currency to pay our mortgage and basic needs and then devote ourselves to helping build out systems that are not part of Beasts..

I have been contemplating a neutral exchange system, as an expression of faith and trust in our Lord to provide in plenty in apparent desolation. A way of giving and receiving peoples uncorherced work the fruits of which abound when free from usery and slavery..

Blogger Gettimothy March 28, 2021 1:48 PM  

Hate-as-identity was key to the ruling class’s victory in the 2020 election.

They did not win, they lost massively. They resorted to blatant fraud.

Blogger Hammerli 280 March 28, 2021 1:56 PM  

"The same can be said of the educational establishment and corporate boardrooms. What sort of dictatorial power would it take to purge them?"

Sulla? Paging Mr. Sulla!

Frankly, I seriously doubt that the Left will be willing to accept a peaceful partition. So it's prudent to consider Plan B.

Blogger Hammerli 280 March 28, 2021 1:59 PM  

It's become an assumption that people vote their pocketbooks first. "It's the economy, stupid."

I do not think this is true any longer. Culture is the great fault line of our time. And has been for decades - Reagan leveraged it in 1980.

Blogger RadixMalorum March 28, 2021 1:59 PM  

FacelessBro wrote:"Conservatism, civnattery, and judeo-christianity caused the unnecessary self-implosion of the American empire and its subsequent conquest by a foreign, anti-American elite."

Somehow people still hold to this almighty trinity, even after watching the decline in real time. Amazing.


Those that are ideologically subverted won't be convinced to abandoned their ideology in almost any circumstances. This is why the subversion process started in the schools. Those people are lost. Don't even waste time trying to convince them.

Disassociate from them completely if you can, if you can't then just never talk about politics or belief systems around them. They will turn or inform on you to the amenable authorities the moment they discover you're not part of the promethean hivemind. They aren't on your side. They will be loyal to their ideology over even blood relations.

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos March 28, 2021 2:04 PM  

“Better candidates” can’t solve the fundamental problem that our enemies can always import more to their ranks, but we have to spend 18 years growing our own.

Blogger James Dixon March 28, 2021 2:13 PM  

> Frankly, I seriously doubt that the Left will be willing to accept a peaceful partition.

If they had been California would have seceded after 2016 and New York would have followed them.

> So it's prudent to consider Plan B.

You think?

Blogger boogeyman March 28, 2021 2:35 PM  

Politics is downstream of culture, but culture is downstream of demographics.

Blogger Dirtnapninja March 28, 2021 2:45 PM  

The Deplorables are a people in the process of becoming.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 28, 2021 2:52 PM  

Codevilla is the first NormieCon I have read that used the word "legitimacy" the rest of them are the usual basically useless CivNatters pitching the old complain and quibble and "why don't the liberals listen to us" nonsense.

Blogger Hates the Wicked March 28, 2021 3:01 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if the Enlightenment is studied as a prior historical period when I have grandchildren, and possibly renamed to the Jewish Age. The minute the American and French revolutions happened and aristocracy was de-legitimized is when Jews started to replace Christian bloodline rule with Jewish bloodline rule.

This era proved that no matter what kind of rhetoric used, bloodline rule has not gone anywhere. Political freedom did not end bloodline rule, it allowed a different form of it to take place, and this form was foreign, anti-Christian, and was much worse than anything Robin Hood was known to oppose.

The West's future depends on remembering the four basic spheres of influence in all societies - family, military, economic, and religious. A nation can produce all four of those without foreign "assistance."

An interesting revival of the Medieval society might be a way forward for Americans like myself. Bloodline military rule until the borders are secure and enemies sufficiently defeated.

More than a few "Flyover Country" rednecks would find the idea of Humvee and motorcycle conquest of enemy nations, with steak and mashed potatoes waiting for them at their estate when they finish kicking invaders' asses a good one.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 28, 2021 3:18 PM  

You can mess up ships- Suez. You can break planes. You can shut down airports so that no one can get in or out. You can build fences at the border. You can send planes out, full of people.

Blogger Brian D. Kennedy March 28, 2021 3:26 PM  

I suppose I shouldn't complain about Switzerland or Austria (Hungary is my back-up refuge, like Bowdoin College is for people who have some Ivy credentials, but still suck). Oh, and Brown University sucks, simply because JFK, Jr, somehow managed to get a degree there.

Blogger seven x seven March 28, 2021 3:27 PM  


Ultimately, God hasn't been with America for a very long time, which is why it's always been such a troubled nation. A constitution that sets out to remove God from the nation, it's not a good way to start is it?

So, hardly any surprise God has given you over to peoples who hate you, ruled by evil ones, and America is still lukewarm with its faith and obedience to God's laws. Sabbath anyone? Passover?

Time to get hot, or get spewed out.

Blogger Taignobias March 28, 2021 3:39 PM  

And were not destroyed for their unmitigated gall. Governments exist by the compliance of the governed, consenting or not.

Blogger MATT March 28, 2021 3:53 PM  

There is nowhere to run

Blogger MATT March 28, 2021 3:54 PM  

There is nowhere to run. Fighting is the only solution.

Blogger Bearinheart March 28, 2021 4:11 PM  

Our nation is already under the judgment of God for its wickedness. God is sovereign, knows the hearts of all and will protect and preserve his own for eternity. The rest will have their minds hardened. There is no salvation in man, none at all. Have faith.

Blogger wEz March 28, 2021 4:12 PM  

You think it's bad now, wait until the dems use HR1 and claim Jim Crow type "raaaacism" as the reason they'll find a way to get rid of the senate filibuster. It's coming, and when they do there should be war, instead republicans will probably cuck again as they stack the deck and come for our rights and beliefs.

Blogger papabear March 28, 2021 4:53 PM  

Straussians can't admit the reality of identity politics.

Blogger James Dixon March 28, 2021 5:03 PM  

> God is sovereign, knows the hearts of all and will protect and preserve his own for eternity.

To a certain extent. He will allow persecution. We've even been told that's coming. But yes, he will not allow his people to be destroyed.

Blogger LoneWolf March 28, 2021 5:34 PM  

Saving this one for the archive.

Blogger LoneWolf March 28, 2021 5:42 PM  

The term "Judeo-Christianity" has its roots in 19th century German Protestantism. It is oxymoronic, IMO:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvbkk0mv.4?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents

Blogger van helsing March 28, 2021 5:58 PM  

jews have been corrupting royal bloodlines forever. it didn't start with this article, and it hasn't ended. http://mileswmathis.com/phillip.pdf

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 7:00 PM  

Canadian Warlord:
The liberals can't help themselves - they think they can poke the sleeping giant forever, just because so far there's no consequence.

Oh thank God, another one that understands! Yes, there is no talking our way out of this war, because the "world citizens" are just like the Aesopian scorpion, acting out their nature. They're NPCs, they can't help it, you would need access to the code for their decision trees.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 March 28, 2021 7:13 PM  

VD wrote:Never forget that the societies inevitably rise from the ashes of failed heterogeneous societies are homogeneous.

No one knows if that coming society will be white or not. The homogenizing bit won't be fun for anyone.

Blogger Reader March 28, 2021 7:50 PM  

I have been planning to leave this godforsaken country but the covid shutdown has made it difficult to check out new countries. Would anyone here know about living in Greece - with no need to make a living there? I understand the economy sucks which keeps costs down, the gov is Commie, but the people seem very deep into tradition, there are churches everywhere, very few joggers from what I can see in videos, and it's just beautiful everywhere. Also, the people there don't seem to be complete masktards as those I see here - more laid back.

I am very seriously looking into moving to Greece. Any advice, insight, warnings, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Blogger Avalanche March 28, 2021 8:13 PM  

@34 "very few joggers from what I can see in videos"

Are you kidding?! Poor Greece is a MAJOR landing spot for africans crossing the Med; they're being drowned in negritude! Look CLOSER!!

Blogger Storm Rhode March 28, 2021 8:22 PM  

Liberals may seem like the keystone cops but once they get a resolve and political cover competent leaders like Trotsky, Stalin and Mao emerge. Hiding out in red counties won't save you from the reds.

Blogger M.S. March 28, 2021 8:52 PM  

It remains to be seen whether I will move to Russia but I'm holding myself to a promise that, if the tsardom is restored, I will certainly move there.

Blogger Akulkis March 28, 2021 8:57 PM  

Greece is an invasion route every bit as much as Poland. I suggest Russia.

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 9:01 PM  

Taignoblias:
And were not destroyed for their unmitigated gall. Governments exist by the compliance of the governed, consenting or not.

Not everything happens immediately. They basically just gave themselves incurable consent leukemia. Their existence is on a clock now.

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 9:12 PM  

Never forget that the societies inevitably rise from the ashes of failed heterogeneous societies are homogeneous.

Clearly dialectic. My translation:

"Nation-states are the phoenixes that rise from the embers of empires."

Blogger Gingas March 28, 2021 9:18 PM  

The Sabbath was made for the man, not the other way around. Passover? Perhaps for Christians of Hebraic ethnicity. We're not Judaizers.

Other than that, God may be punishing this country for the various sins committed and tolerated. That's why true believers must get out of the Babylon leftist cities and areas, and move to where our kind are. God will protect his Remnant.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd March 28, 2021 9:25 PM  

@reader convert to orthodoxy and be prepared to be ignored for 5 or 6 generations minimum

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 9:29 PM  

I am very seriously looking into moving to Greece. Any advice, insight, warnings, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Reader, I have three for you.

1. You cannot escape the control-freak UMC; they have effectively become a global neo-ethnicity, so that every leadership class hates its Unhyphenated, wherever you go.

2. They're not really Greeks. They're mostly Turks in a different place.

3. And finally, the pedestrian supremacy of Italy is inverted into driver supremacy. If you go from Italy to Greece, then please consciously break your jaywalking habits or you could die.

Blogger Reader March 28, 2021 9:50 PM  

Thanks for the replies, advice. I like the cold. I like Russia, but only from a distance. I do not like Russians. They are cold and crude, like their environment. No, I could not see us living among those people. Russia is best for the Russians, as it ought to be. I do not speak Russian, but that would not be a problem for me. When a friend asked if I would learn Greek, I replied that NOT knowing the native language was a bonus. After all, the less I understood what people had to say, the better I would get along with them... Indeed.

Blogger Reader March 28, 2021 10:22 PM  

Meanoldbasterd wrote:@reader convert to orthodoxy and be prepared to be ignored for 5 or 6 generations minimum

Thanks. We would have no problem converting to orthodoxy. And I think we could manage nicely, being ignored. But I have Mediterranean features. Someone mentioned that I would fit right in with the Greeks. I can hold my ouzo with the best of them and play a mean game of backgammon. As such, we may not be totally ignored.

I would not live in Athens, neither on a very remote Island. Crete seems beautiful but too far from the mainland. I was thinking somewhere off the West coast, maybe on the Ioanian Islands - off the mainland but not too far off. There is much yet to be decided.

Blogger Reader March 28, 2021 11:05 PM  

Akulkis wrote:Greece is an invasion route every bit as much as Poland. I suggest Russia.

The way I look at is that the Greeks have been fighting invaders for thousands of years. They have a tradition of fighting. Unlike the retards here in America, they know who their enemy is. Greeks have old, old traditions and customs - they will not easily be manipulated into a new world order of things. I may be completely wrong, but that's how it appears to me. And that would make life in Greece far more acceptable than living through the current implosion happening here.

Blogger Black Bird March 28, 2021 11:18 PM  

Your being kind in your examples. It’s far worse.
We are already sold out. Tic Tok.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 28, 2021 11:30 PM  

I have been planning to leave this godforsaken country but the covid shutdown has made it difficult to check out new countries.
Don't move any place you can't blend in. Can you look and talk like the locals? If no, don't go!

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 28, 2021 11:51 PM  

Trump killed civnatery like a type 97 grenade slammed against the temple. We're just waiting for the pieces to stop moving and cool down to ambient temperature.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock March 29, 2021 12:27 AM  

@11- The "economic vote" is a foundational delusion of civnats (see also "They just want a better life for their families!"), and since at least Nixon, even mentioning the culture war was racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and just plain mean, so conservatives have consoled themselves with the lie that humans are really homo economicus rather than a social creature.

Blogger The Last Roman March 29, 2021 12:44 AM  

I don't think that there are enough Americans left to save this nation. I was in a home improvement store in the middle of nowhere Goldsboro, NC and I found myself surrounded by weird, little, brown Spanish speaking people.

Blogger SirHamster March 29, 2021 1:04 AM  

Gary wrote:Passover?
Gingas wrote:Passover? Perhaps for Christians of Hebraic ethnicity. We're not Judaizers.
Trying to observe Passover in light of Easter is like trying to bring back temple sacrifice.

Are you *trying* to ignore the Way, the Truth, and the Life?

What is the Lamb whose blood spares men from the Angel of Death?

Blogger John Rockwell March 29, 2021 1:33 AM  

Ideological separation inevitably begets and is correlated with ethnic separation.

We don't want white liberals any more than we want hostile foreigners. White liberals or leftists are hostile foreigners as much as the non-whites who refuse to be symbiotic but would rather be parasitic.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 29, 2021 2:23 AM  

@Reader,
Why the hell would the Greeks want or tolerate you? What do you bring to their table? Why would you get better than a Turk when the government collapses again.
The time to go was 20 years ago.

Blogger mike March 29, 2021 2:32 AM  

Dont worry they work on AI. AI is raysist and will fix it quickly....

We are going to b sedated and service ais datacenters it will need people, smart high IQ non complaining ... think Chineese

Blogger Johnny March 29, 2021 4:37 AM  

>Never forget that the societies inevitably rise from the ashes of failed heterogeneous societies are homogeneous.

I can see that in the case of the Ottoman Empire or Russia, but what about Brazil? It's in a very poor condition, but it hasn't split up. Will we balkanize or will we brazilize?

Blogger Johnny March 29, 2021 5:08 AM  

@51. The Last Roman

Even when white people (Not counting Mestizos, Jews, and MENA as white) become a plurality in the early 2040's we'll still have more White Americans than the population of Germany, the UK, and the Netherlands combined. The 2nd largest ethnic group in America (Latinos) will be about half that size. Then there's Black people who white people will outnumber by about 3.6 to 1 and Asian people who White people will outnumber by about 4.6 to 1.

Blogger Leo Littlebook ID:16216229492837658552 March 29, 2021 8:15 AM  

I suspect the end result of the Chinese infiltration of South America will be that Aryan Americans will recognize the vulnerability and solve it in the Texan way, by valiant genocide.

No doubt some softhearted Aryan objectors will cry out on behalf of the obsolete races, and they should feel free to perish for that cause alongside their fellow race-traitor Yankee allies.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2021 8:18 AM  

SirHamster wrote:Trying to observe Passover in light of Easter is like trying to bring back temple sacrifice.
Well said.

Judaizers aren't Christians. They bring another gospel, and are accursed. See Galatians 1:8.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2021 8:19 AM  

Reader wrote:The way I look at is that the Greeks have been fighting invaders for thousands of years.
Why do you think you will not be seen as an invader?

Blogger DeepThought March 29, 2021 11:33 AM  

5 years ago, I would have cursed at anyone who had said "Serving is for idiots". I had served in the Marines and used to be proud of my service.

Now I realize we were just pawns of the corrupt elites.

Blogger Dave March 29, 2021 11:50 AM  

They say war is hell what's happening now is worse. Time to stop talking and start doing...

Blogger James Dixon March 29, 2021 1:00 PM  

> Now I realize we were just pawns of the corrupt elites.

I would have thought our involvement in Vietnam would have been enough to convince anyone long ago.

Blogger James Dixon March 29, 2021 1:01 PM  

> They say war is hell what's happening now is worse.

Yes, but it takes time for people to realize that. Give them that time. And there are still one or two peaceful options to try. I don't think they'll work, but we should try them.

Blogger CM March 29, 2021 1:20 PM  

Jesus is the Passover lamb.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2021 2:36 PM  

DeepThought wrote:5 years ago, I would have cursed at anyone who had said "Serving is for idiots". I had served in the Marines and used to be proud of my service.

Now I realize we were just pawns of the corrupt elites.

You aren't the first Marine to figure out that war is a racket.

Blogger GetButterface March 29, 2021 3:55 PM  

" Ideological separation inevitably begets and is correlated with ethnic separation. . .

We don't want white liberals any more than we want hostile foreigners."

Exactly, I've been saying this in a number of different ways. It is simply impossible for race to be any kind of category for people to form a new US. Yet the issue was never addressed by (originally by the alt right, and now by the new group whatever they call themselves)

Blogger Reader March 29, 2021 4:16 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Why do you think you will not be seen as an invader?

I wouldn't know. Never been there. If you are so curious, you can ask others here who have moved to other countries if the locals view them as invaders, starting with the blog host - unless you really are not interested in an answer but are just being a cunt.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 29, 2021 7:13 PM  

Reader wrote:unless you really are not interested in an answer but are just being a cunt.
I'm trying help you think clearly about what could go wrong. Do answer the questions, don't tell me your answers, whatever you decide I'm not going to have to live with the outcome.

Vox made it work in Italy starting two decades ago, when Italy was much less stressed by invaders than Greece is now. You won't look like an African or a mohammedan, so maybe you won't look like an invader. Or, maybe you will. Who knows? I don't, but you should try to find out.

Blogger Canadian Warlord March 29, 2021 7:23 PM  

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Blogger Storm Rhode March 29, 2021 9:13 PM  

Things are okay for many people. Free money from the government plus social security or unemployment. It's nice work if you can get it...

Blogger Reader March 29, 2021 10:40 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Who knows? I don't, but you should try to find out.

That was the plan. We were going to stay at different Airbnbs for two months, living like locals, seeing how things are there, deciding the best place to live, then move there, renting for a year, then finally buying our own place.

We've put everything on hold because of covid. And no, we would not look like invaders. I have European, Mediterranean roots, which is obvious in my physical features. Also, I speak several languages, which means I would eventually learn Greek and speak it well without much of an accent. We would not be taking their jobs nor getting any government assistance. Getting along and blending in with the locals, respecting their ways and customs - not rocket science.

Blogger SirHamster March 29, 2021 11:55 PM  

Reader wrote:Ominous Cowherd wrote:Why do you think you will not be seen as an invader?

I wouldn't know. Never been there.


> haven't been there
> not familiar with local culture

That doesn't bode well. Not that you can't make it work.

But you might have better chances in the land you grew up, in around the people you have some existing connections with.

Blogger Unknown March 30, 2021 12:17 AM  

@35 @34

Depends on what part of Greece you're talking about.

Methinks Lesbos, the part bordering Turkey, and the Southernmost regions are bad ideas. Don't know about the rest. Could be as good as Italy.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 30, 2021 12:49 PM  

Reader wrote:That was the plan. We were going to stay at different Airbnbs for two months, living like locals, seeing how things are there, deciding the best place to live, then move there, renting for a year, then finally buying our own place.

...Also, I speak several languages, which means I would eventually learn Greek and speak it well without much of an accent.

That all sounds like a reasonable approach. I hope it works out well; it might.

Blogger Reader March 30, 2021 3:09 PM  

Thanks for the input. BUT, if Avalanche is indeed correct, and the place has a significant, permanent jogger population, that would be an absolute deal breaker. From the many recent youtube videos we've viewed, there is not a jogger in sight. We will have to see for ourselves when we visit.

Affordable cost of living is our #1 requirement, demographics is a very close #2. This is a very small world in which to find a suitable refuge for the white middle class. One way or another, we are leaving this country. Demographics have destroyed everything that was ever good about America. And there is nothing that can or will be done about it.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 31, 2021 1:03 AM  

Why are Texans volunteered to solve every failed states' problems in this hemisphere? It's not like capital punishment is a secret technique for solving the crime problem.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 31, 2021 8:56 AM  

I was in a home improvement store in the middle of nowhere Goldsboro, NC

A county seat 50 miles from the state capital, with an Air Force base and a population of 36,000, is not "in the middle of nowhere." If you're looking for real Americans, keep driving in the opposite direction of the concentration of fake ones.

Blogger Valley Forge Patriot March 31, 2021 10:31 AM  

@76 International Living is a magazine for people wanting to move out of their home country (mainly US and Canadians). Their section on Greece (https://internationalliving.com/countries/greece/) may be of some help.

Blogger Reader March 31, 2021 3:19 PM  

Valley Forge Patriot wrote:Their section on Greece (https://internationalliving.com/countries/greece/) may be of some help.

Thanks. I've seen that already. Makes Greece look pretty good, doesn't it? The only question that remains is the demographics...

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