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Saturday, March 27, 2021

White America begins to secede

It's currently being described as "outstate vs metro", "country vs city" and "rural vs urban", but that's all just a euphemistic way of describing the obvious. Jews didn't want to be ruled by Romans. Africans and Indians didn't want to be ruled by the British. So, it shouldn't be a surprise that Americans and other whites of European descent aren't exactly enthusiastic about being ruled by the POX.

A Republican Minnesota state representative is introducing legislation that would create a pathway for Minnesota counties to secede from the state and join the South Dakota.

Rep. Jeremy Munson (R-Crystal Lake) introduced the bill Thursday and tweeted out an image of his vision, which depicted nearly every county west of the Twin Cities metro as part of a newly imagined South Dakota. 

"Minnesota becomes more politically polarized every year and the metro politicians have shown us that rural Minnesotans are no longer represented by St Paul. It's time to leave," read a webpage on Munson's campaign website.

The idea echoes a similar push among rural Oregon counties to join Idaho.

Republican South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem appeared to be in support of Munson's idea, by retweeting his plan.

It's an excellent idea, and every Minnesotan on either side of the divide should embrace it. But this is just a minor precursor of the eventual breakup, which probably will not be entirely peaceful and political in nature. 

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171 Comments:

Blogger Arcane Rhino March 27, 2021 1:12 PM  

Queue the, "but dat's racis" from the few that are actually intelligent enough to envision the results for the area left behind and want to stop it.

Blogger Bill Chunko March 27, 2021 1:14 PM  

Weld County in Northeastern Colorado wants to succeed and join Wyoming. And for the same reasons. The liberal legislature and homo governor don't understand the working people of Weld County, take their taxes, and return very little to them.

Blogger Frosty the Bear March 27, 2021 1:19 PM  

Wall off the cities, including DC, and let them die.

Blogger Swamp Fox March 27, 2021 1:23 PM  

Let’s the games begin.

Blogger Pytor March 27, 2021 1:28 PM  

This bothers me so much. Why is everyone hyping the breakup of USA? Q keeps saying "united we are strong" A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies. I get that things are bad right now, but breaking apart the republic would be a win for the anglo-zionist bankers. The next decade I hope will be historically known as "The Trumpian Restoration" or some such.

Blogger Jehu March 27, 2021 1:28 PM  

Pretty much every state, except Nebraska I believe, used to have their senate determined geographically, by county, rather than by population. Just like the US as a whole in fact. But the SC decided that this arrangement was unconstitutional back in the 60s, in one of the worst decisions ever. The reason is that this prevented urban and rural interests from running roughshod over each other, because the rural counties would basically retain a veto---in honestly just about every state.
Because of the way that humans are wired, consistently screwing over a group tends to make the Who's hate the Whom's (which is perverse, the Whom's hating the who's is natural, because after all, they're the one's screwing you). The founding fathers were pretty smart in the arrangement of the Senate and the states copied that at their level.
Because that safety valve was removed, you see tons of counties (Oregon comes to mind), that seriously want to secede. Once again demonstrating the perverse nature of the human heart, people are overwhelmingly opposed to allowing said secessions.

Blogger JayD March 27, 2021 1:30 PM  

Come on Fox9. There is a town called Lake Crystal in Minnesota, but the only Crystal Lakes are lakes.

I kind of like this idea, but I'm not enthusiastic about being ruled by a bunch of liberals from Pierre and Sioux Falls.

Blogger Brett baker March 27, 2021 1:31 PM  

This will be supported....until one side of the divide realizes/finds out you can't rely on finance to support everything.

Blogger Independent Baptist March 27, 2021 1:35 PM  

I'm stuck in blue Washington County but I endorse this plan. According to our Governor outstate MN is all just "rocks and cows" anyway.

Blogger Homesteader March 27, 2021 1:35 PM  

In my area, I hope to live to see the State Of Jefferson, and perhaps assist in its birth.

I take comfort in the fact that the United States of America are in fact an empire; and, like any empire long united, they must eventually divide again.

As for that division being peaceful- that isn't for any of us to decide. Historical forces are indifferent to the nations and people they act upon.

Blogger Dan in Georgia March 27, 2021 1:41 PM  

You could sell it to the dems by pointing out that it would cement their seats (especially the Senate and state-wide offices) and make the state a lock for the dems in presidential elections. Also, the parts of the states leaving have smaller populations and wouldn't take many electoral votes with them. Seems inevitable to me.

Blogger Tallawampus March 27, 2021 1:42 PM  

I don't think that those Scandinavian farmers in Minnesota will be any kind of benefit to South Dakota. We already consider the West River and East River sides of the state as very different entities. West of the Missouri River is ranches and independent cowboy culture. East River is farms and our biggest city. It's more liberal politically.

But if we split the state into West and East Dakota...

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 27, 2021 1:43 PM  

There's been talk in my rural Illinois County of applying for annexation by Missouri. It's been tongue-in-cheek so far, but the resentment toward Chicago rule that has always simmered is heating up.

Blogger bw March 27, 2021 1:45 PM  

"rural vs urban"

The largest, most important division that exists, as I've come to see it, with all that it entails.
ALL...and it's alot

(R-Crystal Lake)

from long ago 'round here

the eventual breakup

This is how they've operated and what they've done for 200 years. Why wouldn't one think this is the plan?

Blogger RobertDWood March 27, 2021 1:47 PM  

Does california begin to run to Nevada?
How long before large counties simply declare their own statehood? Examples, Dallas and Harris (Houston) in texas could be fed up enough with being part of the red state they declare their own statehood.

Rhode island isn't even the smallest state and it's population is 1.1 million. Dallas and Harris are both slightly more then that.

It would have national advantages as well. Suddenly 2 additional senators from each blue city petitioning statehood.

I, for one, welcome the coming balkanization, may it be more peaceful then any dare imagine.

Blogger Student in Blue March 27, 2021 1:53 PM  

What's fascinating is that in the past, the language was either "man it would be crazy if this happened" or it was "we really ought to do this!"

"It's time to leave" is way more final, nail-in-the-coffin. This might actually spiral into something rather than being political talk.

Blogger Crew March 27, 2021 1:55 PM  

Whoa. Winters in SD are pretty bad, but if I have to move there maybe it is the right thing to do!

Blogger Andrew Ho March 27, 2021 2:01 PM  

Will Texas be the first state to step up and start the dismantling process of the US empire?

Blogger FUBARwest March 27, 2021 2:13 PM  

What will be the rationale to prevent this?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 27, 2021 2:15 PM  

To South Dakota? A vastly superior choice, well played for them.

Here's hoping this sort of balkanization goes through, it'd be an excellent start toward a smooth breakup. If these sorts of solutions are blocked, though, that's when the real fireworks are going to start.

Blogger K. March 27, 2021 2:16 PM  

Are you planning a longer essay or book about the predicted 2033 break-up? Watching this slowly unfold is fascinating.

Blogger CoffeeGroundsBear March 27, 2021 2:20 PM  

I think I am going to refer to the entire Balkanization concept as “An Inconvenient Truth” from now on.

Blogger Gingas March 27, 2021 2:24 PM  

And then Northen California, and Eastern Washington and Oregon join Idaho to form a new state. There's actually a movement to make something similar to that happen. There's also a movement to have Weld County in Colorado join Wyoming. The cracks are starting to appear.

Any Texas Dread Ilk got any ideas on what to do with the liberal cities before they Californicate the entire state?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 27, 2021 2:33 PM  

Let the metro areas be separate and self governing,like Singapore and Malaysia. That might be stable, if the metro areas each had an effective dictator like Singapore's.

Blogger Doom March 27, 2021 2:37 PM  

That is why the feds are shoving groids and muzzies in every white enclave available. Living in a "red" state means nothing, governors are all pozzed, as are most legislators. Won't lift a finger to stop it, will actually hide the facts and put down any resistance using any means necessary.

Don't think living in the boonies will save you. Or, if you are rich enough, living out on your own. I see these mini-survival complexes going up and know they will be hard targeted. A lot of those living there came from Cali, or NYC, and are hoping isolation will work.

Look to the borders. Just how many animal level seeming humans are on the other side. And, how hard is it for them to get in. Especially when Biden will fly them in and dump them just about anywhere?

Blogger Bettey Fontaneaux March 27, 2021 2:41 PM  

The Carolinas aren't there yet, but SC stayed mostly open with no I'll effects, and NC had among the harshest restrictions so far. Expect it there soon.

Blogger Nate March 27, 2021 2:46 PM  

yep.. much of rural western Virginia would love nothing more than to secede and join West Virginia. Something we should all be for.

Blogger boogeyman March 27, 2021 2:55 PM  

Years and years ago, when Art Bell was starting to take off, he had a guest on who talked about a dude named John Titor. Supposedly Titor came from a near future, one where America had undergone a strange sort of civil war.

When asked who the two sides were and were the front lines of the war were, the guest said that it hadn't been a civil war like we are used to thinking of it. It hadn't been north vs south, east vs west. It had been a break up along ideological lines more than geographical ones. He said it had mostly been the cities against those outside the metropolitan areas. There had been few large battles, no generals. Cities burned, massive numbers of people starved, a dirty bomb or two went off, and riots were common place. There was no longer a feeling that we were all Americans, and so the people that survived turned to their immediate neighbors, and smaller, very local, largely self ruling political entities emerged to take over. The government had been shown to be totally unable to handle it, and so had crumbled and broken up as the country did.

I remember thinking at the time that none of what he said made sense. How could there be a civil war of the cities against those outside the cities? What the hell would they fight over? It seemed more unlikely than any UFO or bigfoot story. Now? Now that guy seems like a damned oracle sent by the gods.

Blogger Ahuehuete March 27, 2021 2:59 PM  

The eastern half of Colorado wants to breakaway and form its own state.

Blogger sean March 27, 2021 3:01 PM  

Why is it that no one discusses the obvious remedy to this Worrel versus urban divide in the states? And that is to set up an electoral college system like that of the federal level so that the smaller rural counties get the same say as the urban counties. Our political landscape would look vastly different if we just had those protections at the state level as well rather than direct democracy by majority. This is an obvious easy fix or am I missing something?

Blogger Dan in Georgia March 27, 2021 3:04 PM  

The best way to overturn a bad law is through aggressive enforcement. The tighter the state squeezes the red counties, the more the pressure to leave, and the more the blue parts will want them too, especially if it helps them solidify power. Win-win.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton March 27, 2021 3:08 PM  

If one cannot secede geographically, one can always secede in spirit.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 27, 2021 3:17 PM  

Yep, yep, yep. They don't want to live under our rule, and we would not survive living under theirs. They hate us, and we're exhausted of dealing with them. We must separate.

Blogger Randomatos March 27, 2021 3:19 PM  

The process of forming new states needs to accelerate to accomodate American flight from the anti-American cities. The only other option is eventual war.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer March 27, 2021 3:21 PM  

If Greater Idaho happens, Boise will be the Brussels of the Rocky Mountain Spine. And Coos Bay will be one of our Port Cities. Cool.

Blogger Thomas Bateman March 27, 2021 3:23 PM  

Appalachia would be better for it. Or to start their own state. They are a unique nation all their own

Blogger Peter March 27, 2021 3:27 PM  

They don't intend to give us reservations.

Blogger Mr. B.A.D. March 27, 2021 3:28 PM  

Pa would love to give Philadelphia to NJ

Blogger Solon March 27, 2021 3:38 PM  

Man it would be WILD if the US just became a bunch of literal city-states surrounded by one huge "rural state."

Not that it would ever really get that far. One or the other would violently take over their opposite. The rural areas are already starting to realize that they don't need the cities, the city's only products being crime, corruption, and foreigners.

Blogger Azimus March 27, 2021 3:48 PM  

It needs to come with some pretty serious residency laws.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 27, 2021 3:57 PM  

The leftist will to power will not let us go until holding onto us it like trying to hold the wrong end of a running chainsaw.
So voting harder, ad campaigns, and other shit that only works for the left and its pets should be off the table.
Nice expensive disobedience would work wonders, the kind that takes advantage of "evil flee where none pursue".

Blogger Pseudotsuga March 27, 2021 3:58 PM  

I look forward to the rebirth of the State of Jefferson, where the Northern third of California and the Southern third of Oregon come together to throw off the rule of Sacramento and Salem, respectively.
As long as they can keep the hipster havens of Ashland, Oregon and the Arcata area of California in check...

Blogger Soap and Ham March 27, 2021 4:12 PM  

Power keeps travelling up and centralizing until you finally have a Magna Carta size event. There were natural limits on power before but technology has rendered them moot.

Blogger Heath Duane Whitaker March 27, 2021 4:12 PM  

The new motto of secede or die would be very ironic

Blogger Gon Freecs March 27, 2021 4:12 PM  

Secede to Succeed

Blogger bw March 27, 2021 4:18 PM  

rural western Virginia would love nothing more than to secede and join West Virginia

So they were right in '61

Blogger Adam R March 27, 2021 4:21 PM  

POX?

Blogger Dave Bagwill March 27, 2021 4:36 PM  

What is POX?

Blogger Weak March 27, 2021 4:38 PM  

I recall that a Russian projection of the breakup of the united states was basically this. One big rural country and a confederation of affiliated city-states.

Blogger SciVo March 27, 2021 4:38 PM  

The idea echoes a similar push among rural Oregon counties to join Idaho.

This understates the case. The eastern two-thirds of Washington and Oregon -- their land east of the Cascade Mountains -- have vastly more in common with Idaho than with their respective state governments.

Blogger Jeff March 27, 2021 4:39 PM  

Article IV Section III: “new States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

Unless both Minnesota and South Dakota agree, along with Congress, this won't happen. Same for all the other proposed splits that never go anywhere.
Frankly it's not entirely clear something like this could get majority support in the counties he wants to leave, much less the state as a whole.

Blogger WestByGod Bear March 27, 2021 4:44 PM  

West Virginia has a diabetic wolf in sheeps clothing as the governor who is promoting "diversity" and wants more DC-ites to move into our state. Rural Virginians would be a blessing

Blogger JR March 27, 2021 4:46 PM  

I’m in north east wa state. We would love to join Idaho.

Blogger Hightecrebel March 27, 2021 4:59 PM  

Pretty much all of Maine north of Freeport feels the same (excluding Bangor)

Blogger Pete March 27, 2021 5:00 PM  

The split will most certainly not be peaceful. The globopedotyrants will not let their intended slaves go, otherwise who would provide the elitists with all their luxuries and sacrifice victims?

Blogger VD March 27, 2021 5:06 PM  

This bothers me so much. Why is everyone hyping the breakup of USA? Q keeps saying "united we are strong" A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies.

Don't be stupid. External enemies are not the problem. Internal enemies are.

Blogger Pathfinderlight March 27, 2021 5:09 PM  

The failure of Virginia counties to follow through on their threat to join West Virginia during the Trump term have globalists the green light to push harder. They need to start feeling consequences. Once they do, they'll try to brand is as racist terrorists, sending their wind up toys after us. Then the war starts.

Blogger B March 27, 2021 5:18 PM  

@51 Jeff throws water on the secession proposal. Frankly, cities need the White Cash Cow to pay taxes so that parasitic non-European city-dwellers can get their city welfare, food stamps, section 8 housing, free emergency shelter, free food bank food, free medical care, etc., etc. They will not let that cash cow --the White taxpayer -- leave for better pastures.

Blogger Unknown March 27, 2021 5:24 PM  

This probably means the Biden administration will exponentially increase the importation of 'refugees' to Minnesota. It is time for White people to employ lawfare against the federal and state govts implementing these policies.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 27, 2021 5:26 PM  

Q keeps saying "united we are strong"

We're not united, except possibly in consumerism, which only makes the globalist establishment strong, not America. We weren't even united enough to keep a conspiracy of Fake Americans from stealing the highest office in the country. The states aren't united, urban and rural aren't united, white and black and yellow and brown aren't united. And we're not going to be. Peak unity passed 60-70 years ago.

A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies.

What do other nations do about that? How do France, Peru, and Thailand survive without massive empires to protect them? The size and power that you want to cling to in order to protect you are the *reason* our external enemies want to knock us down a few pegs. If the US broke up into a dozen or so relatively homogeneous nations, each of them would be more self-directed. If they formed a confederacy for mutual self-defense, it wouldn't be imperialistic, so it could actually focus on defense instead of meddling everywhere else.

We probably won't get to that, because too many will refuse to allow a peaceful breakup along natural lines. But that's what should happen.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 27, 2021 5:26 PM  

A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies.
This has been an argument for a long time.
I've seen it used to justify Yankee actions during the War of Northern Aggression.
It was a stupid argument then. It's a stupid argument now.

Blogger mushroom March 27, 2021 5:28 PM  

Illinois is a great state outside of Chicago. Even Springfield is full of good people.

Blogger American Spartan March 27, 2021 5:29 PM  

Explain how it would benefit them? Show your work?

Blogger Unknownsailor March 27, 2021 5:30 PM  

Crew wrote:Whoa. Winters in SD are pretty bad, but if I have to move there maybe it is the right thing to do!
My aim is to move to North Dakota this year. I have lived most of my life behind enemy lines, so to speak, in California and Washington. I no longer wish to be ruled by woke cultists, so I am going to move among my own kind, both politically and nationally.

Blogger American Spartan March 27, 2021 5:36 PM  

..yeah if we were the ones in charge of it and the government, we are not, that is like saying the best way to be free is to disarm yourself.

Blogger Damelon Brinn March 27, 2021 5:40 PM  

And that is to set up an electoral college system like that of the federal level so that the smaller rural counties get the same say as the urban counties.

That's a great idea. How do we implement it in city-controlled states, when they will know that it will shift the power away from the cities? Especially now that they know they can manipulate any election when the votes come in to the capitol for counting, without fear of penalty.

It should have been set up that way from the start, but there's no getting there from here without breaking up the whole system and starting over.

Blogger Stryker4570 March 27, 2021 5:41 PM  

Jeff @51 Exactly. These 'secession efforts' a fantasy. No liberal or faux conservative is going to vote to let people out from under their control and authority. It calls for a passive aggressive approach or more of a de facto quiet secession where parts of a state realign business and other interests away from Liberal centers of their state and align with and strengthen ties with jurisdictions that more closely reflect their values and priorities. States like Idaho or South Dakota could go as far as extending residency to counties in adjacent states that no longer wish to be controlled by the liberal power. Farmers and manufacturers could re route their goods away from places like Seattle to places in Idaho. It won't work for everything, especially goods exported via shipping, but it's a start.

Blogger Dan Karelian March 27, 2021 5:50 PM  

This is all well and good, except for the lack of border control. Without border control it's still cuckservative white flight.

Baby steps I suppose.

Blogger A.D. March 27, 2021 5:58 PM  

Northern VA is getting out of control. Rap blaring ftom cars. Black Olives Matter and pride flags. The only Whites are fat and <4 chicks, and Mo's, all living in high-rises. With, of course, their tiny dogs.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 27, 2021 5:59 PM  

"the obvious remedy to this Worrel versus urban divide in the states? And that is to set up an electoral college system"

Ha, no. That's how it originally was. It was dismantled SO THAT the cities could run rampant. Those same cities will never allow a take back, so the only peaceful (for now) solution is to ditch the cities.

"Article IV Section III:"

Dead paper is dead. Let them try to enforce a law that clearly has no more reason.

"A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies."

That's always the first excuse, but this "unity" is pumping shit down our throats, soon literally. This "unity" is far worse than divorce.

Blogger Paradise Lost March 27, 2021 6:11 PM  

My state once populated by pioneers from Maryland and PA have been replaced by migrants from Kentucky and West Virginia who changed the culture of course. We probably won't be seeing any move to join States across the Ohio soon.
There was talk of parts of Virginia joining West Virginia and a new state of Jefferson was mentioned made from California an Oregon.
As the cities continue to swell with what could be another 42 million from South of the border, expect more talk about splitting

Blogger Chris Mallory March 27, 2021 6:23 PM  

Thomas Bateman wrote:Appalachia would be better for it. Or to start their own state. They are a unique nation all their own



The area between the Ohio and Tennessee River Valleys is fairly mono-culture. Kentucky, most of Tennessee, W. VA, the far southern areas of Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. You could probably throw in parts of northern Alabama and Georgia. The part of the country were most of us still call ourselves American instead of some hyphenated bastardization. Some would add in parts of Northern Louisiana and Eastern Texas. The area would be natural allies with the Deep South and Texas.

Blogger Bezzle March 27, 2021 6:27 PM  

@Bill Chunko March 27, 2021 1:14 PM
Weld County in Northeastern Colorado wants to succeed and join Wyoming. And for the same reasons.

--It's Balkanization, and it'll never end. America will end like various Asian carving off more and more bits of themselves to satisfy the never-satisfied demands of Islam.

Blogger Brute_swayne March 27, 2021 6:29 PM  

I support West South Dakota. The other sounds like a chipotle menu item.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 27, 2021 6:39 PM  

VD wrote:This bothers me so much. Why is everyone hyping the breakup of USA? Q keeps saying "united we are strong" A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies.

Don't be stupid. External enemies are not the problem. Internal enemies are.


Technically, the Internal enemies are coming from the external. They were never Americans to begin with.

Blogger MJ March 27, 2021 6:40 PM  

There are also proposals for counties in western Virginia and Maryland to join West Virginia. It's only a matter of time before this starts happening everywhere.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 March 27, 2021 6:42 PM  

This is why a two-house legislature needs to have one house be the popular representation and the other house needs to be the regional representation. For example, a State should have a House of Delegates where 1 delegate represents 5000 people and a State Senate where each Senator comes from a county. That way, you'll have a whole house where a large city will have equal footing with a more rural county.

Just something to keep in mind when we all have to rebuild our government.

Blogger Bigger Bunyip March 27, 2021 6:51 PM  

Agree. The rural (white and hispanic) folks don't want to be ruled by the city dwellers. However the urbanites typically disrespect rural types but they are all about ruling rural areas and educating those backward folks in the correct ways of living. Why would they agree? They can suck them dry and dominate them in elections.

Blogger map March 27, 2021 6:56 PM  

sean wrote:Why is it that no one discusses the obvious remedy to this Worrel versus urban divide in the states? And that is to set up an electoral college system like that of the federal level so that the smaller rural counties get the same say as the urban counties. Our political landscape would look vastly different if we just had those protections at the state level as well rather than direct democracy by majority. This is an obvious easy fix or am I missing something?

The Courts shut that down. That used to be how the state systems were set up.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock March 27, 2021 6:59 PM  

Q keeps saying "united we are strong"

Maybe try asking yourself "Who is the 'we' being referred to here?"


I recall that a Russian projection of the breakup of the united states was basically this. One big rural country and a confederation of affiliated city-states.

What we're looking at it something like Middle Ages-Renaissance Italy, with a profusion of small states, a state of affairs in which low-intensity warfare was endemic. Sure, our technology is way better, but their economic and logistical systems were more way more robust, at least for such a fractured polity.

Blogger Doktor Jeep March 27, 2021 6:59 PM  

"A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies."

Have you not paid attention?

Blogger Darren March 27, 2021 7:03 PM  

2020-2021 = early testing of the water for inevitable balkanization of USA.

Aight cmon man let's gone on with it...

Blogger Anon March 27, 2021 7:04 PM  

Exactly how would we be more vulnerable than we currently are with a literal Chinese puppet at the helm (or atleast supposedly so)? Unless the spirit of George Washington inhabits some Southern Senator and he starts pulling moves that make the Rubicon crossing look like a backwoods stream jump this breakup’s inevitable.
I don’t know exactly what these elites get out of accelerating the demise, though. That’s what makes me lean towards patriots having some control, even if the actions of Trump and co. otherwise don’t imply it.

Blogger Darren March 27, 2021 7:06 PM  

@Pytor Seriously? Loosen your bowtie.
Being forced against your will to be "united" with those who openly hate you and conspire to exterminate you and yours and end your way of life while demanding you celebrate it = not united at all, but rather under violent occupation of INTERNAL enemies. Or worse.

You might want to get tested for Battered Wife Syndrome.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 27, 2021 7:16 PM  

Something has to give, and eventually Congress and MN will be told to go fuck themselves.

Blogger Canadian Warlord March 27, 2021 7:18 PM  

This all sounds great but there's turds baked into the cake: debt. The blue states are full of it, and when they shrink their available population to just the payees and no more payers, sparks will fly. They will try and re-draw borders to gather income so they can buy more debt for their dumb-as-dirt voters. Governments are psychopathic entities and when their survival is threatened, look out.

Blogger Avalanche March 27, 2021 7:24 PM  

@51 "it's not entirely clear something like this could get majority support in the counties he wants to leave, much less the state as a whole."

So, give up and die? Seems to me we did an okay -- if ill-directed -- case of "majority support" on Jan 6th. Suddenly ALL of Congress was paying close attention to "us" and what we wanted and intended.

You may need to expand your thinking beyond, "they won't GIVE it to us."

Blogger SciVo March 27, 2021 7:29 PM  

Jeff:
Unless both Minnesota and South Dakota agree, along with Congress, this won't happen.

Do you understand your own quote? It's irrelevant. This discussion is not about forming or erecting a new State.

Blogger Avalanche March 27, 2021 7:37 PM  

[q] "Q keeps saying "united we are strong" [/q]

And wasn't that the 'version of Q' who kept pushing "racial harmony" {gag} on his/their MOSTLY White middle class readers?

We had some good solid, um ... hints and possibilities coming out of Q, and then a devolution into "we are the world, kumbaya; remember, everybody to hold hands." My impression was that disinformation did NOT get a particularly positive result, and thankfully slipped into the past.

So damned many of "our" people keep suggesting to the public ideas and plans that could and would ONLY EVER appeal to or be do-able by non-brainwashed White people!
Well, non-brainwashed by our current (((enemies))). To be a staunch producer of "can't we all just get along?", it seems, you must be deeply brainwashed into THAT false hope!

This is the HUGE flaw in, e.g., idiot libertarians or churchians: they talk and believe that "if only" they could get the reins of power and set up their libertarian or Christian-without-Christ utopia, then blacks will STOP being violent parasites, and mexicans will STOP thinking sex with 12-yr-olds is culturally acceptable and smuggling drugs and children/people is a good job, and indians will stop being entirely nepotistic and 'doing' White workers out of their jobs, and and and...

There is no such thing as "united multiculturalism." Are you new here? Zhou Bi-den keeps parroting he wants unity, but like all his sort, their 'unity' is us all DEAD!

Blogger Sean Carnegie March 27, 2021 7:37 PM  

And then Northen California, and Eastern Washington and Oregon join Idaho to form a new state.

Cascadia. If only we can get Alberta and BC in there.

Problem is the cities. Idaho without Boise, Oregon without Portland, Corvallis and Eugene, etc. are great.

Blogger awildgoose March 27, 2021 7:40 PM  

Pytor-

I had the same worries, but then I read a book about the Winter War between the USSR and the heavily outnumbered Finns.

Yes, the Finns had Mannerheim, but a red state nation would do just fine militarily. Bear in mind most nuclear ICBMs and bombs are currently sited in red states.

Blogger WillBound March 27, 2021 7:44 PM  

What is POX?

Plural of POC (People of color)

Blogger Tanjil Bren March 27, 2021 7:47 PM  

"External enemies are not the problem. Internal enemies are."

It still vaguely astonishes me that people have trouble recognizing this even now.

Blogger basementhomebrewer March 27, 2021 7:57 PM  

It's inevitable. The more you fight it the more painful its going to be when it happens. The demographics have been ruined beyond repair or reconciliation.

Blogger Josh Brown March 27, 2021 7:58 PM  

Yes altho Bend OR could be a complicating factor. Very leftist liberal isn't it.

Blogger Bill Chunko March 27, 2021 7:59 PM  

#28 Boogeyman, Oh man! I can remember being up late at night driving somewhere and finding "AM Coast to Coast with Art Bell" What a hoot!

Blogger P Glenrothes March 27, 2021 8:12 PM  

What if Spokane wants to become part of Idaho? Then the capital of Washington would be in Idaho. Ah ha ha ha

Blogger Nostromo March 27, 2021 8:36 PM  

You will learn that access to white people is indeed a right for POX.

Blogger phil g March 27, 2021 8:46 PM  

I live 1 hr from Fargo ND and 3.5 hrs from Minneapolis/St Paul. This part of the country has way more in common with ND or SD than the increasingly insane people in the cities. Would vote to leave MN in a heart beat.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 27, 2021 8:47 PM  

Jeff wrote:Article IV Section III
Do you really think the constitution matters? How quaint.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 27, 2021 8:50 PM  

Pytor wrote:Q keeps saying "united we are strong"
Do you think that means we need to unite with our enemies, then? I think Q wanted us to unite against them. We absolutely MUST separate ourselves from our enemies if we want strength.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 27, 2021 8:52 PM  

B wrote:They will not let that cash cow --the White taxpayer -- leave for better pastures.
If they want to live, they will have to learn to do it without us, because we surely cannot live with them.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 27, 2021 9:04 PM  

Avalanche wrote:You may need to expand your thinking beyond, "they won't GIVE it to us."
They will give us everything we force them to give us, but only that. It will all come down to force, whatever we do. There's going to be a war, let's win.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 27, 2021 9:06 PM  

Balkanization is the only pathway that does not leave 100-200 million dead.

Blogger The Propaganda Resort March 27, 2021 9:22 PM  

The stage is set for inevitable dissolution. I went to a Wal-Mart today and thought I was in a different country.

Blogger KingKrawFish March 27, 2021 9:23 PM  

When the USSR collapsed/split, there was one very dominant State (Russia) which exerted some control over nukes, military hardware, etc., but essentially allowed a peaceful breakup.

One wonders how hard the Feds would fight to maintain the forced-Union, same w/the State Capitols fighting to maintain forced-unity among the counties, etc? What kind of intrusions into the situation would occur on the part of foreign-powers?

The idea of an actual breakup, though maybe inevitable, is still mind-boggling. Then again, seeing how rotten the empire has become & how increasingly dis-functional its becoming, who the hell knows what things look like in 10 years.

The USA has been the military arm of the Global Govt. for over 100 years--meddling & wrecking nations all over the planet...God-knows there are LOTS of people who probably want some payback.

Blogger KingKrawFish March 27, 2021 9:28 PM  

States which have made moves to issue their own currency (Texas Gold Depository & places like Nevada, Utah, and New Hampshire who have legalized Goldbacks) would likely be better positioned to transition independence.

Blogger Billy March 27, 2021 9:38 PM  

Hope you address this on a Darkstream

Blogger SciVo March 27, 2021 9:39 PM  

Our political landscape would look vastly different if we just had those protections at the state level as well rather than direct democracy by majority. This is an obvious easy fix or am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing the part where the SCOTUS got so clownish that it literally ruled our Constitutional system unconstitutional. And they were careful enough to not try to apply it to the Feds, but they used a sketchy and tendentious interpretation of 14A to forcibly impose a population-proportional senate on all of the States.

Please ask if any part of that does not make sense to you.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 27, 2021 9:39 PM  

There's going to have to be some sort of breakup. Because, wow, the rest of the world is......asking things like " Why is the royal family upset about Markel? Henry the 8th married Ann Boleyn, and she was black." They really believe this.

Or, let's see, the ones saying Jill Biden is prettier than Melania. And Michelle Obama is prettier than Melania. Or how will Melania cope with Donald Trump in jail.

Then you've got the black pols leaving out the bits about Obama in line to inherit an Indonesian fortune, and related to some guy running an African country with huge mining interests (huge resource interests in the hands of the highly corrupt state).

That leaves out China, entirely. They've got their Bidens, right now, though.

We need separation.

Blogger Black Bird March 27, 2021 9:41 PM  

I just watched three episodes of FBI. Everyone was Anti American. All about if your white you caused it.
Anti police because all cops are responsible for all the problems in this world. Every show is this way.
I just wish a big city police department would say folks we are taking the weekend off.
All I keep doing is giving my tv the Big middle finger and then turn the channel
I’m sick of it all.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd March 27, 2021 9:58 PM  

@pytor. Stfu

Blogger Keith March 27, 2021 9:59 PM  

The capital of Washington is Olympia, on the opposite side of the state as Spokane

Blogger Beto March 27, 2021 10:04 PM  

If we secede than who will the left harass and harangue?

Blogger liberranter March 27, 2021 10:36 PM  

@51 Jeff:

Article IV Section III: “...

Do you seriously believe that appealing to a document that the reigning oligarchs ignore except for when it benefits them is a justification for the status quo?

It's really time to say "fuck the Constitution." It's dead letter to the enemy, and we would be foolish to bind ourselves to it and thus cripple ourselves.
Their use of armed violence to prevent secession is certainly a real possibility, if not a probability. But for us to appeal to the Constitution at this point is akin to pouring cement into our gun barrels before going into battle.

Blogger Darren March 27, 2021 10:43 PM  

@Dave Bagwill POC = Person Of Xolor (think Latinx)

Blogger FacelessBro March 27, 2021 10:45 PM  

"The rural (white and hispanic) folks don't want to be ruled by the city dwellers"

I don't think the people that want to leave minnesota are doing so just to trade one set of brown people for another. "Urban vs rural" is just another name for "white vs brown".

Blogger liberranter March 27, 2021 10:55 PM  

@92 WillBound:

What is POX?

Plural of POC (People of color)


I wonder if that wouldn't be better as "Creatures of Color" (COC, plural COX).

Blogger Bezzle March 27, 2021 10:55 PM  

@83. Anon March 27, 2021 7:04 PM
Exactly how would we be more vulnerable than we currently are with a literal Chinese puppet

It'd be hilarious if they went through all that trouble to steal an election while some other bunch was stealing their candidate.

Blogger RedJack March 27, 2021 10:55 PM  

If you are from CA, South Dakota is not your people anymore than Italy is.

You are at best an immigrant from q foreign land. Never forget that.

Blogger Crew March 27, 2021 11:13 PM  

@98: Those in control will not allow that until it is too late to stop large numbers of deaths.

And the vibrants are going to start large scale killings soon enough.

Blogger SacrificialLamb March 27, 2021 11:36 PM  

@98. I'm almost certain that extreme balkanization is going to happen anyway....regardless of how Prometheans, SJWs, Christian Nationalists, whites, blacks, browns, "small hats", or Chinese feel about it.

What cannot endure, will not endure.

Blogger dienw March 27, 2021 11:37 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:A breakup would leave us vulnerable to external enemies.

This has been an argument for a long time.

I've seen it used to justify Yankee actions during the War of Northern Aggression.
It was a stupid argument then. It's a stupid argument now.


English and French armies were massed along the Canadian border ready to invade if the North lost the war or proved to be too weak to resist the invasion; the same was happening on the southern border with the French and their Emperor Maximilian.
So, yes, the threat was real.

Blogger B March 27, 2021 11:47 PM  

This last corrupt election has shown even the brain-dead that the Constitution is just a piece of paper, and that SCOTUS is incapable of defending that piece of paper. You can push people only so far, and the break-up will begin at the local level, where local governments in the boonies refuse to carry out directives from both the State and Federal governments & courts. And, of course, refuse to funnel tax money to the state capitals and D.C.

Whites will be forced into local insurrections even quicker, when you consider the relentless racist propaganda against Whites, and as the body count of White victims killed by emboldened Black predators grows.

Blogger My Comment March 28, 2021 12:17 AM  

There is no way that democrats will let whites secede legally and there is no elite that will back it. Derbydhire years back called for more doom and gloom on the right to replace the easy feel good Narratives like Secession or Hispanics are the real conservatives. Time for us to realize that there is no easy way out through force or the legal process. Whatever happens red areas will remain part of the US for the rest of our lives but maybe not for our grandkids

Blogger NewTunesForOldLogos March 28, 2021 12:33 AM  

Rural counties keep joining red states until there’s a State of Boise, a State of Portland, etc. Then the population of those city-states starved to death, and the depopulated territory is reclaimed by Cascadia, Jefferson, Greater Wyoming, etc.

Blogger pyrrhus March 28, 2021 12:46 AM  

As long as DC is not part of your State you're way ahead...https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/horror-caught-video-13-15-year-old-girls-murder-driver-dc-walk-past-body-look-cellphone/...96 carjackings this year despite the troops....

Blogger papabear March 28, 2021 1:16 AM  

Straussian Angelo Codevilla gets it... https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/american-exodus-angelo-codevilla-oligarchy

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 1:45 AM  

Jehu:
Pretty much every state, except Nebraska I believe, used to have their senate determined geographically, by county, rather than by population. Just like the US as a whole in fact. But the SC decided that this arrangement was unconstitutional back in the 60s, in one of the worst decisions ever.

They literally declared the Constitution unconstitutional. Anyone who still thinks that we have rule-of-law is a couple generations out-of-date.

Blogger Jack Amok March 28, 2021 1:46 AM  

It's not going to work. It might last a generation, but it won't last longer than that and I doubt it will last that long. We've been seceding from the globalist lefties in their urban hell holes for half a century and they just keep following us.

They wont let us secede because they can't let us secede, they are parasites and we're their hosts. There's no moving away from them. If we don't want to live with their evil, we will have to stop it.

Blogger Sean Carnegie March 28, 2021 2:36 AM  

What if Spokane wants to become part of Idaho? Then the capital of Washington would be in Idaho. Ah ha ha ha

Funny but no. Olympia is WA’s capitol. Spokane is a great place to play poker but that’s just about it.

Blogger Barr Tab March 28, 2021 2:55 AM  

I don't see this happening very easily. In North Idaho we call it Spokompton. All the stuff destroying Seattle has made it there, to the far east end of the state. Even the white conservatives from Spokane are causing trouble on the ID side. Lots of bar fights and DUIs lately.

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 3:26 AM  

Josh Brown:
Yes altho Bend OR could be a complicating factor. Very leftist liberal isn't it.

Yes and no.

On the one hand, Bend is chock full of worldy weirdos. True.

On the other hand, those putative "citizens of the world" chose to live in the middle of nowhere. I've gone there a handful of times on business trips, and I perceive Bendies as being more self-starters.

They don't want to be in the big city, where everything is already built up and the only question is what pre-existing niche are you going to fill.

They don't even want to be on the same side of a mountain range as their supposed fellows.

They have been subsumed into a sick culture, but their natural character is pretty good. They would probably be pretty easy to pry out of the inverters' grip.

Blogger SciVo March 28, 2021 3:36 AM  

Canadian Warlord:
This all sounds great but there's turds baked into the cake: debt. The blue states are full of it, and when they shrink their available population to just the payees and no more payers, sparks will fly.

You aren't wrong. At the same time, they are also lazy and dishonorable, so they are likely to simply default.

Blogger Colonel Blimp March 28, 2021 3:51 AM  

The fact that you're left with the dakotas and southern idaho should give pause considering 20 states on the same menu just a decade or two ago....succession does nothing but recreate the same problems on a smaller scale that is easily gobbled up by usg over time. Without a whole ideology to rally around; one completely UNDER GOD and not democratic will you ever be able to hold off the progressives of satan.

Blogger Colonel Blimp March 28, 2021 3:52 AM  

Half of what you just said is the deep south.

Blogger Colonel Blimp March 28, 2021 3:54 AM  

The only chance of rebuilding is with kings. Everything else is just retrying the abject failure of democracy

Blogger Gettimothy March 28, 2021 4:37 AM  

My Comment wrote:There is no way that democrats will let whites secede legally and there is no elite that will back it. Derbydhire years back called for more doom and gloom on the right to replace the easy feel good Narratives like Secession or Hispanics are the real conservatives. Time for us to realize that there is no easy way out through force or the legal process. Whatever happens red areas will remain part of the US for the rest of our lives but maybe not for our grandkids

The hell with doom. We will do what is required to win, to expunge this evil.
If you cannot lead, follow, if you cannot contribute, shut up.
We are approaching the point where, during the war, doom-sayers will be hung as morale depends on you not being with us.

Blogger k johnson March 28, 2021 5:16 AM  

One would think the line-in-the-sand has already been crossed, but this gun control stuff might be what get's these secessions rolling.

Blogger The Observer March 28, 2021 6:14 AM  

We've been seceding from the globalist lefties in their urban hell holes for half a century and they just keep following us.

The more and more I think about it, the more I am convinced that cities are a blight upon the world; if personal defense, transportation, communications and efficient small-scale industrial technologies somehow survive, all their previous benefits of bringing people, material and ideas into close proximity will be have been invalidated; the only reason remaining for cities to exist would be status, and that is foul. Hives which allow the wicked to hide and fester should be cleared.

Blogger Opus March 28, 2021 7:06 AM  

Whereas it might be true that The Indian subcontinent (ie hot-headed British Barristers like Gandhi and Nehru) and Africa (ditto Gandhi) did not want to be ruled by the British that does not mean that they are not secretly grateful for British rule and miss us now we have gone - and does not the same go for our former American colonies when even a descendant of slaves seek and with considerable cunning to join into that allegedly most oppressive of families the Mountbatten-Windsors (as they now call themselves).

Indeed, so much does Africa miss us that its inhabitants are prepared to cross and in nothing more than a dingy the treacherous waters separating Britain from the benign rule of the continent of Europe so as to be with us. In gratitude for this, the British, who have no say as to who rules (for we have been under the Norman yoke for nearly a millennium) have outsourced rule to these very same people who and without invitation arrived at our shores, the very ones VD says do not wish to be ruled by us British.

Are the Royal Family British? Is the Prime Minster or the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Home Secretary or Foreign Secretary ethnically British? What of the Mayor of London and various other large cities? Not one of them.


You'll get used to it and consider the advantages: when it all goes wrong we get to blame people we see as foreigners who in turn can say the sort of things we may not say for the likes of Home Secretary Pritti Patel are always able to and frequently do play the race card. Meanwhile we can say behind his back that the Mayor of London is just an Uncle Tom and best of all that the Royal family are just a bunch of Krauts and fully paid-up Nazis. What's not to like.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 28, 2021 7:07 AM  

141 comments and yet no mention of Mr. Lind's "Victoria." Of course then again when most right wingers hear 4GW mentioned they think of buffoonery in the woods with an AK.

The theory of 4GW is prefaced on people transferring their loyalties away from the current State, the ruling apparatus and transfer it to other entities. As I have said once you lose conservatives liberalism dies because who else would listen to liberals their own voting bloc certainly don't, half of whom cannot read and think things of "Whites" that would make Julius Streicher blush.

For the love of all that is good people just stop with the conservatism. "Hur dur President Biden is a poopy head, buy my new book and watch me on FOX, hur dur."

Blogger Ransom Smith March 28, 2021 7:09 AM  

English and French armies were massed along the Canadian border ready to invade if the North lost the war or proved to be too weak to resist the invasion; the same was happening on the southern border with the French and their Emperor Maximilian.
So, yes, the threat was real.

No, they weren't. And you're a moron for thinking it.
Meanwhile France was getting their butt spanked by a bunch of Mexican farmers.

Blogger dienw March 28, 2021 8:31 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:English and French armies were massed along the Canadian border ready to invade if the North lost the war or proved to be too weak to resist the invasion; the same was happening on the southern border with the French and their Emperor Maximilian.

So, yes, the threat was real.


No, they weren't. And you're a moron for thinking it.

Meanwhile France was getting their butt spanked by a bunch of Mexican farmers.


You need to stop cutting and pasting code and go read history.

Blogger Skyler the Weird March 28, 2021 8:54 AM  

@123. The Czar still smarting from the Crimean War was supporting the North so that would not happen. He sent the Russian Fleet on a tour of North America in 1863. The Baltic Fleet wintered in New York and the Pacific Fleet wintered in San Francisco. Had the British entered the fray, the Russians would have turned the great game to their favor. Imagine Ghandi trying to overthrow the Soviet Raj.

Blogger Canadian Warlord March 28, 2021 8:56 AM  

Precedents in realpolitik from the US Civil War Part One might be a tad outdated. I doubt the USA can once again depend on the Tsar of Russia to park the Russian Navy in New York and Los Angeles (or was it San Francisco?). England and France weren't doing themselves favors with Imperial Russia at the time and the Russkies may have longed for revenge.

It's been remarked upon that the US and Russia should be natural allies, they're both Atlantic and Pacific continent-sprawling powers. They have giant plains with massive agriculture and enough mining and resources to be independent. It'd be nice to see a repeat of that, maybe taking a different form. Some kind of modern reconciliation with Russia as a refreshed USA dusts itself off from (((financial slavery))).

Blogger Bezzle March 28, 2021 9:11 AM  

@106. KingKrawFish March 27, 2021 9:23 PM
When the USSR collapsed/split, there was one very dominant State (Russia) which exerted some control over nukes, military hardware, etc., but essentially allowed a peaceful breakup.

What Russia graciously permitted to leave wasn't part of it in the first place, but adjacent territory conquered by the Soviet Union during WWII and the Cold War within living memories.

An analogy to the current US is at minimum forced and at worst specious.


@130. Jack Amok March 28, 2021 1:46 AM
It's not going to work. It might last a generation, but it won't last longer than that and I doubt it will last that long. We've been seceding from the globalist lefties in their urban hell holes for half a century and they just keep following us.

Balkanization is another word for retreat. It only works if you're Bugs Bunny daring Yosemite Sam to "cross this line" one more time off a cliff in a cartoon.

They wont let us secede because they can't let us secede, they are parasites and we're their hosts.

From the perspective of those who set up the Cloward-Piven-bound welfare state, you fracturing your own nation is their ulterior goal. They end up owning all the major port cities and internal transportation hubs. The day after secession is officially announced, a half-billion Chinese load up on container ships to settle the west coast of their new prize, while a largely landlocked "heritage America" shrinks to rural farmers selling corn for a scraped-by living. And all because they tricked a bunch of yokels into cutting their extremities off rather than finally stop paying fucking taxes.


@134. SciVo March 28, 2021 3:36 AM
Canadian Warlord: This all sounds great but there's turds baked into the cake: debt. The blue states are full of it, and when they shrink their available population to just the payees and no more payers, sparks will fly.

You aren't wrong. At the same time, they are also lazy and dishonorable, so they are likely to simply default.

A debt secured by fraud is invalid, and there's no such thing as a morally-binding "slavery contract" anyway, no matter how speciously worded and bound up into usurious fiat.

To think that a people that once went to war over a 2c tax on stamps are now too inept and chickenshit to get off the couch and dump the Federal Reserve.

Blogger Meanoldbasterd March 28, 2021 9:39 AM  

@FUBARwest: simple, it will be based on eff you whitey, you exist to serve us. Now, what are you gonna do about it?

Blogger Meanoldbasterd March 28, 2021 9:41 AM  

@Doom bingo.., running or drawing imaginary lines didn't help the Indians, now did it?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 28, 2021 10:03 AM  

My Comment wrote:Time for us to realize that there is no easy way out through force or the legal process.
No easy way out, but force is the way out; the only way.

Blogger Canada78Bear March 28, 2021 10:43 AM  

Neither China or Russia has had remote vassals that I can see in cursory reading. This is a European/USA thing and they clearly see how it hurts long term.
Vox is totally bright here, enemy within is the only lasting downfall.

If the break does happen no government will want the cities, they are consumers and produce nothing except imaginary value on paper rectangles.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 28, 2021 10:50 AM  

You need to stop cutting and pasting code and go read history.
0/10 level comeback, but I support your right to moronic thought.
England was super busy all over the world at that point and didn't have disposable troops to commit to a full scale invasion against a heavily militarized industrial power that had a navy capable of going toe to toe with them.
French was getting badly beaten in Mexico, and about to get spanked like a disobedient child by the Prussians.
If you know of some mystery divisions of troops that for some strange reason magically weren't in Canada around that time, I'd be happy to hear that. You may be referring to the Trent affair, and 14,000 troops would have been a paltry amount to invade with.
Again, I welcome your idiocy, it's amusing.

Blogger Singlemalted March 28, 2021 11:05 AM  

Lake County Illinois here. We border Wisconsin, and I’d do all in my power to secede from the S-hole that Is Shitcago and Crook County.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 28, 2021 11:42 AM  

The natural condition of the states is suing the federal government. The natural condition of cities is suing the state government. It's not supposed to be unified.

We have property laws based on California miners, not George Washington, surveyor.

I live in a state that takes over the fed-gov every few decades and reboots everything. Governing is a skill that favors big thinkers.

I live in a city in a perpetual state of lawsuit with the state. Our city is different than the rest of the state, and flourishes on a different economic schedule than the rest of the state. If I wanted something different, I could move. Lots of people move. Then they get very emotionally attached to their city. All the cities are distinct.

I also managed to live in a small town near the city that had an unbelievably intense deep bench of lawyers suing both the city and the state. They built a very distinct culture with only a few thousand people. Now they are growing because their views worked, and people want to be a part of a working, winning, culture.

Conflict and intense localism is the fastest way to find out what works for the most people.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella March 28, 2021 11:47 AM  

and efficiently: what most people want varies- the small town keeps out those who can't keep up, or don't even want to try. If you want a homogenous white population, you go allow churches, and you insist on calculus and physics in the high school, and stress the elementary kids with performance tests. The churches keep the Indian and Chinese population down. They don't want to be outsiders. This looks like permits for buildings, parking lots, parades, businesses donating to VBS endeavors, spotlighting Christmas pageants, and so on.

It's a lot of work. The city keeps out the very conservative, and the very shallow. People end up in California or Miami, because they hate this place. Good!

Blogger Jack Amok March 28, 2021 11:47 AM  

Balkanization is the only pathway that does not leave 100-200 million dead.

That's why we keep losing, Snidely. We keep looking for the easy way out while Leftists operate without worrying about consequences because they assume we'll sacrifice for the greater good.

Blogger Canadian Warlord March 28, 2021 12:28 PM  

@157. Jack Amok,
I believe you're correct - the easiest way to stop the destruction of society is to solve it on our own soil and not back down. BUT

The problem, is geography. As countries in say, Europe, are defined by natural defenses / rivers around as boundaries, people are basically stuck with each other and they have to live together or they have a civil conflict to sort things out. North America is too gigantic for the secession option to NOT be always in the fore - even if it's a bad choice. It's too easy for one party to simply move somewhere else. And we are dealing with lazy assholes on the other side for the most part - that's why they needed paid busloads of pedo criminals and couldn't depend on volunteers to wreck shit up last year.

I keep thinking back to 100 years ago and WW1 - when people cared enough about their civilization that they fixed bayonets and walked into machine gun fire. There's no comparison to the modern liberals - these people don't care enough to lift any finger at all. That's why they'd lose a "now" conflict, and that's why they'll lose a "later" conflict that's downstream of the decision to split. But being lazy they will opt for the long loss.

Blogger Pytor March 28, 2021 12:48 PM  

Because USA encompassed so many geographic domains we have all resources to go it alone as an isolationist nations. But this is only true as long as we are united. Once we are split apart resource dependency can be exploited. China spent its whole history pitting factions of barbarians against each other. England feared a united Germany. The republic is strongest when it is united

Blogger Pytor March 28, 2021 12:57 PM  

I agree. Lets preserve the union AND destroy the fifth column.

Blogger Crew March 28, 2021 1:38 PM  

"Lets preserve the union AND destroy the filth column."

FIFY.

Blogger Crew March 28, 2021 1:42 PM  

English and French armies were massed along the Canadian border ready to invade if the North lost the war or proved to be too weak to resist the invasion; the same was happening on the southern border with the French and their Emperor Maximilian.

So, yes, the threat was real.


Ignoring capabilities, what would it have been in the interests of British and French during the War of Northern Aggression?

My opinion is that it would have served the British better of the Confederacy had won, because they would have eliminated a rising industrial power and maintained another agricultural nation with supplies of raw materials (cotton) for their industries. And, what better point to intervene when the Confederacy had won some major battles?

OTOH, I believe it was in the interests of the French to ensure that the US remained united as a country that would compete with and was hostile to the British.

Perhaps I am wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

Blogger Mamabear37 March 28, 2021 2:47 PM  

Having been born and raised, and lived all over the state of IL, there are beautiful pockets all over the state. Chicago isn't one of them. And you couldn't pay me to move back there. I feel bad for my aged family still there.

Blogger Newscaper312 March 28, 2021 5:41 PM  

@Crew
Correct. Britain had been softly supporting the CSA, or at least turning an official blind eye private groups doing business w them, including English ports helping confederate commerce raiders like the CSS Alabama.

Convincing the British govt and interests pushing for greater pro CSA involvement to back off was a big part of the motivation behind Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation, which at the time actually freed no slaves - explicitly did not apply to slaves in territory actually under Union Army control. It also fanned flagging support in the North for the by adding a moral dimension.

I always tell people that the Civil War is far more complex than "slavery". Yes, fears of growing abolitionist power in the North w the election of Lincoln, actually miscalculated, spooked Southern elites into secession.
And yes,the arguable miscalculation of attacking Ft Sumter was first shot, but in no way had to result in a total war of conquest by the North. When Lincoln went to war it was explicitly NOT about freeing slaves, but about "preserving the Union" aka Control. Sumter could have dealt with diplomatically, perhaps w some reparations - acting like full scale war was the inevitable result is dishonest. Factions in the North *wanted* war.
Once the North began war in earnest, the large majority of southerners, who did not own slaves and who in many cases were skeptical if secession, gladly fought to repel the invader. All that completely ignored the parallel longstanding tensions over tariffs, which hurt the South more than the North.

Causes of the Civil War boils down to three questions:
Why did the Southern states secede?
Why did the North choose war to stop them?
Why was Southern support for war overwhelming once joined, even among the non slave owning majority?
Just saying "slavery" is lazy, stupid, and historically inaccurate. IOW a lie.

Blogger SacrificialLamb March 28, 2021 6:48 PM  

@147. Bezzle

Balkanization is another word for retreat. It only works if you're Bugs Bunny daring Yosemite Sam to "cross this line" one more time off a cliff in a cartoon.


No, pedoface. By the way, I will always bring up your previous defense of underage sex slavery....every time I respond to you.

Balkanization has NOTHING to do with retreat.

What balkanization means....is that local governments will (maybe passively and quietly) ignore many directives from state and federal governments. State government will ignore many directives from federal government. Some local and state governments will be open about this, while other local communities will ignore directives QUIETLY.....whether (local, state, or federal) government likes it or not.

This process won't instantly happen everywhere, but it will happen. Balkanization is happening already to a massive degree right now, but it's just not being reported on by the media. You already get balkanization anyway (by default) in a multicultural, multilingual, and multiracial society, but the mask mandates and lockdowns for the fake pandemic....accompanied by rolling blackouts, wildfires, and Antifa riots have just massively amplified that.

Take a look at Daytona Beach right now and then compare it to New York City. Look at Coeur d'Alene, Idaho....and then compare it to Portland or Chicago. Then compare the large cities to the rural areas. Totally different, right?

The process of balkanization will NOT be officially called "secession", and it will not be so overt or so rapid. And this process is not going to be as simple and obvious as something like Texas openly seceding from America.

The word "secession" tends to cause fedfags and patriot types to get riled up, but the real process of balkanization will be neither overt nor sexy.....and it will happen at a LOCAL level. Hell, it's ALREADY happening at local levels.....all over the place.

Furthermore, this phenomenon will NOT be meaningfully reported on by the (((mainstream media))) because the Prometheans don't want people getting ideas. Instead, the media will dishonestly chimp out over "growing COVID cases" every time groups of people congregate without wearing a slave muzzle.....which is already frequently happening in many places now.

It's one thing to conquer and control a small ethnostate like Sweden, but....America? The Prometheans conquered America, but they'll be unable to control the territory they conquered.....because it's just too big and too diverse. Hell, the "Prometheans" obviously can't control it now. If you don't believe me, just go online and look around. There are tons of things happening out there that you just don't know about.

As a small example, some places are filled with mask zombies.....while in other places, tons of people walk around without the slave muzzles. The whole mask cult nonsense just makes the process of balkanization EASIER and more obvious, rather than harder. I used to be very upset about this mask stuff, but not any more. You know why?

Because every single time I see a person walking outside, the person in question is LOUDLY signaling what he or she believes. The mask is a symbol of it. Every person wearing a mask OUTSIDE is loudly virtue signaling what he or she either believes, or is willing to submit to. And when a person wears a mask in his car ALONE, I know that I'm seeing a person who cannot even be treated as sentient.

I try not to judge people for wearing masks, in order to acquire food and medicine. But if I see someone wearing a mask OUTSIDE, then I treat that person as potentially dangerous and mentally malleable.....by default.

So...yeah. The process of balkanization is ongoing and inevitable, and will never be honestly discussed by the media. I think we'll barely recognize America in 10 years.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 28, 2021 7:20 PM  

dienw wrote:

You need to stop cutting and pasting code and go read history.


You mean like how Maximillian landed in Mexico in May 1864 and just over 3 years later was overthrown and shot by the Mexicans? The French had their hands full from the initial invasion in 1861 till the end in 1867. They were not going to be invading the US or the CSA.

Blogger Akulkis March 28, 2021 9:23 PM  

>> My opinion is that it would have served the British better of the Confederacy had won, because they would have eliminated a rising industrial power and maintained another agricultural nation with supplies of raw materials (cotton) for their industries. And, what better point to intervene when the Confederacy had won some major battles?

Where do you think all of those Whitworth cannons and Whitworth sniper rifles came from?

England was actively, supporting the South as best as possible without putting any British military personnel or British-flagged ships where undesirable events could put the crown in a position of having to make a very public choice of either going to war with the North, or publicly disavowing the South, and thereby losing shipments of cotton to French ports.

France was in the same quandary.

They couldn't agree to put up a united front against the North, because Paris and London have never trusted each other.

Blogger Crew March 28, 2021 10:45 PM  

Where do you think all of those Whitworth cannons and Whitworth sniper rifles came from?

Various sites suggest that both the Union and the Confederacy had a battery of those cannon each, with the Union having 6 and the Confederacy 4.

It seems they would easily fail and the Union never used theirs in anger while the Confederacy did at least once.

However, the presence of those cannons and the sniper rifles would not seem to indicate favoritism to one side or another.

Blogger SirHamster March 29, 2021 12:18 AM  

SacrificialLamb wrote:No, pedoface. By the way, I will always bring up your previous defense of underage sex slavery....every time I respond to you.
For future reference, Bezzle failed the Witch Test. He failed to confess Jesus as Lord and has no moral authority.

In a thread about Milo's renunciation of homosexuality and intent to walk the straight path, Bezzle virtue signaled and then started bearing false witness about Milo.

When challenged to confess Jesus Christ as Lord, he showed zero interest in doing so.

When someone is disqualified, you don't bother acting like they have anything worthwhile to say. Disqualify and move on.

"Shut up pedophile" or "Shut up witch" will do.

Blogger Prairie Boy March 29, 2021 6:03 PM  

It doesn't get much publicity in the U.S. but there is a growing separatist movement in the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan. Those are two Canadian provinces that border Montana and North Dakota. Both AB and SK have more in common with those two states than they do with any Eastern Canadian provinces and their liberal politics. Last year the Buffalo Party which was formed just months before the Saskatchewan election ran a number of candidates in the election and made a notable 2nd place finish in some ridings that the media had to acknowledge their presence. So called "Conservative" Premier of Alberta, Jason Kenney is seen as cucking to Trudeau in Ottawa so much that his poll numbers have tanked.To survive another election he might have to seek the far-right Wildwood Party support. If not, the socialist provincial party could be elected again. That would be a disaster like before when the socialists won an Alberta election. There is political drama on both sides of the Canada - USA border when it comes to states and provinces.

Blogger SacrificialLamb March 29, 2021 6:36 PM  

@168. "Shut up, pedophile" is better.....but yeah, you're right.

And I believe that Milo is telling us the truth. He is renouncing homosexuality, and accepting Jesus Christ into his heart. It won't be an easy road for him, but he'll make it.

By the way, I took Pedo Bezzle's statement on balkanization seriously, because what he said was either very stupid....or an outright lie. A lot of people don't seem to know what "balkanization" is, but they eventually will.....whether they like it or not.

Blogger Jack Amok March 30, 2021 1:27 AM  

the real process of balkanization will be neither overt nor sexy.....and it will happen at a LOCAL level. Hell, it's ALREADY happening at local levels.....all over the place.

The problem is there's an ongoing process of de-balkanization as well. Some of it "natural" (e.g. idiot leftists fleeing the problems their politics caused in their Blue locale for one of the still-functional Red locals), and some of it engineered (section 8 housing, "refugee" programs, etc). The places that are trying to disengaging from the liberal chaos are being steadily invadec by liberals. Texans and Coloradans complain about "Californication" but of course Californians could have complained about New Jereyification or Chicagoification a saeculum ago. And the faster the hell holes get worse, the bigger the gap between functional and dysfunctional gets, the faster the rats flee their locales and infest ours.

That's why I don't believe either secession or balkanization will work - the liberals won't stay away and given the geography, it's not practical to keep they away. Or rather, the only practical method of keeping them from following us is to fight and defeat them, and if we're going to do that, why not just keep the Blue states and cities in the first place.

Frankly I think it would be a lot less bloody if we told them they could live and we'd feed them if they agree to give up their right to vote than if we try to tell them they can't move to our communities.

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