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Sunday, April 18, 2021

Let them go

The love of money is the root of all evil. 70 years of success isn't enough to prevent Europe's biggest soccer teams from falling into the clutches of the bankers:

 A group made up of the biggest soccer clubs in Spain, England and Italy has agreed to join a breakaway league that has the potential to change the landscape of world soccer, according to The New York Times. 

So far, 12 teams have reportedly endorsed or signed up for the super league, including Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atlético Madrid from Spain; Manchester United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham from England; and Juventus, A.C. Milan and Inter from Italy. 

The report suggested that each permanent member of the proposed breakaway league, which would begin in 2022, has been promised €350 million ($425 million) with JPMorgan Chase & Co. in discussions to help finance the league....

Under the proposals reviewed at the time, the super league, which would play its matches in the middle of the week, sought to secure 16 top soccer franchises as permanent members and to add four qualifiers from domestic competitions. The clubs would be split into two groups of 10, with the top four teams in each group qualifying for the knockout stages, culminating in a final that would take place on a weekend.

The event would, according to the documents, generate hundreds of millions of dollars in additional revenue for the participating teams, which are already the richest clubs in the sport. (An alternative version of the plan proposed 15 permanent members and five qualification spots.) The group had entered into discussions with JPMorgan Chase & Co. to raise financing for the project, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The firm has so far declined to comment.

UEFA found a powerful ally in opposition to the plans in FIFA, soccer’s global governing body. FIFA warned that any player who took part in such an unsanctioned league would be banned from appearing in the World Cup. The statement came after UEFAs president, Aleksander Ceferin, demanded support from his FIFA counterpart, Gianni Infantino, amid mounting speculation that the breakaway would have FIFA’s backing.

European soccer leaders huddled on the telephone and in video conferences over the weekend to forge a counterattack. However, finding a solution to the potential loss of the biggest brands in soccer is not an easy task. The Premier League, for example, would lose much of its sheen — and almost certainly a lot of the commercial appeal that has turned it into the richest league in soccer — should it move to banish its top six teams.

My prediction is that severing the big teams from their domestic leagues is going to backfire, as the combination of foreign players and foreign competition, combined with the extreme convergence that will be imposed upon the new league, will cause them to be replaced by new domestic favorites.

I'm a longtime Arsenal and AC Milan supporter, but I can't even imagine having any interest in this super league. It's basically going to be like an All-Star game all season long. UEFA and FIFA are among the most corrupt organizations on the planet, but at least they have a genuine and substantial commitment to supporting the sport at all levels. This new league doesn't, won't, and can't, it's about nothing but TV money. Which is why kicking out every organization and player involved is the right response.

UEFA were strong in response, announcing that every club and player that takes part in the Super League will be banned from all competitions at both European and  international level - and extends to international level and competitions including the European Championship.... The new league represents the American takeover of elite European football, which will become a closed shop run by its founder members. It is bankrolled by US banking giant JP Morgan and is the brainchild of Real Madrid president Florentino Perez and the American owners of three leading English clubs. 

In addition to being proof that too much money ruins everything, it will be an interesting test of nationalism vs financial capitalism. I won't be surprised if the top six English teams that leave for it eventually become less popular than the teams that stay in the Premier League. 

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59 Comments:

Blogger aps April 18, 2021 7:06 PM  

Leicester dynasty incoming!

What a time to be alive.

Blogger Blume April 18, 2021 7:12 PM  

They are basically trying to replace the champions league. They are fools if they think that would bring in new money instead of cannibalizing the current leagues. UEFA is fighting for its existence and are right to bring sanctions against these teams.

Blogger Yordan Yordanov April 18, 2021 7:16 PM  

What nationalism? These Premier League teams are more international than Coca-Cola. Teams that are not in the Premier League (or national equivalent) and stadiums have been on government support for decades.
I'm on team J&P Morgan here. Take off the mask and let the dominos fall.

Blogger A bit of truth April 18, 2021 7:26 PM  

That's what happened in Scotland from what I have read. Celtic and Rangers get all the coverage outside but within, the little Scottish teams have the most fervent fan bases.

Blogger James Fox Higgins April 18, 2021 7:26 PM  

These Americans with money are just “new Europeans”, don’t they know?

Blogger Steve Canyon April 18, 2021 7:37 PM  

All the more reason to keep your country's industry owned by people in your country.

Blogger Ana Milan April 18, 2021 7:38 PM  

If they mandate the experimental eugenics injection/passports there won't be anyone to attend football matches or, indeed, to watch them on tv. I wonder why they are introducing such a proposal at this particular time?

Blogger Ransom Smith April 18, 2021 7:43 PM  

I notice the German teams are missing from that list. And they're supposedly the most financially stable of the major European leagues.

Blogger qualitycontrol April 18, 2021 7:50 PM  

@3. Yordan Yordanov
Not sure about the English teams but Lazio Rome or Zenith St. Petersburg come to mind with a strong nationalist fanbase. At least a few years ago. Not to mention, this move is probably going to create a lot of spite with fans. Your average guy is going to hate the players that are not allowed to play at the world cup. Because plenty of fans here are serious about these international events. So unless the big TV-Money would force you to bundle primer league & super league, a lot of people would not buy the later out of spite.

I hope the put this league into existence. And I hope it's a massive failure for everyone involved. It would serve as a great warning to see some of these big clubs gone.

Blogger Paddy J S April 18, 2021 7:52 PM  

I fell out of love with Premier League and man united back in noughties when the diving and cheating was so ott. Now because of them I am agnostic on much of football. But I'd be happy to see all these clubs severally punished for this. Vox is right this is about greed. One of America's worst exports is commerical greed.

Blogger Daniel April 18, 2021 8:15 PM  

Juve? How stupid can they be?

Hubris.

Blogger InformationMerchant April 18, 2021 8:42 PM  

They did it. The EPL is completely converged anyway, I feel nothing about this at all. I haven't watched EPL since even before the BLM rituals and mass diversity hires from all broadcasters.

Blogger Doktor Jeep April 18, 2021 9:04 PM  

Who will the soccer hooligans beat up now?

Blogger Bear of Dalewind April 18, 2021 9:05 PM  

Love it!

Blogger Plassa April 18, 2021 9:19 PM  

It's a global sport, most people who watch don't care about those European domestic leagues, they wanna see the best of the best face each other regularly.

Blogger travvyboy April 18, 2021 9:24 PM  

I'm sure there is a line in their contract that they must kneel before every game for the kangz.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock April 18, 2021 9:40 PM  

No German teams yet? The legal situation there may prevent them from even trying.


I won't be surprised if the top six English teams that leave for it eventually become less popular than the teams that stay in the Premier League.

This is already of a list of 12 of the most hated teams in football, especially Man U, Madrid, and (perhaps a personal choice) Chelsea.


The "millionaires' league" in Colombia tried to go pirate in 1949. They lasted 2 years before being outlaws in the eyes of FIFA proved too difficult, and this was before international competition really mattered. Wonder if today's players are ready to be outcasts unless the wages go way up, and will teams outside the Superleague do business with them on transfers? The odds are money changes everything, so it remains to be seen. If the regenades get themselves a NFL size deal, then all bets are off; it was TV money that made the EPL breakaway possible.

Blogger KPKinSunnyPhiladelphia April 18, 2021 9:52 PM  

Yorndan wrote:

What nationalism? These Premier League teams are more international than Coca-Cola. Teams that are not in the Premier League (or national equivalent) and stadiums have been on government support for decades. I'm on team J&P Morgan here. Take off the mask and let the dominos fall.

Well, you are on the wrong team then.

True enough that the top teams in the EPL are no longer "English" but great English players play in the league, and on the best teams, but pretty good International players play in the lower leagues as well.

This Super League runs completely counter to the tradition of town and village teams in England, Italy, Germany--and neighborhood teams in London and Manchester. It's not only anti-national and globalist in the extreme, it's anti-local. And it's driven strictly by greed.

Traditions matter, particular in sport. Both West Ham and Leicester can wind up in the Champion's league this year, and Tottenham, Liverpool, and Chelsea can be on the outside looking in. I don't know about you, but I think this is fucking fantastic -- and I love Jurgen Klopp and Thomas Kuchel as managers.

If UEFA and FIFA stand firm on this, this concept is dead on arrival.

Mohammed Salah may not give a shit about playing for Egypt, but will Christian Pulisic, who may become the greatest USA player of all time, purposely miss out on playing for America?

Phil Foden and Mason Mount could be the next great English midfield pairing for England, but can you imagine the reception they would get at home if they are prevented from playing for England?

Playing in a World Cup matters to these players and the World Cup, title notwithstanding, is a great NATIONALIST enterprise.

Gary Neville was on NBCsn railing against this idea, and he has a ton of influence now in English game from his perch on SkySports.

I don't think the idea will backfire, as Vox says, I actually think it goes nowhere, but ONLY If the FIFA and UEFA stick to their threats and do not budge.

Blogger dds April 18, 2021 9:59 PM  

Goodbye Football

https://ia601807.us.archive.org/23/items/goodbye-football-erberderber/Goodbye%20Football%20%28Erberderber%29.mp4

Blogger SciVo April 18, 2021 10:02 PM  

Just think of the possibilities!

1. They ruin something beloved by the unhyphenated.
2. They make lots of money.
3. They make lots of money while ruining something beloved by the unhyphenated.

It's a no-lose situation for them.

Blogger Doom April 18, 2021 10:05 PM  

That's mighty globalist of them.

Blogger TheMaleRei April 18, 2021 10:57 PM  

Ana Milan wrote:If they mandate the experimental eugenics injection/passports there won't be anyone to attend football matches or, indeed, to watch them on tv. I wonder why they are introducing such a proposal at this particular time?

That is cause & effect thinking, the thinking of reason.
That's CIS-HET-Patriarchal-huwhyte-Supremacy donchaknow.

In all seriousness, for these people, they CAN hold multiple contradictory thoughts in their heads at the same time, and still 'function' for they are truly special better than the proles.

Blogger Nate April 18, 2021 11:21 PM  

Newcastle United did not join. Thats how you know the league is evil

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira April 19, 2021 12:00 AM  

If it leaves some opportunity for a few up-and-comers, then I am all for it.

Blogger awildgoose April 19, 2021 12:39 AM  

Middle of the week?

Who will watch the matches on TV much less attend in person?

Is this some kind of drug money laundering scheme?

Blogger Unknown April 19, 2021 1:33 AM  

Manchester United - owned by ((( Malcolm Glazer's ))) estate
Liverpool - one of Fenway's owners is a ((( Ginsberg )))
Manchester City - owned by Emiratis
Chelsea - ((( Roman Abramovich)))
Tottenham - ((( Joe Lewis and Daniel Levy )))

hrm. i'm not seeing any discernible pattern here.

Blogger nswhorse April 19, 2021 1:56 AM  

Rupert Murdoch did something similar to rugby league in Australia in the 90s. The breakaway league only lasted one season, but Murdoch and his cronies successfully negotiated the peace settlement strongly in favour of the teams who sold their souls and took his money (and a new team they created from scratch), and several of the teams who refused were either killed off or forced to merge. I hope Vox is right and the sell-outs bear the cost this time around.

Blogger MarkyMark April 19, 2021 2:38 AM  

Not that it's 100% on point, college football teams in the Big East conferance broke away to earn more money, and it totally RUINED many of the programs in the Big East! Programs such as Rutgers and UConn were appropriately and evenly matched in the Big East; there were also some good rivalries. Once they left for the Big Ten and other big football conferences, all that went away; the programs were never the same. And why did these teams do it? For the money...

Blogger Jack April 19, 2021 2:40 AM  

Listen to Gary Neville speak on this.
https://youtu.be/GP05EDm9EB8

Blogger Harambe April 19, 2021 2:49 AM  

Euro soccer hasn't been about nationalism since the very first day a brown man got paid to win matches.

Blogger Shane Bradman April 19, 2021 3:05 AM  

Football is the best sport in the world, but that doesn't change the fact that pretty much every high level league is money laundering and fraud.

Blogger Karen took the Kids April 19, 2021 3:23 AM  

I don't want them punished, I want them to fuck off and stay fucked off.

Roy Keane hit the nail on the head as usual.
"It comes down to money, greed, it doesn't sound good. Let's hope it's stopped in its tracks because it's pure greed. We talk about the big clubs, Bayern Munich are one of the biggest in the world, at least they have made a stand, which is a start."

Blogger SonyAD April 19, 2021 4:32 AM  

I wonder if I'll live to see privatised, ex nihilo issued interest bearing debt based money issuance abolished. Probably the most important issue of our times, since it causes or enables many other issues.

Blogger John Best. April 19, 2021 4:56 AM  

Foreigners allying with international capital to destroy the national football league's. Perfect example of what's been happening for decades. Which is why I now support Rangers who were raped by the capitalist class and didn't die.

Blogger artensoll April 19, 2021 5:27 AM  

Eff you, I'm Millwall.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 19, 2021 5:28 AM  

UEFA and FIFA are among the most corrupt organizations on the planet, but at least they have a genuine and substantial commitment to supporting the sport at all levels.

There’s corruption, and then there’s woke corruption.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 19, 2021 5:39 AM  

I notice the German teams are missing from that list. And they're supposedly the most financially stable of the major European leagues.

It would make sense that JP Mephisto Chase offered its deal to clubs based upon how woke and how financially unstable they are. I guess major German and French clubs are too financially solid. And in Spain, woketardery is most advanced in Madrid and Barcelona. Airstrip One, of course, is terminal in that regard.

Blogger Lord Thorpe April 19, 2021 6:06 AM  

From a UK perspective there's a lot of 'wheels within wheels' to this story.
1. This hurts that Neoliberal old goat Murdoch who has poured billions into the premiership. This can only be good.

2. The ex-pros who work for Murdoch at Sky are going nuts. Gary Neville has called it "treason". This hurts the premiership product as there's no longer the push for European qualification.

3. The government has come out against it. They're very touchy since Brexit and they consider it one of their "world beating" things.

4. Do ManU and Liverpool matches against the likes of Norwich or Sheffield matter? Who cares?

5. ((Daniel Levy)) has managed to sneak Tottenham into the group of Europe's biggest clubs - which they don't belong in.

Blogger Unknown April 19, 2021 6:20 AM  

For those who are soccer fans, so this would be like a season long [baseball] playoff with the the topmost teams and star players harvested out of the regular [divisions] and just playing each other and a few side invites for teams doing really well out of the playoff system?

Isn't part of the soccer fandom yelling for your localmost guys against the nearby teams?

Blogger Ransom Smith April 19, 2021 6:22 AM  

It would make sense that JP Mephisto Chase offered its deal to clubs based upon how woke and how financially unstable they are.
My guess is that it's a "global branding thing".
FC Bayern is well known outside Germany, and Dortmund is to a lesser extent. But beyond that? How many random people in the world are Hamburg SV fans? Or Schalke?
The Germans might not have been invited strictly because the marketing department didn't like them.

Blogger Avalanche April 19, 2021 6:33 AM  

"UEFA were strong in response, announcing that every club and player that takes part in the Super League will be banned from all competitions at both European and international level - and extends to international level and competitions including the European Championship."

Extremely little knowledge or info about footie in Europe, so, my reaction to this para was: oh! So the point is to DESTROY the entire league, top to bottom, to destroy each country's *nationalistic* attachments to their own leagues? And their 'pipeline; of youngsters allegiance to their own country's leagues?

I have dim disgusted-if-unsurprised memories of snarling and whining about how 'paperwork Americans' and legal/illegals cheered insanely at some championship game here in the States for the *Mexican* team and booing the U.S. side.

Would not (((JPMorgan et al.))) be looking to disconnect the apparently stronger nationalistic pride of each country's fans in their Euro-country teams, even though many teams are filled with foreigners?

Blogger Harambe April 19, 2021 6:46 AM  

Shane Bradman wrote:Football is the best sport in the world...

You spelled Rugby wrong

Blogger Jack April 19, 2021 6:54 AM  

*Do ManU and Liverpool matches against the likes of Norwich or Sheffield matter? Who cares?*

My mate is a Sheff Utd. fan so naturally he cares. The team worked hard for their spot in the premier league with the fans supporting. Would be quite gutting to see the league gutted now. But this is the whole point. "Who cares" means you're putting TV football above live football, the corporate structure over and above the homegrown history and support.

Blogger John Henry Eden April 19, 2021 7:02 AM  

Soccer is for sissies. Rugby is for manly mem.

Blogger Opus April 19, 2021 8:06 AM  

In the 1920s or 30s my Mother began to show an interest in her professional local soccer team although I never heard that she attended a match. She withdrew her limited support on learning that not all the players in the team were local lads.

As a youngster and a supporter of my local professional soccer team most though not all the players were local lads - at least the most famous of them were: Moore, Peters, Greaves, Hurst indeed one out-of-season Saturday morning I and some of my little school friends went round to Jimmy Greaves house in search of an autograph which he happily gave as at that moment he was in his front garden mowing his lawn.

Like my Mother however I lost interest finding it hard to support my group of non-locals and even non-natives play their opponents team of non-locals and non-natives.

These days my sporting interest (as I may have previously mentioned) is Sumo. Sumo made the terrible decision fifty years ago to allow into its stables a limited number of non-Japanese. Now Sumo is desperate again for a Japanese Yokozuna. Such a shame Kinsenosata who was the most recent Yokozuna (and Japanese) retired so soon from that position.

Blogger Unknown April 19, 2021 8:42 AM  

42. Harambe April 19, 2021 6:46 AM
You spelled Rugby wrong


you spelled Aussie Football wrong.

Blogger Silly but True April 19, 2021 8:58 AM  

Apparently, a strong nationalist movement is the final solution to the bankers’ corrupting everything.

Blogger Lord Thorpe April 19, 2021 9:34 AM  

Really this is a long gestating thing. Up to 1983, the away side would get a share of the gate receipts. It was part of English football losing it's anglo-saxon nature in line with the rest of society. The likes of Sheffield and Norwich do not matter because they cannot compete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_receipts

Blogger CarpeOro April 19, 2021 10:22 AM  

Interesting Tottenham just sacked their coach. No idea if there is any correlation.

Blogger Ryan April 19, 2021 10:35 AM  

When I first heard this news I thought it was a new league, but sounds like domestic leagues will continue on as is. This is basically just a new version of champions league for midweek games.

Blogger VFM #0168 April 19, 2021 12:02 PM  

As an Arsenal fan, I made the same comment on this story on various platforms that this is a clear case of not selling out your countries organizations and companies to foreigners. It's very clear that a significant part of this plan rested on club owners being from other countries- 3 American owners, an American hedge fund, a Chinese holding company, a Russian billionaire, and an Abu Dhabi ownership group. La Liga is different because of its structure.

I don't think this happens if all clubs were owned by citizen(s) instead of foreigners.

Blogger Karen took the Kids April 19, 2021 2:01 PM  

It didn't happen in Germany because of this exact reason. The 50+1 rule prevents any such shenanigans.

Blogger Karen took the Kids April 19, 2021 2:03 PM  

You both spelled Hurling wrong.

Blogger RA April 19, 2021 3:04 PM  

The money, the money ... and the money.

Seems the proposed league anticipated the resistance as they allegedly already have legal filings ready to go to force the UEFA et al to go along.

Further it seems hypocritical as I understand the big clubs were part of the negotiation for the expanded Champions League coming in a year or two.

So if FIFA bans the Super League players from playing for their national teams, what happens to those players who still want to play for those national teams? Will they be allowed to transfer out?

What a mess. Pass the popcorn, please.

Blogger John Best. April 19, 2021 3:19 PM  

One thing I am finding fascinating is that the same language and rhetoric the nationalists have been using against mass migration/destruction of Christianity by the criminal class is the same language that the 'football fans' are using about the owners of the break away football clubs. So its just interesting how the working class can say things against the elite or rich people, but if they say it about other working class people they are racist/bigoted and so on.

Not understanding that the criminal class recruits from every class. So these people complaining have no issue with allowing foreign players, foreign managers, foreign fans, even foreign owners, but as soon as the criminal class makes it clear what they are then they have a problem. Mercenary players is fine, mercenary managers is fine, mercenary fans is fine, mercenary owners is fine. So we then have a club of mercenaries which act like mercenaries.

Blogger Blume April 19, 2021 5:00 PM  

I think this true of half that list. I couldn't name an Italian team other than A.C. Milan and know only Barcelona and Real Madrid from Spain. Heck I still don't know where Arsenal and Tottenham are from just somewhere in England. International fans know the leagues they watch and that is pretty much it.

Blogger Chuck April 19, 2021 6:21 PM  

"UEFA and FIFA are among the most corrupt organizations on the planet"

I doubt either hold a candle to the United States Federal Government, which is now the most corrupt enterprise in all of history.

Blogger Tom April 19, 2021 9:12 PM  

As a Liverpool supporter, I don't see a way they could back out of this. It's a case of, yeah, we know it's greed but if it's going to happen, then let's make sure we're in it. Not being a "local" supporter, I'm not exposed to the local flavor of competition besides the derbies, and even more so, the United games. I actually like the international flavor of the game, but understand the nationalist leanings for those who support local talent.

Is it too much? Yes, but with the fans all demanding the "greedy bastard" owners pay millions and spend however much they greedily hoard to make sure they win the league, I think it's a bit ironic that these fans (and yes, the Reds fans are the worst. THE. WORST.) are moaning about this. But they would be the first in line whining like little babies if Liverpool DIDN'T get included in this and, in 15 years, once some sort of compromise solution has been in effect, they'll be, "We should've supported it back when we had a chance."

I just feel bad for Klopp. He's a football purist, and it's not a good position to be in managing a club the right way, but the owners are creating a future that is creating a future that is different from his own view.

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere April 20, 2021 9:25 PM  

The English teams have all bailed on the super league already.

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