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Tuesday, May 18, 2021

And the cameras were rolling

Given what is now public information about the Promethean Panopticon and the Roman Catholic Church's lavender mafia, it's not exactly hard to figure out how the abomination that is Vatican II came into being contra centuries of theology and tradition.

Dr. Robert Moynihan, a veteran journalist and Vatican expert, has published an article in which he relates what a Time magazine journalist revealed to him in 2004. The now-deceased Robert Blair Kaiser told Moynihan that he was sent by Time’s Clare Booth and Henry Luce to the Second Vatican Council in Rome with a budget of $20,000 per month so that he could host parties for the participants of and journalists reporting on the Council.

As Kaiser told Moynihan, he had rented an “intentionally large apartment” in Rome. He also said that he had met with the Luce couple before coming to Rome. They “had hoped,” he said, “the residence would become a place where ideas could be exchanged among Council participants.”

He added, “They gave me a generous Time magazine expense account – $20,000 each month during the (Second Vatican) Council sessions – to hold regular dinner parties in my large apartment.” As he told Moynihan, he and his wife would “often host 50 or 100 journalists and monsignors, priests, and bishops and diplomats, sometimes during the week, sometimes on the weekend.”

The purpose of these gatherings was clear: it was not only to share information, but, as Moynihan reports, “to provide a space where the agenda of a ‘more open Church’ could be freely discussed, Kaiser said.”

That is to say: the U.S. secular Time magazine hosted luxurious gatherings throughout the 1962-1965 Vatican II sessions with numerous influencers in order to push the Council in a more progressivist direction. As Moynihan says, Kaiser quickly became “one of the most influential journalists in the city. His coverage of the Second Vatican Council set a standard and tone and ‘line’ – the ‘line’ was that the Catholic Church was undergoing a revolution which would change the Church profoundly.”

I very much doubt it was "information" that was being shared at the apartment parties. There was almost certainly rather less in the way of "discussion" and rather more in the way of "underage gay discotheque" taking place there.

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65 Comments:

Blogger Derangement Syndrome May 18, 2021 6:38 AM  

"Kaiser" is the German form of "Ceasar", and he was a trained Jesuit to top it off.

Can't make this stuff up.

Blogger Shane Bradman May 18, 2021 6:47 AM  

Archbishop Vigano, the champion that audited the Vatican Bank and exposed ex-Cardinal McCarrick, the serial pedophile, says that Vatican 2 should be tossed out and forgotten. I listen to saintly men who live by the example of Christ and the Apostles, not fat, pampered "bishops" who destroy sacred icons because they're "old fashioned" and think it's wonderful that sodomites are allowed near children.

Blogger Dan in Georgia May 18, 2021 6:54 AM  

...and as soon as it ended, the US’s immigration spigot was opened wide to the mostly Catholic third world, while banning immigration from British commonwealth nations. Nothing to see here.

Blogger LR27 May 18, 2021 7:12 AM  

The two million a year budget (inflation adjusted) is quite suspicious.

Blogger Unknown May 18, 2021 7:31 AM  

I was active in the state party for years, and when I went to some convention related events it was obvious they were friendraisers. Provide the undecided or the workerbees with quality food and beverage in a fun atmosphere in a ballroom or patio, with some inoffensive bands.

But some events would be much more and very suspect. In several adjoining hospitality suites, with lots of quality hard booze poured by skilled bartenders, gladhander hosts with winks towards bumps, and obvious pros or pro/ams in attendance.

And I would wonder, is this just the friendraiser gone extreme, or is this a blackmail setup?

And now I am older, and I know the answer is 'both.'

Blogger Lazarus May 18, 2021 7:35 AM  

Just for comparison, $20K in 1965 would be about 170K today.

Blogger FrankNorman May 18, 2021 7:42 AM  

For an external agency to be able to "push" the RCC leadership in such a direction... I think we all understand that they did not need much pushing. The top leadership was full of people who did not really believe in the religion they were supposed to be leading.

This is very similar to the Anglican church. In fact, I'd be surprised if there's any long-running denomination that doesn't gradually get taken over by self-important people who don't really believe in anything except their own social status.

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 18, 2021 7:53 AM  

All one has to do is attend a Latin Mass to understand the damage done through Vatican II. The Mass turned from worshiping God and a profound reverence for the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus to a worship of us/I/we/me and casual, unimagined consideration of the Most Holy Eucharist.

Blogger Critias May 18, 2021 7:55 AM  

Our Lady prophesied Rome would loose the faith. She also prophesied a number of other things that have come to pass. Russia spreading her errors which we can see has happened etc. She's also prophesied things that have not come to pass yet but it's interesting to keep those in mind while watching the geopolitical theatre play out. A massive war and something to do with almost the entirety of nature revolting against mankind.

Here's a very long video about the war and natural destruction that might be to come since the masons at the Vatican never fully revealed the Third Secret:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR2jC8N4IEM

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 18, 2021 7:56 AM  

FWIW....Vox, as a Roman Catholic, I really appreciate you bringing these types of discussions forward.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 18, 2021 7:58 AM  

But Vox, it's not like they are doing it on purpose. We just have to work hard to get the word out and educate people about this mess.

I could explain how but I have to go pick up my bowties at the dry cleaners. There were too many stains on them.

Blogger Rhology May 18, 2021 8:15 AM  

How anyone can remain Roman Catholic when their very dogma mandates submission to Magisterial decrees... and then recognise that Magisterium is hopelessly compromised, is beyond me.
Repent and believe the true Gospel and stop following those wicked men.

Blogger Gon Freecs May 18, 2021 8:21 AM  

“Media mogul Henry R. Luce, founder and publisher of enormously influential magazines like Time and Life, used the CIA’s doctrinal warfare program to turn the Catholic Church into a promoter of American ideas,” such as the idea of religious liberty.“

Blogger SecondComingOfBast May 18, 2021 8:24 AM  

People laugh at me when I say this but I'm convinced it's the media, not the RCC or any other church/religion, that is the False Prophet foretold in Revelations. Nothing has as much influence over the minds of it's "worshipers" as the media, whether it's movies, music, "journalism" and especially television. Just it's hypnotic influence on the conscious and subconscious minds of young children should be enough to scare the hell out of you.

Blogger dienw May 18, 2021 8:26 AM  

One loses his innocence reading Vox, Anonymous Conservative, Miles Mathis, and Lame Cherry. AC uses the term Darwinian process to describe the growth and behavior of the Cabal; but,it is really the level of control of Satan's hierarchy throughout the generations. We are living in Hell's vestibule.

Blogger Unknown May 18, 2021 8:28 AM  

The best account of the nefarious behind the scenes activities is the 'Ottaviani Intervention' by Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani (pdf is available). The main goal was the destruction of the traditional Latin Mass, as well as a general undermining of Orthodox Catholic praxis. It succeeded, temporarily. Tradition is enjoying a resurgence amongst the new generation, who hate the 'New Order' liturgies and banalities

Blogger Moonman's Ray-Ban Sunglasses May 18, 2021 9:07 AM  

Haha, the only way to change the Church profoundly is to profoundly purge the pedos, the pansies and the Papal Punks they've protected from top to bottom.

I'd looooooooooove to see some Righteous radicals rise up and initiate internal Inquisitions to inquire about 'influential journos' and identify the 'intentionally large apartments' of these supposedly 'Catholic' cocksuckers during their Counsel confabs.

Blogger cyrus83 May 18, 2021 9:08 AM  

Ralph Wiltgen wrote a history of the council back in 1967, which included the manipulative effect of press conferences, which he had a hand in organizing. Good read for those who want a bit of insider history on this disaster.

Blogger Newscaper312 May 18, 2021 9:22 AM  

Ive said about the only thing decent to come out of Vatican II was easing off on the old insistence, often with relish, that all other Christians, except maybe Orthodox?, were going to Hell.
Thing is, to do that, you didnt have to water down core teachings, or throw out the heritage of beautiful, inspiring churches, screw w the Mass.

Blogger Darren May 18, 2021 9:42 AM  

Back then version of "conversations about conversations"?
Just as useful when it comes to discovering and promoting Truth.

Blogger Shane Bradman May 18, 2021 9:45 AM  

@12. We are a part of the Church created by Christ, with Christ alone as the head. Judas priests and heretical bishops are not our leaders and must be condemned for leading souls to damnation.

Blogger Glen Sprigg May 18, 2021 9:46 AM  

Rhology wrote:How anyone can remain Roman Catholic when their very dogma mandates submission to Magisterial decrees... and then recognise that Magisterium is hopelessly compromised, is beyond me.

Repent and believe the true Gospel and stop following those wicked men.


Because contrary to popular (and media-fueled) belief, the Magisterium doesn't have the authority to rewrite doctrines. When we see Bergoglio and his sycophants talking about climate change being so important, or how they just casually brush aside the question of Demoncrat politicians getting communion, we know that it's their own personal attitudes, not the official position of the Church, that they are spewing. And we are free to ignore their opinions as the irrelevant spewing they are. The doctrines themselves aren't going to be touched; the Holy Spirit won't allow it.

As St. Pope John Paul II stated so clearly, the Magisterium doesn't have the authority to ordain women priests. No matter how much the left-wing clergy whine about it, that's not ever going to happen under the authentic Church. And if they persist in pushing for it, they'll have to do what all the honest Protestants did, and leave the Church.

The Church has the Eucharist; that alone is sufficient reason to remain, despite the public scandal of so many of the bishops and cardinals.

Blogger bw May 18, 2021 9:51 AM  

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Blogger The Masked Menace May 18, 2021 9:51 AM  

Wherever you turn, wherever you look there is a malevolent presence. It seems to permeate every institution everywhere. It infects everything. You cannot escape it. It's as if there is a central malevolent entity or force behind it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIrABWA6p5w&t=310s

Blogger bw May 18, 2021 9:51 AM  

You cannot overemphasize Skull and Bones and their connection with the juice.

Blogger The Masked Menace May 18, 2021 10:04 AM  

@12 Rhology

You are correct. It is beyond you.

Though we be assailed from without and betrayed from within, we will not abandon the citadel. May the hordes of Satan break upon us as the ocean breaks upon the rocky cliffs. We will not move.

Blogger mushroom May 18, 2021 10:18 AM  

Clare Booth Luce was intimately associated with Allen Dulles who ran the CIA -- even after JFK fired him over the Bay of Pigs. Lots of dots to connect.

Blogger Matamoros May 18, 2021 10:41 AM  

There are 3 books that I would heartily recommend to all who would understand Vatican II. The first is “The Plot Against the Church”, by Maurice Pinay (a collective name for several high ranking prelates) who give the history of the Jewish war against the Church and state that the primary reason Vatican II was called was to declare that the Jews were not guilty of deicide, and to shift the blame onto the Romans. The book was published shortly before the council and distributed to the fathers of the Council

The second is “Judaism and the Vatican: An Attempt At Spiritual Subversion”, by Leon de Poncins which is a general overview of the hatred of Christ and his Church by the Jews, and their attempts to shift the blame onto the Romans for the crucifixion of Christ.

The third is “Deicide At The Second Vatican Council: Bishop Carli & The Declaration On The Jews” by Dr. William von Peters which goes deeper into the work of Bishop Carli. The Jews actually got their schema “Declaration on the Jews” passed by the council fathers (which also condemned anti-Semitism), but Paul VI refused to sign off on it. He gave it to Bishop Carli to rework. This book is based upon Carli’s explanations of why the Jews are indeed deicides and the guilt rests upon them rather than the Romans. Carli published two articles in a clerical magazine while he was working on the revised schema “On Non-Christian Religions”, giving the Catholic Church’s true teachings which were memory holed until recently.

I might add that the final schema which Paul VI accepted from Bp. Carli did not contain a condemnation of anti-Semitism or shifting of blame, and so the Jews lost their goals; although they loudly (to this day) they succeeded.

Blogger Matamoros May 18, 2021 10:47 AM  

12. Rhology May 18, 2021 8:15 AM

How anyone can remain Roman Catholic when their very dogma mandates submission to Magisterial decrees... and then recognise that Magisterium is hopelessly compromised, is beyond me.
Repent and believe the true Gospel and stop following those wicked men.


It is clear that you do not understand what you are writing about. The magesterium is NOT corrupted. The teachings of the Church are written down and unchangeable "semper idem".

Rather the teachings of the Church are being twisted and changes proclaimed that cannot be done. Kind of like finding the right to homosexual marriage in the Constitution.

And to answer your question, should we leave Christ because of Judas? Certainly not, nor should we leave Christ's Church because of evil men.

Blogger Doc May 18, 2021 10:52 AM  

Have you heard the Pedope advocate for the mark in Latin? You should really hear him in Latin...

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 18, 2021 10:56 AM  

There is a Beast system---a current Ape of the Church---that exists within the same juridical space as the actual Catholic Church. This false Church that has been formed has creators who go back more than a century, to be sure. But a large part of this transformation is the CIA.

The current Vatican is dripping with CIA influence. This pope is a CIA pope, who was chosen by them. Project Gladio, for example, was a large CIA operation that heavily utilized priests and bishops in South America---and formed Bergoglio who would today claim to be pope.

Time Magazine is a CIA magazine. It was created to steer American culture towards their ends. It does not surprise me at all that Time Magazine was involved in this way with Vatican II hijinks. I am ashamed my government was involved in things as evil as this.

It is said that even the Third Secret of Fatima spoke of an evil council:

https://www.fromrome.info/2020/05/27/ratzinger-vs-the-benedict-bot-a-case-in-point-the-3rd-secret-of-fatima/

Anyway, for those interested, I say again: we currently have a CIA Church and a CIA pope. Antipope.

https://forge-and-anvil.com/2020/11/19/a-u-s-deep-state-pope-and-its-implications-for-you/

Blogger Steve Canyon May 18, 2021 11:24 AM  

For what it's worth, my devout Catholic mother and her family have been attending a service performed in Latin. This came from their reading an article written by a priest that performed exorcisms that stated that exorcisms were far more effective when the rite was read in Latin instead of one of the approved translations. Satan apparently does not dig Latin all that much.

http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2016/02/the-devil-hates-latin-says-exorcist.html#.YKPcLLXHLIU

Blogger Matamoros May 18, 2021 11:33 AM  

A good quote in this regard: "The Church is a perpetually defeated thing that always outlives her conquerers."

Hilaire Belloc

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 18, 2021 11:43 AM  

Matamoros wrote:And to answer your question, should we leave Christ because of Judas? Certainly not, nor should we leave Christ's Church because of evil men.
Christ's Church is not your denomination, and vise versa.

All this talk about how the magisterium isn't really corrupt because the obviously corrupt magisterium isn't really the magisterium because it's really corrupt is just a bunch of hokey BS. The unavoidable fact is that all the denominations are human institutions, and all human institutions will eventually turn from God.

Blogger Scott May 18, 2021 11:54 AM  

Catholicism is what happens when you try to merge Christianity with Greco-Roman paganism. Both end up watered down.

Blogger Cappuccinobear May 18, 2021 12:06 PM  

From what I've heard, 1962-1965 was a very notable time period of change in the USA culture.

Blogger Shane Bradman May 18, 2021 12:16 PM  

Matamoros, Robert de Mattei had an excellent book on Vatican 2 which digs into what specifically happened at the "ecumenical" council. Il Concilio Vaticano II. Una storia mai scritta.

Blogger Elder Son May 18, 2021 12:18 PM  

And then Jesus said, where two or more are gather in the name of the Catholic Church, there I am in the midst of them.

And then Jesus said, on that day, I will say I never knew you, unless you are Catholic.

And then Jesus said, the teachings of the Catholic Church can not be undone, so listen to my series of supreme pontiffs in whom I have given primacy to.

Blogger Fr. VF May 18, 2021 12:56 PM  

The Satanists never issue anything that claims to be Magisterium. Well-instructed Catholics are not duped into following false teaching. But the Satanists have installed an impostor and have signed the Church to promote every current hoax--carbon, climate, infinite Third World invasion, the virus, the "vaccine"...

Blogger Imwill May 18, 2021 1:23 PM  

What you believe “is the real church” is irrelevant to the works of satan being performed by the church you attend every Sunday. (Sunday worship itself being pagan apostasy)

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 18, 2021 1:31 PM  

I guess all of Christendom is ultimately doomed since it relies on how one interprets the Bible or stuff that happened 2000 years ago....Christians are no better than SJWs in that regard.

Blogger Scott May 18, 2021 1:37 PM  

One example would be the Quakers, as they have no clerical hierarchy, as they have no clerics. As they are strict pacifists they also have little influence other than charity.

Blogger Scott May 18, 2021 1:37 PM  

One example would be the Quakers, as they have no clerical hierarchy, as they have no clerics. As they are strict pacifists they also have little influence other than charity.

Blogger Scott May 18, 2021 1:37 PM  

One example would be the Quakers, as they have no clerical hierarchy, as they have no clerics. As they are strict pacifists they also have little influence other than charity.

Blogger Chent May 18, 2021 2:01 PM  

And then Jesus said: "confess directly to God" and not "to those that you forgive the sins, they are forbidden"

And Jesus said:"unless you don't believe in the Bible that will be written decades after my ressurrection and will be recognized by the Church 400 years after my ressurrection, you are not my disciples". "Peter, James, I don't see you reading a future book. You are damned"

And Jesus said: "any believer is a rock so I will found the Church upon millions of rocks"

And Jesus said: "Father, that my disciples are one. Hence I want 30 thousands Protestant churches"

Look, Elder Son, this is not a place to refight the Reformation. I only wanted to show you that everybody can do what you do

Blogger Unknown May 18, 2021 2:15 PM  

@32 One explanation would be that Latin is dead, and so the meaning of words cannot be changed.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock May 18, 2021 3:15 PM  

Twenty grand a month (and that's just what he admitted to) in the mid-60s for "information"? Yeah, plenty of whores of all varieties retired on the cash they made at those parties.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock May 18, 2021 3:18 PM  

The unavoidable fact is that all the denominations are human institutions, and all human institutions will eventually turn from God.

The first commandment of humans in groups.Between the lust for power, the greed and the SJWs who have always been with us, human institutions are constantly one memo away from complete collapse.

Blogger papabear May 18, 2021 4:01 PM  

Guess this will be a thread for pro- and anti-papacy polemics.

Blogger bob kek mando May 18, 2021 4:26 PM  

just for reference, $20k in 1962 is approx equal to $175,000 per month today. that's over $2 million a year. for "entertainment expenses". not counting the salary of the "reporter".

$2 mill a year will buy a lot of pizza and hot dogs.

Blogger Elder Son May 18, 2021 4:41 PM  

Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples." And he said to them, "When you pray, pray to my mother and say: "Hail, Mary, full of grace." And don't forget to conjure up other dead saints too, ya know, like King Saul. Extra bonus if you pray facing the Phallus in front of the supreme pontiffs temple where my Fathers New Jerusalem will descend upon.

Blogger Elder Son May 18, 2021 5:05 PM  

@45

Christ Jesus: For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.

There is your Church. Nowhere does it say it is dependent on one being a Catholic. Or any other denomination. I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. It's not that hard.

His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ Wait! Wait! Have you been following the diktats of my series of supreme rock pontiffs in whom I have given rock primacy to?

Caesarea Philippi --> Mt. Hermon --> where Christ was Transfigured --> On this Rock, I will build my Church. What is the significance of Mt. Hermon? I'll leave it all up to you to search it out. Actually, both Catholics and Protestants get it wrong.

Blogger M Cephas May 18, 2021 5:58 PM  

I think the Vatican 2 Council is not necessarily the problem. The satanic infiltrators in their Church will misinterpret whatever council or document the Church comes out with. They need to be taken out. Changing some words on a paper isn't going to make them go away.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 May 18, 2021 6:08 PM  

That priest in V for Vendetta wasn't baseless fiction.

Blogger Joe May 18, 2021 6:26 PM  

Great book:
https://www.fidelitypress.org/john-courtney-murray

Blogger Colonel Blimp May 18, 2021 6:28 PM  

And just for comparison roughly 5k a day to throw parties in swanky parts of Rome isn't that much. Especially for 50 plus people. But in 1960s Rome 20k a month was a lot.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 18, 2021 8:58 PM  

First Christians: “Hey guys, I know God Almighty set up a structured religious institution before Jesus came. But now that He’s come and gone, let’s blow off the special instructions Christ shared, and let’s go out and have a lot of disorganized interpretations as to what it all meant, okay? We’ll get around to having everything in a codex in a few hundred years, and we’ll fully realize this arrangement in a millennium and a half, okay?”

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 18, 2021 8:59 PM  

“Great book:
https://www.fidelitypress.org/john-courtney-murray”

Absolutely.

Blogger weka May 18, 2021 10:17 PM  

No. This is the thread for discussing how the communists and atheists almost succeeded in destroying the faith in all the mainline Prot groups and the RCC
It is merely that the RCC's apostasy is better documented.

What the promethians did not account for was Latin masses, sedevacantism, the pushback from Lutheran and Reformed, and the move to the bapticostals if the Mani line churches doubled down in error.

Blogger Autarky Bear May 19, 2021 1:52 AM  

Vatican 2 will go down as the worst mistake the Church ever made. Modernist will is this era's major error.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 19, 2021 8:18 AM  

Laramie Hirsch wrote:...let’s go out and have a lot of disorganized interpretations as to what it all meant, okay?...
That's pretty rich, coming from a schismatic cult whose heretical fringes are into goddess-worship.

Blogger Leo Littlebook ID:16216229492837658552 May 19, 2021 9:30 AM  

As long as there are poor, there will be Communists.

As long as there are illiterates, there will be Catholics.

As long as there are literalists, there will be Baptists.

As long as there are fat women, there will be feminists.

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 19, 2021 10:51 AM  

@60 When its all said and done, we might as well call it Iscariot II.

Blogger Melvin May 20, 2021 8:05 AM  

@62

Leo, I'm curious, in your little book do you have any constructive suggestions for remedying those "problems"?!

Blogger Synonym May 20, 2021 4:56 PM  

@laramie hirsch, 31
Time being a CIA magazine is fairly clear, but what does that then mean of Putin's appearance on Time magazine in that infamous silly pose sitting like a spooky all powerful king on a throne? He clearly had to cooperate with Time for the photo shoot. He was just okay with this??? If CIA has since become passe and was hijacked by some supranational entity who uses CIA's tools, his cooperation would make a lot for sense. Otherwise, why would he be so childish to cooperate with something so silly? Unless of course, he's a CIA or supranational beast system puppet? The CIA option would be bizarre, but not unthinkable as he was specially chosen for power by Yeltsin who was installed with USG help, which TIME magazine boasted about shortly after he was elected into office I believe.

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