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Monday, May 31, 2021

China chooses life

In case it isn't entirely clear that China has rejected the Prometheans and their path to national suicide through empire, China skeptics can't even point to the now-outdated One-Child Policy anymore:

China is making a major change in how its citizens can form a family. Monday, the Chinese Communist Party said it would allow married couples to have as many as three children to combat the country’s aging population.

Got that? Couples in China are now allowed to have a third child.

The change comes five years after Beijing ended its infamous “one-child policy” to allow couples to keep a second child.

State-run, Xi Jinping-approved Xinhua News Agency says the new policy will “improve the country’s population structure, actively implement the national strategy to respond to the aging population, and maintain the country’s demographic advantage.”

And if the mere permission doesn't work, who here doesn't believe that China won't be ruthless enough to offer serious financial incentives to married couples? Especially when Hungary is already providing lifetime waivers on personal income tax for women raising at least four children and large vehicle subsidies for large families.

Meanwhile, in the rapidly declining imperial USA, parents are being socially incentivized to put their little boys in dresses and sterilize their little girls with hormone blockers and surgery. 

This is why it is silly to pronounce any nation dead due to sub-replacement birth rates. In less than one generation, a single determined nationalist at the helm can turn it around. On the plus side, WWIII looks increasingly unlikely, by virtue of being unnecessary.

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Blogger Brett baker May 31, 2021 1:22 PM  

But immigrants are so much more pliable than natives in an advanced country!

Blogger Owen May 31, 2021 1:27 PM  

It’s good that they are officially allowing the proletariat to breed again. The elites already have a ton of illegitimate children and they feel no shame about it; to the contrary, they shower them with money.

Blogger RadixMalorum May 31, 2021 1:34 PM  

I'm hoping they do the incentives right. Just having more children isn't necessarily a good thing. The type and quality of the children matters too. It won't help China if it gets an explosion of minority, lower IQ, non-Han births.

I like the incentive program used by Hungary. Although it could be better if the tax income wavier be for the husband instead of the woman since that will encourage the woman to stay home and have more kids and more people to marry.

Blogger Canadian Warlord May 31, 2021 1:35 PM  

>>>Article links to Doomberg with its "economists' forecasts":
"The policy change was quickly mocked on Chinese social media, with many people lamenting the fact that couples from single-child households would now have to raise three children while supporting four elderly parents and repay heavy mortgage debt. It also triggered concerns over women’s employment, with some saying that it will become even harder for females to get a job as companies are unlikely to be willing to shoulder the costs."
>>>So... China may have had enough of feminism. Maybe their workplaces are filling up with opinionated bitches?

As to the situation at large, it's possible China gamed for a generation of surplus men in case they're needed for a war. But eventually surplus men can be a destabilizing factor together with economic collapse, which can never be far from the Chinese Bureaucrat's subconcious worries. China _could_ certainly internalize its economy and build Western-19th-century-style, but it obviously prefers the globalist model of high corporate profits and low wages through export to keep the people in their place.

Blogger Just So May 31, 2021 1:55 PM  

China is playing 12-Dimensional Chess.
We are playing Transvestite Story Time.

I used to say we will lose the next war.
I stand corrected, we already lost.

Blogger MrVegas May 31, 2021 1:55 PM  

One of the strange behaviors of the FauciCCP virus that was noticed initially is that how it largely only affects the elderly.

Most infectious diseases take out the very old and the very young. The very young (and up to age 25) are not affected by this particular virus in any significant way.

If you were a country with an aging population of 'useless feeders' what better way to clear out all those high density apartments. You can continue to spend money building new cities - or efficiently re-use existing infrastructure.

Heck, most governments around the world would like to 'put their old folks on an iceberg' too.

Blogger Tomato bear May 31, 2021 2:02 PM  

Good point vox,

Do you think the debt level of Chinese youth would hinder population bounce?

A lot of Chinese youth today are very very customed to their "lifestyle".

Those that are, won't have kids under my observation.

Thanks for all you do.

Blogger The Harlequin Romance of Neutron Bombs May 31, 2021 2:03 PM  

I don't think it's as easy as you say for one determined nationalist to turn it around in a generation. Russia has been in permanent demographic decline since Stalin, despite the best efforts of Putin who fits that description, and who is trying, and so far failing.

The truth is that in an agrarian society, there is every natural incentive to have more children. In the post modern one (or whatever you call this hellscape we are living in), the natural incentives are fewer, if they exist at all, so the government has to create them (incentives, not babies, although I suppose that's a whole nuther discussion).

But once you have "liberated" a woman to live a hedonistic lifestyle in which she can make lots of money, have few or no responsibilities, and receive all the attention from disposable and replaceable men that she wants, all the way into middle age, how are you supposed to convince her that it's a better deal to stay home and raise kids? Yes she eventually ends up an old wine drinking cat lady, but the 20 years of hedonism on the front end of that are incomparable. People can offer her things that are more enduring or valuable than those 20 years of hedonism, but they can offer her nothing that compares with it. And miracles of modern medicine and cosmetology keep extending this hedonistic window.

Blogger Azimus May 31, 2021 2:11 PM  

I understand this is a war, a spiritual war, and there are certain pragmatisms that must be observed. This is mathematically and measurably less ruthless than the murderous one-child policy, but it is still a murderous and ruthless policy, and it is still denying the people of China their God-given rights to fill the earth and have as many children as they personally see fit.

Here's hoping that this is just a transitional step to abandoning the demonic policy altogether.

Blogger map May 31, 2021 2:13 PM  

"the Chinese Communist Party said it would allow married couples to have as many as three children to combat the country’s aging population."

And that is why China is not "Communist." It is National Socialist.

Blogger Azimus May 31, 2021 2:24 PM  

A possible solution to all this depopulation is to have the social security system mirror God's social security system: parents who have more children, get more retirement pension. If you have no children, you get a certain base that prevents starvation, but the parents who give the best years of their lives to raising 2, 4, 6, 8 healthy, well-balanced and non-felonious children to adulthood should get a pension that allows you to live like the village squire, because if you go back to 1750 that's pretty much how it went.

Basing your retirement pension on wage, while necessary to some extent, has lost the meaning it had the 1930's, when the bulk of society grew, mined, fabricated or repaired something for a living - wealth-building or wealth-preserving work. Off the top of my head I don't know what % of the workforce engages in wealth-building or wealth-preserving work, most people now seem to work cost-adding jobs like the stocker at Walmart, the real estate agent, the public school teacher, the insurance adjustor, banker, building inspector, director of diversity and inclusion, etc. etc. etc. It seems like the people that contribute the least are paid the most... so the US social security system needs an upgrade to more realistic metrics for the system's preservation. I say this knowing its too late for the US, but maybe a future wealthy and prosperous nation that inhabits these lands will build a system with fundamentally more sound precepts, and anything that is aligned with God's way of doing things is going to be fundamentally sound...

Blogger AM Apprentice May 31, 2021 2:26 PM  

There is a theory that the aim of China's One Child Policy was always to create an one million plus army of men with no families of their own, basically a huge cannon fodder.

Blogger The Observer May 31, 2021 2:26 PM  

Monday, the Chinese Communist Party said it would allow married couples to have as many as three children to combat the country’s aging population.

Important here: married couples. No R-selection, no baby mamas, married couples.

And if the mere permission doesn't work, who here doesn't believe that China won't be ruthless enough to offer serious financial incentives to married couples? Especially when Hungary is already providing lifetime waivers on personal income tax for women raising at least four children and large vehicle subsidies for large families.

Financial incentives haven't worked for Singapore which is majority Han Chinese; the combination of urbanisation, feminism and social status striving instead of productive family-rearing have ensured that shelling out cash at the problem has done diddly squat to bump the rate above replacement.

Patriarchy and the end of female emancipation are required for any turnaround, but that's never been achieved save through hardship and collapse. Any nationalist leader who actually wants to do something about it has to be able to weather the inevitable assault by promethean priests, who do not like competing religions and will bring all they have to bear upon the offender. In that regard, China is in a better position given that the flow of untramelled filth from the hellmouth is at least sieved a little and can't be bombed into submission like no-name nations. They could do more, though.

Blogger LZ May 31, 2021 2:27 PM  

China is still running hard in the other direction with policies such as urbanization, but yes, they understand the problem. China has jailed feminists and researchers have been saying very traditional things about women, marriage and childbearing without being cancelled. Divorce is becoming harder. They also know progressivism and feminism are bad ideas because they specifically promoted those ideas in Xinjiang province to crush Uighur fertility rates. They know what works and what doesn't, and it looks like they're heading for another Deng moment. As I put it in the title of a post, "Who Cares If It Is a Black Cat or a White Cat, As Long As It Has Babies?

Blogger SDaly May 31, 2021 2:34 PM  

Are you sure about that? The natives in advanced countries have proven to be extremely pliable.

Blogger SupersonicG May 31, 2021 2:45 PM  

China doesn't have one generation, no one does. Just over 11 years.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 May 31, 2021 3:02 PM  

The Harlequin Romance of Neutron Bombs wrote:I don't think it's as easy as you say for one determined nationalist to turn it around in a generation. Russia has been in permanent demographic decline since Stalin, despite the best efforts of Putin who fits that description, and who is trying, and so far failing.

The truth is that in an agrarian society, there is every natural incentive to have more children. In the post modern one (or whatever you call this hellscape we are living in), the natural incentives are fewer, if they exist at all, so the government has to create them (incentives, not babies, although I suppose that's a whole nuther discussion).

But once you have "liberated" a woman to live a hedonistic lifestyle in which she can make lots of money, have few or no responsibilities, and receive all the attention from disposable and replaceable men that she wants, all the way into middle age, how are you supposed to convince her that it's a better deal to stay home and raise kids? Yes she eventually ends up an old wine drinking cat lady, but the 20 years of hedonism on the front end of that are incomparable. People can offer her things that are more enduring or valuable than those 20 years of hedonism, but they can offer her nothing that compares with it. And miracles of modern medicine and cosmetology keep extending this hedonistic window.


You may need to look at the Russian numbers.
1> Life expectancy, especially among males has increase.
2> Population decline is still there but has been steadily changing for the better. Current 2021 estimates was 0.02% decline. That is with a "global pandemic" (which is laughable). I won't be surprised if by end of 2021 or 2022 that Russia will have net positive.

See: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/population-growth-rate

Blogger BD May 31, 2021 3:08 PM  

World War III has been going on for a few years already. The first overt signal of it were Merkel's hordes back in 2015. But to be honest, I don't think the moniker of WWIII is enough to encompass the enormity and totality of the battle raging on everyday.

Blogger Paddy J S May 31, 2021 3:20 PM  

Ireland has joined Europe with it's collapsing birth rate and full on abortion. Shameful
But no doubt Irelands elite are happy. We are one of the club.

Blogger Tom May 31, 2021 3:23 PM  

China needs colonists for their new domains in the continent which will soon no longer be called Africa.

Blogger shadohand (akuma sock account# 7373636 ...crazy only responds to crazy) May 31, 2021 3:31 PM  

"This is why it is silly to pronounce any nation dead due to sub-replacement birth rates. In less than one generation, a single determined nationalist at the helm can turn it around."

Was thinking about this the other day. Oldest Millennials are turning 40 this year.
Youngest are 25. Degenerate X is a lost cause at this point. But those Millennials have them out numbered.

The Greatest Generation, which gave us the Baby Boom was born from 1901-1927. So they were 41 to 17 when the war started. Five years later they were 46 and 22, when they started popping out Our favorite G-G-Generation. If White Millennials start popping out kids in the next couple of years, and I bet they do, there won't be a problem with birth rates.

The only problem is finding one who hasn't been branded with a Mental Health Diagnosis that is a Nationalist. We are looking for a Needle in the Solar System here. Because when they start taking over that's going to be a big discussion, and almost all of them think Mental Illness exists, especially the White Women.

Blogger Ms. Pepe Kay Green May 31, 2021 3:36 PM  

This Chinese Army recruiting video idealizes traditional femininity and motherhood and almost brought tears to my eyes, and I'm not even Chinese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYtA-IYBuYU Given birth control and abortion, and if women are taught their only value is sexuality and the ability to compete with men intellectually and physically, they will not risk that for love nor money. Even fat or obviously ugly women will cling to their vanity or their intellectual superiority -- don't laugh, I have listened to them gloat. Women will only risk stretch marks if motherhood is again made societally approved, given high status, and widely considered an attractive role. We are such impressionable creatures. Motherhood is closely tied to patriotism. A generation can be lost to abortion, but a nation can be renewed if its leadership never forgot love of country. Despite all the warnings we received about communism in Russia and China, they never embraced the destruction of their own national feeling as the West has since WWII.

Blogger Damn Crackers May 31, 2021 3:56 PM  

It looks like we will have to double and triple our funding to our CIA-led Tranny Op team's China Division. That will stop their unbridled nationalism!

I also love their motto, "No Xi, more SHE!"

Blogger DYOR May 31, 2021 3:57 PM  

See, a communist dictatorship does have its good points but it's still very bad and must be prevented from spreading completely to the West at all costs.

Blogger lynnjynh9315 May 31, 2021 4:08 PM  

Hormone-blockers are just icing.

Feminism and abortion were more than enough to drive America into the ground.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 31, 2021 4:26 PM  

@11

"A possible solution to all this depopulation is to have the social security system mirror God's social security system: parents who have more children, get more retirement pension."

The entire purpose of "social security" systems is to delink the likelihood of geriatric prosperity from progeny. Decades ago I remember reading that paying homage to Malthus was an explicit design consideration of Bismarck. I cannot find it now, but it was in an obscure place, perhaps not digitized or easily found.

As for China's allowance of additional progeny, allowing it doesn't make it happen-certainly not overnight. "Laws are sand, customs are rock". We've seen people become accustomed to obstructing their breathing and treating others like disease bearing rats in weeks. The Chinese have been subjected to decades of procreative restraint. Some will still adhere to the old restraints just as idiots are still driving around in their cars alone wearing powder blue masks.

However, the Chinese appear to have taken the first step to fixing a problem, they've acknowledged it. Their "allowance" of a third child is still state restraint on procreation, so it is a half hearted measure.

As noted however, we are still descending into a moral abyss on our way to oblivion.

There's a reason Pope John Paull II made reference to the CULTURE of death and it looks increasingly like we are exploring the boundaries not just of physical death, but moral and spiritual death.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 31, 2021 4:34 PM  

Trump had 4 years to at least propose the same incentives, even if globohomo would have shot them down. The sentiment alone would have made a difference. All I saw from him was "Women, Blacks, and Hispanics have more jobs now!" and "More H1B visas!"

A true nationalist is indeed one we need.

Blogger RadixMalorum May 31, 2021 4:37 PM  

LZ wrote:As I put it in the title of a post, "Who Cares If It Is a Black Cat or a White Cat, As Long As It Has Babies?

I'd care if those black cats end up with low IQ averages and and are a drain on the tax system. Birth rates isn't the only important thing. What gets born is the difference between continued civilization or collapse.

Blogger DYOR May 31, 2021 5:17 PM  

Sad to see the sons of mothers from a nation being trained to kill the sons of mothers of other nations. Really a sad indictment of mankind. Thank the Lord that eventually He will put a stop to all this madness.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock May 31, 2021 5:26 PM  

China skeptics can't even point to the now-outdated One-Child Policy anymore:

They should never have been pointing to it, giving so many of them are promoting what amounts to a no-child policy.

Not that that's very hard: all they have to do is appeal to humans' basic tendency towards taking the path of least resistance. Kids are a lot of work, and a lot of people simply can't be arsed, and creating a social climate making that not just OK but the "proper" choice doesn't require any strong arm tactics.



Blogger Peter C May 31, 2021 5:26 PM  

Vox has already been proven right by history. Ceausescu managed through strict abortion restrictions in Romania in the 70s to massively increase birthrate. The only problem is that when the abortion restrictions were lifted after the regime change and massive emigration to the West was allowed, the birthrate and the population took a nosedive and the pensioners born in that past generation are going to be a huge financial burden on the working adults.

So it's not going to be a problem for the CCP to do it, since they have at least as much control on the population.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock May 31, 2021 5:32 PM  

the parents who give the best years of their lives to raising 2, 4, 6, 8 healthy, well-balanced and non-felonious children to adulthood should get a pension that allows you to live like the village squire, because if you go back to 1750 that's pretty much how it went.

No, it didn't. Where do you get your history? Poor people having more children invariably makes their lot worse. The point of Social Security is right there in the name; what is needed to return to those origins instead of the "retirement plan of last resort".

Any government program to incentive anything is usually a terrible plan that only gets worse over time, especially given the amount of obvious fraud and the nature of our "leaders". I mean, have we already forgotten yesterday's post about the mass grave of indigenous children?

Blogger Doom May 31, 2021 6:16 PM  

Three? For now. When you mold and force, this or that, people get out. They realize they have no real choice or power. If tomorrow, China decided to go back to the one child policy? They may just post-partum abort whatever number they see fit. No one trusts them. Plus, women have gotten used to "freedom". Difficult to get that cat back in the bag, we know.

Desperate measures. Only forcing women out of education, out of employment, and absolutely slashing "safety nets" for single women, mothers, and unwed mothers, and gifting that to working fathers, might turn things around. Good luck with that too. But... it might be coming. And the other thing? They don't need more children, purely. They need more girls/women. And a secure middle class, with upward potential. They have no chance. Same with Russia. And it looks like even the West, from Europe to America, is pretty much at an end. Just the age of people... the fertility potential isn't really there.

The third worlders will be all that is left. Well, and their cockroach brethren.

Blogger Peter May 31, 2021 6:29 PM  

A billion people? Does anyone really trust them, or their math?

Blogger VFM #7634 May 31, 2021 6:54 PM  

@31 Peter C

It was far easier to goose the birth rate in Romania (and it was in 1967 to be precise when Ceausescu's policy kicked in) than it would be in China now. In Romania, contraceptives were banned entirely and most people were still rural. Scrapping one-child only gave a minor bump upward for a single year in China, where most people, including most crucially the young women, now live in cities, and the rural areas are increasingly dominated by aging bachelors.

Blogger Newscaper312 May 31, 2021 7:41 PM  

@Tom
Re Africa, are the Han Chinese any better suited than whites to the equatorial heat and malaria infested lands of central Africa?
The Chinese laborers who helped build the western end of the US transcontinental railroad were tough bastards, but that's not quite the same thing.

Blogger Newscaper312 May 31, 2021 7:54 PM  

@Ms Pepe

Not sure if it's just a Southern thing, but there is still a stratum of white society in the cities w the upper-upper middle class where it is bragging rights for a women to be married to a high enough status and income guy to have ability to be a stay at home mom several years, for multiple kids (3 or 4?), while still having lots of nice toys.
Problem is you have people in the level or two below that who still have some lifestyle expectations who can't afford that and have a mom who still works, or they only have 1 or 2 kids instead.
Sort of a reproductive version of the welfare cliff, where someone gets screwed for working at the bottom end.

Section 8 and earlier school busing integration hurt families in so many ways, w paying rape housing prices to get in an area w "good schools", or otherwise pay private/parochial tuition for multiple kids.

I've made the point, in vain, that if Catholic Church wants more vocations, step 1 is making it easier to have larger families, with cheaper parochial school tuition, and aggressive multi hold discounts like the old days. Few are going to wholeheartedly support an only son becoming a childless priest. Celibacy being another area where arguably time to bend.
Cheap schools>more kids>more priests us a better use of $$ than sending it overseas, or worse, spending it on it migrants brought here (FU Catholic Social Services).

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 31, 2021 8:03 PM  

Patriarchy = high birth rates. Feminism and women's "equal rights" = low birth rates. Trying to persuade couples to have more (or any) children -- which means persuading the woman in the modern "equal" couple -- while keeping sexual equality is going to be very difficult. Offering money might help a little around the edges, but in most cases, lack of money isn't the reason couples aren't having kids. They aren't having kids because the wife doesn't respect the husband because he doesn't have headship over her, and she always has one foot out the door in case she gets a chance to trade up. And now, after a couple generations of women's rule in the home, many men have figured it out and either don't marry or aren't in a big hurry to produce a bunch of kids that they may soon have to fight to see every other weekend.

Offer men patriarchy, the chance to have headship over their wives and be backed up in that by Church, state, and society, and they'll make lots of babies. They'll have to get the women in line first, but they'll do that if that's the prize and the state doesn't make it illegal.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 31, 2021 10:12 PM  

A kid in the college aimed class is $250,000 conspicuous consumption walking around. Good manners, skills in sports or tech or music or art, some volunteer work---four of them is one way to show off a million dollars of spending. You don't even need to have the million.

I have four, my friends have four, and we are all in that stratum. The ones with three explain why they can't have the fourth. It is usually a heartbreaking reason of physical limits.

Black women have children that they expect to have jobs, military or sports. They have a lower average financial show, but a higher upper end- pro athlete. The sons know what is expected- "Buy Mama a house." It shows they are a man.

Blogger Azimus May 31, 2021 10:25 PM  

@ Teleport me off this rock
"No, it didn't, where do you get your history"

Dude, chill. There is context here that I didn't feel I needed to lay out in a 2 page treatise as a premise to my throw-away blog comment. The context is not the 2-dollar-whore of East London getting pregnant 18x by the maritime labor force on shore leave, the context is stable, productive families supporting each other inter-generationally before the era of free money just for breathing from the state.

Someone with 8 well-balanced, productive, non-fellon children was far better off in old age than someone who had none, I suspect you can agree with this notion logically without needing the birth/death and estate assessment records of colonials in 1750.

This was a natural return on the invested time and energy of rearing said children. I'm sure contrary examples exist, but they are irrelevent - the reality in 1750 is the reality today - the living who are incapable of economically supporting themselves must receive that support from elsewhere, and the largest two subsets of that group are children, and the old. Ergo, in 1750 as today, the old turn to the productive for support, and that was, in Christian society, the first reaponsibility of the offspring, and to some extent the church. So, we should emulate that natural God-given system with this system, and perhaps it wouldn't be as much of a disaster.





Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 31, 2021 10:36 PM  

Doktor Jeep wrote:Trump had 4 years to at least propose the same incentives ...
I am beginning to suspect that Trump accomplished all of his major goals in those 4 years. If he didn't at least make an effort at something, it's because he had no intention of going there.
Doktor Jeep wrote:A true nationalist is indeed one we need.
True. Trump was great when you compare him to his satanic, anti-American predecessors. That still leaves him totally inadequate to the job that must be done.

Blogger cyrus83 June 01, 2021 12:22 AM  

With China, it's not the sub-replacement birth rates that are a problem, since it is not importing foreigners to make up the difference. The problem is their policies have produced a gender imbalance that will leave an awful lot of young men unable to find a wife. According to China's official demographics, the disparity is large among those under age 25, and they're just getting to the marriageable age now. The imbalance affects those born from 1995 to the present as all of those age brackets have so many men at least 10% will be unable to marry under a monogamous arrangement.

China's easiest solution is one the West will probably fall for, to export millions of young Chinese men from these age brackets to Western nations to marry their women.

Blogger KnightTemplarr June 01, 2021 1:19 AM  

I watch a Chinese shows. I never intended to but they almost always feature get married young and have kids. They tend to encourage making money, entrepreneurship, chastity and often having kids. The men and women work together but the man’s decision is the household’s decision.

The male leads in shows aimed at high school to college age is frequently the acknowledged smartest guy in the school. He is always tall, fit, and if not an athlete at least physically competent. In every Chinese or Korean show fat people are called fatty by everyone including their parents.

I watched one named ‘My Little Happiness’ and the supporting characters were both small business owners one owned a bookshop the other a small BBQ restaurant. The bookseller gave her wealth of nations and recommend to her ‘The Great Game’ “as how the Americans built their capital markets.” Which seems pretty crazy.

The production quality is high, the music both score and pop music is high quality specifically for the series. The shows aren’t gross like Hollywood shows.

There tends to be no political talk, maybe an international story. I have seen one where there was a two or three episode subplot of bureaucratic red tape stopping a Mom&Pop restaurant from opening. The wife asking the husband to ask a former schoolmate to use his newly promoted political power to cut through the red tape. He refuses as it is wrong to do so, then later relents. The old schoolmate happily gets them the inspection and licenses right away.

I’m not defending China. I think it does support Vox’s observations that China understands the importance of movies and tv. The obvious critique would be unreal expectations that a smart, handsome, and rich guy meets a smart and pretty girl and that are both chaste.

If any UATV staff is reading this, if you haven’t already done it you should checkout the Viki website or Roku app. They crowdsource their translations by teams dedicated to the an individual show. They have the best translations with lots of cultural notes. They have online tools that the teams use to make the translations. They give dedicated volunteers points for subscriptions. The site has tiered access but lots of free shows.

Blogger Frozen Territory June 01, 2021 2:44 AM  

Now now, the Wal-Mart stocker does a useful and necessary job. The rest of those parasites can bugger off however.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 01, 2021 3:14 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:Offer men patriarchy, the chance to have headship over their wives and be backed up in that by Church, state, and society, and they'll make lots of babies.

You don't "offer men patriarchy". They either are patriarchs and take it for themselves or they aren't. Men who wait for others to do the hard work for them and take all the benefits aren't patriarchs. They are gammas.

Don't forget the vast majority of human history is dominated by patriarchy and the current feminist influence comprise only a tiny sliver of time and it's already collapsing in on itself. Patriarchy is the natural human hierarchy and it will naturally be restored one way or another.

Blogger John Rockwell June 01, 2021 4:35 AM  

Oh it would be ironic if the CCP rides to the rescue of Heritage Americans and those involved in the Jan 6 protests.

MAGA sponsored by China LOL.

Blogger FrankNorman June 01, 2021 5:13 AM  

@45

Okay tough guy - now let's discuss the situation where taking it will result in the police showing up, because Equality.

If you want society to a system rigged in favor of all small elite of "winners" - well, don't expect much support in that from anyone else.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 01, 2021 8:02 AM  

Just because you put a purple robe on a man doesn't mean he will know how to act like a king.

Blogger Storm Rhode June 01, 2021 8:30 AM  

3 is a bad number of children. 1 is left out because they pair up. 4 or 6 would be better.

Blogger Maniac June 01, 2021 8:43 AM  

Too little, too late - they don't even want to have kids anymore.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-pivot-3-child-policy-085620334.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

Blogger Unknown June 01, 2021 9:08 AM  

The aging of populations is caused by modern medicine prolonging life, and no Ponzi program, whether it's mass immigration or government birthing schemes, will seriously reverse it, for the simple reason that the young and the immigrant will get old too. It would probably take an average of 4 or 5 children to reverse the aging population which will overwhelm the resources of China. The only solution to that would be seizing other peoples land. But the program will probably fail.

Blogger Desert Screamer June 01, 2021 9:27 AM  

Now that they've wiped out a percentage of the population in the West with their Covi/death protocol/experimental injection scam, the Chinese are preparing their next expansionist movement via reproduction.

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 01, 2021 9:59 AM  

@RadixMalorum

I understood the phrase ‘offer men patriarchy’ to mean not making it illegal, nor stacking the laws against the husband.

How can a man “put his foot down” when a woman can immediately run to court and set all of the country's/society's legal apparatus in motion against him for simply speaking harshly or physically defending himself?

And “…physically defending himself…” is no joke. I knew a couple where the wife had temper tantrums and threw cast irom cookware in fits of rage… at her husband's head. Her boys, too.

The cops laughed when he tried to bring charges for missing him and almost hitting one of their boys.

Later during another fit he tried to simply restrain her. She swore charges of battery and abuse out on him and during the subsequent dissolution of their marriage she financially flayed poor slob; she took everything including the almost teen children.

The judge ignored or discounted both the testimony and wishes of the children, along with the physical evidence of her tantrums, the doctor and police reports.

Why? Because he was a man.

No, even alphas need the laws to rewritten so as to be at very least neutral to patriarchy.

Blogger Azimus June 01, 2021 10:06 AM  

49. Storm RhodeJune 01, 2021 8:30 AM
3 is a bad number of children. 1 is left out because they pair up. 4 or 6 would be better.


Ha! This is exactly the situation I grew up in w/2 sisters, and the exact conclusion I reached for my own family - that we should have 4 or 6. We ended up on 4.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 01, 2021 11:26 AM  

Maniac wrote:Too little, too late - they don't even want to have kids anymore.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-pivot-3-child-policy-085620334.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink


Do you think the Chinese government will take no for an answer? The current people in charge are technocrats. They care about results, not what is done to get to them.

A mix of incentives and punishments can get people to change their minds or at least acquiesce.

If the Chinese government can use policies to shrink the population growth down from 7 kids per family to 1 kid per family in a matter of a couple of generations presumably it can do the opposite. Chinese policies aren't hampered by special interests and voter considerations like in the west. They can be as heavy handed and as ruthless as it takes.

Blogger Azimus June 01, 2021 11:32 AM  



Correct. Whether the work is wealth-creating or not, does not mean the work is not useful or good. You'd be hard-pressed to justify the bill for 20 reconstructive surgeries on a burn victim as wealth-creating, but it is necessary, useful and good to have such surgeons. Same with Walmart clerks.

The problem is at the macro-economic level, when you count Walmart clerks in the millions - we can't maintain our standard of living by selling each other things - every month these clerks draw their wages to pay for the basics of life, and that is a net wealth drain. Either new wealth has to come from somewhere (fabbing things like cars and homes, raising crops, mining copper ore, but usually these days mostly debt) to replace that which was used on cost-of-living, costs have to be cut somehow (for example burning wood for heat), or the country's wealth diminishes by that amount, month after month after month.

There is always a certain amount of cost-add jobs that are necessary, and even beneficial - we like being waited on by pleasant and attractive young people at restaurants for example. But a healthy economy should have a critical mass of the workforce/businesses building the wealth for the nation. The US lost that critical mass, shooting from the hip, 30 years ago. The question is tech - is a programmer a wealth-adding job or not? I suppose the answer is "it depends on what they're working on", but at any rate the point might be moot, as the US is in the middle of losing this sector to low-cost nations anyway, faster than we lost our manufacturing sector.

No slight to Walmart clerks intended, I was one once!

Blogger RadixMalorum June 01, 2021 11:32 AM  

By My Greybeard! wrote:@RadixMalorum

I understood the phrase ‘offer men patriarchy’ to mean not making it illegal, nor stacking the laws against the husband.

How can a man “put his foot down” when a woman can immediately run to court and set all of the country's/society's legal apparatus in motion against him for simply speaking harshly or physically defending himself?


That line of thinking is precisely why patriarchs don't currently exist in the west. Do you think the patriarchs of the past were deterred by the legal apparatus? No. They smashed it with force and made their own legal apparatus on the bouncing rubble remains.

The current degenerate system won't last. It's already collapsing. The moment it can no longer sustain itself and things get bad enough the local patriarchy will reassert itself. Either that or society declines so much that it can no longer defend itself and gets conquered by another that has patriarchy.(Islam)

Like I said, one way or another patriarchy will dominate again. It's the natural state of mankind.


Blogger RadixMalorum June 01, 2021 11:51 AM  

FrankNorman wrote:@45

Okay tough guy - now let's discuss the situation where taking it will result in the police showing up, because Equality.

If you want society to a system rigged in favor of all small elite of "winners" - well, don't expect much support in that from anyone else.


Hate to break it to you but a system rigged in favor of all small elite of "winners" describes all of human history.
The difference that matters is who those small group of elites are and how closely are their interests aligned with that of the local population of the area they operate out of.

Blogger 5stonegames June 01, 2021 2:04 PM  

The policy is unlikely to have much in the way of results. There are currently serious food issues in China to the point that ostentatious waste will get your prison time. I have also heard the government there is preparing for serious shortages, for people to eat bitter though I cannot confirm it.

This will not encourage larger families.

China has been pushing two child fertility for some time and in English language state propaganda at ;east has noted little result. Now this was Shanghai an expensive city but the long and short, men can't afford what wives require. The public approach was strikingly like the one I see American natalists using "If you want another child don't analyze it too much just go have the child."

Also China has fewer incentives than you might think. No matter how its spun each additional child is an expense and having someones social credit score drop so say "Unless you have two children you can't go go to nice attractions." won't help as the family won't be able to go anyway since they won't have money. They won't have options either way.

Trying to goose fertility with one time payment when getting a child to adulthood take two decades or more is bad policy is not an outright insult.

To Radix's point about the Chinese government. Its not like Mao's time The party still has to worry about legitimacy and like any big organization has its factions and plenty of them would happily depose a disliked elite for their own people. The leaders go but the Party remains. This puts soft limits on party actions.



Blogger 5stonegames June 01, 2021 3:27 PM  

Sorry for a second post but no one needs a giant wall of text.

Ceausescu' plan got flooded with people no one would parent. You can force people to have kids but you can't make them raise them. That netted him an execution. Not a good plan.

Bluntly incentives don't work, the US has used them for years with child deduction and earned income tax credit. Once societies go urban and develop past a point, roughly color TV in most homes the fertility declines rapidly. Once declined, the culture shifts and it stays that way.

Its corrects over a long term. Religious and high fertility people along with rural people to a lesser degree have children and they replace the less fertile population.

This won't necessarily be Muslim, most Muslims adapt to the local fertility level. It certainly won't be Muslims in China for obvious reasons. If China hasn't destroyed the genetic stock of high fertility people along with its original culture, they will recover. Otherwise they may well not.

A social hack is possible maybe.

Given a long time frame, a coupe of centuries or less, the population will decline to sustainable level. If industrial society survives, to a a level where wages meet cost of living. If it doesn't, it becomes an agrarian society. Theoretically in a couple of centuries the US will be majority Amish and vastly more religious.

In that sense the war is won and baring automated genocide, the elite will fail.

Also, most of human history was hunter gatherers and while elites did have slightly better cuts of meat, probably, such societies had fairly high levels of equality. 300k years of that vs 10K civilization is a very different evolutionary path than the current 1% gets everything

This produces high amounts of pressure especially in the post modern world and as a result the current high tech society will not be sustained either destroyed, failed do to resources or people will stop participating in it. We've had 50 years of the later and no sign of it slowing down. I'd suspect that in time, it will just fall to a more sustainable level of complexity and what is considered to be a sufficient level of fairness.

Blogger xevious2030 June 01, 2021 4:55 PM  

"Do you think the patriarchs of the past were deterred by the legal apparatus? No. They smashed it with force and made their own legal apparatus on the bouncing rubble remains."

Amen brother.

If you allow lawyers, judges, and sheriffs to be decisionmakers in your family, you’re not the man of the house. And, if you’re not the man of the house, she will leave you, because you provide consent by female penis.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 01, 2021 5:25 PM  

5stonegames wrote:Once societies go urban and develop past a point, roughly color TV in most homes the fertility declines rapidly.
It's hard to believe, but the evidence shows that most folks prefer TV to making babies.

Blogger Jack Nickle June 01, 2021 6:32 PM  

“ Bluntly incentives don't work, the US has used them for years with child deduction and earned income tax credit.”

Because the incentives are a joke.

The fear they sell women is a fear of missing out on a career and an education. Any incentives you offer have to fix that fear.

You need strong enough incentives that the women who have kids early are in a much better position than the women who have kids later.

Most women want 2+ kids - but if you have your first kid at 32 while trying to juggle a demanding career you will be exhausted. At 32 you also have certain lifestyle expectations and so need a higher income.

In comparison pulling all-nighters as a 20 year old was easy, the basic jobs you do are not mentally demanding, and you have much lower financial expectations.

Try incentives like free college education to any woman with 2+ kids and large income subsidies for women re-entering the workforce after having 2+ kids.

Blogger Dan Karelian June 01, 2021 6:46 PM  

@55
"If the Chinese government can use policies to shrink the population growth down from 7 kids per family to 1 kid per family in a matter of a couple of generations presumably it can do the opposite."

This presumption is wrong. The effort required to destroy is not equivalent to the effort required to create.

Religiousness is the single greatest predictor of fertility. With it comes patriarchy, morale and without it all the debt financed incentives are only going to provide marginal increase. Probably only to the poorer, less intelligent classes.
It is much more likely that the CCP will overplay their hand with all the social engineering tactics in the world and descend into violent chaos.

China doesn't need more people so long as it can't even secure enough fresh water domestically. China needs to get rid of debt and somehow, continue developing self-sufficiency so people won't die in the nine figures.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 01, 2021 8:08 PM  

Dan Karelian wrote:This presumption is wrong. The effort required to destroy is not equivalent to the effort required to create.

I don't recall ever saying the effort will be equivalent. Bottom line is China has the will and the means to increase birth rates because its leaders are pragmatic, not slaves to special interests, and most importantly Han Chinese unlike their western counterparts.

Feminism is already being purged across the board in Chinese social media and other places of influence in China. Don't forget you're talking about the same culture that literally broke little girls' feet via bindings over long periods of time to keep them from even going outside the home less than 100 years ago. Those in charge will take whatever measures they need to get the results. Chinese elites are not known for half measures and definitely not known for mercy.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 01, 2021 8:11 PM  

Jack Nickle wrote:Most women want 2+ kids - but if you have your first kid at 32 while trying to juggle a demanding career you will be exhausted. At 32 you also have certain lifestyle expectations and so need a higher income.

Eventually there will be a need to implement a ban on women working period. Every country will ultimately get there whether it be by their own actions or after a collapse and Islamic demographic takeover. Women's rights was always a civilizational time bomb.

Blogger xevious2030 June 01, 2021 8:42 PM  

“it can't even secure enough fresh water domestically”

If you can’t bring the mountain to Mohammed... .

Blogger Damelon Brinn June 02, 2021 6:57 AM  

I understood the phrase ‘offer men patriarchy’ to mean not making it illegal, nor stacking the laws against the husband.

Yes, that should have been obvious from context, but nothing can ever be obvious enough for a blog comment.

We're talking about nationwide birth rates here, not the actions of individual badasses. A nation's birth rates are not set by the mavericks who are willing to break laws and buck social conventions to get what they want. They're set by the masses, who generally go with the flow. If patriarchy is legal and encouraged, the masses of men will be patriarchs. If it is illegal and discouraged, they will not, and trying to shame them from a keyboard won't change that.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 02, 2021 8:31 AM  

Damelon Brinn wrote:If patriarchy is legal and encouraged, the masses of men will be patriarchs.
If the masses of men were patriarchs, patriarchy would be legal and encouraged, or the masses of men would destroy the misgovernment that outlawed it.

Blogger Dan Karelian June 02, 2021 9:34 AM  

@Radix
Some of these brute measures will inevitably come with accumulative externalities so unbearable that the engineers at the CCP are more likely to get themselves deposed by some general.
After that hardship it may be realistic to ban women from the work force and education.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 02, 2021 10:16 AM  

Dan Karelian wrote:@Radix

Some of these brute measures will inevitably come with accumulative externalities so unbearable that the engineers at the CCP are more likely to get themselves deposed by some general.

After that hardship it may be realistic to ban women from the work force and education.



Did the CCP get deposed after tens of millions died from famines under the great leap forward? Did the CCP get deposed after the negative externalities of the single child policy?

If the CCP has the will and power to literally force women at gunpoint to get an abortion under the single child policy it has the will and power to literally do the opposite if it comes to it.

Bottom line is the Chinese are willing to overlook these things so long as their standard of living is being improved by the government. China's government has a 95.5 percent approval rating according to a recent Harvard survey while the same type of survey done by Gallup in the US revealed only 38 percent approval.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

That's the difference between being rules by your own elites vs being rules by foreign ones.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 02, 2021 10:28 AM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Damelon Brinn wrote:If patriarchy is legal and encouraged, the masses of men will be patriarchs.

If the masses of men were patriarchs, patriarchy would be legal and encouraged, or the masses of men would destroy the misgovernment that outlawed it.


Exactly. One doesn't get encouraged to be a patriarch. A man is either a patriarch or not. The feminization of society is ultimately the fault of the men for abandoning his responsibility to control the women and the household. Men who refuse to even control women and the household aren't going to control their nation either. This explains why the nation is being lost and the borders are being breached.

Patriarchy will be restored one way or another. Either the local men restores it or their nation will be defeated and replaced by a stronger, more patriarchal one.

This is why I no longer see the Islamic invasion of Europe as a bad thing. It's a civilizational shit test. If they are so weak that they allow their nations to be taken over and replaced then they deserve it because the Muslims that take over will frankly be better stewards of the nation than they are.

Blogger OldOutsider June 02, 2021 10:45 AM  

There will be a lot of "burning of the deadwood" in the US. No doubt about it. China has its own internal problems.

Vox your timeline for the collapse and balkanization of the US looks to be spot on.

Blogger Dan Karelian June 02, 2021 7:35 PM  

@71

The single child policy's externalities are still being played out and will be playing out for a long time to come. But regardless it's that in combination with all their other policies and attempts at crude engineering their way forward that is going to bring unforeseen risk to social stability.

The CCP can absolutely get away with more coercion than many Western elites can. If not only by having a more genetically conformist population in the first place, but also by being indigenous rulers.
However they know very well that the increased standard of living has been borrowed at a huge cost, that it isn't sustainable, and that they are walking on thin ice in order to upkeep with people's expectations and tolerance of them. Both of which are not what they were 60 years ago.

Surveys, whether reliable or not, have very little to do with the sort long term factors that can cause a rapid phase transition in social stability.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 03, 2021 1:11 PM  

Dan Karelian wrote:The single child policy's externalities are still being played out and will be playing out for a long time to come. But regardless it's that in combination with all their other policies and attempts at crude engineering their way forward that is going to bring unforeseen risk to social stability.

I find it fascinating you continue to harp on the "negative externalities" but fail to explain what any of them are and how they could get the Chinese government "deposed by some general".

You're not even grasping at straws with this type of argument. You're grasping at shadows of straws.


Dan Karelian wrote:Surveys, whether reliable or not, have very little to do with the sort long term factors that can cause a rapid phase transition in social stability.

They do in that they are data points in time which can be used to establish a predictive model over time given enough data points. Meanwhile you haven't even defined what these "negative externalities" are. You don't even have a shadow of an argument here.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 03, 2021 11:30 PM  

RadixMalorum wrote:One doesn't get encouraged to be a patriarch. A man is either a patriarch or not. The feminization of society is ultimately the fault of the men for abandoning his responsibility to control the women and the household.
The story of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar shows us that in an era when patriarchy was expected and the patriarch was the only law, there were men who were not controlling their women.

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 04, 2021 8:34 AM  

@5stonegames

5stonegames stated:
“Theoretically in a couple of centuries the US will be majority Amish and vastly more religious.”


Not just the Amish.

Although there has been a slight decline, the Mormons ‘...enjoy a third world birthrate...’* since at least the 1900's.
* That phrase must be a favorite. I've heard many, many Mormons use it. *wink*

The current decline is slight, just a little more than the year-to-year variation.

However, on both society's current trajectory and their's it won't have time to develop into a truly significant trend. Also note btw, that by year's end we could find that the Fang Fung Flu's house arrest will yield a rebound!

BTW: Although it might be just the circles I run in, but over my lifetime I have known great numbers of people who — w/less of a tax burden — would have had three or four children. Admittedly, at five children the number does drop somewhat.

Please note: when I say “tax burden” above I'm referring to the over-all, complete taxation rate. That is: the folded-into-everything, double-triple-quad. snowballing and hidden multipliers, surcharge & tax & fee structure currently in place.

Economic incentives haven't worked b/c they are anemic.

Economic DIS-incentive work wonderfully well, when the rim of the hole is steep enough!

~ Greybeard.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 04, 2021 4:44 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:RadixMalorum wrote:One doesn't get encouraged to be a patriarch. A man is either a patriarch or not. The feminization of society is ultimately the fault of the men for abandoning his responsibility to control the women and the household.

The story of Abraham, Sarah and Hagar shows us that in an era when patriarchy was expected and the patriarch was the only law, there were men who were not controlling their women.


That goes to show that you can't encourage or force people to be patriarchs. They are or are not. In the same way gammas can never be alphas no matter how hard they will themselves to be or how hard they are encouraged to be.

The story of men failing to control his women is as old as Adam and Eve. All evils stem from that failure.

You can trace all the maladies the modern west suffer from to the beginnings of women's empowerment in the west. That's the primary avenue of attack which evil has used to insinuate itself into every aspect of western society.

Blogger kerdasi amaq June 06, 2021 5:39 AM  

Yes, and it was a small group of men that voted to make females uncontrollable.

Blogger kerdasi amaq June 06, 2021 7:58 AM  

Was the dopamine hit that they got from passing progressive legislation worth it?

In the beginning, the negative consequences from progressive legislation are small and insignificant but they accumulate and worsen over time until they reach a point where they become unrepairable, but, for the instigators of this chaos; when this time comes, they are mostly dead and so don't have to live with the consequences of their idiocy.

Blogger kerdasi amaq June 06, 2021 12:15 PM  

China is going to suffer a population crash as its old impotent generations die off in the next thirty years. It's too late for this policy initiative to reverse the demographic consequences of the anti-natalist one-child policy which was imposed to compensate for innate failings and inefficiencies of Communism.

I'll enjoy watching the collapse of the CCP.

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