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Thursday, May 06, 2021

In case you weren't sure he's fake

 The Fake Pope lies - blatantly - about the nations.

Pope Francis on Thursday denounced “aggressive” nationalism that rejects migrants, and said Catholics should follow the Gospel-mandated call for an inclusive, welcoming church that doesn’t distinguish between “natives and foreigners, residents and guests.”

Francis made the appeal in his annual message for migrants and refugees. He said the current pandemic had shown how the concept of the human family had been “fragmented, wounded and disfigured,” with the poorest and most marginalized paying the highest price.

The universal “we," he said, “is crumbling and cracking due to myopic and aggressive forms of nationalism and radical individualism.”

He demanded that Catholics in particular actually act “catholic” in the universal sense, noting that migrants and refugees enrich the faith, the church and one another.

There is no "Gospel-mandated call" that rejects the nations. To the contrary, God promises that the nations will endure to the end. It is the Devil who constantly preaches the unity of Man and attempts to destroy the nations through the false promises of wealth through free trade and charity through submission to invasion.

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Blogger Gallant May 06, 2021 2:12 PM  

It's a laughably blatant lie, rooted in the modern thing of reducing all of christianity to 'the good samaritan'.

People who were far more devout and religious than most today would fight country by country, area by area, village by village, to defend their lives and space from destruction from others.

If 'welcome the refugees' is Catholic, then Catholicism only started in the last few decades, and everything before it was something else.

Blogger basementhomebrewer May 06, 2021 2:14 PM  

Why does Vatican city insist on being separate and distinct from Italy as a whole?

Blogger KC May 06, 2021 2:18 PM  

"migrants and refugees enrich the faith, the church and one another."

France is literally loosing two churches a week to fires (most likely arson.) The church is not being enriched, it is being impoverished. Of course those losses pale in comparison to the loss of faith being enabled and encouraged by that heretic "Pope" Francis.

Blogger Ingemar May 06, 2021 2:21 PM  

One has to wonder why even during the height of the Spanish Empire, the Natives didn't flood the Iberian peninsula.

Leaving aside the difficulty of intercontinental travel in the Age of Sail, it's because they were incentivized to build their own lands into viable towns and villas.

Poop Fwancis and his globohomo handlers are advertising Europe as a feeding frenzy buffet for basically the whole world but especially to the main religious rivals of Christendom (and the Muslims).

Blogger Desdichado May 06, 2021 2:23 PM  

The Church absolutely should welcome all. The church is not the country, however, so that call by the Pope is deliberately using the idea of of context. I don't know why so many Churchians, and even Christians can't distinguish that

Blogger SemiSpook37 May 06, 2021 2:26 PM  

There was a reason the Jesuits were suppressed. What gets me is that someone was dumb enough to let them back in.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Blogger stevo May 06, 2021 2:28 PM  

Christian Nationalism is the only way forward. It's also hated by the enemy.

Blogger SchatziBear May 06, 2021 2:29 PM  

Looks like Jonathan Pryce really embraced his role and expanded upon it past The Two Popes. HOW do people - sheeple - NOT see this? It's so retarded.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock May 06, 2021 2:30 PM  

noting that migrants and refugees enrich the faith, the church and one another.

Citation needed.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch May 06, 2021 2:32 PM  

Speaking of fake Popes, Pope Benedict revealed that he renounced the ministerium but not the munus. Basically, what this means is that he foolishly thought that he could give up 1/2 of the paper seat, and leave the other half of responsibility to some other guy. And seeing how that is not possible, it makes his resignation a mistake, and invalid. It is obvious the Holy Spirit is not protecting us from this current man. Pope Benedict’s resignation was invalid.

Blogger Akulkis May 06, 2021 2:34 PM  

8f God was okay with unified mankind and no nation,vHe wouldn't have destroyed the Tower of Babel.

Blogger pnq87 May 06, 2021 2:42 PM  

Globalism and individualism are logically equivalent. You can't have one without the other. The Fake Pope is not only evil, he is a lying dunce.

Blogger #7139 May 06, 2021 2:42 PM  

A not-Pope, a not-President and a not-Vaccine. It is an interesting time to be alive.

Blogger Taignobias May 06, 2021 2:42 PM  

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - Jesus, the promised Messiah and Living Son of the Living God

All of scripture speaks of division. The Wheat and Tares, the Sheep and Goats, the Jew and Gentile, the slave to sin and the slave to Christ. The parable of the Good Samaritan, itself, was built on division - the Jew divided himself from and despised the Samaritan, yet the Samaritan saved the Jew.

God performs a miracle in this: that those of many nations can come together under the banner of Christ and be united in Him. Apart from this divine sanctification, all other unions of man are blasphemous wickedness.

Blogger Geoffroi de Bohemonde May 06, 2021 2:52 PM  

In order to claim spiritual dominion over kings. It used to own a big chunk of central Italy as well. Look up the Papal States.

Blogger Jake May 06, 2021 2:54 PM  

The pope has no right to dictate security or immigration policies to governments, but churches are free to welcome whoever they wish.

But let's make sure that those who welcome trespassers have to take full legal responsibility for them.

Blogger Karen took the Kids May 06, 2021 2:57 PM  

That seat has been vacant for a long time.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 06, 2021 2:57 PM  

"The universal “we," he said, “is crumbling and cracking due to myopic and aggressive forms of nationalism and radical individualism.”"

Oh good. Nationalism is making progress.

Blogger Stryker4570 May 06, 2021 3:00 PM  

We were all unified at the Tower of Babel. We see how God pleasing that was. The Not Pope's words, globalism, the Ecumenical movement among church bodies, the Tower of Babel. These are all of one spirit. It's always the same s*%t.

Blogger stevo May 06, 2021 3:04 PM  

That is funny

Blogger Bryce May 06, 2021 3:07 PM  

Old Francine must be using a different Bible than I am. I don't recall God building the tower of Babyl, only to have Satan strike it down and divide the people into nations.

Blogger JC Skinner May 06, 2021 3:12 PM  

How do fundamentalist Muslims enrich Catholicism? Asking for a Vatican...

Blogger Noah B. May 06, 2021 3:21 PM  

Holding the door open for invaders is precisely the opposite of loving your neighbor.

Blogger Humphrey May 06, 2021 3:21 PM  

Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26, curses sections, currently unfolding, the will of God being done.

@3 >'France is literally loosing two churches a week to fires (most likely arson.)'

>I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and heap your lifeless bodies on the lifeless remains of your idols; and My soul will despise you.

How many idols per Catholic church? The whore of Babylon, on her seven hills, she will be destroyed in just one day. Soon-ish too.

Blogger Canadian Warlord May 06, 2021 3:24 PM  

Vatican City is now the destination of all migrants. Someone tell Sorros and the Israelis to print new maps for their cash-stuffed care packages. No women but lots of femme faggots who love biting pillow.

Blogger Elder Son May 06, 2021 3:35 PM  

And the Jesus said, "Go out into all the nations, gather them up all that will, and bring them to the West. For you must decrease, while they increase."

Satan: What God has put asunder, let me restore. After all, isn't it written?

And Jesus said: Peter the Pope! Rock. Whatever. You are the head of the New and only Church! And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it!

Blogger Matthew May 06, 2021 3:36 PM  

I do not trust people who defend Francis and say that you have "Francis Derangement Syndrome" if you simply quote him.

Blogger Reziac May 06, 2021 3:38 PM  

"...and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation..."

-- Acts 17:26

Blogger drsmith48167 May 06, 2021 3:39 PM  

Not My President meet Not My Pope. A match truly made in hell by the devil himself,.,

Blogger VFM #7634 May 06, 2021 4:00 PM  

The Church absolutely should welcome all. The church is not the country, however, so that call by the Pope is deliberately using the idea of of context. I don't know why so many Churchians, and even Christians can't distinguish that

Until the woke insanity of Vatican II, welcoming outsiders was understood by Catholics as encouraging them to enter the Church — that is, become Catholics — while staying in their homelands. Not remaining Muslim (or whatever) and coming to our lands.

Yet another example of Satanic inversion.

Blogger Kingly Gift May 06, 2021 4:05 PM  

It is true that within the Church, your identity in Christ transcends your ethnic identity. But to suppose that Nation-States can be successful multi-ethnic melting pots because of the power of unity in Christ, is to set up the State as a false Church and false god.

The cross-ethnic peacefulness that can exist within a Church is a bandage that holds back the potential torrent of violence that is brewing beneath the surface in multi-ethnic societies.

This peaceful influence from the Church can hold in limited multi-ethnic situations. It is of no benefit in multicultural situations because to be multicultural is to also not be on the same page when it comes to worldview/religion.

I don't know what will be the result of the 'multicultural' neoliberal order; the ethnic wars that will boil to the surface, or the persecution of Christians by the totalitarian State in an effort to force a monolithic secular (anti-Christian) culture on the (multicultural in name only) slaves of the State. But you can be sure that one or the other, or both, is inevitable.

Blogger europeasant May 06, 2021 4:17 PM  

Hear, hear!

Blogger Silex May 06, 2021 4:42 PM  

Migrants and refugees "enrich one another"?
I have heard that they do indeed enrich the Church in that the government pays churches to settle migrants.

Blogger Henry May 06, 2021 4:52 PM  

The destruction of the West seems to have had at least two stages: first Erich-Fromm-types in the 1970s teaching 'love everyone' and then a generation later “Love the Planet, not people” (which might not have been possible without the first stage). Fake Pope trying out the first one again.

Recently Bruce Charlton had two posts about this issue “Is Christianity selfish? Yes! But why is that a bad thing?” & “A note on abstract, universal "love" and Jesus”.

Blogger Outis May 06, 2021 4:52 PM  

Frankie lies even when telling the truth...Catholic teaching, though not opposed to nationalism, is wary of it only because it has the potential to sideline the Church. But what we mean by nationalism could be demonstrated by a perfectly healthy and normal Catholic state (similar to Polish nationalism). But Frankie has that cautious approach toward nationalism and twisted it into an anathema that plays into the hands of (((technocratic globalism))) - it's not even about maintaining Catholic influence anymore - he's hitched the Church's wagon to the globalist gravy train and is reading from the script provided him.

I must thank him, however, for softening my departure from the Roman Catholic Church.

Blogger tuberman May 06, 2021 5:00 PM  

Babal-On fake Pope.

Blogger Mamabear37 May 06, 2021 5:04 PM  

An even further caveat is that the Christian Church should welcome repentant- I repeat- discernably repentant sinners, in Christ. Not welcome the blatant subversion of the Gospel by sumbitting to the will of false religions. Wolves in sheeps' clothing and all that.

Blogger Mamabear37 May 06, 2021 5:05 PM  

Now we just need a not-Messiah and we'll be all set for the parousia.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 May 06, 2021 5:12 PM  

I think we could stipulate that *the Church* should be welcoming of all God's children - that's part of the Gospel. A nation, however, is not a church, and is not a model for a church. They don't have the same function. Ergo they ought not to behave the same - in fact, they technically wouldn't represent the same constituency even in a theocracy - and should have different priorities.

A man of the cloth ought to distinguish between the two when he makes a public pronouncement.

Blogger Damelon Brinn May 06, 2021 6:35 PM  

If 'welcome the refugees' is Catholic, then Catholicism only started in the last few decades, and everything before it was something else.

What most people think of as Catholicism today is a Modernist cult that both broke off and seized the institution of the Vatican at Vatican II. In accounts of the time, participants talk about how the radicals, including Ratzinger, came in with a wide-ranging, well-prepared agenda, complete with daily talking points and teams of experts. They steamrolled over the traditional bishops, who assumed the Council wouldn't be taking on anything big, since it wasn't even called to address a particular heresy. But that lack of focus allowed the radicals to open it up to every innovation they could.

The new cult's teachings are greatly different from Catholic teachings, in some cases 180 degrees reversed, as in its approach toward the Jews. Its documents are written in Modernist language so that they can never be pinned down as to what exactly they mean, and their defenders can always argue that they didn't cross the line into heresy or apostasy. As Pope St. Pius X put it, they "present their doctrines without order and systematic arrangement, in a scattered and disjointed manner, so as to make it appear as if their minds were in doubt or hesitation, whereas in reality they are quite fixed and steadfast."

Francis's Vatican II predecessors played that game too, but he's taken it to a new level. Every time he makes a statement like this, everyone knows what he actually means; but the language is sloppy enough that his defenders, including traditional-minded Catholics who feel forced to defend him because they've been told that having a non-Catholic pope is somehow possible while going without one for a while is not, can claim you can't prove he actually meant that. They'll say he never actually said nations don't have a right to exist and control their borders, that he was really just talking about the Church; but everyone knows what he meant, especially the "Catholic" politicians who will use his vague language to justify concrete actions.

Blogger Matthew May 06, 2021 6:39 PM  

Amen

Blogger Robert Pinkerton May 06, 2021 6:50 PM  

Pope Francis = Peter the Roman?

Blogger machinephilosophy May 06, 2021 7:12 PM  

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
--Jesus (Matthew 23:9)

Blogger Unknown May 06, 2021 7:18 PM  

as i've pointed out before, the traditional Christian response to Muslim jihad was crusade. this applies to both Orthodox and Catholic.

therefore, Fwancis has just declared all of the medieval churches to be apostate, due to their supposed failure to great the foreign hoards with open arms.

and before any buffoons attempt to claim that i am "off topic", there are numerous videos of Imams telling the muslim hoards to invade Europe and use Muh Dumbocracy as a weapon to destroy the European nations.

whether or not YOU recognize this as an invasion and attempt to conquer, that is explicitly what the african and middle eastern hoards are explicitly trying to do. indeed, it is what they have been ordered to do.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 06, 2021 7:20 PM  

"The pope has no right to dictate security or immigration policies to governments, but churches are free to welcome whoever they wish.

He is at odd with the Catechism on that very matter:

¶2241: (Capitalization mine)

The more prosperous nations are obliged, TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE ABLE, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who RECEIVE HIM.
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, MAY MAKE THE EXERCISE OF THE RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE SUBJECT TO VARIOUS JURIDICAL CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO THE IMMIGRANTS' DUTIES TOWARD THEIR COUNTRY OF ADOPTION. IMMIGRANTS ARE OBLIGED TO RESPECT WITH GRATITUDE THE MATERIAL AND SPIRITUAL HERITAGE OF THE COUNTRY THAT RECEIVES THEM, TO OBEY ITS LAWS AND TO ASSIST IN CARRYING CIVIC BURDENS.

In short, this is a "prudential matter", unlike abortion which is always wrong. I note when this paragraph uses the term "receives" it clearly contemplates compliance with a particular nation's immigration and naturalization laws.

Note too, while the the ability to entry is not unlimited, the duties of immigrants are absolute. There's nothing that says they get to reduce, suspend or delay the duties of support or gratitude-you know marching in the street demanding support.

There's an article in Zerohedge today:

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/gundlach-warns-americas-unfunded-liabilities-are-163-trillion-more-5x-national-debt

This plus the recently announced 42 year low in the U.S. Birthrate would-if we had sane politicians-not just wage lowering corporate whores-be cause enough to suspend all immigration for any reason other than a threat of imminent death.

Since immigration is based on charity, it must be ordered, measured and restrained. It is not charity if I submit my house to the ruin and shame of bankruptcy because I gave away everything in a supreme act of degenerate altruism, leaving my wife and children in privation.

Even if your sole concern was for immigrants-which it cannot be-you realize excessive reception now means the loss of capacity in the future. The world is fallen and it will always have nations with serious deficiencies.

Blogger Gen. Kong May 06, 2021 7:49 PM  

Anti-Pope Bergoglio is and has always been a liar. Anyone who listens to him is a fool or worse.

One of the finest summaries of why the nations (at least those who don't bow the knee to the devil) will exist even after Christ returns is given by the great Alexander Solzhenitsyn (in a speech to given to deaf Swedes - unfortunately casting a pearl to swine).

"The disappearance of nations would impoverish us no less than if all men became alike with one nature and one face. Nations are the wealth of mankind, its collective personalities; the very least of them wears its own special colors and bears within itself a special facet of God’s design."

Kelgeri's minions want all nations eradicated except for jews, who like Kalergi and his non-jew followers obviously took the offer rejected by Christ. The Anti-Pope Bergoglio is obviously one of these. By taking the userers' filthy lucre, the invading migrants imperil their own nations even if they succeed in carrying out the Satanic order to exterminate those of the former Christendom.

Blogger My Comment May 06, 2021 7:52 PM  

The Pope is the poster boy for the need to destroy organized Christianity (outside of possibly the orthodox churches) and start over at a later date.

China is wise to limit and control Christian churches. They are a cancer on a nation's soul.

Blogger EasyCompany May 06, 2021 8:33 PM  

@24

Not one single idol in any Catholic Church.

You should learn what an idol really is before making a fool out of yourself.

Blogger Steve Samson May 06, 2021 8:35 PM  

reducing all of christianity to 'the good samaritan'.

Voxbros, help me out here.
I completely don't get this parable, AFAICT it hinges on "who is thy neighbour?"

But the injured man's neighbour in this case is the foreigner, and his countrymen ignore him.
I get all the stuff about the Samaritan paying for him to stay in his land and not taking him home as a perpetual guest, take that as read. But, would someone do me the favour of expanding this parable a little for me? I think I've absorbed too much wrong teaching on this to see it clearly.

Blogger Pathfinderlight May 06, 2021 9:25 PM  

With Communist subversion, there is always an unstated assumption that is an inversion of the truth.

When Francis talked about foreigners enriching the faith, the unspoken assumption was that there was no requirement for them to convert. God's church is indeed supposed to be universal, open to all peoples, but also requires faith and conversion.

Other people have mentioned Francis' ignoring of the fact nations exist, and will always continue to exist, just as God intended. That also contains an inverted assumption.

Blogger Filter Bear May 06, 2021 9:38 PM  

Steve Samson wrote:reducing all of christianity to 'the good samaritan'.

Voxbros, help me out here.

I completely don't get this parable, AFAICT it hinges on "who is thy neighbour?"

But the injured man's neighbour in this case is the foreigner, and his countrymen ignore him.

I get all the stuff about the Samaritan paying for him to stay in his land and not taking him home as a perpetual guest, take that as read. But, would someone do me the favour of expanding this parable a little for me? I think I've absorbed too much wrong teaching on this to see it clearly.



Whether the Samaritan was a foreigner or not is *relatively* immaterial in the parable -- it is to show that the neighbor is one who helps you, voluntarily, when you are on the edge of death. The one who you can count on in a pinch to be charitable and have your back to the end. I can count on a quadruple amputee's digits how many migrants this applies to.

Blogger Pathfinderlight May 06, 2021 9:45 PM  

@Steve Samson

The Samaritans had an unsavory reputation among the Israelites of Jesus' time, but by this point had lived in the area for some centuries. They were also a similar religion to Israelites, but tended to be of mixed blood. In this context, the Samaritan in the story is likely a trader coming back from a trade mission that would have taken him no more than 2 days walk or so, probably with one or more pack animals.

In a modern context, think of an American mulatto protestant taking a business trip into Canada, finding a Catholic guy hurt on the side of the road and stopping to help. That would be a reasonable approximation of the social context today.

Blogger Rabid Ratel May 07, 2021 1:56 AM  

@Stwve Samson

In the original Greek the word translated as "neighbour" means nearest.
My take on it is that your nearest, is the people tha care about you and your welfare. That is an inversion from the normal explanation, in that your "neighbours" or nearest chose themselves to be in that role, not you.

Note that I derived this from Vox's explanation of how a nation forms. See:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/01/mailvox-biblical-defense-of-nationalism.html

Blogger SirHamster May 07, 2021 2:06 AM  

Steve Samson wrote:I completely don't get this parable, AFAICT it hinges on "who is thy neighbour?"

But the injured man's neighbour in this case is the foreigner, and his countrymen ignore him.

Note that the foreigner is the injured man's neighbor not because he's foreign, but because he's the one person who showed kindness to him.

Using foreigners to impoverish your countrymen is not loving your neighbor. Bringing foreigners to a foreign land where they are ill-suited to live is not loving your neighbor.

Enslaving foreigners and creating the conditions for ethnic strife and cleansing is not loving your neighbor.

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 07, 2021 3:35 AM  

It appears obvious to me what is going on in the Church is a chastisement allowed by God so that we might return to him and restore reverence to the most Holy Eucharist. God can no longer stay the hand of justice for what we have allowed to happen in the Church. Our face is being shoved in the vomit with the hope that our senses will prevail and we will return to Him.

The biggest existential threat we face is not the world clearly burning down right in front of us. The biggest threat we face is that we do not return to God and Satan sends us a "savior" to rescue us from the consequences of our actions.

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 07, 2021 4:00 AM  

Oh, and another thing....Francis is the Pope. He is not a fake Pope. He is the Pope that a just and loving God has allowed to head the Catholic Church (which clearly has its head up its ass at the moment) so that we suffer deeply and, hopefully, learn that any departure from the truth, no matter how small, eventually leads us to hell.

A just and loving God doesn't just hand us our manhood. He makes us earn it so we can own it. Forgiveness of sins does not mean sparing the consequences of sin. Christ was sinless and yet he suffered the consequences of sin. Many within the Catholic Church lead holy lives and are champions of truth, yet they, like Christ, are suffering the consequences of sin....and the current Pope.

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 07, 2021 4:09 AM  

One last blow to the horse before it expires...Vox, you have righteous passion and intellect on par with Saul of Tarsus. The Church could really use a Paul right now though, if you are interested.

Blogger machinephilosophy May 07, 2021 4:47 AM  

The whole "church" thing is a farce. If you drill down into the meaning of the term. There's no official collective anywhere, just references to assemblies in various cities and in general in writings like Revelation.

Remember: the bullshit collectives calling themselves churches or The Church, are all government-registered entities, and the signed documents and commitments are sworn and recorded allegiances to anything and everything except the truth for which they supposedly exist.

Blogger FrankNorman May 07, 2021 7:59 AM  

55. Eugenius BEar May 07, 2021 3:35 AM

It appears obvious to me what is going on in the Church is a chastisement allowed by God so that we might return to him and restore reverence to the most Holy Eucharist. God can no longer stay the hand of justice for what we have allowed to happen in the Church. Our face is being shoved in the vomit with the hope that our senses will prevail and we will return to Him.

The biggest existential threat we face is not the world clearly burning down right in front of us. The biggest threat we face is that we do not return to God and Satan sends us a "savior" to rescue us from the consequences of our actions.


Hello Mr BEar

Not being a Roman Catholic, I am looking at this from the outside, but... who is this "we" in "for what we have allowed to happen in the Church"?
Unless you are one of the bishops or cardinals who attended Vatican II, it looks as if you are blaming yourself (and others like you) for something that you had zero agency in or control over.

When your "the Church" starts leading you in the wrong direction, what are you supposed to do to fix this?

I'll give you my answer: leave that silly cult and join us Protestants. :-)
Now what's your answer? If you don't have one - if you don't even know what to do, how are you to blame for not doing it?

Blogger Darren May 07, 2021 9:34 AM  

Vatican walled city-state: "Nations of the world, tear down your walls!"

Sane world: "You first."

Blogger Darren May 07, 2021 9:38 AM  

It's just a simple persuasion trick, planting a seed for misleading framing. The not-pope begins by mentioning X as the focus then goes on a rant about unrelated Y -- but the brains of normies and NPCs will force the rant into the context of X, nodding their heads the whole time even while it makes no sense.

"A text with no context is nonsense" or something like that. Welcome to 2015+ media clown world (and its beneficiaries)


Blogger Darren May 07, 2021 9:43 AM  

This is eerie -- last night while driving over the half-hour mark, listening to my local Christian AM radio station and two different long-running ministries in a row were speaking about Genesis and specifically explaining/warning about The Tower Of Babel. God wants us to pay extra attention to this, apparently. Anti-nationalism is anti-Bible!

Blogger Darren May 07, 2021 9:44 AM  

After the not-alien-invasion I am expecting the not-messiah to "save us all"... for a price.

Blogger Humphrey May 07, 2021 10:53 AM  

@FrankNorman,

>I'll give you my answer: leave that silly cult and join us Protestants.

Sadly, that isn't the answer, as the protesters are in the same boat, just look around at your churches, whatever denomination.

You want to read Romans 11, we are supposed to be grafted in to ISRAEL, not into any assembly. Assemblies are not bad in themselves, but as Paul warned, wolves very quickly move in and preach false gospels, and that's where the world is today, brimful of Sabbath-breakers. Indeed most don't even know when the true Sabbath is, as they only use the stolen pagan Gregorian calendar, which is nothing like the solar/lunar timekeeping God actually gave us in Genesis 1.

So, be Israel, or be nothing. All things will be restored.

@Easy company,

>Not one single idol in any Catholic Church.

Call it a graven image, call it an idol, but don't make them, and also don't bow down to them:

'Thou dost not make to thyself a graven image, or any likeness which is in the heavens above, or which is in the earth beneath, or which is in the waters under the earth'

Catholic churches are brimful of images of Mary, Jesus, birds, various other men, they love their graven images, and they bow down to them too. Very bad, to imitate the Creator, and disobey His direct command.

@58 machine,

Well said, you nailed the truth there. Only one assembly gets a good report in Revelation, Philadelphia (the saints and the elect, AKA Israel, God's people, not the piece of land), whereas Laodicea (America, thinks its rich, but is not) and Ephesus (Britain, having forgotten its first love, the laws of Moses) are both fallen away, and called to repent.

Blogger David May 07, 2021 11:11 AM  

I dont get the "fake" pope adjective. That's just repetitive. The office of the pope was never Scriptural or legitimate, it has always been a counterfeit position. Many of the Early Church and Reformation viewed it as the office of the Antichrist. I agree with that position

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 07, 2021 11:55 AM  

@59 Mr. Norman (is it ok for me to call you Frank),

My best explanation for as to why "we" are suffering is that our priests are a product of the families that produce them. By extension the hierarchy is a byproduct of the prevailing orthodoxy and faithfulness of the members of the Church.

One thing I have learned in my life is I am not nearly as smart as I would like to think that I am. In fact, I am beginning to wonder if I really know anything at all....much in the same way that St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 13:12 "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face." As such, I avail myself of the more mystical elements of my Catholic faith, namely certain approved Marian apparitions, Fatima in particular. In Fatima, the Mother of Jesus warned us what would happen and what we needed to do to combat it - which is to pray and to do penance, penance, penance.

I am not a holy member of the Church (still working on it though.) I have done more than my fair share of sinning and still continue to struggle with certain sins, so for me, I have no doubt regarding my culpability concerning the current state of the Church. Despite my lack of true knowledge, I "know" too much though and could not or would not ever consider leaving the Catholic Church. If I did, I would be an atheist. Christ has given everything of value to me through the Church. Honestly, I would rather die than leave the Catholic Church. Perhaps this makes me a fundamentalist, but I think at some point, when you peel back all of the layers, we are all fundamentalists at some point.

What is required to restore the Church is beyond my human comprehension. I think it would be easier to accurately model the earth's climate than to know how I could specifically help in the restoration of the Church. I believe that restoration of the Church requires Supernatural intervention. As such, my participation in the Church's restoration is best accomplished by renunciation of my own sins, prayer and penance....and suffering for my sins and the sins of others (like Christ did.)

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 07, 2021 12:00 PM  

@59 BTW...feel free to call me Eugene.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel May 08, 2021 12:06 AM  

@47

Be gone, Lucifer. Take you are your sulfur back to hell.

@59

Which Protestants would you have us join? Tell me which denomination or community I should join? There's tens of thousands and they disagree on many important things. Eschatology, Soteriology and Ecclesiology for starters. Should I be an Anabaptist (by the way, one of the greatest exhibitions of faith and forgiveness came from the Amish, who bore inestimable grief for their senselessly murdered children without anger, and even set up a fund for the shooters' widow after the Nickel Mines shooting in 2006) Anglican, Baptist, Calvinist/Presbyterian, Methodist/Wesleyan? I'll charitably assume you won't direct me to a Kingdom Hall or a Reading Room.

The lack of specifics tells me you really don't care about my theological or doctrinal rectitude, just my apostasy.


@64

Have you ever happened upon 1 Cor 14:34

"Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says." KJV

And then there's

1 Timothy 2:12

"And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence."

Of course if you tell us you aren't female the pseudonym LadyGerbil brings up a myriad of other issues.


With that said, I full recognize the ship I am on is being tossed in the waves, it leaks and has barnacles, and too many officers are fond of buggery. Of course other ships have many of the same problems, and have women as captains and admirals.

Blogger Autarky Bear May 08, 2021 1:01 AM  

I'm with the Kurgan on this one. Purge the Vatican and collect the skulls of these infidels.

Blogger FrankNorman May 10, 2021 7:05 AM  

Which Protestants would you have us join? Tell me which denomination or community I should join? There's tens of thousands and they disagree on many important things. Eschatology, Soteriology and Ecclesiology for starters. Should I be an Anabaptist (by the way, one of the greatest exhibitions of faith and forgiveness came from the Amish, who bore inestimable grief for their senselessly murdered children without anger, and even set up a fund for the shooters' widow after the Nickel Mines shooting in 2006) Anglican, Baptist, Calvinist/Presbyterian, Methodist/Wesleyan? I'll charitably assume you won't direct me to a Kingdom Hall or a Reading Room.

The lack of specifics tells me you really don't care about my theological or doctrinal rectitude, just my apostasy.


Now that's just uncharitable.

First off, I was being tongue-in-cheek there.
Secondly - I think this is something where Protestants and Roman Catholics end up talking past each other. Thinking in terms of "which denomination is the One True Church that everyone should join?" is the Roman Catholic approach. The real point I was making to the other poster was "stop letting other people do your thinking for you like that!"

Now - of the denominations you listed, I would say the Baptists would be least likely to lead you wrongly. The Anglicans on the other hand? Speaking as someone who started out Anglican, a long time back... let me just say that I can no longer take seriously any denomination that has female bishops.

With Methodists or Prezzie, your mileage may vary.

Blogger Eugenius BEar May 10, 2021 3:17 PM  

Hey Frank,

The real point I was making to the other poster was "stop letting other people do your thinking for you like that!"

Unless one is privy to some form of Devine revelation, one they are absolutely certain is not diabolic in origin (remember, the devil likes to deceive), how is what you believe any different than what anyone else believes? At what point can we stop the madness and know anything with certainty regarding our Christian faith? Without circular reference, how do we even know the Bible is the inspired word of God? Where do we get the authority? How wide is the berth of the Holy Spirit in inspiring man of what is truly right and truly wrong?

Blogger FrankNorman May 11, 2021 4:53 PM  

Unless one is privy to some form of Devine revelation, one they are absolutely certain is not diabolic in origin (remember, the devil likes to deceive), how is what you believe any different than what anyone else believes? At what point can we stop the madness and know anything with certainty regarding our Christian faith? Without circular reference, how do we even know the Bible is the inspired word of God? Where do we get the authority? How wide is the berth of the Holy Spirit in inspiring man of what is truly right and truly wrong?

If you are talking about some kind of infallible certainly that precludes even the logical possibility of being wrong, then I think you are asking for something that is not to be had in this world.

Even a really infallible church, if such existed, would only help you insofar as you were able to access and understand its teachings. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

That said, there are cults that will gaslight you, attacking your confidence in your ability to know anything - and then invite you to commit intellectual suicide by simply letting them take over all agency in what you believe.

IMHO, the only sort of people who are never troubled by doubts, are those who are either too unintelligent to imagine that what they have been taught might not be true, and... those for whom the truth or otherwise of their professed beliefs does not matter. People for whom belief is just a means of being part of a group, for example. They don't worry whether the group is right, because they don't care. Some religious leaders, I suspect, do not really believe in anything.

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