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Sunday, May 02, 2021

The US joins the graveyard of empires

 Afghanistan wins again:

Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan attacked and overran a key army base in southeastern Ghazni province Saturday, capturing dozens of soldiers and killing several others.

The latest attack came on a day when the United States and NATO partners formally began withdrawing their militaries from the country after almost 20 years of war.

Two senior provincial council members told VOA the Afghan army had stationed dozens of its forces at the base outside the provincial capital, also named Ghazni, before the pre-dawn insurgent attack.  Local media reports said the ensuing clashes had lasted several hours and killed at least 17 soldiers.

 Afghan army chief, Gen. Mohammad Yasin Zia, who is also the acting defense minister, confirmed to reporters in Kabul the fall of the security installation to insurgents, but he shared no further details.

20 years of totally pointless war ending in defeat. It's yet another reminder that the US empire is in its early death throes, not unlike those of its predecessors in the graveyard.


When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,

And the women come out to cut up what remains,

Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. 

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69 Comments:

Blogger Harsh May 02, 2021 11:43 AM  

The US fell victim to one of the classic blunders. Next we'll be going against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

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Blogger SonyAD May 02, 2021 11:49 AM  

It's uncanny how certain adages, like 'Afghanistan being the graveyard of empires', hold so true for so long and on such a massive scale. It really makes you think and realise that there are indeed some discernible underlying patterns in and under the frothy and foamy apparent chaos of history and what we think of as reality. Perhaps what we think of as chaos or the chaos of reality is actually perfectly deterministic, with perfectly accurate and perfectly complete knowledge.

Blogger jijijeac May 02, 2021 11:55 AM  

decades long military occupation and light attempts at westernization can not overcome hundreds of thousands of years of biological history and over 1000 years of islamic cultural dictatorship. its the same reason all multi-ethnic and multicultural empires crumble and get split up exactly based on ethnical and cultural grounds and its why ethical groups even divided between different countries stick together(see east west Germany). the only thing the us did in afghnistan is spend lots of money on the locals.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 02, 2021 12:04 PM  

The Taliban promised this on the day that Biden pushed the withdrawal back to 9/11/2021. He broke the agreement. Last year was relatively peaceful in Afghanistan, under the agreement. Now its going to get more bloody, this is assured. The Taliban have come to same conclusion as many others, that Americans today are not "agreement capable".

Blogger cheddarman May 02, 2021 12:15 PM  

Next we will have to take a million or so Afghan refugees.

Blogger The Course of Empire May 02, 2021 12:28 PM  

Can't wait to see how much success they'll have against the Russians . . .

Blogger Paulito May 02, 2021 12:30 PM  

Has the United States government ever *kept* an agreement?

Blogger OneWingedShark May 02, 2021 12:33 PM  

Harsh wrote:The US fell victim to one of the classic blunders. Next we'll be going against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
The blunder of listening to elites who aren't of our nation and have no connection to our people?
Yep, pretty big blunder.

cheddarman wrote:Next we will have to take a million or so Afghan refugees.
Our elites: ever more loyal to foreigners than our own people.

Blogger Silent Draco May 02, 2021 12:37 PM  

No matter what the politico-military question is, the answer is usually found at least once in Kipling.

Blogger GammaCatch May 02, 2021 12:37 PM  

The fact that neither we nor Russia nuked Islam off the face of the Earth in the last 100 years shows that there is another game going on here. It's like the border. Since the policy is not "blast anyone that crosses this line", there is no real goal of keeping a society for the people who built it. Here there was never the goal of winning a war against a hostel philosophy. Something about Control and manipulating the global economy is and has been the real goal, of course. I think they keep Islam and Israel around to disrupt The West and little more.

Blogger Krul May 02, 2021 12:40 PM  

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Blogger Just So May 02, 2021 12:51 PM  

Predictable outcomes of a feckless empire on it's death bed.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 02, 2021 1:00 PM  

Good.
Can we have our republic back now?

And if we're not an empire any more, who are the jews going to use now?

Blogger CF Neal May 02, 2021 1:09 PM  

@4. Biblically speaking, your computations on the theory of relativity leave a lot to be desired: for instance, your proposition of that "... light attempts at westernization can not overcome hundreds of thousands of years of biological history..." -- besides being, IMHO, a somewhat clumsy conflation of distinct disciplines; also purports to configure the history of man along time lines of evolutionary biology, or so it seems to me.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Believe this first, and ALL things are possible, w/ God; for w/ God -- NOTHING is impossible.

On the whole, however, with the exception of what some might call this quibble of mine, your points are well taken.

Blogger Ingemar May 02, 2021 1:16 PM  

*looks at all the unilaterally broken Indian treaties and Guadalupe Hidalgo*

No.

Blogger Kevin May 02, 2021 1:18 PM  

And for our next act of stupidity, we will be invading Russia.

Blogger Silly but True May 02, 2021 1:26 PM  

There have long been combatants on both sides who weren’t even born when 9-11 happened, when Bush issued his ultimatum that those harboring terrorists are terrorists, when Mullah Omar on October 14, 2001 offered to give Osama bin Laden to US if US would show proof of his planning, and when Bush ignored the offer and invaded.

Osama bin Laden is dead (* believed to be).

The US has been fighting in Afghanistan now for no other reason than fighting in Afghanistan is something the US does.

Blogger DeepThought May 02, 2021 1:38 PM  

@ Silly but True

So many people have forgotten this tid bit of history.

Our war against Islamic countries is simply because Israel runs our foreign policy.

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli May 02, 2021 1:49 PM  

jijijeac wrote:decades long military occupation and light attempts at westernization

The plan was never Westernization of Afghanistan. It was always what it still is today: a military base for the Regime, primarily to launch an attack on Iran who is one of the last holdouts against The Jewish Homo-Globo Empire run from Wall Street, D.C., Hollywood, Brussels, and the City of London.

If a couple thousand more goyim die, especially White Men, in defending Jewish interests, while Jewish contractors make even more money off the weapons trade, then it's a win for the Judaics.

Blogger Chris Lopes May 02, 2021 1:54 PM  

Well we've already done the "land war in Asia" thing, might as well fill up the stupidity bingo card.

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2021 1:57 PM  

> Can we have our republic back now?

Only if we can take it from those that will remain after the empire falls.

> who are the jews going to use

They think China. The Chinese think otherwise.

Blogger Brian D. Kennedy May 02, 2021 2:03 PM  

There are only two ways to "win" a war in Afghanistan: (1) stay as far away from it as possible in the first place; or (2) proclaim a handful of easily attainable and verifiable, but largely arbitrary objectives (e.g., hanging a few named tribal chieftains, blowing up some identifiable building complex) and then using overwhelming force to attain those goals as quickly as possible, preferably before winter. Declare victory, have a parade, give Flashman his V.C., and have done with it (for a few decades, at least).

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 May 02, 2021 2:18 PM  

If you are unwilling to lay waste to every man, woman, and child in the Middle Eastern country the just don't go there. Its pretty simple.

Blogger liberranter May 02, 2021 2:32 PM  

@ 8 Paulito:

No. At least not against anyone (perceived to be) weaker than itself.

Blogger LoneWolf May 02, 2021 2:33 PM  

Yes, but Gov. Mike Huckabee, Pastor John Hagee, and numerous other devout men of the cloth (not all of them as gluttonous as Huck and Hagee) have consistently maintained over the years that we must stay in Afghanistan to protect the Chosen People of Israel. "It's right there in the Bible," they say.

Blogger liberranter May 02, 2021 2:36 PM  

@14 Doktor Jeep:

And if we're not an empire any more, who are the jews going to use now?

The End of Empire (EoE) period would be an ideal time to pull a Ferdinand and Isabella and expel all the Jews from the U.S.A. If only the Heritage Americans had the stomach for it, even after all the nastiness they have suffered at Jewish hands...

Blogger Dan in Georgia May 02, 2021 2:47 PM  

If we see the Sunni Arabs start talking about pan-Arabism, then there’s your answer. I mean, you don’t expect Israel to attack Iran with their OWN soldiers, do you?

Blogger Emmanuel May 02, 2021 2:48 PM  

My opinion did not change in 20 years. USA just had to run a punitive expedition. No need for "nation building" or "exporting democracy", just "avenge 911". No need for boots on the ground either, just carpet bomb everything and partition the country. Send a few diplomats to explain the locals that they have a choice between stone age living standards (life expectancy included) or stopping support of US ennemies.

It was simple, it would have been cheap and probably succesfull.

Blogger Geoffroi de Bohemonde May 02, 2021 2:53 PM  

For it's Tommy this and Tommy that and throw him out, the brute! But it's thank you Mr Atkins when the guns begin to shoot

Blogger Beto May 02, 2021 2:54 PM  

Thank God. This stupid experiment is finally coming to an end.

Blogger map May 02, 2021 2:56 PM  

Afghanistan is important because that's where the poppy fields are. The most important business is the drug business and human trafficking. That is why empires have always been involved in Afghanistan.

Blogger Dan in Georgia May 02, 2021 3:01 PM  

Won’t happen, but I can fantasize: as we pull our last aircraft out, and still have air superiority, the last flight of hundreds of helos is to blanket the poppy fields in Agent Orange (or Roundup) along with heavy doses of salt. At least we’d have something to show for all the blood and trillions we spent there.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2021 3:24 PM  

SonyAD:
It really makes you think and realise that there are indeed some discernible underlying patterns in and under the frothy and foamy apparent chaos of history and what we think of as reality.

But of course; human nature never changes. The entire foundation of progressivism is a Satanic lie that they tell to themselves first, and then try to force on the rest of us.

Blogger Crew May 02, 2021 3:44 PM  

The crash, when it comes will be sudden. No doubt, if the WaPo and NY Slimes still exist they will claim the "US unexpectedly shattered into pieces!"

Blogger Shadow Banisher May 02, 2021 3:48 PM  

Empire, the heretic dream, a man who would make his will law
Endless, by conquest provide, "spend your tomorrow" the call
Helpless, the people subdued, nation upon nation falls
The victor spoils your hard earned toils
Submit or be destroyed

Paranoia, terrorize,
Welfare, warfare,
State as God

Liars and prophets of doom, forsaking tomorrow today
Ten thousand feet march to you home and bring taxes or death
The merciless arise...

Sky bound, looking for the high ground,
But the graveyard of empires is what we found
Sky bound, looking for the high ground,
But the graveyard of empires is what we found

Willful, most arrogant man, pretensions to holy thrones
Central, his tentacles reach into each and all of our homes
Deadly, the will is consumed, the head and the heart are weighed down
Resist, do not submit, we'll burn this empire to the ground
Let's burn it to the ground

Sky bound, looking for the high ground,
But the graveyard of empires is what we found


~ The Showdown

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2021 3:51 PM  

Doktor Jeep:
And if we're not an empire any more, who are the jews going to use now?

Oh, the worldies are screwed, and it's their own damn fault for thinking they could just consume our wealth like locusts and move on. They have fouled their last nest.

They tried re-coopting Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, but they were jailed and banished, finding that there is a limit to money power when the natives are sufficiently ruthless.

They tried re-creating a Germany-led European empire, but the EU was stillborn, corrupt and ineffectual right out of the gate. They didn't give it time to grow, positioning themselves for maximal franc extraction from before its beginning.

They tried decamping to China, but the Han are shameless ethnic supremacists and wouldn't give them an inch, so they couldn't take a mile as planned.

Much of world history of the last 70 years is the story of wealthy worldies trying to find a way to treat America like every other place they conquered, going back thousands of years. Trying -- and failing -- to find another nest to settle in while slowly extracting all of our value (the whole point of the "soft landing" economic plan).

I assert that with the jet engine, the world is too small and history moves too fast for their ancient instincts to serve them well any more.

Blogger Crew May 02, 2021 4:04 PM  

@34: But of course; human nature never changes.

Well, that is not exactly true. Human nature changes but it takes many generations to see the difference and it is small. Over 20 generations you might see noticeable change and over 100 generations real change.

Blogger Crew May 02, 2021 4:20 PM  

Rudyard Kipling for the win!

Blogger Matthew T May 02, 2021 4:25 PM  

Would be hilarious, if the Antichrist appeared and turned out to be a Sicilian.

Blogger van helsing May 02, 2021 4:32 PM  

it wasn't pointless. the point was to die for and spend treasure for izzy. so he can make bucks while he continues bastardizing your country with imports and other bad policies. isn't greater israel grand?

Blogger Balam May 02, 2021 4:51 PM  

@Emmanuel
''Send a few diplomats to explain the locals that they have a choice between stone age living standards (life expectancy included) or stopping support of US ennemies.''

Surely you don't believe that Deep State and Co. sent US blood to die in order to stop support of US enemies. The ones sending troops over ARE the US enemies. Add that premise to your assessment and you can see that sending the troops to 'empire build' was a very good decision indeed!

Blogger flyingtiger May 02, 2021 5:55 PM  

19) Wrong. The Barbary Pirates were enslaving Christian Americans be fore Israel was created. Islam is at war with everyone else.

Blogger LadyGerbil May 02, 2021 6:10 PM  

No more empires, this is the end of all of that.

Next up, a Kingdom of the whole earth.

I cannot wait.

Blogger LadyGerbil May 02, 2021 6:13 PM  

@38,

>Human nature changes but it takes many generations to see the difference and it is small. Over 20 generations you might see noticeable change and over 100 generations real change.

Take one thousand generations, human nature NEVER changes. Go read the bible, see it throughout four thousand years. Same the past two thousand years. Nothing new under the sun.

Blogger A trite re-white May 02, 2021 6:19 PM  

My little brother died in Afghanistan.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2021 7:20 PM  

A trite re-white:
My little brother died in Afghanistan.

I take that as a punch to the gut. Evil people pretending to speak for me sent him to his death for trivial reasons, and it's on me that I haven't meted out proportional punishment.

At the same time, American children reportedly had 150,000 excess deaths in 2020 over 2021. And they're practically immune to the 'rona, so that was caused by the gov't.

It is well known in Democratic circles that a recession takes people that were already at the margins of society and pushes some of them out, and some of them die, and some of those are kids.

They do not actually care about human lives, but it is a core concept in the rhetoric that they use in the social combat that we call politics.

So it is impossible that Dr. Fauci was unaware of that when he advised business closures. So he must be a monster in human skin, with a deliberate kill count in the six figures, many of them children.

And so I feel for your loss. And at the same time, it's a tiny part of the total. And at the same time, that doesn't make his life worth any less; it only increases the cost that our conquerors need to pay for.

Blogger pdxr13 May 02, 2021 7:29 PM  

The Russians were winning in Afghanistan until Charlie Wilson gave the Muj a solution to the Hind problem. Soviet Plan: All Afghans will be dead or in Paki camps, Afghanistan will be populated by Soviet Settlers and mining companies.

Blogger Arcane Rhino May 02, 2021 7:45 PM  

I have whimsically wondered from time to time, is Afghanistan where empires go to die or is Afghanistan where dying empires finally go?

@46 My sincere condolences.

Blogger Lando May 02, 2021 8:17 PM  

Where's Charlie Wilson when ya need him?

[sarc]

Blogger Mathias May 02, 2021 8:40 PM  

@Arcane Rhino,

Both situations are homologous to one another, only differing in relative perspective.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2021 8:50 PM  

Sorry, that was excess deaths in 2020 over 2019. And I can find the reference if requested.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 02, 2021 8:53 PM  

So it is impossible that Dr. Fauci was unaware of that when he advised business closures. So he must be a monster in human skin, with a deliberate kill count in the six figures, many of them children.

If there's anyone I'd inflict the old English sentence of hanging, drawing, and quartering on, it's Fauci.

Blogger SciVo May 02, 2021 9:00 PM  

@Arcane Rhino:
I have whimsically wondered from time to time, is Afghanistan where empires go to die or is Afghanistan where dying empires finally go?

Is it a suicide by Afghani or an elephant graveyard? Definitely the latter; we could just leave at any time, and they couldn't do anything to stop or pursue us; we are clearly the bully.

But for some reason we have tottered over there in our senescence and insist to stay until dead.

Blogger Canadian Warlord May 02, 2021 9:35 PM  

Afghanistan as a single country can't work as it's a territory set up as a non-country practically 'agreed' upon by the Russian, English, and Persian empires. It's been peacemeal occupied by various interests but being islamic, the place hasn't recovered since the Mongols.

It served a purpose as an opium production facility and a huge pit to throw money into for as long as the USA can stomach. It allowed the US Army to move into Pakistan and menace China. It let CENTCOM to menace Russia, Iran, occupy Uzbekistan, and move into Central Asia as per "the grand chessboard."

But none of that is in the interest of the US public.

Blogger vmax71 May 02, 2021 9:40 PM  

@46: God bless you and your family

Blogger WestByGod Bear May 02, 2021 10:02 PM  

"The most famous, never get involved in a land war in asia"

Seems relevant

Blogger RadixMalorum May 02, 2021 10:25 PM  

Crew wrote:Well, that is not exactly true. Human nature changes but it takes many generations to see the difference and it is small. Over 20 generations you might see noticeable change and over 100 generations real change.

The same fundamentals that make up human nature 2000 years ago haven't changed. The drive to reproduce. The drive for more resources. The drive for higher status. The drive to out compete with tribal and personal rivals. None of these have changed fundamentally.

Give it 1000 generations and we'll re-check on your hypothesis. But for now your idea appears to be unsubstantiated.

Blogger Delete May 02, 2021 10:59 PM  

USA got rekt!!!

Blogger A trite re-white May 03, 2021 3:52 AM  

Thanks SciVo

Blogger Paul M May 03, 2021 5:46 AM  

LoneWolf wrote:"It's right there in the Bible," they say.
"They" being a bunch of heretics who have never actually read the Book of Romans.

Blogger Paul M May 03, 2021 5:49 AM  

Dan in Georgia wrote:the last flight of hundreds of helos is to blanket the poppy fields in Agent Orange (or Roundup) along with heavy doses of salt.
Not necessary. The taliban burned the poppy fields. It was CIA-backed warlords who replanted them. Opium cultivation is one crime not to be laid against Islam.

Blogger CopperMaran May 03, 2021 8:42 AM  

"46. A trite re-white
My little brother died in Afghanistan."

Very sorry for your loss.
God bless and keep you in His arms.

Blogger HighIQQQ May 03, 2021 11:16 AM  

Never forget.

Blogger HighIQQQ May 03, 2021 11:32 AM  

I bought the neocon arguments of spreading freedom, democracy, and apple pie for some time. Then I found out about racial IQ differences and the apparent requirement of at least an average 90 IQ for a remotely free society. Had I known that, I wouldn’t have supported Iraq or Afghanistan and I imagine many others wouldn’t have either. Maybe the wars wouldn’t have happened had people known this. From that, the rhetoric flows quite obviously. For suppressing these truths, “SJWs lied, people died.” “Neocons lied, nations died.” “...cultures died.” “...civilization died.” “...indoor plumbing died.” Take your pick. Mix and match. This isn’t left/right. A Vox on both their houses.

Blogger RadixMalorum May 03, 2021 6:05 PM  

HighIQQQ wrote:hen I found out about racial IQ differences and the apparent requirement of at least an average 90 IQ for a remotely free society.

By "free" what you really mean is prosperous.

Blogger J. Samples May 03, 2021 10:36 PM  

ISAF= I Saw Americans Fighting.

Funny how rhetoric works.

Blogger SciVo May 04, 2021 1:37 AM  

VFM #7634 wrote:If there's anyone I'd inflict the old English sentence of hanging, drawing, and quartering on, it's Fauci.

I favor a simple public disemboweling. There is something about watching stray dogs play with your intestines that would be particularly horrific.

Blogger CF Neal May 04, 2021 3:11 PM  

26. pernicious slander of poisonous sarcasm,
defaming by framing narratives of falsity,
clumsily chomping at the bit,
a bite off the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good & of evil,
tasty sweet, bitter of belly, sour of soul & unsettling of spirit

mercy

grace

https://soundcloud.com/ryanpaulbuck/god-of-mercy

ANATHEMA MARANATHA

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