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Monday, May 31, 2021

Memorializing a massive mistake

Already, nearly one-third of Americans either aren't sure or believe that US involvement in WWII was a mistake. They're absolutely right to doubt the wisdom or the justice of US military involvement, particularly on Memorial Day. WWII was a massive mistake for Americans, a far more catastrophic and costly mistake than Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan combined, with serious consequences that led directly to the decline of the American nation and the expected collapse of the USA as a political entity. 

I can assure you that if every U.S. citizen were to read Stalin's War, which is an excellent and well-sourced revisionist history by Sean McMeekin that relies heavily upon Soviet records that were not available before 1989, that 32 percent figure would rise to at least 98 percent.

More than 75 years after the conclusion of World War Two, one third of Americans are questioning the country's decision to send troops into battle. A new Economist/YouGov poll suggests that doubters believe it to be a mistake or are unsure if it was the right decision. 

The poll, which was timed to coincide with Memorial Day, asked people for their opinions were on the decision to send American troops to fight in particular wars.

The question was asked: 'Do you think the United States made a mistake sending troops to fight in the following wars?' 

The poll considered conflicts spread over more than 100 years including both World Wars, the Vietnam War and the more recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

Some 14 percent of Americans said they believed sending troops to fight the Nazi-led Axis powers during World War II was a mistake and an additional 18 percent weren’t sure, although the support for the decision to send troops to fight the Nazis received more support than any other war at 68 percent.

However, one third of Americans were still unsure if President Roosevelt made the right decision.

President Roosevelt didn't make the right decision. In fact, it is now obvious and well-documented that both President Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were very clearly taking orders from someone, presumably someone connected to the small group of Jews who declared war on Germany in 1933, and that both elected leaders were instructed to back Stalin without question, even to the direct and material detriment of their own soldiers, countries, and national interests. The treasonous subservience of Roosevelt, in particular, eventually resulted in the attempted mass murder of 28 million Germans by US Secretary of State Henry Morgenthau, and also created the industrial Soviet Union by propping up the Soviet economy for 40 years despite the intrinsic economic dysfunctionality of communism.

  • Stalin's looting battalions were able to cart off from Germany alone, by the end of 1946, 4.15 million tons of industrial, commercial, artistic, and intellectual property in 519,000 railway wagons-an operation that would ultimately net Stalin 9.991 million tons of industrial goods.
  • If we include non-German countries, the Soviet intake of war booty totaled, by the end of 1947, the equipment, inventory, intellectual property, and records of 1.2 million separate factories or enterprises, including Siemens, BMW, and Allianz Insurance.
  • So voluminous were American lend-lease shipments across the Pacific to the Far East in this period-during the climactic phase of the war against Japan-that they equaled the volume shipped across the North Atlantic during the entire war to support the Red Army against the Wehrmacht, rounding out a total shipped across the Pacific of 8.244 million tons, which did not even include the warplanes flown into Siberia via ASLIB along with the sensitive and often strategic cargo they contained.

The mass pillaging of Germany, Romany, Poland, Hungary, and Yugoslavia actually cost the Soviets more than the so-called "Lend-Lease" material did, because the Soviets didn't get free shipping for their war booty. The Roosevelt administration not only gave the Soviet Union an unthinkable amount of industrial material, food, factories, and military supplies, it didn't even charge the Soviets anything for the costs of transporting everything from Iowa and Ohio to Vladivostok.

However, Stalin not only double-crossed Roosevelt and Churchill, he also eventually betrayed their masters, which is one reason today's neoclowns now reside in the United States and are still banging the drum for a revenge war with Russia as they try to redefine the concept of "the West" in the same self-serving way they redefined "America" as an idea instead of an actual people.

And, just to make matters worse, Roosevelt summarily rejected Germany's attempt to surrender to the Western Allies in April 1943, despite the fact that Stalin was not only willing to accept an end to the war, but offered Germany a separate peace in two rounds of negotiations held in Stockholm through the spring of 1943 if Hitler would agree to the 1939 frontiers that had been originally agreed in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Of course Hitler, being an idiot, didn't accept the Soviet offer.

The undeniable historical fact is that D-Day was totally unnecessary, as Germany attempted to surrender more than TWO YEARS before its surrender was finally accepted in May 1945. In other words, every single American life lost in the campaign on the Western Front was a needless sacrifice and a tragic waste.

Happy Memorial Day.

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171 Comments:

Blogger Brett baker May 31, 2021 5:53 AM  

Point out the Holocaust didn't start until after the US was at war with Germany and watch heads explode...

Blogger The Observer May 31, 2021 5:56 AM  

But... but rayciss. And death camps. And six gorillion. Oy vey!

Blogger Leo Littlebook ID:16216229492837658552 May 31, 2021 5:58 AM  

At least we have immigrant pedophile drag queen story hour.

Blogger White Knight Leo #0368 May 31, 2021 6:01 AM  

I've been coming around to this idea myself, but honestly I think hindsight plays too strong of a role here. WW1 is the much-clearer example of sending troops in error, given how opposed most Americans were to sending troops even at the time, and WW2 would have been very different if popular opinion had won the day on that conflict.

Blogger محمد ایزدی May 31, 2021 6:10 AM  

What the Third Reich took with it when it went down:

The West



P.S.: The 'USA' is an out and out anti-religious, masonic, devilish entity. It's structurally anti-West. It was established to exhaust the White West....and that it did with remarkable efficiency.

The Occident is doomed as long as the USA stands.

Just count how many men of European descent have been killed directly by Potomac elite in the last 200 hundred years both within and without in the name of the satanic 'freedom'?

Blogger IamDevo May 31, 2021 6:24 AM  

The indisputable fact that the State Department and Cabinet under Roosevelt were either bona fide communists or at least Soviet sympathizers explains as much as anything does about American involvement in the war. Whether the Jewish ancestry of these commie symps was the cause or the result of their communism remains, to me a mystery. Also, it is clear that Churchill bore a tremendous animus toward Germany and all things German. ("They are either at your feet or at your throat," if I recall the quote accurately.) Churchill's activities in the Boer War and England's barbaric treatment of the Boers in that conflict is disturbing. Of course, the England/Germany rivalry goes back centuries, as does the two countrys' strangely incestuous political history. It's like sibling rivalry played out on the world stage.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 6:27 AM  

I think hindsight plays too strong of a role here.

Leo, you've been repeatedly warned not to opine in ignorance. You clearly haven't read any of the relevant books or source material concerned. Your statement is astonishingly stupid in light of how the facts that were known to all of the decision makers at the time are now being revealed to the public.

This isn't about hindsight at all. Hindsight has literally nothing to do with it. We're only now learning the truth of what was happening. Roosevelt's officials and ambassadors ho weren't owned by the same people who owned him or didn't report directly to Stalin were constantly pleading with him not to do what he was doing, and were fired for doing so.

Even Stalin thought the "unconditional surrender" demand was stupid and unnecessary, and hearing about the Morgenthau Plan is almost certainly what caused Hitler to transfer troops to the Western Front in order to launch the Ardennes Offensive.

Blogger Unknown May 31, 2021 6:28 AM  

Once the Japanese decided it would be fun to have a Bataan Death March, America needed to destroy their country.

Once we finally gained control of their evil nation, and learned about the many war crimes, including the vivisection of our airmen, we should have lined up every Japanese and made 9 of them beat the 10th to death.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 6:40 AM  

You're an idiot, Unknown. If war crimes are your metric, then the USA deserves to be destroyed 75 times over.

Between 500 and 650 Americans died in the Bataan Death March. Roosevelt planned to shoot 50,000 German officers without trial after the war was over. Fortunately, he died first.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 6:43 AM  

Also, it is clear that Churchill bore a tremendous animus toward Germany and all things German.

It's true, and yet Churchill was horrified by what Stalin and Roosevelt were planning to do to Germany after the war, and tried unsuccessfully to stop it. Roosevelt forced Churchill to sign off on the Morgenthau Plan by threatening to bankrupt the UK.

Blogger Unknown May 31, 2021 6:49 AM  

A bit of music on youtube for everyone, as you reflect on Memorial Day in the United States.

Courtesy of Blues Clues: https://youtu.be/d4vHegf3WPU

Blogger Thomas Preston May 31, 2021 6:50 AM  

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Blogger Felix Bellator May 31, 2021 6:52 AM  

VD in OP, "...but offered Hitler peace if he would agree to the 1939 frontiers originally agreed in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Of course Hitler, being an idiot, didn't accept it."

It is data points like this, the conduct of the battle for Stanlingrad, and other strategic "stupid" or "insane" decisions by Hitler that make me wonder if Hitler was under control as well. Stupidity or insanity do not explain all the colossal blunders Hitler made. Either would occasionally luck out, i.e., blunder into the better decision.

Blogger Stephen May 31, 2021 6:55 AM  

Doesn't this reduce the Greatest Generation to tragic dupes?
Dupes who tragically raised their progeny in constant traumatic fear, hiding under school desks awaiting immanent nuclear vaporization.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 31, 2021 6:58 AM  

"Americans" good Lord knows what passes for Americans and what information they have been exposed to much less how they process it these days. I'd bet somewhere if you asked those who responded negatively to America's role in WWII they would somehow work the evil word "racist" into the conversation, or they came across enough Muslims with their skewed perceptions of America as the idiot brother to his guardian Israel.

The one hypothesis put forward why the Morgenthau plan was leaked was to drive Germans towards the communists and the Soviets after the war. I'd say in reality the Morgenthau plan is for Americans especially the white ones if they are not fodder for war or sex.

Blogger Slippin JImmy May 31, 2021 7:13 AM  

There would have been no Hitler but for the fact that after the Great War the American government and banks demanded full repayment of all loans made to a economically broken France who sought to make it good through reparations from Germany.

Blogger The Depolrable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 31, 2021 7:15 AM  

Alas, it's true and count me as one of those with regret over WWII (and WWI). Over the past few years I've discovered that everything I've been taught and led to believe since childhood is a damned lie and a pernicious one at that. Everybody I know and grew up with are in the same boat. It's a shocking thing because this stuff is formative to your world views, especially if you were a Cold War kiddo. What a thing to see all your foundational assumptions about the world cascading down like a line of dominoes.

It takes great energy and will to deceive such a great mass of people, the entire "free" world no less, so thoroughly for so long. And that is what was required. Are you mad? I'm furious about it.

Blogger Badpainter May 31, 2021 7:16 AM  

I've long said WWI was the biggest foreign policy mistake the US made in the 20th Century. Still haven't figured out how the Germans were the bad guys in that fight, other than by losing.

Blogger Mathias May 31, 2021 7:18 AM  

@Stephen,

(((Who))) named them the "Greatest Generation"? Why would that sort consider them great? A great dupe is great in (((their))) eyes indeed.

Blogger The Observer May 31, 2021 7:21 AM  

Doesn't this reduce the Greatest Generation to tragic dupes?

Yes. Yes, they were dupes.

Blogger Mr Traumaboyy May 31, 2021 7:24 AM  

Agreed!! Still enjoying listening to The Rising Sun by John Toland while at work. Happy Memorial day!!

Blogger Evangeline May 31, 2021 7:28 AM  

You must be fun at parties.
Why put this out there on Memorial Day. It's not enough, what we have going on? People being mindful of their military dead is not sufficiently hard, they need to know it was for nothing. Kind.

Blogger John Regan May 31, 2021 7:29 AM  

Small point: unless there's been some revision since last I checked, both Germany and Japan surrendered in 1945, Germany in May and Japan in September. V-E and V-J day, doncha know.

I was not aware that Germany had also offered to surrender earlier, but I became belatedly aware of Japan's offer, before the A-bombs were dropped. I've had discussions with people about the morality of those bombings and people who approve are impervious. Even when you point out that all the justifications offered for Hiroshima cannot possibly be used to justify Nagasaki three days later.

Blogger Starhemberg May 31, 2021 7:30 AM  

Just started Stalin’s War. Another good read on this subject is Pat Buchanan‘s aptly titled The Unnecessary War.

Blogger Gettimothy May 31, 2021 7:39 AM  

The blood lust of Morgenthau is chilling.

Blogger Vernon May 31, 2021 7:44 AM  

"American Betrayal" by Diana West gives an extensive, documented history of Soviet penetration of the US government and especially the State Department during WW 2. Highly recommended.

Blogger RobertDWood May 31, 2021 7:44 AM  

This fits a lot of puzzle pieces together for me, thank you for writing the essay.

A. Churchill was a drunk dupe who failed upward all over his career. Dardanelles in particular was horrible.
B. Roosevelt was a tyrant's fist wrecking the USA and consistently made horrible choices for the interests of the USA.
C. Both men had their finest hour at the time of the world greatest need as they joined communist Stalin in wrecking Germany? Doesn't add up.
D. Turns out it really doesn't add up. They were both old men still making terrible decisions into their twilights.

Blogger English Tom May 31, 2021 7:45 AM  

@Felix Bellator

Henry Makow consistently makes the claim that Hitler was owned by others. There was Putzi Hanfstangel, an American adviser to Hitler, who just happened to be best buds with FDR.
Another startling connection is with Dietrich Eckhart, who Hitler dedicated Mein Kampf to. Eckhart was a disciple of Alastair Crowley, who worked for British Intelligence, thus there was one degree of separation between Hitler and British Intelligence.

Nothing is ever what it seems.

Blogger Paulito May 31, 2021 7:47 AM  

@22 Better the bitter truth than a sweet lie.

Blogger Cass Milton May 31, 2021 7:47 AM  

Some if the more destructive outcomes of the ww2 era occurred before the wsr and us involvement. European intellectual immigration to us universities in the 1930s destroyed our academic standards. Europe has been the pox americans run from but we invite them in after our success like kuds asking for approval.

Blogger English Tom May 31, 2021 7:53 AM  

People really should read, Friendly Fire: the secret war between the allies by Lynn Pinknett and 4 others. The book is based off official documents released under the 60 year rule which claims someone had the power to continue the war for an extra 2 years (ie from 1943).

You can also read an article by William Engdahl about the so called Narvik debacle, where Britain in 1940 attempted to secure the port of Narvik as Germany imported 40% of its iron ore through that port.
Losing that much iron ore would have made a major dent in Germany's ability to continue replacing war materiel.
The attempt 'failed' so we had to continue the war for another 5 years.

Aahh well!

Nothing is ever what it seems.

Blogger johndoe03526 May 31, 2021 7:53 AM  

My father served in the US 1st Infantry Division from 1941-45. In his later years he would occasionally say the wrong side won the war. It wasn't a happy memory for him.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 7:55 AM  

Why put this out there on Memorial Day.

Because that's when the poll results were published. It's good for people to learn that the sacrifices made by their grandfathers and fathers were in vain, so that they stop believing the same wicked monsters when they are told to sacrifice their sons and grandsons.

Blogger pyrrhus May 31, 2021 7:56 AM  

But WW1 and WW2 weren't a mistake for ((the bankers)), who seized control of America...

Blogger Leo Littlebook ID:16216229492837658552 May 31, 2021 7:56 AM  

> People being mindful of their military dead is not sufficiently hard, they need to know it was for nothing. Kind.

That is exactly when they should be reminded of the why, so their thoughts turn to rectification and revenge. Hm, I wonder (((who))) illegitimately gained territory as a result of that war?

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 7:58 AM  

The blood lust of Morgenthau is chilling.

Now note that he was the Permanent President of the Bretton Woods Conference and was the individual most responsible for the mass migration of Jews to the USA after WWII.

Blogger FLOlson May 31, 2021 8:01 AM  

10. VD:

"It's true, and yet Churchill was horrified by what Stalin and Roosevelt were planning to do to Germany after the war, and tried unsuccessfully to stop it. Roosevelt forced Churchill to sign off on the Morgenthau Plan by threatening to bankrupt the UK."

The more I learn about FDR, the more I loath him. And I didn't think it possible to loath him more than I already do.

Blogger Gettimothy May 31, 2021 8:03 AM  

Evangeline wrote:You must be fun at parties.

Why put this out there on Memorial Day. It's not enough, what we have going on? People being mindful of their military dead is not sufficiently hard, they need to know it was for nothing. Kind.


Yes, they do need to know the truth.
They need to know so that justice may be done.

I think you vastly underestimate the deep disdain held by heritage America for the wicked "ruling" class.

God is bringing all this truth to the fore; we are not helpless victims in our own lands, in His kingdom. We are expected to grow to face this evil. He does this for our own growing holiness.

He expects us to stop these monsters.

Blogger Mathias May 31, 2021 8:03 AM  

@22,

Kindness? There is no kindness in suborning and propagating a destructive lie. There is great Charity in giving Men the Truth, especially when it is a bitter medicine.

Blogger The Gaelic Lands May 31, 2021 8:11 AM  

Thanks Vox for taking an intelligent stand on this issue.

Churchill was the Yeltsin of his day. Like his father before him, a notorious drunk, deeply in debt to the Rothschild banking cartel and willing to do whatever was needed to keep his loans from being called in. EMJ’s Barren Metal is an excellent source on this topic.

Blogger Blunt Force May 31, 2021 8:22 AM  


The massive amount of treason and thievery of wealth, including Federal currency plates, trade and military secrets, even uranium and entire manufacturing facilities and the great slaughter of Christian men made possible by the Bolshevik controlled FDR is mind numbingly infuriating, but it happened and it was public knowledge, yet the greatest generation did nothing. The two books linked below should be required reading in all public and private schools.

From Major Jordan's Diaries
by George Racey Jordan

My reason for writing this book is very simple: I would like to keep the record straight. I want to put in permanent form. the full story of my experiences as a Lend-Lease expediter and liaison officer with the Russians during the war, when I served for two crucial years, from May 1942 to Lune 1944, both at Newark Airport and at the big air base at Great Falls, Montana.
https://archive.org/details/FromMajorJordansDiaries1952Signed?q=from+major+jordan%27s+diaries


Franklin Delano Roosevelt FDR My Exploited Father In Law
By Curtis B Dall

Dedicated to young Americans-May you benefit from observing how certain shadowy forces contrive to ruthlessly advance their own financial and ideological objectives at your expense. They select, then groom, and ultimately control many of our highest government officials. They plan the wars and through "foreign policy" arrange to set the stage for incidents to initiate hostilities. They overwork the word "Peace" to mislead you and create a plausible smoke screen in order to conceal their real operations. You can recognize who "they" are.

https://archive.org/details/DallCurtisB.FranklinDelanoRooseveltFDRMyExploitedFatherInLaw1970

Blogger cylindrical crown May 31, 2021 8:27 AM  

My father was a Marine in the Pacific theater during WW 2. He volunteered on December 8, 1941. About six months before he died in 2019, he told me that if he knew then what he knows now about this country, not only would he have not volunteered to join the Marines, he would have refused to fight in the military, even if it meant jail.

Blogger Skyler the Weird May 31, 2021 8:28 AM  

Roosevelt was as much a Dictator as Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini. Had he not been ravaged by Polio he might have ruled into the Fifties. Just read any book about the New Deal. People and businesses were cancelled for opposing his policies.

Blogger Blunt Force May 31, 2021 8:30 AM  

"The undeniable historical fact is that D-Day was totally unnecessary..."

The unnecessary loss of other peoples lives is never a determining factor in the great game of political feels.

OVERLORD: The Unnecessary Invasion
By

William F. Moore
Lieutenant Colonel, USAF
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AAF/NoOverlord/index.html

Blogger Shane Bradman May 31, 2021 8:32 AM  

My grandfather was a German POW and was always grateful to have been given to the French as a slave rather than stay in the American post-war concentration camps. The Americans were despicable. Anything bad alleged about the German leadership can be said about the Americans as well. Churchill, too, was pure evil, although the British men were as kind-hearted as demoralised soldiers can be.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 31, 2021 8:34 AM  

There is no shortage of accounts of starvation in Germany right after the war. In his biography "Dieter Must Fly" his mother had him and his brother scraping wall paper off the walls to eat. Between that and his stay in a Vietnamese POW camp he became a food hoarder, cannot blame him. At least at that time in the American Empire we had some gentiles that would stand up and not do stupid and evil crap that would have lost the peace when faced with looters like Morgenthau and his band of thieves. Now imagine today's moron gentiles of DC in a situation like that.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 31, 2021 8:38 AM  

This is why I don't "celebrate" as the proleretardiat stuff their fat faces today.
I could rant poetic on this matter but have before and will suffer it again.

Charles Lindbergh was right.

And America today is pure dysfunction born of any nation, or even like an individual, that lives a complete and total lie in a sea of lies. You can see it permeating through every last molecule of everything.

Blogger The Observer May 31, 2021 8:38 AM  

Even when you point out that all the justifications offered for Hiroshima cannot possibly be used to justify Nagasaki three days later.

I've heard that bombing the centers of Japanese Christianity was the price that the demons demanded for the revelations that made the bomb possible.

It's not just that, but numerous Christian monasteries, etc, in Europe with absolutely no strategic or military value were bombed and reduced to rubble, too.

Blogger theartistformerlyknownasgeorge May 31, 2021 8:41 AM  

Agreed.

Even in the best light possible I have a hard time respecting anything more than the warrior spirit of some, but I will thank the military for their "service" when I start leaving tips for waitresses at restaurants I've never eaten at.

Blogger The Lab Manager May 31, 2021 8:44 AM  

I've been reading Leon Degrelle's Campaign in Russia.

He was Belgian Catholic who joined the Waffen SS to fight for Hitler. You have to ask yourself why a Catholic would do this, and he gives his reasons. But Hitler was the worst of evil right?

Degrelle's book really captures the ugliness of that campaign: the fleas and lice, the lack of provisions, the bitter cold and frostbite, the death and destruction.

He writes of how most in the Ukraine welcomed the German army with open arms and were able to practice their religion for a time.

Lots of good stuff in here that they don't or won't tell you in history class.

Blogger rumpole5 May 31, 2021 8:45 AM  

I've thought for some time that continental Europeans were (and are) simply nutters. Europeans are the most brilliant and accomplished race that the world has ever known, but European history is just one self immolating disaster after another -- the 100 years war, the 30 years war, the French Revolution, the Napoleonic war, the Franco Prussian war, World War I / II, the cold war, and now the impending Eurasian war. The inhabitants of the Levant and non-Anglo Asia are just as crazy. The seafaring Anglosphere has been burned again and again whenever we've involved ourselves with these corrupt Eurasian continentals. We would do well to distance and detach ourselves from their peoples and affairs as much as possible.

Blogger Gettimothy May 31, 2021 8:48 AM  

VD wrote:The blood lust of Morgenthau is chilling.

Now note that he was the Permanent President of the Bretton Woods Conference and was the individual most responsible for the mass migration of Jews to the USA after WWII.


Illuminating, thank you.

Back then, he could operate in the shadows and their lies would work on us.
Light is now being shed upon him and his kind.

What I find puzzling is how our people once knew the character of these people and somehow they captured the imagination of Americans in Christendom.

Thank you for shining a light in the darkness.

FYI, I am a historical ignoramus and have only recently discovered frameworks which interest me through which I can begin to understand history. I doubt I will have anything interesting to say for at least 30 years.

God bless.

Blogger Blunt Force May 31, 2021 8:49 AM  

@27 It all becomes clearer when you see the visage of Roosevelt's live in handler, Louis Howe.

https://spartacus-educational.com/00howeL1.jpg

Blogger Heath Duane Whitaker May 31, 2021 8:55 AM  

Pick our own damn cotton, defend our own damn country and kill our own damn tyrants.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 31, 2021 8:58 AM  

This post today both stings and also justifies the building of my Library.
Why the sting?
"But before I begin showing the written evidence, let me first confess that prior to 20 years ago I was all in on America’s foreign policy adventures – I was just as naïve, ignorant and clueless as most Americans today. After all, we’re all public school grad-u-ates and......." - copied from https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-war-on-terror-no-its-actuallya-war.html?m=0 - which is just one post from a word search on WHO WANTS WAR. You can do the same and read for weeks.
The 20th century is undoubtedly the capstone for the Satan worshippers.
I literally get sick to my stomach reading some of the essays which review the events leading up to WWII.
Yeah - Happy Memorial Day!
Remember - TRUTH HURTS - and by God, we need it today!

Blogger [Redacted] May 31, 2021 9:06 AM  

@Evangeline
The party is over. I know veterans under 30 that became suicidal prescription drug addicts. They lost friends and ~party invites~ when they tried to talk about how they watched friends get limbs blown off to make rich men richer and poor people poorer. That, ostensibly, is what memorial day is honoring when you look past the 3-day-weekend and BBQ. You are selfish to put forward party quality as a standard.

Blogger Joe May 31, 2021 9:15 AM  

England and Germany split Christendom, you can't do something like that and not suffer the consequences.
European history is payback for schism, from the Fall of Constantinople to WWII and beyond.

Blogger Derangement Syndrome May 31, 2021 9:24 AM  

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Blogger pnq87 May 31, 2021 9:25 AM  

Everything American retards think they know about WW2 is wrong. EVERYTHING.

Remember that WW2 vet who was beaten by a black guy in a nursing home? Yeah? Well, he got what he deserved. He got what he fought for. It's too bad all WW2 vets couldn't meet the same fate.

Blogger Canadian Warlord May 31, 2021 9:29 AM  

Looking back at world war parts one and two, in North America more than anywhere else, it was all about social change at home. Women in the workforce, children raised by the state, old people in homes, total control of the economy. The west was certainly mortally wounded after 1920 with the giant debts accrued - the second war really may have been about strengthening the soviet union and bringing in globalism 2.0 in the un.

Blogger N.Schuster May 31, 2021 9:35 AM  

Germany declared on America. How does that fit in?

Blogger Star Tipper May 31, 2021 9:41 AM  

Interesting seeing Bernard Baruch mentioned in the Judea declaration. He was a friend of Churchill's from WWI and helped Churchill when Winston had personal financial troubles.

Blogger Matthew May 31, 2021 9:46 AM  

I've watched and studied much WW2 propaganda as a hobby. You know how everyone talks a bout how Hollywood used to be good and patriotic? It's all a lie.

The Hollywood produced propaganda films, particularly the 'Why We Fight' not only promulgate the 'America is an idea' lie, they even go as far as promulgating the 'America is a nation of immigrants' party line. They essentially say "diversity is our strength" when doing a run down of the different immigrant groups. Look up 'Why We Fight: The War Comes to America' if you're interested.

The truth that we've been lied to about the accomplishments of the so called "Greatest Generation" is very painful to some, but I embraced it years ago.

If you need to get some flag worshipping boomer to shut up today tell him that you'd rather live in a world where you have to speak German than Spanish.

Blogger steveaz May 31, 2021 9:52 AM  

Watch Saving Private Ryan and you'll notice that the War and its antagonists barely figure into the movie's plot. They are just window dressing on a petty American morality campaign.

I cannot view the War through the simple prism of my grade school text books any longer.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 10:03 AM  

Germany declared on America. How does that fit in?

Stalin and Roosevelt set it up by a) Stalin making peace with Japan on the Eastern Front and ruthlessly honoring it combined with b) Roosevelt pressuring Japan by cutting off their oil. That left Japan with only one choice, which was to go South Pacific.

But the reality is that Hitler knew the USA was already de facto at war with Germany due to its massive subsidies of the Soviet Union, and foolishly miscalculated that having Japan as an ally would make up for allowing Roosevelt to move openly against him. Of course, Roosevelt promptly ignored the Japanese and directed nearly all the US military resources against Germany.

What Hitler actually needed was Japan continuing the war against Russia on the Chinese border. If nothing else, that might have kept Zhukov occupied. But Stalin, unlike Hitler, was a geopolitical master, which was how he managed to defeat Japan, Germany, the US, the UK, and the Jews.

Blogger rondolf May 31, 2021 10:08 AM  

I don't know enough about Hitler to argue whether or not he was an idiot, but isn't it possible he didn't accept Stalin's terms because he assumed Stalin would just betray the peace the same way Hitler did in 41', and the same way Stalin was presumably about to? And if he had accepted the terms, and Stalin had betrayed him, those 1939 frontiers would have left Germany very little room to maneuver compared to where they were.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville May 31, 2021 10:12 AM  

Thanks VD for overturning yet another rock. I had no idea that international Jewry had openly declared war on Germany a full six years before the outbreak of war in 1939. I knew some about Morganthau's pernicious influence, but this is shocking. Ford and Lindbergh were right.

Evangeline demonstrates yet again why women should not be anywhere near the levers of power.

Blogger The Course of Empire May 31, 2021 10:13 AM  

Vox, I assume you've read Irving's "Churchill's War". do you agree with his position in it and would you recommend that people read it as well?

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 31, 2021 10:17 AM  

Vox, your -
"What Hitler actually needed was Japan continuing the war against Russia on the Chinese border. If nothing else, that might have kept Zhukov occupied. But Stalin, unlike Hitler, was a geopolitical master, which was how he managed to defeat Japan, Germany, the US, the UK, and the Jews."
What a masterful summary!
How do you keep doing that - time after time after time?
I keep telling my contacts I've never seen such an ability to be both succinct and complete.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 10:17 AM  

a full six years before the outbreak of war in 1939

Don't forget that the Japanese had been fighting China since 1931 and the Soviet Union from 1939 to 1941.

isn't it possible he didn't accept Stalin's terms because he assumed Stalin would just betray the peace

It doesn't matter. He needed the ceasefire for strategic purposes. And Stalin could have used the time to absorb Eastern Europe, which he was trying to take out of the US and UK's influence.

It's not as if Stalin trusted Japan, but he still made peace with them when he needed to move his forces to his western front.

Blogger rondolf May 31, 2021 10:22 AM  

Fair enough.

Blogger ZhukovG May 31, 2021 10:26 AM  

Vox, I think you've pointed out more than once that Hitler was really a Gamma. He was just in the right place at the right time, to overachieve.

Stalin was a master manipulator. But he killed Trotsky, so he wasn't all bad.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid May 31, 2021 10:27 AM  

Already on my reading list. I read about the insane industrial transfer in The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed, the USA was practically a satellite office for the USSR and it's masters. Fascinating that these truths have been out for several decades, undisturbed.

Blogger Rattlesnake_Kid May 31, 2021 10:48 AM  

I served and have a family history thick with service and shed blood. There is no better time for this. My people will not rest in falsehood.

Blogger Lee May 31, 2021 10:49 AM  

Wow, you guys REALLY hate America! Comment #59 (pnq87) was particularly horrifying.

I agree its pretty hard to know what is true these days, and in like manner I doubt anyone that believes they have a monopoly on it. An academic discussion on the topic could be useful, the vitriol in this thread feels more like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Its Memorial Day, I thank the young men who sacrificed their lives for what they believed.

Blogger Karen took the Kids May 31, 2021 10:59 AM  

Has anything horrific happened to the US in the last two hundred years that didn't have a child of satan involved somewhere down the line.

Blogger The Last Roman May 31, 2021 11:15 AM  

I recall one professor only speaking of the Morgenthau Plan in hushed tones after class. Years later, as a grad student, I was laughed at by a Welsh professor for stating that Roosevelt's policy of unconditional surrender extended the war and cost millions of lives. Funny to think that decades later men still can't speak freely about that war.

Blogger Rebel Skate May 31, 2021 11:23 AM  

In the later months of 1941 Roosevelt had our destroyers openly attacking U-boats.
Roosevelt was provoking a war with both Japan and Germany.
Hitler's declaration of war makes some sense when viewed in that context

Blogger tdcommenter May 31, 2021 11:25 AM  

The sentiment is neatly summed up the title of this rant at the Cynical Libertarian Society: "Stating The Obvious 0691 – Did My Grandfather Fight In World War II and Put Up With My Grandmother So I Could Live In The Retarded Dystopia?"

Blogger The Observer May 31, 2021 11:27 AM  

Funny to think that decades later men still can't speak freely about that war.

Of course not. You're questioning the doctrine of modernity and the foundational narrative of today's clown world.

Blogger English Tom May 31, 2021 11:37 AM  

@Lee

They sacrificed their lives so that anyone who points out men cannot become women is charged with hate crime and runs the risk of being cancelled.

They sacrificed so ZOG could destroy our civilisation.

They sacrificed their lives for a lie.

Blogger MarkyMark May 31, 2021 11:42 AM  

I don't recall where I read this, but it makes sense. A theory states that Japan was in China not just for Manchuria and its resources; it was there to fight the communists. Remember that Mao and his communists were founded in 1920, and were working to overthrow the Nationalist government. SO, the theory states that Japan was trying to fight the communist scrourge across the sea.

What was FDR to do? He wanted to help the communists (his gov't was FILLED with 'em!). We didn't have an compelling interests in either the European or Asian wars raging in the late 1930s. He wanted to help the USSR, but couldn't goad German U-boats in to attacking our ships-even though they were HELPING Britian by escorting her ships; Hitler wouldn't take the bait during 1940. So, FDR used the back door; he goaded Japan, a fellow Axis member, in to attacking Pearl Harbor.

During 1940, LCDR Arthur McCollum, who was with Naval Intelligence, came up with an eight point plant to goad Japan in to "committing the first overt act"; this plan was called the McCollum Memo, and all its points were eventually implemented. Among the points was to embargo oil and base the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. The Pacific Fleet had mainly been based on the US west coast.

Before I continue, let me say this: Pearl Harbor is SMALL! I know, because I was based there for two years. I can't imagine the whole US Pacific Fleet being based there. The Enterprise and her escorts came in for a few days, and it was bedlam there! Things were tight at Pearl Harbor while they were there.

Pearl Harbor is also in the middle of the Pacific. Everything has to be imported, including parts, fuel, and supplies.

Basing the US Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor also was meant to provoke the Japanese, and it did.

For those reasons and more, basing the fleet at Pearl Harbor makes no sense at all. Admiral Kimmel's predecessor, Admiral Richardson, was so vehemently opposed to moving the fleet to Pearl that he fought FDR over it, and he was subsequently removed for his opposition to the move.

Having successfully goaded Japan in to attacking; having intercepted and broken their diplomatic codes; FDR and his high officials all KNEW the attack was coming. How much did they know? Let me put it to you this way: Captain Johann Raneft, the Dutch Naval Attache, visited the Naval Department in early December, 1941, and he saw a map on the wall. He asked what it was; he was told that they (i.e. the US Navy) were tracking the Yammamoto's fleet was it made its way to Hawaii! They knew, yet they allowed it to happen anyway.

One must remember that, prior to December 7th, 1941, the mood was very much anti-war; after WWI, America wanted NO PART of foreign wars! The isolationist movement was big, and counted Charles Lindbergh among its members. Ah, but there's more...

For those who know about what happened in DC on the morning of December 7th, you'll know that General George C. Marshall, who Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was unavailable; no one could get a hold of him! Here we were, on the brink of war (something abundantly clear to the public at the time), yet FDR's head war fighter was no where to be found! It was discovered some years later that, on the morning of December 7th, 1941, that General Marshall had gone to the airport to pick up and meet with a high level official from the USSR. Oh and BTW, Marshall was rumored to be a communist!

In closing, based on what I've found out over the years, I'm convinced that FDR and his top officials were communists. They were trying to help the communists. How best to do it? Help both the USSR and Chairman Mao by entering the war.

Blogger Angantyr May 31, 2021 11:43 AM  

And given what we now know about China, we should have been *helping*, not hindering, the efforts of the Imperial Japanese Army & Navy - let alone provoking Japan into a war with us. Heck, even the "good" Chinese (Taiwan) have given us quite a crop of traitors. Ted Lieu (D-CA) comes to mind.

Tojo did nothing wrong.

Blogger MarkyMark May 31, 2021 11:46 AM  

Oh, and another reason why it was necessary for the US to enter WWII was to fundamentally change American society. Think about what happened during the war: gas rationing, federal gov't dictates to industry, and getting women out of the home. None of these things could've been done with out WWII.

Oh, and the globalist League of Nations failed because we didn't take part in it. The UN, of course, replaced the League of Nations. WWII was necessary to get us involved in the UN.

Blogger Unknown May 31, 2021 11:55 AM  

>"that 32 percent figure would rise to at least 98 percent"

Oh, I see what you did there VD. Very sublime (and demographics data driven) joke. Bravo :D

Blogger Christopher May 31, 2021 11:58 AM  

But Stalin, unlike Hitler, was a geopolitical master

Did Stalin read Machievalli?

I'm wondering if you or the ilk have thoughts to share on Stalin vs. Hitler in terms of one particular chapter of Machievalli's Discourses on Livy ('whether it's better, when apprehending an attack, to await it at home, or to carry the war into the enemy's country' Book 2? Ch 12)?

My own are they both might have done well in terms Machievalli discusses: H to attack, since his people might have been unaccustomed for war on their own land but had a good army and by invading might chase Stalin down and 'de-throne' him, which might have permitted a livable peace; and S to let them come on (if that's what he did), since he had good arms, a sort of disciplined population, space to yield, troops to lose, and allies to use.

So perhaps the Soviet deployment was a gigantic Kobayashi Maru for H, a no win trap?

Further, I wonder if S and others wanted the war in their own lands so as to provide cover or distraction for something else?

Blogger Lee May 31, 2021 12:13 PM  

English Tom, GI Joe risked his life for God, country and family. don't try pinning your modern sensibilities on a young man that died 80 years ago.

To the discussion in general, post WWI Germany was a struggle between fascism and communism, with fascism coming out on top. Britain and the US had admirers of both systems, which were relatively new and their flaws had not yet been revealed.

Had Hitler been successful in taking Britain, all of Europe would have been fascist, and perhaps the war in the west would have ended. Whether things would be better 80 years later under that scenario is impossible to know.

Blogger MJ May 31, 2021 12:22 PM  

How many Americans know that Germany offered a peace treaty to the UK in 1940? And it was a fair one in my opinion. The whole catastrophe could easily have been avoided.

Blogger RobbyIlluminknotty May 31, 2021 12:23 PM  

You wrote that "Churchill was horrified by what Stalin and Roosevelt were planning to do to Germany after the war". Is that covered in Stalin's War? Please elaborate and suggest a reference. Thanks, R

Blogger KingKrawFish May 31, 2021 12:36 PM  

But the Boomers tell me we’d be speaking German now if America hadn’t entered WWII...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 31, 2021 12:37 PM  

Lee wrote:Its Memorial Day, I thank the young men who sacrificed their lives for what they believed.
Deluded young men, who were fooled into dying to destroy what they thought they were fighting for.

Blogger rcocean May 31, 2021 12:38 PM  

I dispute that Stalin "Double crossed" Churchill or FDR. FDR basically gave Stalin everything he wanted, so its hard to see what Stalin did that FDR would've disapproved of. Stalin DID renege on having free, open elections in Poland, but since FDR never expected or cared about Poland its hard to see how FDR was double crossed.

Why am I focusing in on this? Because "double crossed" implies FDR would've opposed what Stalin did, but Stalin "fooled him". IN fact, Bullitt a former Ambassador the USSR had told FDR what Stalin was all about. So did others. Despite what others have written, there was ZERO reason in 1941-1945 to consider that Stalin was any less of a monster than Hitler. All this nonsense about "Russia is an enigma wrapped in a riddle" is just justification for the immorality.

Blogger MJ May 31, 2021 12:38 PM  

So now Mcmeekin has written Stalin's War to go along with David Irving's Churchill's War and Hitler's War. Who will be the dissident historian to write Roosevelt's War? My guess is a non-American if the writer wants to get it published.

Blogger English Tom May 31, 2021 12:42 PM  

@Unknown

The japs attacked Pearl Harbour because the US hit them with very serious sanctions, including a total oil embargo.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 12:48 PM  

I dispute that Stalin "Double crossed" Churchill or FDR

You're wrong. Stalin played everyone, including those two. He agreed to very, very different plans for all of Eastern Europe. Churchill figured it out just in time to save Greece.

But Stalin's best double-cross was in Asia. He took a tremendous amount of territory by refusing to break with Japan until after the first atomic bomb was dropped, then rapidly invading Manchuria and Korea. If Truman hadn't replaced FDR, he would have ended up with all of Korea plus Hokkaido.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 12:53 PM  

Why am I focusing in on this?

We know. Because you're determined to prove that you're a Smart Boy.

And yet, you've completely missed the point that Stalin was far more of a monster than most people understand. FDR and Churchill were both fooled, because they thought Stalin took orders from the same people they did. But he played his would-be masters too.

Thus began a renewed period of Soviet terror, fed by increasing paranoia about Jews and other pro-Western cosmopolitans, that would last until Stalin’s death in 1953.

Blogger Lee May 31, 2021 1:09 PM  

#91- so what you are saying is the guys born 120 years ago fooled the ones born 100 years ago into destroying things 80 years into the future? That's kinda confusing because I keep hearing from the guys born 50 years ago its all the ones born 70 years ago that are responsible for what the ones born 30 years ago are doing to destroy us.

Blogger Joe May 31, 2021 1:21 PM  

In, "Ten Days to Destiny" John Costello presents some info that may indicate the Germans tried to warn America about the 12/7 attack. His whole chapter on unanswered questions is also very thought provoking (as is the book itself. Costello died very young

Blogger Duh-ave May 31, 2021 1:39 PM  

@93 Thomas Flemings 'The New Dealer's War' might qualify.

Blogger Jack Morrow May 31, 2021 1:48 PM  

My father served with the Royal Canadian Navy in WWII and was in D-Day; I'm glad he didn't live long enough to see that everything he fought for is gone. Less than a quarter-century after the war's end, Canada's "greatest generation" handed the country over to someone who refused to fight for it, and now there's nothing left.

As for FDR's vindictiveness, he was the first President to sic the IRS on his critics, as pointed out by Burton Folsom, Jr. in his book New Deal or Raw Deal?.

Herbert Hoover, who thought the Morgenthau Plan unworkable because of all the people who would starve as a result, also criticized the use of American troops abroad in February 1951, and 118 of the 199 Republicans in the House of Representatives signed a declaration backing his policy of concentrating on hemispheric defense and a congressional limit on the use of troops in Europe.

America First, in its opposition to U.S. involvement in WWII, represented the views of the majority of Americans prior to Dec. 7, 1941. Charles Lindbergh's "infamous" speech in Des Moines on Sept. 11, 1941 is constantly assailed as "anti-Semitic" by those who have have heard only his criticism of the Jews. In fact, he also criticized the British and the Roosevelt administration as interest groups who wanted to take the U.S. into war, and the full text of the speech seems quite reasonable.

Blogger Bryce May 31, 2021 1:50 PM  

Or go read Ron Unz and find out that there was no mention of it before the war ended, and that US intelligence didn't believe it happened. Until the propaganda was in full swing and they had to go along with it.

Blogger Bryce May 31, 2021 1:54 PM  

True. Both my grandfather's were in ww2, and it was a bitter pill to swallow that they were there needlessly. But I can still respect them and what they thought they were fighting for, even if they were lied to.

Blogger Dan in Georgia May 31, 2021 1:56 PM  

Hiroshima & Nagasaki were weapons-tests on human subjects. Sorta like Astra-Zeneca vs Pfizer.

Blogger Joeplanet May 31, 2021 2:00 PM  

League of Nations. United Nations. Mentioned in a previous comment. These were planned for developments for world government. What year did Albert Pike mention the necessary three world wars needed to bring about the necessary changes for ((global governance))? The hidden hand has been sacrificing America’s brave to for generations. The plan has been in motion for centuries.


Evangeline is a willful idiot, happy to perpetuate myths for her feelz.

Blogger Crew May 31, 2021 2:04 PM  

If Truman hadn't replaced FDR, he would have ended up with all of Korea plus Hokkaido.

Wait. So, elections have consequences?

Blogger eclecticme May 31, 2021 2:13 PM  

"American Betrayal" by Diana West.
Thanks for that. I knew that the US govt was infiltrated by commies.
Blacklisted by History gave an account much of that. Communists filed false reports from Yugoslavia and China, steering US support to the columnist factions.

During WWII the Comintern controlled US communists, despite US commie denials. I recall they directed US commies to support, then sabotage, then support US defense industries as the USSR situation changed. My memory is faulty. After the USSR fell apart Comintern records revealed concern whether US commies would fall in line. They did.

OT but I heard that in the days after Stalin's death but before Khrushchev was installed Beria made an offer to the West. Pay a huge amount of money and the USSR would leave East Germany. East German commies were not amused. Beria was recalled to Russia and a bullet was put in his head.

I think my source for the above was the Secrets of War documentary series. There is some overlap between episodes but it had lots of material new to me.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 2:24 PM  

This is your one warning The Harlequin Romance of Neutron Bombs. You are not only wrong, and you are not only ignorant, but you are falsely accusing those who are telling the truth of lying.

Japan repeatedly attempted to surrender before the first atomic bomb was dropped. They also attempted to surrender after the first atomic bomb was dropped, but they made the mistake of going to Stalin, whose non-aggression pact with Japan was still in effect, and asked him to mediate the surrender on their behalf.

Instead, he declared war on them and did not pass on their offer to surrender.

What dishonest people like you attempt to do is to conflate the unwillingness of the Japanese to accept the US demand of "unconditional surrender" with their very clear and repeated offers to surrender.

Blogger map May 31, 2021 2:34 PM  

So let me see if I can summarize...

The purpose of WWI and WWII was to make the world safe for communism. The engine of that safety would be the United States. The US basically lent the money and equipment to Europe to fight WWI. This destroyed the old order and set up the United States as a global power, not merely the world's biggest economy.

The US engineered the Great Depression to put communists like Roosevelt in power. This communism was later used to protect the Chinese communists from the Japanese invasion, both through cutting off Japanese fuel imports and by goading Japan into war, and the Russian Communists, by declaring war on Germany.

Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin all worked for the same central communist directors and were being coordinated together to maintain WWII.

Somewhere along the way, since the Russian Revolution, Stalin decided to be his own master and was engaged in hideously complex triangulation strategies that would lead him to overthrow his own Controllers, starting with the killing of Trotsky.

For Stalin to be able to do this, he would've somehow needed a base of popular support that was not engineered by his Controllers, like it was under Roosevelt and Churchill. This probably meant that Stalin oscillated between doctrinaire Soviet propaganda and Russian nationalism when needed, but with a twist: instead of appeasing the sides when necessary, he would set them up to fight each other. The stubborn edges of Nationalism and Sovietism would exhaust each other, leaving the remainder the polarize around Stalin. Essentially, this is "let's you and him fight" applied to Soviet domestic politics. The polarity that backed Stalin was able to then fight his Controllers.

Ironically, one could call Trump a "Stalinist" figure, because Trump looked to be building an apparatus that would also try to free him from his controllers, which is why he was demonized by the Left. They've been in this situation before.

VD is right. Stalin is probably the 20th century's most brilliant and ruthless leader.

Blogger Akulkis May 31, 2021 2:42 PM  

>> Still haven't figured out how the Germans were the bad guys in that fight, other than by losing.

The (((Zimmerman))) Telegram. According to Freeman's speech at the Willard Hotel, Jewish diplomats for Germany and Britain conspired to throw the ear againsy Germany,by getting the U.S. involved, if Britain would throw in for the creation of Israel.

The Brits made the Balfour declaration, and shortly thereafter, the Telegram was sent to Mexico. I have no doubt that the Brits were provided with the enciphering method (Playfair cipger) and the key, so that they could both verify it and show the Wilson Administrative (American governmentl "the dastardly schemes of those wily Huns"

Freeman was himself Jewish, and was witness to the agreement which lead to the Balfour declaration and the Zimmerman telegram.

Blogger eclecticme May 31, 2021 2:47 PM  

I read a recent book by Herbert Hoover. Freedom Betrayed (2011). He was against US entry into WWII so he sat on the book and so did his estate. He wanted Hitler and Stalin to fight with the US supplying recovery aid after the war. Hoover did just that after WWI and saw enough misery.

Hoover described in detail how Churchill and FDR wanted war. The Japanese wanted to negotiate to avoid war with US but FDR set impossible terms e.g. withdraw all Japanese forces from China just for starters. FDR's British and Ditch buddies wanted their colonies back.

Hoover also described how ridiculous any German or Japanese invasion of the US was. He wrote that a negotiated surrender was possible with Germany and Japan to save lots of lives but FDR rejected the idea.

The US oil embargo on Japan was just the tip of the iceberg. The US oil embargoed strategic materials of all kinds. The US and Britain used financial banking sanctions to make Japanese trade with other countries very difficult. The US also refused to buy anything from Japan that could be purchased elsewhere. I think the US might have seized Japanese financial assets where possible. All this before Pearl Harbor.

The above is described in Bankrupting the Enemy (Miller). Japan was close to bankruptcy so they struck out. Their military advised the govt that Japan would lose in any protracted war with the US.

Trivia. Military history people know this. Brave US submariners and torpedo planes are shown in movies. For the first approximately 2 years of the war the US torpedoes had 3 design flaws making them effectively duds. Naval brass ignored such reports.

Blogger CJ May 31, 2021 2:54 PM  

Regarding Beria's actions after the death of Stalin, it's always hard to know anything definitively, but several sources have it that he advocated withdrawing not only from the "satellites", but even from the Baltic republics. They would have been required to accept a form of what was later called "Finlandization", avoiding any overt opposition to Soviet policies. These proposals were based on Beria's knowledge from working with the GRU and KGB; allegedly, he said to other members of the Politburo, regarding the "satellite" nations, "Forget it, they hate us."

Blogger The Harlequin Romance of Neutron Bombs May 31, 2021 2:55 PM  

VD, leaving aside the word unconditional, did Japan really offer a surrender? Or just a cease fire?

Blogger eclecticme May 31, 2021 3:01 PM  

Please correct me if I am wrong. I recall that Hitler had little interest in conquering England. He admired the English. He wanted to conquer lands to the East, then exterminate the inhabitants, through starvation if possible. Bullets cost money.

The Daily Mail article says 62% of Americans do NOT think WWI was a mistake. God help US. For those with interest, the Hardcore History series podcasts are addictive story telling. If you know someone gung ho about war have them listen to these podcasts, or read about The Hurtgen Forest or Monte Casino. Hurtgen Forest was covered in The Guns at Last Light. I don't think they make movies about these slaughter houses.

Blogger shadohand (akuma sock account# 7373636 ...crazy only responds to crazy) May 31, 2021 3:06 PM  

@Lee

They also sacrificed so people could be dragged off to Psychiatric Wards for owning books on WW2 and the battles they fought in.

Blogger LM May 31, 2021 3:11 PM  

> FDR and Churchill were both fooled, because they thought Stalin took orders from the same people they did.

How can FDR and Churchill be both pawns of the international banking system *and* clueless idiots who were tooled by Stalin?

Blogger Guy Incognito May 31, 2021 3:21 PM  

Mutual defense pact. They were obligated to when US declared on Japan.

Blogger Yukichi Sensei May 31, 2021 3:55 PM  

World War 2 is all grabble. As a youth, it got me into my love of history. I moved on once I figured out the stats were bunk and all my teachers pushed lies. Went for Greco-Rome and Japan instead.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 4:02 PM  

Yes, both before and after the first atomic bombing.

By ruling out the Grew-Hoover-G-2 idea of being flexible on peace terms and doubling down on unconditional surrender, Truman seems to have calculated that the United States could win the Pacific war decisively with the new atomic bomb, or he planned to have Soviet intervention give Tokyo the final decisive shove alongside the atomic bomb—in either case avoiding the ruinous bloodshed sure to follow an amphibious invasion of Japan’s home islands. The Battle of Okinawa, concluded on June 21, had taken nearly three months and cost the US Army and Marine Corps more than 60,000 casualties, including 7,613 dead, and had killed nearly 150,000 Japanese and Okinawans, including more than 40,000 civilians. Not unlike Stalin setting Zhukov and Konev against each other to ensure they would beat the Americans to Berlin, by refusing to entertain any compromise on Japanese surrender terms, Truman had, in effect, launched a race between the Manhattan Project and Stalin’s Far Eastern armies to crush Japan’s will to resist. Neither side was willing to yield, which helps explain why peace feelers extended by Japan’s Emperor Hirohito in June and July 1945 to Soviet diplomats in Tokyo all came to nothing.

Note that there was never going to be an invasion of Japan's Home Islands, with or without the atomic bomb.

Blogger Scofflaw May 31, 2021 4:12 PM  

Damn I LOVE VD's WW2 blog posts. So many interesting new perspectives in the blog and the comments. Thank you Vox and the people who comment.

Blogger TruthsGotMyBack May 31, 2021 4:13 PM  

Most Holocaustians are also Covidians.

Blogger Scofflaw May 31, 2021 4:23 PM  

Who was tapping people like Stalin and Churchill and FDR and Hitler on the shoulder and whispering instructions into their ear? Who is above these guys?

Blogger Jefferson Kim May 31, 2021 4:26 PM  

Thank you Vox Day for bringing light to the darkness!

I've always smelled something fishy, and this confirms it.

"Onward Christian Soldiers!"

- [Tee hee]

Blogger N.Schuster May 31, 2021 4:42 PM  

My father was serving in the ETO during WWIi. He told me that after the German's surrendered, his duvision was told to prepare to be transferred to the Pacific, to prepare for the invasion of the Japaneses home islands. Then they heard about the a-bomb and were told to stand down.

Blogger liberranter May 31, 2021 4:58 PM  

Point out the Holocaust didn't start until after the US was at war with Germany and watch heads explode...

Yup. The 1942 date of the Wannsee Conference, which "officially" launched the "Holocaust" as a project (if the records are to be believed, which is a debatable assertion) is pretty simple arithmetic to follow.

Blogger Noah B. May 31, 2021 5:01 PM  

The most significant long term effect of WW2 is that it opened up Europe to mass invasion from the Middle East and Africa. It was an unequivocal disaster. Sort of like how in the Civil War the only real winners were the carpetbaggers.

Blogger English Tom May 31, 2021 5:07 PM  

An important point to note is that Japan attempted a move into Siberia but were stopped decisively by Zhukov at the battle of Khalkin Gol in 1938. If the japs had been successful Pearl Harbour might not have happened.

Blogger liberranter May 31, 2021 5:09 PM  

President Washington instructed us to never involve ourselves in foreign entanglements, especially with Europe. But we couldn't listen.

No, We The People DID listen, as up until the end of WW Eye Eye, public opinion was resolutely and overwhelmingly AGAINST any form of involvement in foreign wars. It has always been the Masonic interests that founded the nation and that have been in actual control of the government since July 4th, 1776 that have been eager to entangle us in foreign debacles for their own narrow gains at the expense of the People.

Blogger Scofflaw May 31, 2021 5:15 PM  

@41
I am reading this right now. Wow this is so interesting. Thank you.

From Major Jordan's Diaries
by George Racey Jordan

My reason for writing this book is very simple: I would like to keep the record straight. I want to put in permanent form. the full story of my experiences as a Lend-Lease expediter and liaison officer with the Russians during the war, when I served for two crucial years, from May 1942 to Lune 1944, both at Newark Airport and at the big air base at Great Falls, Montana.
https://archive.org/details/FromMajorJordansDiaries1952Signed?q=from+major+jordan%27s+diaries

Blogger liberranter May 31, 2021 5:18 PM  

@Evangeline, May 31, 2021 7:28 AM

The very first people who will assert that wars were fought in vain are the veterans of those wars who saw and felt, up close and personal, just how utterly senseless they were and how little, if anything, was gained from them. It's mostly civilians far removed from any military experience, imbibing deeply of the state's propaganda and addicted to Delusionol, who attempt to justify the catastrophically destructive mistakes of the past as something great and noble.

Blogger Brian Dean May 31, 2021 5:31 PM  

@90 "But the Boomers tell me we’d be speaking German now if America hadn’t entered WWII"

I wonder what the boomers responses would be to these questions.

1) If the US military fights for our freedoms, then what freedoms have we lost given the fact that they failed in Vietnam?

2) If we would be speaking German if we didn't get involved in WW2 (or lost WW2) then why aren't we speaking Vietnamese?

3) Also, how do they know we would be speaking German if we lost WW2? Why wouldn't we be speaking Japanese instead?

Blogger liberranter May 31, 2021 5:36 PM  



@ Shane BradmanMay 31, 2021 8:32 AM

From what I've read about the French in their behavior towards both German POWs and German civilians in the wake of Germany's defeat, your grandfather's experience in captivity with them was a pleasant exception to the norm. Comparisons of stories told by German POWs who survived captivity in allied hands after the war's end reveals that their treatment at the hands of both the Americans and the French were more brutal and inhumane even than treatment by the Soviet Red Army. Of the four allied forces occupying Germany at war's end, only the British were remembered in fond terms as captors.

Blogger Balam May 31, 2021 5:38 PM  

@Lee
The celebration of the soldier dead only serves to prop up the masters who sent them. It does no honor to the men themselves because they are dead and have seen the final judge already. Unless memorial day spending is going directly to the windows and orphans made by the wars, instead of taxes to Biden and pure profit for Pharmaceuticals, Chinese powered retailers and artificially crunched gas suppliers there isn't much point. ''muh vets'' has been a very convenient bludgeon for cuckservatives to take the teeth out of any popular opposition to the deep state. Spending cash on corporations and using meaningless hashtags good! Actual veteran hospital reform, putting in generals who care about the nation and the men under them, helping soldiers with the massive divorce problem, keeping trannies out bad! In short, the appearance of giving honor is wicked in light of the actual contempt shown for American soldiers. An obvious misdirection.

''English Tom, GI Joe risked his life for God, country and family. don't try pinning your modern sensibilities on a young man that died 80 years ago.''

Why stop there? What about the German man who died for country and family? The Japanese man who kamikazed for country and family? The Englishman, the Russian, the African, the Muslim or even the crack addled hobo gunned down by cops because he earnestly believed in mugging for drug cash? What's so virtuous about being tricked by evil men? It was a damned waste is what it was. Again, the lives of these men brave enough to go are constantly used to deflect from the vile men who sent them. That you would willingly participate in running damage control for criticism obviously directed towards the architects of the war is insane.

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 6:20 PM  

My father was serving in the ETO during WWIi. He told me that after the German's surrendered, his duvision was told to prepare to be transferred to the Pacific, to prepare for the invasion of the Japaneses home islands.

Which tends to underline my point. Soldierly scuttlebutt is seldom related to what is actually going on at the top.

Blogger Canada78Bear May 31, 2021 7:12 PM  

Socialist countries only survive by stealing. Either their own people or from other countries.

Demonstrated 100% of all socialist states in her history because it destroys all incentives to create.

Blogger PK May 31, 2021 7:13 PM  

They started the war by invading Poland on September 1st, 1939. Nobody forced them to do that, and nobody forced them to start purging the Polish elite immediately afterwards either. All the arguments are Germany dindu nuffin hinge on ignoring the invasion of Poland, and ignoring the right of the Polish nation to exist on sovereign land.

Blogger Drop Bear May 31, 2021 7:22 PM  

Stalin had the ultimate poker-face. It seems he knew how cunning and backstabbing the (((controllers))) were, and knowing how they also controlled FDR and Churchill, he played their game and then turned on them with complete ruthlessness. They clearly underestimated his ability to out-play them.

Blogger MattSimmons May 31, 2021 7:58 PM  

Where can I learn about the german surrender in 1943? I can't find reference to it via google. Thanks

Blogger VD May 31, 2021 8:06 PM  

RTFB

Blogger MattSimmons May 31, 2021 9:01 PM  

wow rude

Blogger Akulkis May 31, 2021 9:11 PM  

I have over 30 years of service, veteran of both Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

There is absolutely no more appropriate day in the U.S. to post this -- MEMORIAL Day.

WHAT did they really die for, and WHY?

Blogger Akulkis May 31, 2021 9:30 PM  

>> Pick our own damn cotton, defend our own damn country and kill our own damn tyrants.

Do our own damned IT work, nurse our damned patients, and our own damned lawns and gardens.

Blogger English Tom May 31, 2021 9:59 PM  

@Lee

My great grandfather died on December 11th 1940 when his ship was torpedoed in the Atlantic. You can imagine what a wonderful Christmas present that was for my grandad and the rest of the family.
His white male descendants are being systematically erased in the land he gave his life for.
Dont fuckin tell me their sacrifice was worth it.

Blogger bw May 31, 2021 10:16 PM  

Happy Memorial Day

such a pink mist cloud, bro

We may not win, buy it ain't gonna be clean...

Blogger bw May 31, 2021 10:19 PM  

There is absolutely no more appropriate day in the U.S. to post this -- MEMORIAL Day.

WHAT did they really die for, and WHY?


They were Way ahead of us... I know that's not allowed around here...and yet it is

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 31, 2021 10:44 PM  

KingKrawFish wrote:But the Boomers tell me we’d be speaking German now if America hadn’t entered WWII...
That would beat speaking Messycan.

Blogger map May 31, 2021 11:08 PM  

PK wrote:They started the war by invading Poland on September 1st, 1939. Nobody forced them to do that, and nobody forced them to start purging the Polish elite immediately afterwards either. All the arguments are Germany dindu nuffin hinge on ignoring the invasion of Poland, and ignoring the right of the Polish nation to exist on sovereign land.

Hmmmm...

The Soviets also invaded Poland...and no one declared war on them.

Blogger Angantyr June 01, 2021 12:10 AM  

The more you learn, the more you realize that most history is fake and gay. And that really bites.

Blogger Valar Addemmis June 01, 2021 12:15 AM  

The Last Roman wrote:I recall one professor only speaking of the Morgenthau Plan in hushed tones after class. Years later, as a grad student, I was laughed at by a Welsh professor for stating that Roosevelt's policy of unconditional surrender extended the war and cost millions of lives. Funny to think that decades later men still can't speak freely about that war.

Less funny when you consider that the last decade has been full of self-flagellating Americans on how terrible our actions towards Japan are (the nuclear bombs, and even occasionally the firebombings before that), and that it was inhumane to continue with the insistence on unconditional surrender.

Never heard a single "mainstream" voice note that the same refusal to consider surrender offered long before the end of the war and many deaths applied to Germany, as well.

Blogger Angantyr June 01, 2021 12:15 AM  

PK wrote:They started the war by invading Poland on September 1st, 1939. Nobody forced them to do that, and nobody forced them to start purging the Polish elite immediately afterwards either. All the arguments are Germany dindu nuffin hinge on ignoring the invasion of Poland, and ignoring the right of the Polish nation to exist on sovereign land.

If you honestly believe that the above is all there is to the story then you're really too short to be posting here.

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 01, 2021 1:46 AM  

@Akulkis
Amen. We need more jacks of all trades, master of a few. We aren't going to have much use for tax accountants and supply-chain managers by the time the Big Breakup happens. We'll need plumbers and electricians, or at least men who know how plumbing/electricity works. I just hope we can keep the lights on and the water flowing. If not, we'll have to figure out how to do it ourselves.

Blogger Josh Brown June 01, 2021 5:20 AM  

For the RCs maybe Fatima was on the money after all about Russia being the concern about an even worse conflict to come. Downstream in time WW2 seems to be a continuation of WW1 with a truce in the middle and WW1 was absurd. My long deceased grand-father had left school aged twelve to work in a mine, shovelling mud into carts to be hauled to the surface was ultra skeptical of the whole business seeing it as one elite (George V) quarreling with his cousi (the Kaiser) as to who should lord it over the people and whichever prevailed he would still be screwed. So he declined to volunteer. Well not outright, he did say he would join up if as la colonel, which offer was refused as he knew it would be. The whole British v German conflict from 1914, if not before, onwards to 1945 was either mass hysteria or nefarious manipulation of policy by shadowy players who must have realized the implications of transporting Lenin across Germany into Russia.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 01, 2021 8:19 AM  

PK wrote:They started the war by invading Poland on September 1st, 1939.
Are you talking about Germany or USSR?
PK wrote:... and nobody forced them to start purging the Polish elite immediately afterwards either.
Ah, Germany. We hear from the other suspect in that crime that it was Germany.

Blogger MarkyMark June 01, 2021 8:51 AM  

Here's a good article from The New American about how we got in to WWII: https://thenewamerican.com/pearl-harbor-motives-behind-the-betrayal/

Blogger Taignobias June 01, 2021 10:26 AM  

Yes.

Blogger Brother Deke June 01, 2021 10:31 AM  

We can go back even further to the Great War.

"Home by Christmas [to flatten the curve]..."

Somme 1916. Verdun 1916. French Munities, 1917. Romanov abdication. Lenin's sealed train. The October Revolution. The Family Romanov murder.

Asleep at the Wheel + The Tribe x Amount of Sheep = ??????????????

Anyone, anyone?

Blogger Taignobias June 01, 2021 10:33 AM  

Don't know about how the POW's felt, but there was a camp in central Texas. My grandparents were young then, and they fondly remembered the nice men who would give them their chocolate rations and watch them play.

They spoke German, as most central Texans did, so they also remembered the soldiers being very friendly folks glad to be out of the war.

Blogger Taignobias June 01, 2021 10:46 AM  

I'd probably be speaking German, since it became sufficiently taboo during the war that the Texas dialect is considered a dying language.

Blogger Taignobias June 01, 2021 10:50 AM  

I was a college graduate before I learned there was another suspect. It's always year zero, indeed.

Blogger rcocean June 01, 2021 11:46 AM  

Even the Japanese Army was willing to stop the war based on what they considered "honorable Terms". To whit: No occupation of Japan, Japanese to try their own war criminals, Withdrawal of Japanese troops from occupied territories, but Japan keeping Formosa and IRC Korea. Limitations on Japanese armed forces. Hoover and MacArthur thought that if the Japanese had simply been assured of the Emperor being allowed to stay, Japan would've surrendered before the A-bombs or Stalin's attack.

Blogger Lee June 01, 2021 12:11 PM  

English Tom,

I didn't say your great grandfather's death was "worth it". What I am saying is regardless what YOU think if any war at any place or any time, or just how evil and duplicitous the leaders waging whatever war happen to be, your great grandfather and millions more like him went to war out of a sense of duty and honor, and lost their lives in a cause THEY regarded greater than themselves. THAT is what Memorial day is for, honoring the men who died, not celebrating A f***ing war.

Personally, veterans day woulda been a more appropriate day for this post, but I'm not even complaining about that.

Blogger PK June 01, 2021 12:15 PM  

@146
Soviet involvement doesn't excuse the German invasion of Poland. Germany attacked a sovereign nation and now you have people pretending the action was justified because Poland refused to acquiesce to German demands for Polish territory. Anyone who claims that Germany was acting in good-faith, especially after the annexation of Czechoslovakia is deluded.

@149

Mr. Tall, please explain why Germany's invasion of Poland September 1st 1939 was just. If they have a good reason to do so they wouldn't have to use the false-flag on the radio tower as a casus belli.

@152

Open your textbook and see who invaded Poland on September 1st. They they get the motives wrong, the dates are usually still accurate.

Both the Soviets and Germans purged the Polish elite, and Katyn was not the only such event. Immediately upon taking territory, the Germans arrested, imprisoned, and executed officers, professors, politicians, school teachers, priests, and others.


These "Germany dindu nuffin" people cannot give a casus belli for Germany's invasion of Poland on September 1st, 1939.





Blogger Valar Addemmis June 01, 2021 12:29 PM  

PK wrote:Germany attacked a sovereign nation and now you have people pretending the action was justified because Poland refused to acquiesce to German demands for Polish territory.

Who said that the invasion of Poland was "justified"? People are mocking you for historical illiteracy, not arguing to Make Poland Germany Again.

PK wrote:These "Germany dindu nuffin" people cannot give a casus belli for Germany's invasion of Poland on September 1st, 1939.



It would be interesting if you can point to anyone here who is actively arguing that Germany dindu nuffin, either. Even Vox in his post about how Hitler might have saved Europe didn't espouse that position.

Blogger rcocean June 01, 2021 12:37 PM  

Yes, it is interesting that the invasion of Poland by the USSR, the later invasion of Finland, and the occupation of 3 Baltic Republics got zero declarations of war from France/UK. Its almost like "fighting for democracy" or "Fighting for Poland" had Zero to do with their fight against Germany.

Blogger RC June 01, 2021 1:02 PM  

@MattSimmons - This isn't Kindergarten. Lurk and learn.

Blogger Dave June 01, 2021 1:38 PM  

The biggest mistake was the influence those captured Nazi's had on the American nation.

Blogger MattSimmons June 01, 2021 7:51 PM  

@RC don't worry chief, I survived the emotional trauma

Blogger Punkindrublik June 01, 2021 10:24 PM  

I argue that WWI 1.0 was the original mistake (caused by internationalism rather than nationalism, as history books told us) that led to WWI 2.0. Without U.S. involvement in WWI 2.0, Germany and USSR would destroy each other.

Blogger Gareth Cooke June 01, 2021 10:33 PM  

daily reminder that zionist groups tried to ally with Hitler in ww2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)

Blogger Gareth Cooke June 01, 2021 10:35 PM  

@165 oh yes Dave, people like Hasso von Manteuffel, Reinhard Gehlen, some of the fiercest opponents of leftist politics in post war europe, people like that are why modern America is cucked! yeah right...

Blogger David June 02, 2021 1:02 AM  

I think entering WW2 was inevitable because we entered WW1, but it could have been handled massively different. It seems we could ha a drawn a hard line in the Pacific to protect our interests and our allies, then made a deal with Japan. Japan had no hatred for America or great love for Nazies, and they certainly didnt like the Soviets. The only stinking point is China. I dont know enough about that area at that time.
In the West, again we could have drawn a hard line to protect Britain and negotiate with Hitler to hold his eastward advance, then ally with him to stomp on the Reds, go Patton!

Blogger bardamu June 04, 2021 10:59 AM  

Was the Marshall plan a consequence of Stalin betraying the jews?

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