Saturday, June 12, 2021

Mailvox: the beatings will continue

As apparently some of them have proved salutory:

After following your advise on graduating Gamma, namely, shut up, work, and speak the truth. I am making huge strides in social settings.

The alpha is giving me more responsibility and respect, and girls are not repulsed.

I just want to say, without your constant Gamma beating, which are awesome course correction points, I would not have gotten this far this fast imo.

I am still working at it, always will.

Oh and ah, tell those boomers who has done next to nothing to go away.

Inspiration and relentless truth speaking by the capable is how many of us climbs out of the hell they left us with.

Conquering one's instinctive behavioral patterns is always difficult. They will always be there to be reverted to in times of stress, defeat, and failure. But they can be suppressed and surmounted with sufficient effort. Persistence is the key. Even when you slip - and you will - don't spend the next six weeks in denial, rationalization, and self-justification. 

Just admit the error, dust yourself off, and force yourself to start treading the right track again.

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Blogger English Tom June 12, 2021 11:28 AM  

Perseverance furthers.

The I Ching via Frank Herbert.

Blogger [Redacted] June 12, 2021 11:46 AM  

Of all the ways to destroy Gammas, this has to be among the best.

Blogger peacefulposter June 12, 2021 11:59 AM  

Conquering one's instinctive behavioral patterns is always difficult. They will always be there to be reverted to in times of stress, defeat, and failure. But they can be suppressed and surmounted with sufficient effort.

My thoughts are with Milo.

Blogger Jeff June 12, 2021 12:21 PM  


Blogger Autarky Bear June 12, 2021 12:25 PM  

Always encouraging to see Gammas trying to improve themselves.

Blogger Some Guy June 12, 2021 12:26 PM  

"shut up, work, and speak the truth"

Congrats on the Delta upgrade.

Blogger RC June 12, 2021 12:27 PM  

Vox Day, standing in for the gridiron, the field, the bully, the Boy Scouts, and the military, helping to shape boys of all ages into men. Bravo!

Blogger I don't think I like Conrad June 12, 2021 12:34 PM  

It is very hard to self analyze, but I suspect that I am also something not so good. However that may be, I would add prayer to that list.

My we persevere; it will be worth it in the end. For the way is narrow, and few are they that enter there. It may be difficult, but there really is no other way. The other choice is not so good.

Blogger Skuli Jakobsson June 12, 2021 12:42 PM  

Wonderful and best of luck to you! 🖖

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 12, 2021 12:42 PM  

"Persistence is the key. Even when you slip - and you will...."

Allow me to emphasize the importance of a pair-bonded relationship here. Whether trying to graduate from gamma, or trying to promote from creepy omega, if you deal with women who have had too much cock run through them and lost their ability to bond, then that slip up becomes the "one mistake and you are out" effect.
When love is just shut off as is like a light switch, it takes your mind places that make it all the more difficult to get better. Trust me. I have been there. Today is an actual anniversary of a day I call "the final denouement". AKA: the last time.
Would have given up soap too were I not a borderline germ freak.

Keeping ones mouth shut is like abstinence: it will work every time. But I must also go into Roy Masters territory and add that stillness inside of the head is equally important.

Blogger heyjames4 June 12, 2021 12:46 PM  

I second the anon. Learned a lot here. Lots more to learn yet.

Blogger rumpole5 June 12, 2021 12:50 PM  

"Oh and ah, tell those boomers who has [sic] done next to nothing to go away."

What? Seems that Boomers are now responsible for low socio/sexual status and (I infer) bad grammar. If Gammas have proliferated, I would humbly suggest that Dr. Benjamin Spock (not a Boomer - born 1903) and his ideas on child rearing have much more to do with that sad phenomenon. Hint: whatever Dr. B. Spock recommends, seriously consider the opposite approach.
Be that as it may, the DL's advice: "admit the error, dust yourself off, and force yourself to start treading the right track again." is excellent, and I too commend the writer's efforts and wish him God Speed.

Blogger Owen June 12, 2021 12:52 PM  

Ah so…. Frank Herbert was one of the greats. I was totally blown away by Dune and even though I was an atheist/agnostic at the time I recognized that Herbert did a brilliant job of showing that humans need to believe in something larger than themselves.

Blogger SweetieSquad37 June 12, 2021 1:01 PM  

I have had a few gamma friends (especially those I met in college) who I've tried to get to really work on their gamma behavior. Anyone who's taken the advice I've passed on from you has always come to thank me. So much of it boils down to being genuine, upfront, and self aware. They're happier for it, and so is everyone around them. I once even got thanked by a parent for "being a good influence".

Blogger Zorlig June 12, 2021 1:02 PM  

The faith offers these same benefits through sanctification

Blogger Unknown June 12, 2021 1:15 PM  

'No more Mr Nice Guy' by R Glover is a very good book for gamma types.

Blogger Ingemar June 12, 2021 1:16 PM  

Self forgiveness and selective amnesia are also helpful. Champions and losers both make mistakes, but the former do not dwell on them.

Blogger Silent Draco June 12, 2021 1:56 PM  

Drill Sergeant Vox: "50 squats, Gamma, then quick-step two miles!"

(3 wks later) Gamma fading, Delta arriving.

Blogger Darren June 12, 2021 2:26 PM  

I predict this VP post will have a record low number of comments.

Because nothing more needs to be said.
Much wisdom in few words.
As we all should seek to better achieve.

Blogger Shane Bradman June 12, 2021 2:27 PM  

I wasn't raised particularly Christian, but that's no excuse to live a Godless life. Unlearn atheism and embrace the discipline of moral Christian life. While gammas are graduating into normal people, the atheists out there need to start graduating from Hitchens to Hildebrand.

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Blogger Nate June 12, 2021 2:49 PM  

The only failure is quitting. Dont quit. No matter what. Embrace the struggle. Embrace the pain. Love God and run your race as best as you can. You will be rewarded.

Blogger A rebel without a General June 12, 2021 3:09 PM  

An an omega I also appreciate you Vox for calling me out on my bad points. I am still trying to get the fabeled GF. I am much more social than I was who knew taking more showers would make me feel better.

Blogger SciVo June 12, 2021 3:18 PM  

I find that taking blue-collar work helps. A large part of "managing yourself on purpose" (great book) is putting yourself in the kind circumstances that are likely to induce you to be the kind of man that you want to be, and avoiding the opposite kind.

And as The Tick says, "Gravity is a harsh mistress." The laws of physics don't care about your ego.

Blogger RobertDWood June 12, 2021 3:22 PM  

It is a good discovery for men, that the same iron which can humble the strong can make mighty the weak.

Gamma beatings are no different.

Blogger Kingkong June 12, 2021 3:36 PM  

Great advice, thanks for the encouragement

Blogger cyrus83 June 12, 2021 3:43 PM  

The slip always seems to come soon after noticing that there hasn't been a slip in a while.

This advice also applies to getting out of any sort of sinful behavior - admit the problem, realize it's going to be a difficult life-long fight, repent, get back to fighting the good fight.

Blogger Submitted2Christ June 12, 2021 3:54 PM  

Sounds a lot like Christianity. If you sin - admit it, ask for forgiveness and strength then move forward. Don't dwell on it or listen to any condemning thoughts ad they are not from God.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 12, 2021 4:33 PM  

Learn to be the thief who can steal good fortune from adversity.

Blogger Colonel Blimp June 12, 2021 5:35 PM  

It is 100 times more glorious to work hard for something, to conquer one's weaknesses, and to admit a problem so you can fix it, than to simply refuse to acknowledge the issue or pretend it isn't destroying you. See....trans, etc.

Good job putting your ego aside to actually improve.

Blogger Phelps June 12, 2021 5:37 PM  

I am not sure that they are instinctive. I had a lot of gamma tendencies that I assumed I simply grew out of around 25. I chalked them up to "being an obnoxious teenager." Looking back, I can see that working in the litigation field put me around a lot of alphas who -- through alpha instinct -- taught me to either change my behavior, or I would be changing jobs. I was corrected, and it was clear that if I didn't accept the correction I was done. Once I accepted them as leaders (and they earned it), then what I think is the instinctual behavior kicked in, and I shed much of it immediately, and all of it by my 30s.

I think that our culture incubates gamma bullshit, by promoting the idea that "everyone is special" and feeding people a bunch of "your unpopular now but because you are smart, they will be working for you" Biff from Back to the Future bullshit. Nope. There are lots of smart AND attractive alphas who can keep up with you intellectually, and they are STILL going to be your boss. That your school jock was a dumbass doesn't mean every jock is a dumbass.

Our public school / child prisons destroy any semblance of hierarchy by constant adult interference, and then we wonder why we end up with gammas who think they are secret kings.

Blogger Kristophr June 12, 2021 5:37 PM  

Recovering gamma here. Thanx for giving the guy a needed beating.

Best thing anyone did for me was to tell me to shut my whore mouth.

Blogger weka June 12, 2021 5:55 PM  

@Rumpole. It is not what the Spock and other progressive wormtounges made for us. It is that we knew it was poison, and drank it.

We are not responsible for our teachers lives we are responsible for accepting what is lies.

@BalkanYankee. Our dread Lord's wisdom needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

Blogger Kevin Smith June 12, 2021 7:02 PM  

@28 I think you're 100% correct. CS Lewis will guide a recovering gamma gently through Christianity. As a particularly toxic gamma I benefited enourmously from "Mere Christianity", "The Problem of Pain", "Till We Have Faces", his essay collection "God in the Dock" and the Space Trilogy.

Blogger Pytor June 12, 2021 7:12 PM  

Boomers created the 50% divorce rate, and feminist society, and a generation of lost boys who have to rebuild their masculinity without any models to guide their effort. All becauae of boomer parenting.

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Blogger weathercon June 12, 2021 8:36 PM  

Maybe this former gamma can work on his English a little bit, too.

Blogger RedJack June 12, 2021 9:44 PM  

Back 8n day, I was more of a white knight than gamma. But that book helped a lot. U have given it to some of my crew

Blogger Desdichado June 12, 2021 10:56 PM  

weathercon wrote:Maybe this former gamma can work on his English a little bit, too.
Grammar policing is a gamma behavior.

Blogger Colonel Blimp June 12, 2021 11:07 PM  

This is on point.

Blogger Colonel Blimp June 12, 2021 11:13 PM  

Not too self aware, are you? Lol

Blogger Storm Rhode June 12, 2021 11:23 PM  

If gamma changes to delta do they lose any desirable qualities? I think Vox said gammas have some good qualities in the other thread.

Blogger John Rockwell June 13, 2021 3:43 AM  

Are Alphas capable of becoming Sigma?

Blogger Josh Brown June 13, 2021 5:11 AM  

Upvote that. Mr Nice Guy is an ego driven persona adopted in infancy to seemingly guarantee that one's attachment needs are met by a traumatized or otherwise stressed mother. The persona is not authentic and suppresses the development of one's authentic self.

Blogger VD June 13, 2021 5:51 AM  

Are Alphas capable of becoming Sigma?

It would seem very unlikely. I've never seen it.

Blogger SciVo June 13, 2021 9:04 AM  

@Storm Rhode:
If gamma changes to delta do they lose any desirable qualities? I think Vox said gammas have some good qualities in the other thread.

No. Gamma virtues are compensatory.

A know-it-all can be a subject matter expert, and shamelessness can enable creativeness. But he might just be a tiresome clown.

Blogger Gary George June 13, 2021 11:28 AM  

The fact that all tech companies put their headquarters in that commie hellhole always smacked of organized crime.

Blogger Colonel Blimp June 13, 2021 2:17 PM  

Mel Gibson -- circa 2000 to 2006. Unless we are just assuming fame, millions, looks, and his own production company are enough to keep him alpha, otherwise I feel he essentially went sigma by going his own way after saying fuk off frugalists.

Essentially an alpha that gets a ton of humility knocked into him by either finding the Lord or realizing that part of himself needs addressing and he dials back the ego and preening while still naturally being a strong figure.

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