Tuesday, June 22, 2021

They actually think it works

Of course, similar thinkers used to believe that sanctioning Russia would work too:

“Deplatforming works,” boasted former Reddit CEO Ellen Pao, who became notorious among Reddit users for her pro-censorship policies during her brief tenure as head of the company, in a tweet posted this week.

Pao made the tweet in response to a study that showed the decline in attention for a group of right-wing commentators in the wake of their bans from YouTube.

“Deplatforming hate works,” said Pao. “It worked on reddit in 2015, and now it’s working on YouTube.”

It's true that deplatforming people from YouTube, and to a lesser extent, Twitter, has reduced the size of their audiences.

Of course, this also demonstrates the truth inherent in the Nietschean concept "that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Every deplatformed individual or organization that hasn't simply given up and gone away has become more independent and less reliant on elements under SJW control. While it's a short-term blow, in the long term, the effect is decidedly positive.

For example, Castalia was susceptible to Amazon's interference a few years ago. By the time it was briefly deplatformed there, it wasn't a major concern. Now, we would barely notice. YouTube is close to irrelevant to the Unauthorized creators already, and by the end of the summer, will be completely irrelevant as the apps and livestreaming functionality come on line.

And it's already too late for SJWs to make effective use of payment deplatforming, as Alipay is already active in Europe now and is more than happy to take advantage of the competitive opportunities that Silicon Valley's determination to shed itself of at least one-third of its potential customers have presented it.

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Blogger Canadian Warlord June 22, 2021 10:01 AM  

The real conversation they're missing is the best part. NPCs can now run around and play in their glass wall safe space while the adults figure out how to move on, get to the parking lot, and leave them behind.

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2021 10:11 AM  

Ellen Pao is one of the very few women associates in the history of American law to have sex with a partner, get fired, have him admit the sex, and still lose the law suit.

After she was fired, Reddit hired her.

Blogger VFM Bear June 22, 2021 10:16 AM  

So, they're saying segregation works?

Blogger wahr01 June 22, 2021 10:24 AM  

They're not referring to independence or revenue, but to the ability of these targeted people to penetrate the public conversation.

Unfortunately I don't see how they're wrong.

McConnell's machine cooperates with these people to lock actual right-leaning views out of the public discourse.

Blogger RadixMalorum June 22, 2021 10:25 AM  

Western companies will lose to Eastern ones because Western companies are increasingly valuing ideology over pragmatism. It also doesn't help the ideology they value is wicked and dyscivilizational.

Blogger David son of Mark June 22, 2021 10:33 AM  

The video view count doesn't matter as much as how engaged an audience is. Millions of view and barely any ratings or comments is a bad sign for a creator

Blogger Hylean June 22, 2021 10:38 AM  

I loved M.J. Aurini but he hasnt uploaded in years. Some of these are dead horses so rotted away that you can play their ribs like a xylophone

Blogger macus poker blog June 22, 2021 10:44 AM  

Thanks for the list of channels. That brings to memory a funny story my father told me. When 20 years old he won in Poland the national "olimpics" of French language and culture. The prize was a trip to Paris. Mind you, this it was deep communism, so before getting his passport and $7 for the trip, he was briefed by the political officer. He was given a list of people and places to avoid. It was the first time he heared about those dangerous enemies. Of course he visited all of them and made fantastic contacts for life.

Blogger Gravy_Bear June 22, 2021 10:48 AM  

Well CNN's ratings have plunged 70%. Atleast right wingers have a plan B. Once the left finally cleanse us completely they'll realise all they've got left is bunch of psycotic pedophiles.

Blogger Colonel Blimp June 22, 2021 10:51 AM  

And this in a nutshell is the problem with American employment now. You have 40 year old waiters with masters degrees but hideous women who can't do anything get hired and rehired and promoted anywhere they go

Blogger Jab Burrwalky June 22, 2021 10:53 AM  

Of course, we don't know how much youtube traffic is actually just Bot traffic either.

Blogger Karen took the Kids June 22, 2021 10:54 AM  

Has Alipay been accused of 'providing a payment platform to hate' yet because that's coming and they'd do well to laugh and ignore.

Blogger Joeplanet June 22, 2021 10:56 AM  

They lost in the commercial sector. Now come the appeals to politicians to ban and pass laws.

Blogger Zbignu June 22, 2021 10:56 AM  

Ellen Psi is the poster child for 'failing upward'

Blogger Zbignu June 22, 2021 10:58 AM  

*Pao. Honestly they make these phone keyboards for 12 yr old girls fingers.

Blogger M.S. June 22, 2021 11:01 AM  

Vox, do you or the other commenters know of a non-converged replacement for Patreon and other crowdfunding platforms? I want to create a new income stream for content I produce and don't want the woke taking it down. Any help anyone offers, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Blogger JD Curtis June 22, 2021 11:03 AM  

Does anyone know if Torba is close to making Gab Pay a reality?
Such a payment system is sorely needed

Blogger Ora Tevzre June 22, 2021 11:11 AM  

"Revenge is a dish best served cold".

Sink the damn ships.

Blogger Emmanuel June 22, 2021 11:19 AM  

Deplatforming hurts us. This is why I use spend precious resources to support Arktoons.

Blogger basementhomebrewer June 22, 2021 11:25 AM  

I do enjoy that they carry an assumption that they have perfect data in so many things. This is a sampling of Youtube audience vs bitchute. There is a very big assumption that all the audience on Youtube would go to bitchute after the banning. The problem with that assumption is most of the deplatformed that continue on go to a shotgun approach and spread their content to multiple hosts as well as to mirror channels etc. Bitchute may be the largest of these platforms, but it doesn't account for all the views they are getting.

All this chart tells you is that is unlikely that they grew their audience after the deplatforming. You cannot be sure how much loss in audience they actually took.

As Vox points out, this also misses the point that the commitment of the audience that followed them is very high. In terms of people in that audience who will likely adjust their behaviors according to the wrong think expressed on these channels is a very high percentages of the audience you can measure.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 22, 2021 11:50 AM  

When you think that you are the world, of course you'd think your wicked madness works, you're only looking at yourself to judge....

Blogger Azure Amaranthine June 22, 2021 11:51 AM  

"So, they're saying segregation works?"

A+ Takeaway.

Blogger Cwyn June 22, 2021 11:56 AM  

@5 They take over of western companies by our enemies, internal and external. I expect they will be broken up or taken over by White Hats in the near future.

Meanwhile, this bombshell is looking pretty amazing: EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Defector's Identity Confirmed, Was Top Counterintelligence Official

Blogger Imwill June 22, 2021 11:56 AM  

Have you seen her? The judge felt bad for the partner.

Blogger Dan in Georgia June 22, 2021 11:58 AM  

Holding half your YouTube audience on a platform like Rumble or Bitchute results in more than doubling your engagement. I am subbed to over 100 YT channels, 95% of which I never watch. I pretty much watch everyone I'm subbed to on Rumble, and I'm no longer willing to pay for YT premium just so I can listen while using a navigator app.

Blogger Hoyabembe June 22, 2021 11:58 AM  

What fun it must be to work with lightweight but assertive psychos like Pao every day.

Blogger Nate June 22, 2021 11:59 AM  

No no Mista Bear... please... whatever you do... please don't throw me in that briarpatch.

Blogger Bigger Bunyip June 22, 2021 11:59 AM  

That woman is considered a train wreck, even by Bay Area SJW standards. So woke, so entitled she can't think straight. She cheated on her first husband with a co-worker while she had a young child (who she never saw because she was working such long hours) and then complained because she thought the affair not working out may have interfered with promotion at work. Cali jury found against her on every score.

She's not exactly the best and brightest (in spite of no doubt getting good marks in school and having 3 Ivy League degrees). She's a yard stick for crazy dumb woke though.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch June 22, 2021 12:20 PM  

He still does livestreams on Twitch and DLive.

Blogger RedJack June 22, 2021 12:34 PM  

Western companies are pushing an ideological view point, and sales are not a concern. That is why our civilization is done

Blogger The Lab Manager June 22, 2021 12:37 PM  

I hope Andrew Torba of Gab is successful in an alternative payment system and other options.

Blogger Newscaper312 June 22, 2021 12:43 PM  


Re phone keyboards it's crazy.
My current phone screen is a bit taller and slightly narrower than one I had before, but that millimeter or two enough to screw w my typing in ways I did not anticipate.

Blogger Newscaper312 June 22, 2021 12:48 PM  

Thank God he went to DIA and not CIA.
Guess he would know who's more trustworthy it competent.
Re DIA, shades of Q, one of those bits here and there that had some truth to it amidst the BS.

Blogger idprism June 22, 2021 1:20 PM  

looking forward to someday receiving reliable pre-stream or start-of-steam push notifications from uatv and seeing even more unauthorized content makers come to the platform as the exodus from big tech continues.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 22, 2021 1:21 PM  

Whose ego does Zuckerberg have to stroke now to stop the great decentralization?

Blogger Alexei June 22, 2021 1:36 PM  

"do you or the other commenters know of a non-converged replacement for Patreon and other crowdfunding platforms?"

There are lots of plugins to create paid memberships on your Wordpress site. Some paid, some free.

Ex -

Make your own Patreon on your own site.

Blogger Rabid Ratel June 22, 2021 1:41 PM  

VFM Bear wrote:So, they're saying segregation works?

Digital apartheid for the win.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd June 22, 2021 1:44 PM  

Newscaper312 wrote:Guess he would know who's more trustworthy it competent.
He might not know who to trust, but he would know who he could definitely NOT trust.

My only reservation on this is that it's awfully convenient that just as the narrative shifts to say China has always been our enemy, we see this convenient defector to reinforce the message.

Blogger Jab Burrwalky June 22, 2021 2:10 PM  

Bigger Bunyip wrote:
She's not exactly the best and brightest (in spite of no doubt getting good marks in school and having 3 Ivy League degrees). She's a yard stick for crazy dumb woke though.

And so the Cabal will promote her to the very top. Expect political candidacy for her soon.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell June 22, 2021 2:31 PM  

The entire purpose of the GOP is to prevent the right-wing from gaining power, and furthermore to prevent an alliance between right- and left-populism forces. Winning elections is secondary to that, which is why the GOP has been losing support and never gaining it back.

Blogger IAMSpartacus0000 June 22, 2021 2:42 PM  

I just hope they remain in their safe space and leave the rest of the world alon.

Blogger thethirdcoast June 22, 2021 2:53 PM  

RedJack wrote:Western companies are pushing an ideological view point, and sales are not a concern. That is why our civilization is done


The death cult is all that matters to them now.

Blogger C June 22, 2021 2:58 PM  

If you're on Android, you should be using NewPipe or an Invidious instance on your browser anyway. No ads, as well.

Blogger Lutice June 22, 2021 3:15 PM  

Alex Jones has his own platform which no doubt gets way more traffic than his Bitchute channel. Nick Fuentes is in the same situation. I love how retarded they are in their retard and inaccurate assumptions.

Blogger Kevin Smith June 22, 2021 3:25 PM  

Yep. Just ask any employee of a government school.

Blogger hi June 22, 2021 3:28 PM  

I suppose the Earth also thinks that suppressing that massive cauldron of molten lava in Yellowstone is also "working." Even the Earth is intelligent enough to allow it to blow off some steam from time to time.

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2021 5:44 PM  

this reminds me of all the middle-class people who 'agreed' we'd vote Remain over Brexit because 'none of their friends were doing it' - they isolate themselves, no ice float needed
normies are learning to avoid the SJW too

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2021 5:48 PM  

@6 they're buying views and subs, that's the sign of it, because sponsors base payments on that. If you wanna kill the Jewtube, you pass a law saying all bot buying is theft from ad sponsors and all rigging of metrics, from views to like ratio, is fraud. because it is. It's like letting employees estimate their own paycheck and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.

Blogger Unknown June 22, 2021 5:59 PM  

@16 subscribe star? I think Patreon needs investigation, actually, since it's a private company charging income tax like a gov.
@28 Asians aren't smart, they cheat. Many forge English ability too. The LEFT views them as model minority because they vote Big Gov.
@32 blackberry keyboards were good but the OS was too secure for Cabal

Blogger Nostromo June 22, 2021 6:11 PM  

Ive got one of the biggest screen phones made, but my sausage stub fingers are meant for digging ditchs, not delicate manipulation.

Blogger Hieroglyph June 22, 2021 6:12 PM  

It seems they think 'hate' is a useful word. 'Upstanders against Hate', as well as the better known 'hate-speech'. Deplatforming Hate? Just another example of a meaningless term. I personally think this is simply bad rhetoric, given a veneer of seriousness by constant repetition. But I suppose it does add to the overall demoralization matrix, so serves a purpose.

There is talk that BitChute is next for the chop, due to being registered in the UK. It's not a great site, but it does have all the content YouTube won't, so that would be a shame. I wonder at the legalities of hosting a similar site (from Australia), but perhaps registering in Russia, and using Ching Chong Payment Processing. If this is currently legal, it may not be soon, when Sauron's Eye alights on the 'problem'.

As @10 notes, Pao is representative of some of the problems in the working world. She gets the job over someone much more suitable, unironically many such cases. My own workplace recently hired a new batch of graduates, and clear as day there is a diversity quota. Where they really the best candidates? Put it this way, majority white nation, one white guy candidate gets hired (out of approx 10). Not a math guy sadly, but those numbers sure look curious. And yes, I am considering leaving BigHomo, just not sure how yet.

Blogger Nostromo June 22, 2021 6:14 PM  

That was my takeaway too. FBI, C_A, DOJ, NS_, all either converged, or corrupted.

Blogger tublecane June 22, 2021 6:16 PM  

It does “work” in the sense of making platforms stupider and less engaging.

Excel, I suppose, for certain groups that tune in mindlessly. Either because they’re children, for instance, who are unsupervised and don’t know what they’re looking at. Or because they’re addicted to nonsense.

Blogger Bigger Bunyip June 22, 2021 6:37 PM  

Good call #Jab Burrwalky
- will keep a look out for her name in politics.
Ironically, as racially Chinese, she is considered a minority.

Blogger travvyboy June 22, 2021 7:38 PM  

I think deplatforming radicalizes the creators and audience. Not a bad thing. It's certainly necessary in the face of what is coming.

Blogger Canada78Bear June 22, 2021 8:07 PM  

YouTube will still exist as a starting point before graduating to UA.

Zero revenue new creators have no other place to start and succeed/fail other than YouTube right now

Blogger Jpc June 23, 2021 2:22 AM  

"Alipay is already active in Europe now and is more than happy to take advantage of the competitive opportunities that Silicon Valley's determination to shed itself of at least one-third of its potential customers have presented it."

Only way to hurt these guys is competition from outside

Blogger Harambe June 23, 2021 5:24 AM  

Hey, let's force these people to become self-sufficient and independent. THAT'LL LEARN'EM

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 23, 2021 8:53 AM  

, youtube and small children. First off, the kids started watching youtube when they didn't even know letters. They would match shapes their mothers had drawn to the keyboard. It was pretty much all the kids they knew. Kids have opinions, and what they want to watch is not really on television.

You don't remember 10 part random passwords. They don't know letters. They would match the shapes to the letters on the keyboard. Google has autocomplete. What was interesting is that autocomplete was, in their view, a reliable tool. When it didn't work the same from house to house, they would get a grownup to type in the name of the full thing they were looking for- and then they would check that it worked by backing out of youtube and going back to google and typing in the autocomplete letters they knew. It was using tools, same as a monkey. Just, tech tools. They did not want to ask for help repeatedly. They wanted their tools to work, even as toddlers.

Third off, youtube has a big section of children's videos. They have algorithms. Television 'algorithms' are at the mercy of programmers- adult- employed at the television stations- so Mickey Mouse clubhouse is not available to toddlers after, oh, 10 am. Most kids animated shows- turn off the sound. Every frame shows pain and fear or confusion. It is genuinely bizarre, and pre-literate kids navigate by faces. It's parents who keep turning on Mickey, and kids just learn to overlook the weirdness. My youngest ones did not have to learn this.FWIW, grownups, given tech and self-publishing, are buying books with no conflict in them, as well. It drives established writers and institutions nuts.

Fourth: Ryan, of Ryan's Toy Review- really is at kids level. Autistic kids watch him to learn how to play with other kids. They also think he's watching over them all the time, and that he's their best friend, and some other kind of stuff that I'm pretty sure some mass psychologists are using for nefarious purposes, but right now, he's pretty benign. Nice kid, no conflict, plays respectfully with his mom and dad and sisters and aunts. Most kids end up on Ryan's Toy review. The algorithm goes that way.

Fifth, creators know to work on the thumbnails. For whatever reason, sick people make bad thumbnails, or quality control gets them before they warp kids a la Dan Schneider. Dan Schneider made it past the television optimizers, and his shows are just weird. That whole smile rictus thing, I guess? Taylor Swift's later videos do not attract toddlers or girls. The ones that show faithfulness and love and bravery, those look 'right' to the kids, from the thumbnail.

Sixth, what shows up when the kids really work it, is mostly not American. I couldn't, and would not, find this stuff on my own. There's some kids show made by some people in Russia in a grim apartment building. They dress up in princess dresses. I have no idea who these people are. The show was charming. It was normal people in their apartment, not on a sound stage. Normal people can be immensely talented and underappreciated and not sponsored by established media.

There are counting songs, alphabet songs, color name songs, that are popular on youtube, so, like, a child will have ten different channels all singing about honesty or math, and they think it's pretty cool and might as well learn math, no fighting. My kids think being good at math is a cool kid skill. That is so opposite of American media!

When there is an alternative that offers all these things to children, I am sure parents will show up for it. Peanuts has videos. It has been profitable selling these, in any format, for 55 years. Calvin and Hobbes has one format-the strip and books- and those books sell out at Barnes and Noble every Christmas, for, what, three generations? There is a lot of room for new creations.

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