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Monday, June 07, 2021

They want you weak, small, and stupid

Now, only a complete madman - or more likely, madwoman - would voluntarily forgo eating meat in the first place, but it is downright evil to deny growing children the sustenance necessary for their full development. If a plant-based diet is inhibiting their height to this extent, imagine how much it is inhibiting their intellectual capacity.

Vegans cut out all animal products, including dairy, eggs and even honey. But there is little evidence on the potential damage this does to children's health.

Lead author Professor Jonathan Wells, from UCL, said: 'We know that people are increasingly being drawn to plant-based diets for several reasons, including promoting animal welfare and reducing our impact on the climate. 

'Indeed, a global shift towards plant-based diets is now recognised to be crucial for preventing climate breakdown, and we strongly support this effort.

'We also know that until now research into the health impact of these diets on children has been largely limited to assessments of height and weight and conducted only in vegetarian children. 

'Our study provides a substantial insight into the health outcomes in children following vegetarian and vegan diets.'

The new study looked at 187 healthy five to ten-year-olds in Poland. Of these, 63 children were vegetarians, 52 vegans and 72 omnivores.

Children on vegan diets were on average three centimetres shorter. They also had four to six per cent lower bone mineral content and were more than three times more likely to be deficient in vitamin B-12 than omnivores.

For lunch today, I'll be having pepper sausage and bufalo mozzerella, washed down by a good Spanish tempranillo. Just in case....


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Blogger The Observer June 07, 2021 6:08 AM  

Lead author Professor Jonathan Wells, from UCL, said: 'We know that people are increasingly being drawn to plant-based diets for several reasons, including promoting animal welfare and reducing our impact on the climate.

Selling holiness; all veganism boils down to is signaling superior holiness and status to lord it over the unwashed masses. Whether it be "uncleanliness", bloviating about not killing or ostensible concern for the climate, it's all about holiness. "Kill and eat" is what it is; all these people are doing are declaring themselves to be holier than God.

People used to pass their children through the flames to receive extra holiness, stunting their offspring is little cause for concern to them for those few extra points of social status.

They want you weak, small, and stupid

Yearning for the days of malnourished serfs whom the properly fed aristocrats towered over.

Blogger Doom June 07, 2021 6:08 AM  

I do count veganism and even vegetarianism as a form of religion. If I find out someone is even a vegetarian, I treat them the same as if I find out they are Scientologists. I completely disconnect. I used to watch a youtuber who was based around woodsmanship, and some other things. When I found out he had become vegan, I refused to visit his posts, to this day. Hmm, I think you know him.

Blogger Teleport me off this rock June 07, 2021 6:16 AM  

A diet lacking in meat has always been a sign of the most abject sort of poverty. Not surprising the most braindead but self-righteous among us would seize upon such a diet as a self-destructive virtue signal while paying ludicrous prices for products flaunting said virtue.

Won't be long until Brawndo is the latest vegan gimmick, possibly under a different name, but given the recent history of "soylent", probably not.

Blogger John Cunningham June 07, 2021 6:24 AM  

I loved the Simpsons' episode in which Lisa became a vegan and harangued the family to join her. Marge and Bart agreed, and finally Homer as well. Homer said he would still eat sausage. Lisa cried, oh Dad, that's from an animal. Homer replied, ok, I'll only eat bacon. Lisa cried, oh Dad, that's from the same animal. Homer drilled, a wonderful glorious animal...

Blogger Randomatos June 07, 2021 6:27 AM  

Don't you love how freely the dirt-worshipers lie?
- "Indeed, a global shift towards plant-based diets is now recognised to be crucial for preventing climate breakdown, and we strongly support this effort."
The combination of passive voice ("recognised to be crucial") with delusional hysteria ("preventing climate breakdown") is linguistical cancer. It's a pamphlet from the worlds wimpiest doomsday cult. "Soy-Boy" was far too kind a song for these limp-wristed weed-eaters.

Blogger basementhomebrewer June 07, 2021 6:27 AM  

As proof, in this very article, they have tips on eating a Vegan diet.

Blogger travvyboy June 07, 2021 6:34 AM  

I tried veganism for a number of years, many years ago. It left me so weak. I vow to consume flesh or some kind of animal product at least once a day.

Blogger Emmanuel June 07, 2021 6:34 AM  

I fully support veganism and veganism for children of vegan parents. I also support nofoodism for them . But veganism advocacy is like gun control advocacy : those would preach it don't preach for themselves; they want to impose it for everyone and trample your rights. It's OK to eat meat, and it's OK to hate vegans.

Blogger Akulkis June 07, 2021 6:34 AM  

>> 'Indeed, a global shift towards plant-based diets is now recognised to be crucial for preventing climate breakdown'


When predator animals eat their prey, it's just nature doing it's thing. When people eat animals, it's causing "climate breakdown."

Blogger qualitycontrol June 07, 2021 6:35 AM  

Anyone notices how vegan diets are aggressively promoted to white people? Call me a conspiracy theorist but this is by design.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 07, 2021 6:39 AM  

Yeah but our white liberals are so much smarter than the thousands of generations of examples of malnourished veg heads. When I say the white liberal managerial elite are the worst people on Earth I am not being a race cuck, they drive this lunacy.

Blogger George D. June 07, 2021 6:43 AM  

3 pork steaks, 1 and a half kilos rice with mushrooms of baked potatoes every day for lunch for me, thank you. And of course the dessert.

Blogger Opus June 07, 2021 6:45 AM  

I was born in the days of rationing; my little brother after rationing ended. He was two and a half inches taller than me (as an adult). I was also an inch shorter than my father. I always assumed the reason for my comparative lack of height was my more impoverished diet.

Blogger Daniele Grech Pereira June 07, 2021 6:53 AM  

Who would ever deny their child a pastrami with calabrese hot salami on rye with provolone? Especially if it were drizzled with a little olive oil, with a bit of salt and pepper. You certainly wouldn't deny your child this, if it were baked and delicious tasting. What is wrong with people?

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 07, 2021 6:57 AM  

Feeling carnivorous!

Blogger artensoll June 07, 2021 6:57 AM  

When I asked my wee one what they wanted for dinner yesterday, the reply was "Steak". Nuff said.

Blogger Elmer T. Jones June 07, 2021 6:58 AM  

My dear wife has gone vegan for health reason related to an auto-immune disorder. She still serves me meat every meal. We have found that filet mignon is a good value in terms of quality meat. Mackerel is also a great fish that you may not have appreciated, just bake it in the oven. Recently I stopped eating sugar as much as possible and she helped by quit baking cookies and cakes. With no packaged foods in the house I have no easy means to consume sugar, which is in everything packaged. I was already lean and in good shape but dropped an additional 10 lbs. I can really feel the difference in my overall health. Also I do a lazy-man's intermittent fasting by just not eating between 6pm and 10am. If there is one single thing you can do for your dietary health it would be to stop consuming sugar.

Blogger TMThinker June 07, 2021 6:59 AM  

Some people cannot digest meat, like me. I grew up eating all kinds of meat. My health broke down in my 30s, about 10 years ago, despite being very active and working out regularly. Nothing doctors prescribed did me any good.

I finally found some research about blood types and diet. I was so depressed, because mine dictated no land-based meat except chicken 1-3x/week, and turkey, same rule. I can have lots of ocean fish. The only cheeses I can safely digest are mozzarella, ricotta, and goat cheeses.

“Why couldn’t I have a blood type that demands meat with every meal?!?” was my cry, for months. Some people only thrive on a variety of meats and animal products. I was angered by reading the research. But nothing else worked so I gave it a shot.

I made the switch, with “cheat days”, where I’d have beef jerky, or cheddar nachos. I learned that all my problems really came from the eating of meat and dairy products.

I haven’t knowingly eaten beef, pork, or anything else with 4 legs for about 3 years now, but sometimes at family functions or restaurants I get something that tastes WAY TOO GOOD, and I ask and there’s bacon, or cheddar, or something in it. And of course a couple days later I’ll have a spate of bad digestion and fatigue.

I know my children are like me. I served them meats and whatnot, but my oldest child started getting the same symptoms I had before the age of 20 and chose to go mostly meatless like me, and a lot cleared up for her.

The argument isn’t a simple one. But one thing I know from life is: our Lord made a variety of people on this planet, and no one thing is benefits everyone, save Yeshua Messiah our Lord.

Blogger Scientific Manager June 07, 2021 7:03 AM  

The family had NY strip steak yesterday. Delicious.

Blogger Doktor Jeep June 07, 2021 7:04 AM  

Kids dont think of being vegans any more than they would think of changing sex.

But here again the moral dilemma. If idoots want to make their spawn smaller and weaker, if not incapable of reproduction, then they will be less capable of being dangerous idiots. Compare the deleterious genetics of today with the build of Stalin"s knuckledusters.
The best hope for the future of a deleterious dialating malnourished mutary would be drones. But they still need people with more than 2 brain cells to run together and can lift heavy objects to maintain a drone fleet.

What gets under my skin is how they just go ahead and Jew up the system to make meat more expensive than it needs to be. Another case of them never asking first before they screw us while "our side" does nothing out of fear of being kicked off Twatter.

Blogger Elmer T. Jones June 07, 2021 7:17 AM  

One more health tip and then I am out of here. Suspenders. Go ahead and laff. I started wearing them some time back and wish I had started 40 years ago. It's madness that we use our bladders to hold up our pants. Add your requisite EDC rig and chained biker wallet and you are hoisting a considerable amount of weight. You can see the effects of this in how men's guts conform, almost comically, to their belts. I know you guys are boomer-adverse here but I have learned a few things and could still kick most of your asses.

Blogger Long Live The West June 07, 2021 7:20 AM  

"The new study looked at 187 healthy five to ten-year-olds in Poland. Of these, 63 children were vegetarians, 52 vegans and 72 omnivores."

I wonder if the results would be a lot worse if they would have included unhealthy children.

Blogger xavier June 07, 2021 7:26 AM  

Plant based diets will aggravate global warming. Plants require a lot of land that never equal nutritional yields of meat.
A balanced diet is best.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau June 07, 2021 7:27 AM  

Kids in the child welfare system 100 years ago would suffer from ricketts and other vitamin deficiency diseases because all they were fed was oatmeal or wheat mush three times a day.

The Elites would just tell us serve today to take a vitamin.

Blogger Attila is my bro June 07, 2021 7:27 AM  

People always ate meat but only in the last 100 or so years became much taller than previously. I wonder how much of the height difference can be attributed to the garbage they inject into our food, or fed to our food. Certainly there's something to the American diet. In WWII Europeans looked at Americans as very tall, but by my limited observation are roughly equal today. Also, I've noticed that 2nd+ gen Asians in Empire America are much taller than their parents.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz June 07, 2021 7:28 AM  

"In Poland"??? Where?
Here it it the basic of the "Kotlet schabowy" it the basic of all food (think a schnitzel fried in its own fat). A swine, a cow any kind of grass eater can be "schabowy"
If my grandmother was alive "a vegan" would be on menu.

Blogger Ora Tevzre June 07, 2021 7:31 AM  

'Meat, ma'am, meat,' replied Bumble, with stern emphasis. 'You've over-fed him, ma'am. You've raised a artificial soul and spirit in him, ma'am unbecoming a person of his condition: as the board, Mrs. Sowerberry, who are practical philosophers, will tell you. What have paupers to do with soul or spirit? It's quite enough that we let 'em have live bodies. If you had kept the boy on gruel, ma'am, this would never have happened.'

-- Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist.

Blogger Bernard Korzeniewicz June 07, 2021 7:32 AM  

@TMThinker

Have you tried the brutal 42 all-green fasting?
https://ewadabrowska.pl/en/dieta-warzywno-owocowa/

Blogger Critias June 07, 2021 7:44 AM  

Do they still also say red meat is bad for health or has the narrative fully switched over to red meat is causing the earth to catch fire?

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/beef-over-red-meat-advice-reveals-medical-corruption/

Blogger T.L. Ciottoli June 07, 2021 7:46 AM  

I have been eating raw meats for over a year now. Will do so for the rest of my life. I have year-old liver in a jar in my fridge, I take a bite every few days. It tastes like sherry.

The same industrialists that want to force us all to take their drugs and chemicals are the ones who want us to eat their dead, poisonous industrial foods, so they fearmonger against raw milk, raw meats, raw eggs, raw dairy products, etc. The very same way they are now fearmongering against breathing, the air, and your neighbors, who they want you to consider as walking biohazards.

I would recommend watching the videos on the WildandRaw channel on Youtube and listening to what Aajonus Vonderplanitz had to say about food and nutrition. At least give it a chance, take a listen. Lots of testimonials there too.

These vegans are idiots.

Blogger Curlytop June 07, 2021 7:46 AM  

This was so clearly illustrated when I was a young mother and around women who leaned vegan or had bad pregnancy sickness. Women tend to shun meat due to the nausea and the reach for crackers makes the issue worse. I observed a lot of floppy headed babies at almost 3 months of age due to weak neck muscles.

I had severe pregnancy sickness yet still maintained eating as much protein as possible. Our children practically came out of the womb holding their heads up. So noticeable that the nurses commented on what strong babies they were.

Blogger Rocklea Marina June 07, 2021 8:03 AM  

Be sure to ask your vegan friend if they are atheist; they will be; then find out if they believe in evolution; they do; then inform them that humans evolved eating meat and your favourite meat is vegans. Cannibalism is the guilt free vegan alternative meat.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 07, 2021 8:04 AM  

Let's not harm the kids. The most right wing people I know are the black sheep of lefty families.

Americans, 1776, ate more meat than Europeans. They were also remarkably taller. It shows up in letters all the time. The literate fraction of the population was also higher than any other population up to that time. The revolution was not a disagreement among equals: the American everyman was better than the European everyman.

OTOH, with GMOS, factory farming of animals, all the dietary contortions sort of make sense. Young women are trying to avoid engineered poisons, almost by instinct. The green smoothies so popular in some places: the places all have heavy metal manufacturing. It's chelation therapy, more or less.

Blogger The Only Cigar in the Box June 07, 2021 8:16 AM  

Breakfast: 6 eggs, a couple sausage links, oatmeal
Lunch: Whey protein shake, tuna fish, salad
Dinner: Gniocchi with ground turkey

325 is not going to Bench Press itself

Blogger Owen June 07, 2021 8:17 AM  

What about eggs? From what I recall my wife at the time didn’t like garlic and strong odiferous spices during pregnancy but was okay with meat

Blogger John Rockwell June 07, 2021 8:18 AM  

And the meat plants got recently hacked. Whilst bugs get promoted. Coincidence?

Blogger Frozen Territory June 07, 2021 8:20 AM  

The only field of science with worse predictive power than nutrition science is vulcanology (or perhaps economics).
It's amazing how a reasonably balanced diet of minimally industrialized foods is never the answer to modern health issues.

Blogger CoffeeGroundsBear June 07, 2021 8:23 AM  

I’ve never heard of buffalo mozzarella but I want to try some now, it sounds incredible.

Blogger xevious2030 June 07, 2021 8:29 AM  

My kids are taught that anyone, anyone that promotes one size fits all diets, is too stupid to argue with or talk to about serious things. Especially with milk, given the genetic differences in ability to process. A teachable moment. One way we are not now like them, inside.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume June 07, 2021 8:41 AM  

@31

We had a similar experience with our twins, who were born 11 weeks premature and still weighed 6.5 lbs a piece and were both 21 inches long. They needed no intubation, which is usually a given that early. The NICU docs and nurses were amazed at how robust and healthy our premature twins were. One doctor theorized they were growing too large and were on track to be 9.5-10 lbs. apiece if they went full term. My wife ate meat every day and completely ignored all the other warnings about foods to avoid like peanuts.

To this day, at 13 years old, our kids rarely get sick and have no known allergies either. They're both quite athletic and play soccer year round. In fact, my son really enjoyed VD's recent post about playing the miss. Blew his mind because his coach has never mentioned anything like that. He can't wait to put it into practice.

Blogger cyrus83 June 07, 2021 8:48 AM  

Certain disorders aside, most people are able to digest meat, which is a strong hint from nature that people should eat meat.

It makes no logical sense whatever to propose that people eating animals is somehow harmful to nature. Every animal is going to die and its carcass is going to be eaten by something. And if man doesn't keep the animal population in check by slaughtering some of it for food, that will just cause the animal population to increase to the point where the same scientists will be arguing we do a mass cull of said animals - to "save the planet" as always.

Blogger The Observer June 07, 2021 8:58 AM  

Certain disorders aside, most people are able to digest meat, which is a strong hint from nature that people should eat meat.

I remember when the vegans were trumpeting nonsense like "there are 5 pounds of rotting meat in everyone's digestive system" and "gorillas that eat meat become unhealthier, while those that eat fruit became healthier".

Blogger Didas Kalos June 07, 2021 9:03 AM  

Here is an Anti-vegan farm example of sustainable farming. Making good use of your land.

https://www.polyfacefarms.com/

Blogger Steve Canyon June 07, 2021 9:09 AM  

My ancestors didn't fight their way to the top of the food chain for me to waste it eating only plants. I'm just honoring their legacy. Time for some deer jerky.

Blogger Doom June 07, 2021 9:19 AM  

Ariadne Umbrella wrote:Let's not harm the kids. The most right wing people I know are the black sheep of lefty families.

Americans, 1776, ate more meat than Europeans. They were also remarkably taller. It shows up in letters all the time. The literate fraction of the population was also higher than any other population up to that time. The revolution was not a disagreement among equals: the American everyman was better than the European everyman.

OTOH, with GMOS, factory farming of animals, all the dietary contortions sort of make sense. Young women are trying to avoid engineered poisons, almost by instinct. The green smoothies so popular in some places: the places all have heavy metal manufacturing. It's chelation therapy, more or less.


Ouch. I hadn't realized that exact dynamic until you painted the runway. Yep yep. I've actually been in several families. I... think I'm the only... well not democrat or worse. If too, I have given up the republican party, it's not any better. And never gave libertarianism a real shot, it didn't deserve one. Hmm... anyway.

Blogger SonyAD June 07, 2021 9:22 AM  

All part of the misanthropic, Malthusian satanic world order. They want everyone else but them dead or starving and deathly ill. The plan is for every one of us to eat bugs and maybe grass, if anything, live in a pod - while still allowed to live, own nothing and have nothing and be grateful for it. Certainly no meat or animal products for us. Cows are burning up the planet with their farts (literal argument). Maybe some 3d printed sewage slime 'meat'. Or, better yet, we should just stop breathing, we're burning up the planet with our exhaled breath.

Blogger Brett baker June 07, 2021 9:27 AM  

They didn't eat as much meat, though. It takes modern farming to produce a lot of relatively inexpensive meat.

Blogger Hylean June 07, 2021 9:42 AM  

We lived poor, but momma always made sure we at least had ground beef.

I'm having some fried chicken. I've fasted 56 hours. Let's do it!

Blogger Shimshon June 07, 2021 9:48 AM  

If you like your meat well done, you may as well be vegan.

Blogger Curlytop June 07, 2021 9:48 AM  

I did fine w eggs, not scrambled though til I got through the Super Smell stage. I craved red meat.

I had a nutritionist friend who gave me great counsel but I noticed a lot of women just wanted to grab what was easiest. Having little snacks btw meals to avoid the blood sugar drop, which is a factor in pregnancy sickness is key. It's why mornings typically are worst. I used to prepare a fruit/protein smoothie the night before in preparation to sip on it 1st thing

Blogger Crush Limbraw June 07, 2021 9:51 AM  

Every belief, when brought down to its essence, is religious - usually without knowledge and is opinion based without factual evidence.
When Augustine wrote about Christianity: "Faith comes by hearing, but understanding comes from knowledge and knowledge comes by sight." -
can you think of anything for which that statement does not apply?
When you consider that the ingrained presuppositions - which are formed from birth and over years - then govern every decision without further checking for accuracy or factual evidence.
Welcome to the world of baseless assumptions, often reinforced by habitual liars - and we wonder why we're in deep doodoo as a country and society.
We're all in a quest to feel superior, without earning our spurs and usually intellectually lazy. When you actually do achieve a certain level of knowledge based on evidence, you'll be accused of being arrogant for not suffering fools.
As a student of the Bible, I read where Paul said about the Jews: "They have zeal without knowledge." - and have become servants of Satan instead.
"Prove all things!" - can be applied to any part of our lives - yet, how many do?
About 20 years ago, almost by accident, I began my own 'journey of discovery' and am still discovering that most of what I thought was true was actually a freaking lie. And I mean almost everything - government, politics, religion, culture........
That's mighty humbling - but the journey continues.

Blogger Balkan Yankee June 07, 2021 9:52 AM  

"Yearning for the days of malnourished serfs whom the properly fed aristocrats towered over."

When the Mongols invaded China, they drove the Chinese civilians ahead of them, creating a massive wave of refugees that jammed the defender's ability to respond effectively.

The meat-fed Mongol warriors viewed the grain-fed Chinese as sheep and goats, little more than animals to be herded and slammed into town after town.

Blogger Derrick Bonsell June 07, 2021 9:57 AM  

It's also a myth, albeit one that's so damn entrenched that it's now a mainstream centrist viewpoint hawked even by the fake President.

Blogger MeneMene June 07, 2021 10:06 AM  

Meat is food; vegetables are medicine.

Blogger Ingemar June 07, 2021 10:25 AM  

It is clear that veganism is being sold now as atheism was in the nineteenth century: adopt this and be cool and hip unlike your normie peers.

When in reality it was a cynical ploy to lock them into a state of disability.

The Elite aren't atheists, but they sure as heck don't worship Jesus.

Blogger Akulkis June 07, 2021 10:30 AM  

>> You can see the effects of this in how men's guts conform, almost comically, to their belts.

Nevermind that such men are horrifically overweight from YEARS of eating waaaay too many starches, sugars, and other carbohydrates.

Blogger Canadian Warlord June 07, 2021 10:32 AM  

The recent findings from wildlife cameras should be giving ammunition against the vegan debate, funny how I haven't hear about them in relation to humans' diet. Like, no one's emptied a gazelle's stomach and analyzed it before???

Turns out Bambi's Mom has been caught running with her head along the ground to swallow ground fowl. Tough to imagine a small deer mouth disappearing a grouse, but the footage is there for all (interested) to see. I recently witnessed my first cannibalistic gopher - I guess leaving corpses around will attract predators so the dead animal's kin take a page from Michael in "Stranger in a Strange Land."

"Herbivore" should be replaced in natural studies, by "Predominately Herbivore."

Blogger VFM #7634 June 07, 2021 10:39 AM  

Example case: the country of India. Mostly vegetarians for religious reasons, and described by Steve Sailer as “one billion underachievers”.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 07, 2021 10:43 AM  

And India may be compared to China, which is notorious for considering just about every living thing to be food.

Blogger RC June 07, 2021 10:46 AM  

We raised finished, grass-fed cattle for over twenty years.

Pro tip: Find a local, small-scale meat processor, buy some roasts and steaks, then ask if they have organ meats. Most people, even people who care enough about good meat to hassle with non-retail channels, don't want the organ meat and they include beef heart as "organ" meat. It's very healthful and pretty tasty, even the liver, and especially heart meat in chili. You can oftentimes get some cheaply or even for free or for processing fees. Feed it to your dogs if you don't like it and watch them run. If acquired carefully, it's an inexpensive, fantastic protein. I'm sixty and still have nearly 19" biceps: beef and iron is a great combo.

Blogger By My Greybeard! June 07, 2021 10:47 AM  

Please:
I ask those here more knowledgeable in comparative Religions:

Didn't veganism in the US & Europe start with people who became Buddhists?

Slightly OT:
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I remember a couple decades ago, I was researching for a book on A History of Chinese Martial Arts, I found that the various Shao lin Temples were vegetarian — save one — where meat was freely eaten.

This state of affairs happened after an incident where the monks had, unasked, saved the kingdom wherein they resided. Defeating impossible odds of invaders.

After the monks drove the invaders off (at 6-to-1 odds!) the area's King sent a gift of the finest boar meat (along with all sorts of other meats in lesser quantities) that the kingdom possessed. By decree it was the same as the meat that graced the King's table!

The King sent enough to feed the temple and entire local population. Buddhism was unknown to him, no insult was meant.

Worse, from the Monk's POV, with the gift came a “sacred promise” to continue to send similar meat shipments every quarter year in perpetuity (the text translated somewhat like ‘...for as long as the Earth lasts...’). BTW: that King was as good as his word.

After two days of intense deliberation the Monks decided:
■ No insult was meant. I.e.,the King had no understanding of Sino-Buddhism; it was a genuine gift.

■ The monks had no hand in the slaughtering or initial preperation of the carcasses; therefore they had no culpability for the deaths of the animals.

■ Therefore the Monks weren't karmatically damaged for consuming the gift, (unless, of course, they could reanimate those animals butchered); however wasting the meat, allowing it to rot uneaten was a sin.

■ Refusing the meat would hurt the King's feelings, possibly insulting him. Not kind nor wise. Also, willingly insulting people was a sin!

■ Therefore, the least karmatically damaging act was to graciously accept and eat the gift, though it requires abandoning the vegetarian way. Also: since the World is an illusion, it made no difference eating/not eating dead carcasses.

Please forgive the length. I thought ppl might enjoy this example of abandoning vegetarianism.

Blogger Sicilian switchblade June 07, 2021 10:54 AM  

Veganism for the most part is a state of fasting, maybe good for a good cleanse and giving your internals a rest, but I can't see living healthy that way indefinitely.

Show me one civilization, hell, even one small tribe that successfully ate nothing but plants and made it. There aren't any.

It was a well known back in ancient times the slaves should be kept from eating meat to keep them weaker and more docile. Just like farm animals. Hearty enough to serve their masters weak enough to be corralled.

A vast majority of vegans are cultists married to some mother earth religion of sorts.

Take a look at these "healthy plant based lifestyles."

https://youtu.be/PJnPZgLHHWQ

Blogger Beardy Bear June 07, 2021 11:20 AM  

Welcomw to neuropathy.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel June 07, 2021 11:20 AM  

Meat is the principal source of Vitamin B12, and with deficiencies, you can have symptoms ranging from mild fatigue to paresthesia (numbness or tingling, usually in the extremities) to pancytopenia (low blood counts of everything) and in some extreme cases in the elderly (who often have less "intrinsic factor" and cut down on meat in favor of more prunes) dementia like symptoms can be produced.

And then there's the lectins in grains and phytoestrogens in soy...

Any imbecile should be able to look at their teeth and see the vestigial fangs.

Blogger Carlos Carrasco June 07, 2021 12:02 PM  

"Climate breakdown?" - I guess climate change hasn't proved alarmist enough.

Blogger Jack Amok June 07, 2021 12:27 PM  

Actually following any of the Climate Change believers suggestions for addressing the crisis of humanity's carbon footprint won't actually solve the problem and will in fact, only make it worse, because the problem only exists in their heads and trying to "fix" it will only strengthen their delusions.

The only sensible plan for addressing the problem is to reduce our carbon footprint one Climate Change believer at a time. Eventually we'll reach the breakeven point where there aren't enough believers left and the problem will be solved.

"Don't shoot the messenger" is bad advice when the messenger is lying.

Blogger Linden Arden June 07, 2021 12:33 PM  

This targets the elite so I am not sure if they are concerned about us being weak. We are weak enough with all of the fat people we have now in society. I think they actually believe that the vegan diet is healthier for the longevity of their own.

Blogger OneWingedShark June 07, 2021 12:35 PM  

The Observer wrote:Selling holiness; all veganism boils down to is signaling superior holiness and status to lord it over the unwashed masses.
This was an issue even in the early church; see Romans 14.

qualitycontrol wrote:Anyone notices how vegan diets are aggressively promoted to white people? Call me a conspiracy theorist but this is by design.
Of course, can't have that demographic able to do combat operations and logistics after they snap.

Daniele Grech Pereira wrote:Who would ever deny their child a pastrami with calabrese hot salami on rye with provolone? Especially if it were drizzled with a little olive oil, with a bit of salt and pepper. You certainly wouldn't deny your child this, if it were baked and delicious tasting. What is wrong with people?
This.

RC wrote:We raised finished, grass-fed cattle for over twenty years.

Pro tip: Find a local, small-scale meat processor, buy some roasts and steaks, then ask if they have organ meats. Most people, even people who care enough about good meat to hassle with non-retail channels, don't want the organ meat and they include beef heart as "organ" meat. It's very healthful and pretty tasty, even the liver, and especially heart meat in chili. You can oftentimes get some cheaply or even for free or for processing fees. Feed it to your dogs if you don't like it and watch them run. If acquired carefully, it's an inexpensive, fantastic protein. I'm sixty and still have nearly 19" biceps: beef and iron is a great combo.

Excellent tip.

Blogger GAHCindy June 07, 2021 12:41 PM  

"Anyone notices how vegan diets are aggressively promoted to white people? Call me a conspiracy theorist but this is by design."

There are a LOT of black vegans. So many that I think they're just as heavily targeted as whites. They want us all sick or dead, no matter the color.

Blogger Valar Addemmis June 07, 2021 12:44 PM  

qualitycontrol wrote:Anyone notices how vegan diets are aggressively promoted to white people? Call me a conspiracy theorist but this is by design.

It's actually been a bit of a scandal in the vegan world (or was before COVID, not sure now) that things were way "too white" and not "intersectional enough".

Blogger Unknown June 07, 2021 12:49 PM  

I heard an academic concept that made sense about this.
Every era allows a purity signal and without sexual purity, people sense their bodies are unclean and seek to purify them with 'clean eating'. It used to be 'clean living'; but that included the concept of 'sexual hygiene' i.e. not being a slut. Vegan forums claim they can help with herpes and other viral loads caused by STDs. No coincidence.
It's little known but herpes actually causes herpetic lesions in the brain, so this might explain the Left's odd behaviour and especially in America, with high rates.
It's also the diet of the priestly caste, penance for the sin of whiteness and being fertile? Look up vegan menopause videos on Youtube, women in their twenties are getting it. It's natural selection in action, more or less. They won't sterilise themselves surgically so they do it chemically and now by diet (nun's diet).

Blogger Reziac June 07, 2021 1:04 PM  

There was an interesting study done in Africa. They started with three groups of several hundred children who were reasonably well-nourished as the local diet went -- being more or less vegetarian by custom, and bordering on calorie deficient, but not starving and no obvious health deficits.

Each group was supplemented for several months with caloric-equal amounts of either meat, vegetable oil, or carbs, and IQ was tested before and after.

The results were stark. The oil and carbs groups showed little change; 2 or 3 points improvement at best. The meat group showed an average IQ improvement of ten points.

So, yeah. If you want your kids to be brain-damaged, feed them a vegetarian, or worse a vegan diet.

Blogger JohnR219 June 07, 2021 1:08 PM  

Tell your wife to go full carnivore for her autoimmune disorder.

Blogger Zander Stander June 07, 2021 1:16 PM  

The vegans and vegetarians outnumber the 'omnivores'? In Poland? Would they like to gaslight us into believing this was a random/representative sample? I call BS.

Blogger JohnR219 June 07, 2021 1:17 PM  

The largest consumers of rodenticides are crop farmers. They slaughter animals in the millions. Ask a vegan why they hate animals...

Blogger Unknown June 07, 2021 1:20 PM  

@33 I heard through the theatre grapevine the pedos want to use midgets and shorter immigrant height to justify why being attracted to stunted looking bodies (like women with boy hips and no breasts) is socially acceptable.

The British had martial, naval superiority after a huge dinner party cult in the late 1700s celebrating venison, ox tongue and other meats. The menus for supper clubs still exist. Kings too, veganism is peasant food for the middle class. Gladiators, as slaves, mostly lived on plants, when studied, and that's why most of them died. You need carbs only if you're working like a slave. Modern people eat like slaves but don't burn the carbs. Socialism to grain farmers is wrong.

Iodine may work with HGH, especially important for men and T-levels. Speculation. Does boost IQ though and a major factor in modern growth, nothing to do with education. Safer seafood from fridges.

Blogger Mamabear37 June 07, 2021 1:47 PM  

Our kids are the only healthy looking ones at our church. By that I mean, they're tall for their age, have clear complexions, and are not 40lbs overweight. We eat fresh in season fruit and veg, organic meats, eggs and milk we raise, and grains we grind ourselves. It shows in the frequency we as a family experience any illness as compared to everyone else we know.

Blogger The Last Roman June 07, 2021 1:47 PM  

They also want you to eat crickets. I guess that’s a type of “meat.”

Blogger Christina June 07, 2021 1:52 PM  

If vegans really cared about animal welfare, they'd never get a vacks. They kill thousands (tens of thousands) lab animals in the process of making one of those things, and not just rats. They test on dogs, cats, cows, different types of chimps, etc. I worked at a big pharma company for three years and I was amazed at the extent of animal testing but no pushback from animal rights groups. I love informing vegans about this part of the vacks dev process.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton June 07, 2021 2:03 PM  

Decades ago, at an SF con, I heard a joke to the effect that vegans were people so alienated that they took out citizenship in an extraterrestrial political entity. I regret not remembering the exact wording of that joke. Can any fan here help out?

Blogger Unknown June 07, 2021 2:49 PM  

@64 vit b12 deficiency literally shrinks the brain

Blogger Kevin Smith June 07, 2021 2:59 PM  

Vegan vaccine advocates -- characters from a nightmare. And they still believe they're staring down the barrel of a gun at Kent State.

Blogger Jack Morrow June 07, 2021 3:06 PM  

The Observer wrote:Selling holiness; all veganism boils down to is signaling superior holiness and status to lord it over the unwashed masses. Whether it be "uncleanliness", bloviating about not killing or ostensible concern for the climate, it's all about holiness. "Kill and eat" is what it is; all these people are doing are declaring themselves to be holier than God.

Indeed; you won't find God advocating animal rights or veganism in the Bible. In Exodus 12, He commanded the people of Israel to eat the Passover lamb; participation wasn't optional. In Leviticus 11, He listed animals and birds that were holy and unholy; these restrictions were for the people of Israel, and Gentile nations were never bound by them.

Jesus wasn't a vegetarian, and He ate fish and the Passover lamb. The last supper was a Passover meal. When He said that it wasn't what entered a man's stomach and came out of his body that made him "unclean" (Mark 7:18-19), He was effectively declaring all foods clean. The only dietary restrictions imposed on Gentile converts in Acts 15:20 were to refrain from eating food sacrificed to idols, animals that had been strangled, and blood.

Blogger eclecticme June 07, 2021 3:48 PM  

I am not vegan or vegetarian. I grew up eating meat as a garnish, kinda like Asian meat with vegetables or pasta. Maybe a roast on Sundays. Tuna and sardines.

I needed to lose weight and have been researching diet more. The science behind intermittent fasting or one meal a day is pretty sound IMO. Don't force your pancreas to pump out insulin any more than you have to. There is lots on youtube.

I find it easier to not eat than eat less, if that makes any sense. Anyone who had worked through lunch knows you do not collapse on your way home. Hunger pangs some then they go.

I now eat between around 2 PM and 5 PM. I have been slowly dropping weight.

NN Taleb wrote two things of interest on diet. He wondered if the Mediterranean diet effect was due in part to the fasting practices of people in region. He was Greek Orthodox. He also said he tried to not eat anything that did not exist during most of human evolution as his body was likely not adapted to handle that. Hold that thought.

Now there is a theory that seed oils and vegetable oils not common until 120 years ago might be responsible for many modern diseases. Lard, red meat, dairy,and saturated fats are better for you. Olive oil and coconut oil have been around a long time. Soybean oil and Crisco may be evil. Make your own salad dressing without industrial seed oils, common on many labels.

Gary Taubes wrote a good book (Why We Get Fat) on why carbs are bad for you. He said it was common knowledge that bread made you fat. This was discounted by modern 'science' as an old wives tale.

Blogger eclecticme June 07, 2021 4:07 PM  

If there is any interest in the seed oil is bad theory, there are some videos. The video below was mind blowing to me. How P&G and Crisco launched the American Heart Association.
https://youtu.be/Q2UnOryQiIY
Nina Teicholz - 'Vegetable Oils: The Unknown Story'



https://youtu.be/sGxc2nbV5ac
Omega-6 Apocalypse: 'Vegetable Oils' and Western Diseases by Dr Chris Knobbe

I found this. Human consumption, maybe in US?
https://i2.wp.com/roguehealthandfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/seed-oil-consumption.jpg

https://i1.wp.com/chriskresser.com/images/pufaconsumption.png

https://drcate.com/
https://drcate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/good-fats-and-bad-post-Dr-Cate-jan-2019.jpeg

https://youtu.be/1-1isEj2CSc
Poly Unsaturated Fat (PUFA) may be bad for you.
Olive oil is 78 pct monounsaturated, 8 polyunsaturated, 14 saturated.
Chicken fat is 47,22 31. I had no idea.
Turkey fat is 43, 23, 29. [from another site]
Beef fat is 44,4,52.
Soybean oil is 25,60,15. Many other seed oils are similar.
Coconut oil is 6, 2, 92/.
11:30 min in.
In 1930 PUFA grams per day was 15, 32 in 1981, 39 in 2005. Another third since then.

One guy said that Jesus, Mohammad, and Buddha all recommend fasting. Is that true?

Blogger L.Fairchild June 07, 2021 7:04 PM  

There's a big difference between observing what works for your body and eating accordingly, vs not eating honey simply because "it's not vegan". Veganism is a religion.

Blogger sammibandit June 07, 2021 9:55 PM  

I half come from an ethnicity of very tall people. I ate vegetarian and my brother ate meat, mostly pork. I went off meat around age 7. He's a full foot taller than me and 14 IQ points higher. I should have been a taller lady but I never could eat much meat. That's proof enough for me to cook meat at home for everyone else.

Blogger RonG June 08, 2021 12:47 AM  

Before the 1970's rapeseed oil was a poisonous industrial oil. Then they bred it to produce "healthy" canola "vegetable" oil. Then Monsanto produced a variety that is so resistant to Roundup pesticide that it becomes a weed in the fields of other crops. The modern oils are heavily processed using hexane and most are contaminated somewhat by that - hexane is also a gasoline additive and produced by refining crude oil.
Other than that I'm sure canola oil is perfectly healthy. It sounds so much better than a steak.

Blogger Harambe June 08, 2021 7:48 AM  

Our girl was born prematurely at 28 weeks. naturally she was tiny at 1.1kg (that's about 2.4 lbs). She had breastmilk in the NICU and along with continued breastfeeding, her diet has been high in red meat as soon as she was able to digest it. she's almost 3 years old now and she is in the top 1% of her age group length-wise as well as weight. And she's not fat, just properly proportioned for her height. as far as cognitive ability goes, she's above average and the pediatrician said only an expert would even be able to tell she was a preemie. And only by looking at the shape of her head. There's nothing about her size, health, or mental faculties that suggest she had a tough first six months on the outside.

I am firmly convicted of the fact that this is due to my wife breastfeeding her until today as well as our ketogenic + some extra carbs diet rich in red meat, chicken, and fish.

We know people with preemies from our time in the NICU who are having a lot of trouble with their kids because they're on formula and don't get as much meat as our child.

Blogger Harambe June 08, 2021 7:51 AM  

@88 You'd think the name RAPEseed would be the first indication it was bad for you

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 08, 2021 12:11 PM  

xevious2030 wrote:My kids are taught that anyone, anyone that promotes one size fits all diets, is too stupid to argue with or talk to about serious things. Especially with milk, given the genetic differences in ability to process. A teachable moment. One way we are not now like them, inside.

I used to love milk. Then I started getting sick drinking it at all. As in, one gulp and BARF. I missed milk and was bummed out. Then I read on LewRockwell about raw milk and figured if the govt hates it, it has to be good for me. (That's typical of the FDA and the food and medical industries)

Here in Indiana, it's illegal to sell milk for human consumption. You have to join a cow-co-op and buy part ownership and it's danged expensive and inconvenient.

Cool family at a local farmers market sells bottles raw milk... for feeding your pets.

I bought some and bought a bag of cookies and went to town. No gagging. No mucous in the back of my throat. No barfing. Just milky goodness.

The dairy industry makes milk into poison. The real stuff tastes better and is worth it at over 3X the cost but they send SWAT teams to stop people from selling it to voluntary buyers.

F this planet.

Blogger MichaelJMaier June 08, 2021 12:15 PM  

Purge your diet of HFCS, white flour, white sugar, the "healthy oils" and all hydrogenated oils. Those are barren filler posing as food.

Yes, it's a pain buying things that lack those ingredients but the flavor and satiation is well worth it. That crap doesn't even taste good and you notice that after purging them and going back to them later.

And the dividends of better health are very much worth it.

Blogger The Pitchfork Rebel June 09, 2021 12:03 AM  

"One guy said that Jesus, Mohammad, and Buddha all recommend fasting. Is that true?"

I've never seen a a non obese Bhudda, have you?

We know Christ actually fasted.

Blogger Akulkis June 09, 2021 10:33 AM  

>> "Climate breakdown?" - I guess climate change hasn't proved alarmist enough.

Yes. If we keep eating meat, the climate will destroy itself, like a badly worn engine throwing a connecting rod. And then we will have to tow the climate to a repair shop, or just take it to a junk yard and get a small pittance for it, and then buy a shiny, brand new climate, with a warranty and everything, with free oil changes included for the duration of the warranty.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella June 09, 2021 11:17 AM  

For auto-immune disorders, if female, try digestive enzymes at, like, double to quadruple the rate recommended on the bottle, with meals. Organic food had intestinal disruptors 'organically' derived from bugs sprayed on them. Non-organic crops had intestinal disruptors derived from chemicals sprayed on them. Everything 'health food' is basically trying to find the less- sprayed food crops.

Blogger eclecticme June 09, 2021 1:07 PM  

@88. RonG June 08, 2021 12:47 AM

Before the 1970's rapeseed oil was a poisonous industrial oil. Then they bred it to produce "healthy" canola "vegetable" oil. Then Monsanto produced a variety that is so resistant to Roundup pesticide that it becomes a weed in the fields of other crops. The modern oils are heavily processed using hexane and most are contaminated somewhat by that - hexane is also a gasoline additive and produced by refining crude oil.
Other than that I'm sure canola oil is perfectly healthy. It sounds so much better than a steak.


I see that canola oil is on the drkate bad oil list. I found the make up. IMO hexane is likely not the problem. It is just 6 single bonded carbon atoms in a row. Distilling off the hexane from the oil might cause harm from the heat?

https://drcate.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Screen-Shot-2020-05-19-at-9.44.26-AM-e1589895996894.png
https://canolagrowers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/English-Fat-Chart-2016_for-web.jpg
https://drcate.com/
https://drcate.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/good-fats-and-bad-post-Dr-Cate-jan-2019.jpeg

In MN, last time I checked, you could only buy raw milk if you picked it up on site.
I used to work for an obesity related company so I tend to sperg out on some food related issues. The seed/vegetable oil issue is of great interest to me.

Blogger Joel Godfrey June 10, 2021 9:05 AM  

Unless they can compare the children's stats to that of their parent's this is not a legit study. Were their parents on average shorter as well? If so then the children would be as well, on average. Say what you want, but this article didn't really state anything relevant to that issue. It is not science, and no I'm not a vegan or vegertrian.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants June 11, 2021 1:46 PM  

Everyone I know who has suto immune disorders does the opposite of vegan and gets better on full keto.
Not sure who would've suggest a vegan diet for AI disorders...

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